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Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:17 | 434085 Yes We Can. But...
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No budget = pitchfork time.

Somehow, the 'event' will be scheduled, and I'll be there.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:22 | 434112 Pladizow
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The only way any American will get off their fat ass and do anything is if you threaten their food supply.

Until then, NOTHING will be done!

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:31 | 434126 Xibalba
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At first I laughed....but the somber reality of your statement brought me down...quickly. 

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:40 | 434146 Temporalist
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How do people on welfare get so fat?  I don't get it.  Even as a kid I remember reading an article about a family of 11 all on welfare and in the group picture they were all enormous but for one maybe.

I just saw a 10 year old kid with a belly hanging over his pants like he was a 40 year old man that had stopped excercising in his teens.

I literally was thinking almost the exact same thing as what you posted Plad.  When the poor stop stuffing their faces because they no longer can maybe things will change.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:46 | 434158 Yes We Can. But...
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You can easily get fat on 4 bucks a day at the dollar store.

Big bag of pork rinds

Big bag of chips or popcorn

Pack of mystery meat

Gallon sized off-brand soda.

All the fat, sugar and salt you could want.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:58 | 434190 Problem Is
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The Four Amerikan Food Groups
Sugar, Saturated Fat, Alcohol, Preservatives....

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:10 | 434227 Ripped Chunk
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Excellent!  However, you left out the most favored delicacy: Propaganda, in massive dosages thank you.

 

Idiot sheep to the skull crushing slaughter.  Fun!

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 18:08 | 434431 nuinut
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Propaganda is free, at least nominally.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:59 | 434191 Ragnar D
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Here in Crook County (Chitcago), where the dependent Entitlement class is about all that's left, as an individual you can get $500 in food stamps every month.

As one of the suckers still working for a living, I don't spend half that on myself.

 

I remember reading an article about the discount food stamps traded at--they were being sold at 50 or so cents on the dollar in Aldi parking lots, etc.  Here, apparently the market is so flooded they go at more like .25-.30 cents on the dollar.

Nothing like going to the store at the right time of the month, and while you're looking at sale tags, watch people walking by with shopping cards absolutely loaded with steaks and nothing else.  Just like gov't budgets--gotta burn through the excess before the deadline.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:58 | 434320 nedwardkelly
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Are you for real?

"Here in Crook County (Chitcago), where the dependent Entitlement class is about all that's left, as an individual you can get $500 in food stamps every month."

I nearly choked on my drink (not purchased with food stamps) when I read that. Seems crazy high. I did some googling and found this:

http://www.snap-step1.usda.gov/fns/

Which told me a couple with no money, no income etc could get about $360 a month. Even that seems high... Call me cold hearted, but food stamps should be enough for you to no frills feed yourself, especially when the program is called "Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program". $360 would buy a lot of rice and beans...

 

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 00:00 | 434799 Mad Max
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This is incredible... we spend only about $500/mo for our family of four, and we eat very, very well (in my opinion)...  I lived in Chicago about a decade ago, and with any modest effort you could buy good groceries at prices only slightly higher than in the burbs.  $360 would go a very, very long way for two people.

Incredible.

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 05:52 | 435076 Popo
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It's already a no-brainer to stop paying your mortgage. 

The next no-brainer will be to quit your job too...

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 08:10 | 435142 Rider
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+1

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:06 | 434203 Gully Foyle
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The reality is people get fat because of leisure time. You have increased leisure time because we are a successful species which does not require burning calories for physical survival. No hunting, no gathering.

Stop blaming welfare for every goddamned social woe in the country.

That is merely ignorant class phobia.

It is like saying all day traders and business types are little dicked faggy bitches who get in slap fights because of too many appletini's.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 17:05 | 434328 tmosley
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Everyone is fat, but the poor are especially fat.  You can't deny that the poor suffer from a much greater rate of obesity than the middle class.  Welfare is a major contributor to that problem.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 17:05 | 434330 ColonelCooper
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I junked you for your rant.  I give you +1 for the little dicked appletini part.  It's a wash.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 18:15 | 434444 Ripped Chunk
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Gully, you are continuously disrespected here. Move on.

