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France Rejects Hugo Chavez' Generous Offer To Mediate Libya Crisis

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Update: Libyan Rebel group rejects Venezuela peace proposal according to a report, as the Pentagon announces it remains cautious but not against Libya no-fly zone

Just headlines from AFP for now. Hpefully this should end the most embarrassing 12 hour period ever in which the dumbest news possible actually impacted the commodities market.

 

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Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:02 | 1015040 Racer
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This is precisely what this market is now.. they are seeing just how 'dumb' they can make the 'news' to move it where they want.... seems all they will have to do next is say...                         and it will go which ever way they want

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:11 | 1015074 nope-1004
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Monetary and fiscal policy are now "rumor-mill" policy.

The US gov't has no ammunition other than dumb ass rumors.  Just like the one the other day that Daffy was assassinated, with the aim of slowing the inflation in food, oil and PM's.  Pathetic.

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:12 | 1015093 SheepDog-One
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Theyre completely out of ammo, now resorting to overnite rumors to provide any 'volatility'. Most humorous one was a couple weeks ago when the US itself ran a story that Gadaffi had been shot and killed, but we cant verify our own rumor.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:19 | 1015142 Raynja
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the propaganda machine out of ammo? Lmao they have a thousand more charlie sheens to make sure no sheeple discuss anything of substance.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:24 | 1015165 SheepDog-One
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Well if people are stupid enough to be diverted by lowlife stars and silly rumors then they deserve what theyll soon get.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:03 | 1015324 knukles
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Lowlife stars and silly rumors?!?!?!
You mean Quckdaffy and Chevyz sitting together on the crazy train is not gonna get a peace accord when the rebels said "phooey" to the negotiated proposition?  What a bunch of low lifes, thinking sitting down for mature, reasonable, sane discussions with those two butt nuggets would be a waste of time?
Well, lemme tell you, everything was gonna work out just fine, fine I say, till the Frenchies got pissed that they'd not been invited to the table, let alone reject something they've got not a fucking thing to do with. 
Let them eat chapnigions and goose fat.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 14:09 | 1015625 karzai_luver
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Ha ha ha!!!

Chavev and Daffy, why it's almost the trinity only obamao is missing for  actung bono!

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:19 | 1015146 aheady
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Not to mention the glorious distraction factory - WAIT! - look over here - CHARLIE SHEEN. No, look over there - GAY BASHERS AT FUNERALS. Argue all week with your friends and coworkers! Self-righteous anger - YEY!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:23 | 1015161 aheady
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Sorry Raynja, posted at the same time.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:31 | 1015196 Cognitive Dissonance
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BTW girls and boys, Charlie Sheen has signed up for twitter. Now you can get full retard up to the minute on your cell hone or computer desktop.

Hurry.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:35 | 1015211 aheady
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Christ.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:15 | 1015396 High Plains Drifter
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Over a million followers too. Isn't it exciting?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:54 | 1015553 Rodent Freikorps
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There is just something about train wrecks...

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 14:17 | 1015648 karzai_luver
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Charlie is one of the few sane around these days.

The rest of you bitches are just scared to be anything off the reservation.

 

In this world why do you all go out of your way to ridicule one who says fuck you scum.

 

You should celeberate his every appeareance after all the polite society are just too cowardly to come out!

 

he he.

the only ones distracted seem to be you dudes, i have not thought about hin more than 5 seconds and then only to celebrate that he tells them to stick it slobs.

 

You recall my 6th grade days and the losers that huddled in the corner that were never picked for shit and just twittered over the studs on the field.

 

losers.........

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 15:23 | 1015981 chumbawamba
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I, for one, am a fan.

Go Charlie!

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:09 | 1015363 KawKaw
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Do you guys even realize that you sound like a bunch of lunatic conspiracy theory mullets?  I'm just as annoyed as the next guy that has ZH set as his home page about EVERYTHING going on...but com'on guys...who are the "they".

