Fraud Caused the 1930s Depression and the Current Financial Crisis

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Mon, 11/01/2010 - 04:56 | 690047 David Merrill
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The remedy was written into §16 of the Fed Act and codified at Title 12 USC §411 - redeem lawful money. Of course that cannot be done at this time because of the Bretton Woods Agreements but the law reads:

"They (FRNs) shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand..."

So you make your demand. The bank tellers will not stand in your way. They will not distinguish your signing your demand (non-endorsement) from a traditional endorsement either. So what? You keep a copy of your demand.



David Merrill.



Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:59 | 688536 Unlawful Justice
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Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:08 | 688477 CYBERTOOTH
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Ron Paul tells it like it is, so that's not completely true.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:30 | 688503 unum mountaineer
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I found this quite interesting...


true blood, new blood...its of little consequence..this is the perversion of our election cycle to a "T". IMHO this is the catalyst for a loss of confidence in government and (fill in the blank)...

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 20:44 | 688456 tony bonn
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the main difference between this crash and that of 1929 is that a few good men like pecora good be found who would tear down corruption and call crap on crap....we do not have that now - especially of pelosi and reid....republicans are no better....

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 20:41 | 688453 gwar5
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So where does the fraud play out from here?

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:04 | 688469 Unlawful Justice
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Total destruction of the middle class American.  FEMA camps for all those who "can't take care of them selves"   New world gumberment and and new world currency.  All according to plan.  If you really want to read it for your self read "The Creature from Jekyll Island".(non-fiction)  Chapter 24-25 If you want to see the right now possible out come.    Most people will find it to difficult to read.  The truth is brutal, thus our infinity for the lie.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:46 | 688321 TheMonetaryRed
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There's a simple fact about market economies that EVERYONE on this site needs to learn from William K. Black: Laissez Faire Capitalism Favors Fraudsters - NOT BY DESIGN, but inevitably. Market participants who cheat will always have a lower cost basis than market participants who don't cheat. 

What can you do about it? 

Stop letting people who have economic power put their thumb on the scale. A lot of you think that merely bringing in a gold standard and pushing out the government will fix everything. The entire world history of banking says different. What's needed is smart governance, not no governance. 

The impulse to demand "good collateral" is a righteous one, but you can't be naive. There just are no easy answers. No governance means a paradise for fraudsters. 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:21 | 688492 unum mountaineer
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yip yip yipes!! you mean I should critically think and ask questions at every turn? Even if I "think" I know the answers? ....pppppffffttt..nah, no yet..more kool aid please!!! :-)

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:20 | 688490 slimfinger
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You're right that they're waking up.  Like, for instance, pointing out the way people forge pretty statements such as yours by sneaking inaccuracies into them, such as the implication that your audience supports the idea of "no governance".

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:16 | 688486 Rollerball
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What can you do about it? 

Just say no, that's what.  Stop tithing the loan shark and starve the beast.  Financial Darwinian-ism is not the evolution of moral intelligence.  It's retains conscription.  

Let's imagine a culture without "money" (by studying previous "trinket-less" tribes).  Nothing is traded/exchanged but the fruits of labor.  No ownership.  None.  No ownership = no owners.  Period.  

Usury (ownership) of any exchange medium provides only inflation of misallocation.  Adding -1 to +10 is not synergy.  It's sympathy for the devil.  

Money is nothing more than the CON-tract of CON-script-ors (debt instruments).  To find real treasure, put gold back to the ground.  There is no store of value in a futureless "society". 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:58 | 688279 knukles
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Don't that one picture look familiar?  Was he on CNBS the other morning?

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:49 | 688273 Mark Noonan
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Sure there was fraud surrounding the 1929 crash - and our recent replay.  But why fault banksters and bureaucrats for the particular bits of idiocy which triggered the immediate problem when the real fraud is the fact that we don't have real money?  As long as our currency is backed by nothing, fraud will be inherent in the system.  Nothing we do to fix the problem will really fix it until you can turn in paper currency for silver and gold.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 21:01 | 688470 slimfinger
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Exactly.  But the fiat system is in place for exactly that reason.  The government and banks will never give that up, because it is how they stay rich - by literally stealing from you and I while having the masses believing it is for their own good.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:47 | 688324 TheMonetaryRed
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Silver and gold money did nothing to stop hundreds of years of financial fraud. 

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 01:41 | 688704 Mark Noonan
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Slimfinger mostly answered your issue, but I'd like to clarify a bit.  Going to gold won't elminate fraud because there will always be people who want to get over on others.  But a fiat-based monetary system makes fraud not just a thing to deal with but, instead, makes it a de-facto requirement.