I here that the demand for cabana boys in the Hamptons is phenominal this summer.

This will complete your destiny

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:06 | 434213 What a mess_man
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I used to question this as well.  But then I came to realize its expensive to eat healthy - fresh ingredients cost more, and then you have the work of cooking it up on your kitchen with all associated costs to stock a kitchen.  This versus 'fast food' - fast, easily and quickly accessible but with very little redeeming nutritional value.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:13 | 434231 Apostate
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Bullshit. Little is cheaper than fresh vegetables. Prepped food is much more expensive.

You can buy fresh stuff and even hire a domestic to prepare it for you for less than you'd pay for prepped and processed food. 

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 17:13 | 434348 tmosley
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Yeah, I don't think you actually ran the numbers on that.

I cut my food bill in half by going from 100% fresh, hand-prepared food to 90% prepackaged meals (Hormel Compleats, if you must know), with 10% being fruit, nuts, yogurt, and the occasional salad.  My monthly food expenditure was cut in half.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 17:18 | 434359 Ragnarok
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I'm with Apostate, If you don't buy bell peppers vegetables are extremely cheap.  Cucumbers, celery, mushroom, onions, garlic, lettuce, potatoes are all cheap.  Meat can be expensive, but just stick to dark chicken and pork to save money.  Bread, pennies.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 23:16 | 434741 ColonelCooper
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Maybe I get sticker shock because I only buy produce when I'm shopping something specialty, or short on something (usually fresh greens) till the garden comes in.  Produce IMO is asininely expensive.

BUT, anybody who says they can eat pre-prepared foods more cheaply, really isn't running the numbers on how far a whole roasting chicken and a pound of rice can go.

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 01:13 | 434883 Crummy
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I find this really depends on location. Most low cost prepared food is loaded with the cheaper high-fructose corn syrups and high sodium. Low cost staple foods like potatoes and corn aren't exactly diet food.

Also, I think we can all agree that if there's one thing that the government ever did right, it was cheese.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:37 | 434242 Yes We Can. But...
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I think it is slightly more expensive to eat healthy than to eat-to-obesity, but still very cheap.  Ten bucks a day gets you fresh, self-prepared, healthy, delicious full dietary needs.    For example, at my local budget-priced, Korean run Hispanic grocery, fresh whole skinless chicken breast is $2 somthin, $1.59 for big head o broccoli, $1.99 for a huge pineapple, $1.99 for a box of cereal, etc. - you're stuffed.

$4/day at the dollar store, you're swine

$10/day or less at the immigrant grocery, you're healthy

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 18:25 | 434461 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Wrong!  Wrong wrong wrong!  Here, ok...hear this.....

Organic foods have twice the amount of vitamins and minerals.  Ok we are going to do some easy math, get your children, gather around.....organic food does cost twice as much (nominally), so what's cheaper?

Ahem......ok here, a problem.  I go to an organic market, I buy an apple for one doelarr.  You go to SAFEway and buy an apple that had gasoline poured on it (we will get to that in a minute).  Your apple is fifty cents.  Ok, but it costs you twice as much to get the nutrition I do!  And your body must work harder to metabolize it because there is more food (never mind the gasoline).  Ok, so you buy two apples to get at my nutrition level.  So how much was it?

Why is the un organic apple cheaper anyway?  Because it uses petro chemicals (fertilizers and pesticides) to do the work, and oil is still cheap.  But when oil comes onto its backside of production, which it will soon, not only will the petro-chemicals become more expensive, it will cost more to ship them.  Apples from Soth America?  Good luck! 

So, there are the points, questions?

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 21:04 | 434533 Fred Hayek
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Um, do you have any independent source to corroborate anything approaching your claim that organic food has "twice as much" nutritional value as regular supermarket food?