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:20 | 1015414 High Plains Drifter
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Sykes (laughing uncontrollably with his tobacco-stained mouth wide open): 'They'?...Caught you didn't they, eh? Tied a tin can to your tail. Let you in and waltz you out again. Ha, ha, ha. Oh my, what a bunch. Big, tough one, eh? Ha, ha, ha. Here you are, with a handful of holes, a thumb up your ass, and a big grin to pass the time of day with. They? Who the hell is they?

Who the hell are they?

http://www.filmsite.org/wildb2.html

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:03 | 1015043 slow_roast
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I love you Tyler

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:04 | 1015055 Cookie
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Hugo...what a man!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:07 | 1015057 pazmaker
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It appears Chavez proposal would leave Ghadafi in Power or at least share power and Frances exterior minister, alian Juppe  said France would not except any such plan.

http://www.globovision.com/news.php?nid=179874

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:58 | 1015569 Rodent Freikorps
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Why does France have anything to say about it? Are they imperialists, too?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:07 | 1015064 truont
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Chavez brokering a peace deal?  Who believes this?

Now the propaganda machine is just pissing on us and telling us it's raining.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:13 | 1015098 SheepDog-One
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No question about it. This is all now just stupid.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:59 | 1015311 breezer1
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bread and circuses. 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:40 | 1015492 carbonmutant
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Sometimes the old lines are the best.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:16 | 1015116 Oh regional Indian
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Why truont? Would it be more believable if Peace Prez Obama was brokering? or He's Gotta Go Hillary? 

It's all a joke. American foreign policy being the cruellest one of them all.

So yes, bring it on Hugo, propose soome peace.

I'd mistrust anything coming out of the speech-hole of a European nation or America first.

ORIhttp://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/on-outsourcing-and-its-ills/

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:19 | 1015144 SheepDog-One
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US media rumor machine is 100% unreliable I dont believe anything I see. While Libya bombs its own refineries and oil fields we're supposed to believe 'peace' is being brokered? All utter rubbish. Maybe they can trot out the rumor Ghadaffi is dead again.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:47 | 1015516 carbonmutant
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Oh, they apologized for the bombing. They weren't trying to kill anybody they were just trying to scare the protesters...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/835...

 

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:24 | 1015149 pazmaker
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ori your logic is flawed.  because American foreign policy is cruel that makes Hugo Chavez credible? or is this just another opportunity for you to spew forth your hatred of the Big Satan America?

Judge Hugo for Hugo and judge America for America don't compare the two.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:11 | 1015369 AnAnonymous
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How?

Chavez is very likely aware of the duplicity of the US and the West.

Very easy for him to offer a peace plan, even with the luxury of being workable, as Chavez knows that the plan will be rejected.

No matter how credible the plan is, if it does not meet the objectives of the US, the plan will be rejected.

Plain to understand.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:15 | 1015399 pazmaker
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....and that makes Chavez credible how?

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:19 | 1015412 AnAnonymous
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What do you mean by "it makes Chavez credible how?"

Credible on what? If you mean credible on the peace plan, I answered the question,  it seems.

If you ask how it makes Chavez credible on kicking a footie, that is another story.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:39 | 1015481 pazmaker
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Ori is implying that he trust Hugo more than something coming out of USA or Europe, thus he is implying that Hugo is more credible then Europe or USA.

so how is the  lack of something credible coming out of Europe or USA  make Hugo Chavez anymore credible as he seems to imply?

If not then why include the comparison instead of just speaking about Hugo and his own merits?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:57 | 1015573 AnAnonymous
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I answered to this point: because the plan will be rejected if it goes against the US and Europe's best interests.

Which relieves Chavez (or somebody else by the way) from the possibility of seeing any plan (including credible  plans)  that would go against the US/Europe best interests being accepted.

Chavez has a 'free' shot to call out the US/Europe. That makes him credible on this plan. Because he can afford the luxury of providing a credible plan.

US/Europe have to cover up for their best interests. They have to conceal behind humanitarian smoke.