Of course, it doesn't really have to be a gold-backed currency...but it must be a currency backed by something of tangible value not subject to government manipulation.  The United States government owns many millions of acres of valuable land which could also be part of a basket of things used to provide value to the currency.  The key is to make it so that a dollar earned in 2010 is worth a dollar in 2110.  Currency must retain its value over time in order to have an investment and banking system which is based upon reality, rather than upon guesses about where "the market" will go over time.

Right now, "investment" tends to mean one of two things:

1.  How do I protect the real value of what I currently own?

2.  Is there anyway I can play these market variations to screw somebody out of their real wealth, thus increasing my pile?

Real investment would be someone taking a look at a company - established or start-up - and deciding that the thing is such a good wealth generator that they want a part of it.  I believe if we go back to a gold currency, that is what we'll have, again.  And while fraud will exist, it won't be built in.  It'll just be a hazard because there will always be dishonest people. 

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 02:27 | 688724 slimfinger
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It is amazing how the correct answers and solutions are nearly always the simplest.

You will no doubt be mocked for your lucidity.

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 02:19 | 688501 slimfinger
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Notice that he said "until you can turn in paper currency for silver and gold".  Within a fractional reserve system, you cannot do this.  Simply promising gold isn't the same as actually delivering it.

Notice that he also did not say that it would stop fraud.  What he said was that "nothing we do to fix the problem will really fix it until you can turn in paper currency for silver and gold".

It is inaccurate to say that silver and gold money "did nothing" to stop fraud.  It would have been accurate and fruitful to discussion to say that there were still problems with fraud when we were under such a system, and then to detail the reasons.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:48 | 688271 mt paul
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the new change 

you can't believe in ..

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:43 | 688266 Fred Hayek
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Aren't we all just a little tired of the conflation of the stock market with the (much) larger economy?  Yes, there was a lot of fraud in the late 20's stock market.  But it likely would have been a bubble of nearly the same proportions without any fraud.  The fraud simply took some money from people wanting to profit from the bubble and gave it to some con artists instead of having it go into the stock market.  You can even argue that some money being misdirected into the pockets of con artists instead of the stock market caused some very minor cooling rather than further overheating of the market.

As for the wildly over praised Pecora Commission, it put only one guy in jail, a schemer who ripped off some of the big money guys.  No one who ripped off small investors got so much as a minute in jail as a result of the Pecora Commission.


Sat, 10/30/2010 - 19:01 | 688350 TheMonetaryRed
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there was a lot of fraud in the late 20's stock market.  But it likely would have been a bubble of nearly the same proportions without any fraud.  The fraud simply took some money from people wanting to profit from the bubble and gave it to some con artists instead of having it go into the stock market.  You can even argue that some money being misdirected into the pockets of con artists instead of the stock market caused some very minor cooling rather than further overheating of the market.

I'm sorry, but the above is theology, not economics. 

First, the author has forgotten about the enormous amount of real estate and banking fraud in the 20's that began the waves of bank failures. Second, the author has apparently forgotten his von Mises and has reduced subjectivism to a silliness.

Where do you rank fraud in your goods basket? You see the problem? You exchange at a price of what you think the fraud is worth, but what you get is less than nothing.

Fraud uses subjectivism to pervert and undermine the price system. That's what fraud is - the process of using subjective assessments of value to pervert the price system. 

This naive notion of subjectivism is why simplistic, doctrinaire, Austrian theo-nomics has so little real-world value.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:42 | 688264 Bill Lumbergh
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Sadly we never learn from history and in another 70 years or so there will likely be a similar fiasco brewing.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:56 | 688277 knukles
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Ain't revisionist history neat?

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:04 | 688227 Unlawful Justice
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The FEDERAL RESERVE is congress no limit credit card and they don't want to give it up.  The American tax payer pays the interest on the "loan" from the Federal Reserve in taxes and inflation.  The principle of the loan will NEVER be paid!.  Congress will not stop spending money they don't have.  Their addicted!  Any man is corruptible given the opportunity to take care of himself, and sell everyone else down the river.  

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 16:37 | 688207 David Merrill
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The history of which you speak is the highly compressed information infrastructure. Without carefully regulated release valves, like Title 12 USC §411 available to the layman, it will just build up until it implodes.