And, one of the things that most people don't realize is that pesticides are used on farms that grow "organic" food.  They're just not the modern ones. 

Oh, and organic food is much much more likely to be rife with E Coli bacteria.  And it requires more land area to get the same yield.

Penn and Teller did a great takedown of organic foods and the near religious devotion to them of certain people.  Here's a link to part 1 of 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4hx6ZjB8Jo&feature=related

 

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 01:54 | 436106 faustian bargain
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You can read Steve Solomon's Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food in Hard Times which contains many pointers to sources attesting to the superior quality of well-fertilized home-grown produce. I won't say 'organic' per se, since he doesn't preach a strictly organic method, but indeed supermarket produce is generally much less nutritious than food used to be before the ground was depleted of nutrients and expeditious methods of growing mass quantities of food (at the expense of quality) were developed.

Vegetables only contain the nutrients available from the soil, water, and amendments given to it. Small farms that pay attention to this will produce more nutritious vegetables, generally for higher cost because the higher quality fertilizer is more expensive.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 22:57 | 434715 ColonelCooper
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Well, you're sorta right.  In principle anyway.  FWIW from a country boy who still lives in farm country and grows basically all his vegetables (because I know they're better for me, and they taste better):

The originally well intentioned "organic" food industry has turned into the most crooked, corrupt, skirt the rules, BS scam you can imagine.  For the most part the food is handled better than your Walmart produce, but the average wool sock, Birkenstock wearing NYC dreadlock wearer is not buying what he/she/it thinks he/she/it is.

If you don't know exactly where your "organic" food is coming from... Don't spend any extra money on it.  Might as well buy GLD. 

 

P.S. When it comes to your meat, might wanna read the fine print in the definition of "free range", and what qualifies as "organic feed".   Enjoy your poultry/beef plated tungsten.

 

 

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 06:13 | 435079 Popo
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Organic?  LOLz at your rich, clueless, whiteboy ideas.  Totally unsustainable bullshit that will cause mass starvation around the world if implemented on a policy level.  The fact that you honestly believe that organic food has on average "twice the nutritional value" just shows how deeply indoctrinated into the cult you are.  Organic is basically the apparel equivalent of "premium denim".  Twice the nutrition? No, of course not.  Twice the price? Yes.

You're probably one of those people who thinks tinkering by man is somehow inherently evil (as if every single animal and vegetable we eat hasn't been tinkered with for centuries), and that "natural" somehow equals "good".   As if the natural world isn't filled with carcinogens, toxins and foods that are fundamentally unhealthy.   (The Gulf of Mexico is currently being destroyed by an "organic product", and Katla is spewing untold amounts of "100% natural" carcinogens into the air above Europe.)

The modern version of "Let them eat cake" is "Buy organic".   

The goal of food production is to feed the world, not to promote quasi-religious ideals like the inherent evil of that which is created by man.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 07:33 | 435120 i.knoknot
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minus the insults, i'm with you on this one.

i do wash my non-organic usuals twice tho'

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 02:00 | 436117 faustian bargain
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Organic is a marketing gimmick.

There are ways, however, of improving the nutritional content of vegetables by improving the quality of the soil, and these ways are not economical on a mass scale.

I think the goal of food production is to sell food, not to feed the world. Just like the goal of a currency is to preserve spending power, not to fund exponential growth by inflation-stealth.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:08 | 434218 snakeboat
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Corn (the high fructosy, syrup-y kind)

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 00:13 | 434814 tip e. canoe
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+ 1 dead zone in the gulf (pre-oil spill)

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 23:19 | 434743 Arkadaba
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Read with interest all the comments here but I don't think it is just a food issue. I grew up in a neighbourhood that was a mix of working class families and families on social assistance. I remember eating a lot of white bread, kraft dinner, junky cereals and my fav - toasted banana sandwich with brown sugar (it really is good!). I think the difference is that we played outside each and every day - tag, hide and seek, british bulldog, street hockey, tobaggoning, softball - after school during the week and all day long on weekends and in the summer. We were incredibly active. And there were very few children who were overweight. 