For this specific event, chavez is more credible than the US/EU.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 14:38 | 1015765 Rick64
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Most people would agree that Chavez's ulterior motives are less sinister than the U.S.'s or Europe's.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 15:03 | 1015893 pazmaker
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maybe so Rick, but I would venture to say they are no less sinister.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:26 | 1015428 GoinFawr
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@paz

I do hope you're missing ORI and AnAn's points deliberately...

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:06 | 1015069 cdude
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Interesting tho' that the discrediting of said dumb news does not bring the market back to the pre-dumb news point. Rachet efffect.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:11 | 1015086 redpill
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lol Chavez.  Maybe they can get his buddy Sean Penn to help too.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:00 | 1015319 breezer1
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chavez is an american distraction even raul doesn't know about.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:13 | 1015094 djsmps
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But, wait. CNBC headline from a couple of minutes ago was:

Gaddafi Fights On; Chavez Says Peace Plan Accepted

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41883246

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:15 | 1015108 SheepDog-One
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LOL, re-propping-up the failed rumor which drives all market activity today. Gotta keep it ALIVE!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:15 | 1015119 Confused
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Don't look now, but its apparently the libyan rebels who are rejecting the plan....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/03/libyan-rebels-reject-hugo-ch...

 

What is going on? Is this all a bad joke? 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:22 | 1015158 SpeakerFTD
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No, they just had concerns about some of the Chavez-inspired peace terms, such as...

Qaddafi will remain in power

All protestors will be executed

Joseph Kennedy Jr. will visit

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:14 | 1015386 AnAnonymous
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All protestors will be executed

 

So you think that if Qadafi is overthrown, all people who sided with him, will be pardoned?

Qadafi is fighting an uprising fomented by Al Qaeda.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:43 | 1015502 SheepDog-One
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Al-Qaeda...OH you mean that group that was formed by the CIA in the 80's?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 14:02 | 1015594 AnAnonymous
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Yes, and it is operating in Libya to foment uprisings.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 14:46 | 1015794 karzai_luver
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you think daffy will pardon "his people" when they win?

Joke fail you forgot the sarc tags.

AL GUYDA is everywhere.

 

CHicken man he's everywhere he's everywhere.

 

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:33 | 1015206 alien-IQ
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"What is going on? Is this all a bad joke?"

in one word. Yes.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:14 | 1015105 John McCloy
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And just like the Gadaffi shot rumor the market will churn. Since we already headed already up here on the Dow we may as well hang around and see what happens right?

Im looking for a QE 3 rumor tomorrow heading into the weekend.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:17 | 1015124 SheepDog-One
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Sure, since all equity gains are provided pre market and no ones in equities anyway so no one to burn on a short, may as well just leave equities elevated.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:14 | 1015106 ziggy59
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...NEXT excuse needed for the markets to rally...

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:21 | 1015156 SheepDog-One
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Report just in- Ghadaffi going to Switzerland for facelift and lip collagen treatments....DOW pops 100.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:16 | 1015121 falak pema
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Alan Juppe is not 'MAM', the lady who got fired three days ago by Sarkozy, as French Foreign Minister, for a cock-up in handling Tunisian crisis. This lady's hubby, anther minor minister in french govt. was Q's buddy-buddy for many years according to articles in Le Nouvel Observateur, weekly journal. Big middle man, this guy, allegedly with MENA principals, notably Lord Khadaffi himself, who called him 'brother' in his heyday. So French say 'niet' to Chavez and this shows hard line is being taken in EU with lord of The Sands, well known Mafia casino in Las Vegas of Tripoli.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:19 | 1015131 williambanzai7
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Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:21 | 1015150 SheepDog-One
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BAHHH HA HA HAAAA stayin alive....stayin alive.....