Sat, 10/30/2010 - 22:32 | 688574 David Merrill
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By way of explanation, the links show that the Subprime Mortgage Crisis (Global Financial Crisis) began August 13th, 2007 which was the date on the Request.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 16:00 | 688180 lynnybee
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FRAUD, just come right out & say it, FRAUD = FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM .    I'm fighting back like I've never fought back = I'm ONLY PURCHASING METAL & FOODSTUFFS ........... THE REST CAN JUST ROT ON THE STORE SHELVES FOR ALL I CARE.    Criminals have messed up what little is left of my life & my kids lives, it's time to get off the grid & spend as little as possible supporting this system.    Good luck government, good luck FED ........ what little I have anymore is mine & you're NOT draining it out ........ if it's not in the bank, you won't get it = METAL.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:57 | 688179 umop episdn
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Has anyone gone to jail yet for bankster fraud? Even a very obvious offender (Mozillo) has had to pay back only 50 mil or so of his own money, when the take was much much larger than that. The rule of law in the US is broken, and this will become more and more obvious to the population in general. Welcome to Scamerica! 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:05 | 688230 Hansel
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I agree that the rule of law has disappeared.  Fraud is everywhere and the official shtick out of the PTB doesn't mention it.  It seems that property rights have disappeared, that you have a mortgage or deed to your house if the banks tell the government you do.  And because D.C. is filled with spendthrifts and because we just have to keep bailing out the banks, our taxes will have to go up to pay for it.  What isn't taxed directly is taxed via inflation by Ben F'n Bernanke with his $1+ trillion QE schemes.  This banana republic sucks.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:32 | 688301 razorthin
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Let he who is without sin... The only virtue that man seems to have left is an aversion to overt hipocrisy.  At least where it would hit his own wallet.  Which of course makes it unvirtuous anyway. 

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 16:51 | 688217 linrom
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Actually Mozilo pays only a small fraction of the $60 million settlement: Countrywide Financial will pay $50 out that.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 17:55 | 688275 knukles
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No, Countrywide will only pay a deductible.  The rest (like just about the whole shebang, for all intents and purposes) will be paid by Countrywide's D&O and E&O carrier.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 23:57 | 688634 williambanzai7
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Which is AIG...

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:55 | 688178 surfsup
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Great article btw.  And again, its why Glass Steagall was put in place originally.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:53 | 688174 surfsup
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An idea for an article for you George:  The Trickle Down of a debt based banking system which induces various fraudulent practices as more and more people are having to do double time on the traceious rhodensia just to keep up.  If there is ever more debt than hard money in the system the disequilibrium will show up all through out the playing field as form of greed inducement.   Gresham's Law applies as well...'s_law

Where can I apply to be able to post pics?   ty

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 14:12 | 688064 vy100
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I guess GW finally ran out of "end of the world" scenarios from the Gulf Spill so now it's time to switch to the next "doom and gloom"... Come on ZH- let's get back to the basics that made this blog great in the first place- unbiased reporting of facts not opinionated BS from ever growing list of "experts"...

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 18:20 | 688290 razorthin
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is that you, Leo?

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 14:06 | 688055 pitz
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Allowing H1-B guest workers into the United States to displace its best and brightest tech workers, and suppress the wages of tech workers across the board, is largely responsible for the current mess.

Fraud and perjury is rampant in the contemporary immigration system. 

Sun, 10/31/2010 - 09:04 | 688813 Kiss My Iceland...
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You are a complete idiot.

No "bright" American tech workers are displaced by H-1B immigrants.

I work at a company where the majority of tech workers, myself included, entered the US under H-1B status.

H-1B immigrant workers are not "cheap" replacements of American tech workers. We are paid the prevailing wage. I make much more money than the average American and I believe my employer is happy to have me.

It is in fact more expensive for a company to hire immigrants than to hire Americans, given the costs involved with H-1B processing.

The fact is there are just not enough talented tech workers to go around.

No fraud here. Move along.

(And note, it is H-1B, not H1-B).

Fri, 11/05/2010 - 22:08 | 704309 pitz
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You're full of shit, Sir.    H1-B displacement of US workers at all skill levels has been absolutely rampant.  The concept of "prevailing wage" is a complete fraud.  And H1-B or not, you better be making more money than an "average" US worker because you're working in quite an above-average job.  (and chances are, if you're a H1-B, you live in a high-cost area...which skews the wage upwards anyways!)

The rest of your claims are complete and unadulterated bullshit.  Even MIT CS grads can't find jobs because of the H1-B program.  And I really don't give a fuck about the proper spelling; you obviously know what I'm talking about, you piece of H1-B Indian shit.

Sat, 10/30/2010 - 16:37 | 688208 Dr_Dazed
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"Allowing H1-B guest workers into the United States to displace its best and brightest tech workers, and suppress the wages of tech workers across the board"


Arguably, but you follow with:


"is largely responsible for the current mess."


Just what current mess is a logical consequence of the HB-1 visas?  Your inability to get a tech job?  I'd suggest that it's more likely that your lack of a job is a consequence of your inability to formulate a logical statement - a fatal flaw in many tech oriented positions.

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