That being said, diet of course plays a role. Soda pop, candy, chips etc were a treat - not something we got every day.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:42 | 434157 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Have mercy Allah, the degradation!

This poster's avatar has porno in it, and it should be removed!

 

 

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:47 | 434175 What a mess_man
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you mean Plaz? his avatar rocks.  and it's not porn

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:59 | 434194 Problem Is
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I thought it was a finger and thumb holding an onyx ring?

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 20:28 | 434475 Lux Fiat
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Hahahahahah….

Pladizow’s avatar does not offend me, but it doesn’t do anything for me either.

Don’t see a need for it to change, but I might respectfully suggest a few name changes for Pladizow:

 - “Leave it to beaver” – offset picture with name that conjures thoughts of a more, ahem, wholesome time

 - “Mexican Hairless” – ok, honestly can’t tell from the teeny, tiny picture if it’s hairless or not, but what the hay

 - “For God and Cuntry” – because instead of promoting prurient interests, perhaps Pladizow is instead trying to visually and explicitly convey a message oft repeated on ZH - that ordinary folks all over the country (and world) have been bending over and taking misguided fiscal policies up the rear orifices, so to speak.  Sort of like Mikla’s avatar, but without the…ah…subtlety.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 06:16 | 435123 i.knoknot
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who junked you? lol

i like the "for god and c-ntry" ... tie the offensive (to some) to some dogma. the mixed message just confuses the hell out of 'em

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:48 | 434176 Xibalba
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What?  Bill O'Reilly doesn't bother you? 

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:50 | 434180 Ragnarok
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Just out of respect for those who may view Zero Hedge at work (on break of course) selecting a different avatar would be very much appreciated.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:13 | 434230 Xibalba
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I see where you're going, but I have a 32" monitor and the avatars are about 1 square centimeter....if that.  

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:32 | 434265 Ragnarok
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Fair enough, but my piece of shit linux with KDE freezes up all the time and I'm sure with my luck his avatar will be front and center when I ask IT to help fix it.  I guess I'll just restart my machine.

 

Believe me just writing my above post felt wrong, as I hate censorship.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:16 | 434234 hedgeless_horseman
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If you are worried about people at your work being offended by a 40x40 avatar with a pussie that is maybe 5 pixels by 2 pixels then something is definitely wrong with your situation.

If Plad changes his/her avatar, I very much promise to make mine 10x more offensive than his/hers.  Maybe an unretouched close-up of all three of Christine Romer's bearded chins?

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:35 | 434276 Ragnarok
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You'd be amazed what people get offended by. LOL.

 

Suggestion: Perhaps one of those motion avatars with Al Gore attempting to sexually assault me in a bath robe.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 17:11 | 434346 ColonelCooper
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I have a photoshp of Barney Frank's head on a big fat naked guy, and the angle makes it look like you're staring between his legs from the toilet bowl while he shits on you...Or you're looking up while blowing him.

You could have it if you want.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:16 | 434243 pan-the-ist
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Don't take it away, that's the only porn I get to see at work :(

I don't work for the SEC.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:17 | 434245 Currently Smoki...
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>ahem< ...blanket party 

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:45 | 434167 Vampyroteuthis ...
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It won't be losing their food supply that will make them move. It will be loss of their i-pad and SUV supply.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:52 | 434303 svendthrift
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If a bunch of people, most of whom will be white, "get off their fat asses" the immediate reaction by the defenders of Wall Street will be that they are racist and hate Obama. Abe Foxman and that vile cocksucker from the $LPC will be on every channel calling them every name in the book. The NYT and WaPo will go bonkers.

The hostile elite of the country are raping us. At the same time they are displacing us, so that there is no us left. It is perfect, effecitve and unstopable.

Deal with it.

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