Fukushima Accident Assessment Officially Raised To Maximum, Level 7

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Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:46 | 1159215 The Answer Is 42
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Amazing stupidity. Amazing complacency. Amazing incompetance.

Not complaining about the market impact, though.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:27 | 1159405 Ahmeexnal
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You are all a bunch of paranoid ladies peeing in your panties over nothing.

Trav7777, a nuclear physics nobel laureate, has assured us that this is all under control.

He said this is a non-event, just like the GOM oilspill. In another month you'll be desperately trying to find another catastrophe to keep your doom-gloom asses occupied.

 

/sarc off

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:35 | 1159435 PolishHammer
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Deninger said this is nothing and we are safe.  He insisted.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:16 | 1159565 Chumbadumba
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I LIFT THINGS UP AND PUT THEM DOWN

I AM CHUMBADUMBA! LOLOLOL!!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 20:37 | 1159649 What does it al...
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The truth is half way in between.

Japan is the most sophisticated nation engineering wise  (Maybe Germany is second, just look at their cars...).  They surivived through the initial 9.0 earth quake, which is about 31.6 times larger than the standard M7.5 in our US spec (Indian point, Diablo Canyon are build on 7.5), but the tsunami has cause some semi-permanant damage in the reactors 1 through 4.  

Talking about black swan... no body knew... 

 

And now, with it leaking in the ocean, air, and just all over.  The gig is up, concrete is next and I wish the Japanese well.  (Reg FD:  I am short Nikkei, having shorted and made a roundtrip and bought some back in 7800 territory, it is going back down to 8800 for sure!  It dropped 200 today, well on its way, this is a long term play...)

Good luck to all.  We are all indeed a little more radiated!   West Coast, East Coast, Hawaii!!!

This news item is bigger than Libya, Gobago, Egypt and even the debt ceiling...  

Man against Nature.  Man: X, Nature X+Y, where Y is ever increasing... like the countable set toward infinity.

 

 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 23:02 | 1160309 moneymutt
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okay for the millionth time, this was NOT a black swan, while the EQ was 9.0 the epicenter was far from Fukushima plant, a weaker earhtquake closer to the plant could have subjected the plant to as much shaking, how much shaking a building feels is not just the Richter mag, but how deep is quake, how close location is to epicenter, and what foundation soil/geology under building is. So maybe a 7.5 closer could have been just as bad, and a 7.5 closer was completely plausible and expected.

Second, the tsunami this size was a well known historical event that scientists in Japan had well-determine was on a thousand year cycle, last such big tsunami was in 800s, so they KNEW for decades that such a big tsunami was 200 years over due.  And it was not just science and studying soil layers and faults by geologists, they had extensive written history of the big tsunami in the 800s, just as Italy has extenisve first hand written accounts of Vesuvius, Pompeii...Last year, Japanese TV show talked about just how such a big tsunami was very likely to hit Sendai. TV predicted but the nuke guys say this beyond our expectations?!?!

Finally, when the tsunami splashed against sea wall it went up to about 45 ft high but the main wall of water at Fukushima nuke plant was likely much lower. If they had a 35-45 foot high sea wall made of back to back retaining walls filled in with very expensive stuff called dirt and horizontal layers of geosynthetics, dirt cheap, they could have largely protected the plant from evitable hazard. Its criminal they did not. Shoot even Diablo in Cali has a better tsunami sea wall and its not in a coutnry that invented the word.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 23:33 | 1160412 Arkadaba
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They should've had a bigger wall in New Oreleans too - also predicted.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:22 | 1162127 Marla And Me
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And that's the catch-22 of proposing a space for free speech: it's really easy for psy-ops fools to derail the conversation with idiotic charicatures of real commenters.  Here is our newest copy-cat - Chumbadumba

 http://www.zerohedge.com/users/chumbadumba

Notice that this character was created at least 43 weeks ago, but only started posting a bit over two months ago, which coincided with the return of the real chumbawumba.  I know we all love this space, but when I see stuff like this, I can't help but think that all that the Tylers do is create a pen to direct all the like-minded individuals to in order to make their identification easier.  There are at least 10 similar characters around.  Now that Redneck isn't around anymore, we get that green mouse.  At least Redneck was funny.  The green mouse, not so much.  His M.O. is ad hominem every single time.  Dedicated Trolls are all over this board, just like they are over at the Wall Street Journal (Marcia Crowley anyone?).  Sad...