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:21 | 1015159 falak pema
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Bud Abbott and Lou Castello of The Sands...Opening gala night...4 July 2011!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:42 | 1015249 jus_lite_reading
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LMAO! I love it that Daffy is wearing a cross!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:43 | 1015254 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sign them up.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:54 | 1015299 breezer1
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you are fucking hilarious bill.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:48 | 1015528 carbonmutant
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Damn Banzi, sometimes... LOL

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:22 | 1015157 Josh Randall
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The Bernak's Printing Press will keep the peace 'round here

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:24 | 1015166 Translational Lift
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Or dumbf@ck, commie Jo Kennedy

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:24 | 1015169 alien-IQ
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did the $DXY and EUR completely disconnect? WTF? $DXY up .25 from low...EUR/USD barely budging?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:25 | 1015172 Long-John-Silver
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Hugo needs some one to rent one of his Exiled Dictator villa. It's only 5 ounces of physical gold a week.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:27 | 1015175 east paris trader
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Latest trend -  when a major take down is about to happen, release the rumor.  Traders follow.  The manipulation has gotten so blatent that they need pr cover.  I'm sure JPM prefers "Hugo..." rather than "Blythe fucked the markets again..."

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:36 | 1015221 somethingelse
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This just in....The Castro Brothers to broker peace in Bahrain

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:39 | 1015228 buzzsaw99
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What makes him think the arab rebels are going to listen to a crazy latino in a funny hat?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:45 | 1015250 jesusonline
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Chavez brokering a peace deal?  Who believes this?

Now the propaganda machine is just pissing on us and telling us it's raining.

I think Gaddafi is one demented son of a gun. I don't have any positive bias toward Chavez either. However, i think this whole issue with Libya has taken on the same magnitude of disinformation just like there was during Wikileaks honeymoon. Wake up for fucks sake. People have totally lost their ability to think for themselves. It's pretty disgusting that Gaddafi has recruited those dudes from Niger, Chad, Somali and whatnot to mop up the uprising. However, show me the money. Show me at least a trace of those "thousands of casualties", airstrikes against crowds. At best you got bullshit like this: "Until now claims that Qaddafi was bombing his people were based on witnesses reports. Then yesterday an Al Jeers cameraman was just across the street from an airstrike on Brega. Skip to minute 1:35 to see the airstrike"

http://www.businessinsider.com/missile-strike-brega-video-2011-3 

Look at that. That justifies "regime change" because Gaddafi is "yet another Middle East petty dictator and people just want him to go and so on"? This is beyond hilarious. Get a grip of your MSM-programmed brains. And now US wants to establish a "no-fly zone" and getting its naval forces up close and personal to Libya. If you want to give me your "We care about Libyans and their freedoms!" and "Stop the genocide!" ban ki moon style crap - better eat it yourselves and see how it tastes in your mouth. The Navy is there because the US wants to bite some of that oil pie.

"Generous offer", my ass. Haha! What a joke, man. No, really, fuck Chavez and Gaddafi, but also screw this cynical bias, Tyler[s] - and you don't even try to hide it, you savor it! Way to go, Zerohedge.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:08 | 1015353 pazmaker
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jeshua online... your are right in simple terms,  "it's about the oil stupid" (not calling you stupid saying in general terms).  No one seem to care about this egomainical bafoon when oil was flowing freely. So it is not democracy the west is concern about it is keeping regimes in place that can be controlled.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:47 | 1015268 Abitdodgie
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Changing subject a moment I am having a problem with my computer because I just went to the US Mint web site and they are charging from $44.95 to $54.95 for 1 oz silver Eagle, They must be special, that's right they are they are made of silver (hopefully).

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:46 | 1015269 Milton Waddams
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This just in ... stock prices are trading higher on rumors of stock prices trading higher.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:48 | 1015274 Mesquite
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The Great Global Soap Opera...

Sad there is so much collateral damage tho...

(God Bless Patriots everywhere..)

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:52 | 1015290 Atomizer
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I can envision Hillary's reaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U68s4JI22Zk

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:15 | 1015394 sulfur
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oh wonder oh wonder who would have thought they would turn it down...i bet tptb

are burning to march into lybia and take their oil...just a matter of time

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:45 | 1015508 SheepDog-One
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Bummer for TPTB that Libya is bombing their refineries and oil fields as we speak.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 14:19 | 1015671 ziggy59
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nah, hopium only gets one higher, its the no crashing drug

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 15:13 | 1015929 thetruthhurtsthefed
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is it possible that the rebel group is funded/run/operated by US interests?  Hence the declined offer.........

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