Although I love this ZH information outlet, I often wonder if it isn't much more than a Langley/Brzezinski creation that the Russian trader Tyler had to agree to as part of his plea deal...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:52 | 1163149 serotonindumptruck
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"Although I love this ZH information outlet, I often wonder if it isn't much more than a Langley/Brzezinski creation that the Russian trader Tyler had to agree to as part of his plea deal..."

If that's the case, then Tyler was offered a much better deal than that Mikhail Khodorkovsky fella.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:40 | 1159634 Landrew
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Sorry about jumping the comments. If you know of someone in Japan please forward them my new method of food safety radiation detection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Q7VfWdgEg

Thanks

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:18 | 1160085 oygevalt
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Physicist in the house looking for scintillator plastic in ~100 gram quantities.  Curious where you got yours.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:09 | 1160061 WonderDawg
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He also insisted that a jet contrail was a Chinese ICBM. He's a smart guy, but not as smart as he thinks he is, and his condescending, cuntish attitude is most annoying. He's definitely got a face made for radio. Still, he makes sense on a lot of issues, but it can be hard to take seriously the rantings of a guy who looks like he cuts his own hair.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 20:30 | 1159811 trav7777
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go ahead and fuckin panic, bitch...run around screaming.

I never said what you claim I said, punk.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:23 | 1159964 Dejean Splicer
Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:42 | 1160006 Dejean Splicer
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FailedRobot showing Mito is on fire. ~2.0µSv per hr.

1.95 Bq/kg in the water supply

http://www.japan.failedrobot.com

Maximum Spread F achieved.
http://eprints.ru.ac.za/1621/1/Paradza-MSc-TR09-41.pdf

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:26 | 1159968 BoeingSpaceliner797
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Bartender, another vinegar & water for my friend, Trav.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:27 | 1159976 PenGun
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LOL

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:47 | 1160016 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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He's just kidding trav. I was worried about u when this first went down, you were on ZH a lot. I know thats not what you said, and the growing awareness of the horror affected al of us. Everybody deals with this stuff in different ways.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 23:40 | 1160423 Arkadaba
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Sorry Trav, you were very dismissive regarding this from the beginning - I can go back and find those quotes but prefer not to (I'm tired, you know what I'm talking about, etc.) 

Manning up isn't that hard to do.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 03:22 | 1160747 RichardP
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Trav was dismissive of the we're all gonna die mentality and scaremongering.  He said from the beginning that it was bad.  For Japan.  Not for us.  That is still the case.  Trav admitted that the situation might change, particularly if a melt-down hit the water table.  So far, the change that Trav admitted could happen hasn't happened.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:13 | 1163189 serotonindumptruck
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"He said from the beginning that it was bad.  For Japan.  Not for us.  That is still the case."

How do you know that it is not bad for us? Answer: You don't.

Perhaps you should educate yourself WRT some basic health physics. You might want to begin with the science of radioisotopic bioaccumulation, then you will be able to offer a credible theory regarding the health hazard level that exists downwind from this accident.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:53 | 1159479 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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We are ALL radiated now:

 

http://www.newser.com/story/116063/radiation-tests-of-us-milk-hit-new-hi...

 

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/09/radiation-detected-in-dri...

 

Drinking Water

Ra. The EPA’s maximum contaminant level for Iodine-131 in drinking water is 3 picocuries per liter.

  • Oak Ridge, TN collected 3/28: 0.63
  • Oak Ridge, TN collected at three sites 3/29: 0.28, 0.20, 0.18
  • Chatanooga, TN collected 3/28: 1.6
  • Helena, MT collected 3/28: 0.18
  • Columbia, PA collected 3/29: 0.20
  • Cincinatti, OH collected 3/28: 0.13
  • Pittsburgh, PA collected 3/28: 0.36
  • East Liverpool, OH collected 3/30: 0.42
  • Painesville, OH collected 3/29: 0.43
  • Denver, CO  collected 3/30: 0.17
  • Detroit, MI collected 3/31: 0.28
  • Trenton, NJ collected 3/31: 0.38
  • Waretown, NJ collected 3/31: 0.38
  • Muscle Shoals, AL collected 3/31: 0.16
Precipitation

In the data released Friday, iodine-131 was found in rainwater samples from the following locations:

  • Salt Lake City, UT collected 3/17: 8.1
  • Boston, MA collected 3/22: 92
  • Montgomery, Alabama collected 3/30: 3.7
  • Boise, ID collected 3/27: 390

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iodine-131 was found in air filters in the following locations. In the case of air samples, the radiation is measured in picoCuries per cubic meter.

  • Montgomery, AL collected 3/31: 0.055
  • Nome AK collected 3/30: 0.17
  • Nome AK collected 3/29: 0.36
  • Nome AK collected 3/27: 0.36
  • Nome AK collected 3/26: 0.46
  • Nome AK collected 3/25: 0.26
  • Juneau AKcollected 3/26: 0.43
  • Juneau AK collected 3/27: 0.38
  • Juneau AK collected 3/30: 0.28
  • Dutch Harbor AK collected 3/30: 0.14
  • Dutch Harbor AK collected 3/29: 0.11
  • Dutch Harbor AK colleccted 3/26: 0.21
  • Boise, ID collected 3/27: 0.22
  • Boise, ID collected 3/29: 0.27
  • Boise, ID collected 3/28: 0.32
  • Las Vegas NV collected 3/28: 0.30
  • Las Vegas, NV collected 3/30:: 0.088
  • Las Vegas, NV collected 3/29: 0.044

No other types of isotopes were found in the most recent data from air samples, even though EPA is also on the lookout for barium-140, cobalt-60, cesium-134, cesium-136, cesium-137, iodine-132, iodine-133, tellurium-129, and tellurium-132.

In older samples, isotopes of cesium and tellurium were found in Boise; Las Vegas; Nome and Dutch Harbor; Honolulu, Kauai and Oahu, Hawaii; Anaheim, Riverside, San Francisco, and San Bernardino, California; Jacksonville and Orlando, Florida; Salt Lake City, Utah; Guam, and Saipan on the Marina Islands.

Some of these locations had not been previously reported in EPA news releases.

 

 

Ahh, but don't worry folks, its all Cumulative....

 

 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 20:12 | 1159746 cheesewizz
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 The full list from the EPA

http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-sampling-data.html

 

And still we have our heads in the sand... Unreal

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 04:45 | 1160789 Tapeworm
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I care more about the fluoride compounds in my drinking water. Don't mention the fluorides in all of the water that is used for processing canned corn to beer. My teeth aren't that bad.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:56 | 1159501 Sockeye
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And MSM has gone completely silent. I remember the Chernobyl discussion went on and on. It was a big deal in the press. This one - nothing. Makes me think it's so serious that no one really wants to think about it, or have the public think about it. Yikes!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:08 | 1159534 Backspin
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Very good point, and I remember it as well.  The MSM was all over Chernobyl.  Part of that may have been political - The Soviet Union at the time was the Evil Empire and a cold war superpower competitor, and of course an ideological opponent.  Japan is more of an ally, and our politicians and media are more likely to be complicit with them rather than trying to discredit them.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:13 | 1159549 Sockeye
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The Chernobyl backstory was definitely about the cold war and helps explain some of the heightened awareness and discussion of the nuclear accident. I think as part of the end of the cold war we have become a bit desensitized to the dangers of nukes and people now simply do not understand how bad this is. Without MAD and the cold war nuclear fallout is not top of mind like it was in the 80s.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:36 | 1159631 Vlad Tepid
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Also, the MSM is filled with incompetent boobs, who cut their teeth on white knuckle source material like US Army and Federal Reserve press releases.  Back in the 80s there were still a few reporters who didn't run to Wikipedia at the sight of a four syllable word or digits not represented in whole numbers.

To get good reporting, you need to know how to dig for a story from worldwide contact. The i-reporters can't help MSM out here so they go into the latest breaking headlines about a kitten in a tree in Sioux Falls.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:49 | 1159662 disabledvet
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there's more than one nuclear site at risk.  from what i read in the NY Times it looked like two other sites were "having difficulties."

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:07 | 1160054 Oh regional Indian
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DV, save a few Trobell Laureates here, I think anyone with eyes that see, a functioning brain and a little knowledge of history knew that this was far worse than first, second or even third reported.

For people with a little deeper insight into cycles, it was known that this portended an End of the WOrld as we know it situation. Any junkers coming out of the woodwork, please state yoru position as to why you do not think this is so.

Water contaminated, air contaminated, animal life contaminated, no known solution in sight. We are all, globally, in the grip of a disaster that has no pretty ending.

For those who can tie more than two dots together, GOM was a tell that operation cull was now in full force. Japan/Fukushima is the logical end-run. once the nuclear genie was out of the bottle, it was never going back, not without a fight and it is a fight we cannot win.

Because we only know how to fight fire with fire. What a losing propositiion. Scorched earth battles.

There is no remediating this disaster other than SHUTTING DOWN of all nuclear power, globally, as soon as possible. We can survive with less power. 20%, 30%, NUMBers don't matter. SHUT IT ALL DOWN.

Easier said than done though. We are addicted to electricity. Overconsumption of power. Power hungry, power mad. It's a fractal thing which most folk here will understand, intuitively.

We can slowly pedal back on this, not stamp it out. There are other mitigating solutions, but the screaming cognitive dissonance that comes from their mere suggestion makes me not want to waste type-space here.

By the way, I'd called this on-coming nuclear mess back in June last year.

Free energy was our great industrial century's greatest curse.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/the-curse-of-free-energy/ 

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 05:17 | 1160801 Tapeworm
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May I junk you?

 What about clean and unfiltered information by the primaries involved so that we can gage the problems with our own research? The crap surrounding from Chernobyl and now Fukushima has deep roots in anti-nuke propaganda, much the opposite of what you think to be true.

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:07 | 1161607 Oh regional Indian
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Tapeworm, to junk or not is your prerogative.

I've been writing about the impending nuclear crisis since June last year on my blog.

I saw this coming. I'm not being reactionary or anythign mongering, just statiing the facts as I see it.

It will be the death of the world as we know it and this is beyond simple facts of radiation, irridiation, poisoning et. al.

ORI

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:20 | 1163065 d_senti
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I junked you. This is pure hyperbolic, panicky nonsense.

Don't get me wrong: Fukushima is a big effing deal. But it is most decidedly NOT TEOTWAWKI. The only reason you think so is because you "called it" (even though it was something that could not be called in its specifics, so it was dumb luck), and because it plays into your NWO depopulation fantasies.

Again, not saying there isn't an elite - there is. But if you wanted to cull the world, this is not the way you'd do it. With an accident caused by an earthquake and tsunami blowing fallout towards the Pacific Ocean? Please. How about rereleasing smallpox? That'd do just fine. So why hasn't that happened, if they just want to kill us all?

Your hippie, new age gobbledygook doesn't help clarify anything; if it does anything at all, it only muddies the discussion, just like any talk about "karma" for japan or all that BS. Kinda gettin tired of this crap. I'm a devout Catholic; do you see me coming on here and pushing every news story into my religious framework? Cuz make no mistake: what you're doing here is preaching your religion, continuously.

Fukushima will have long-lasting, serious consequences for millions of people (almost all of them in Japan). If things get substantially worse, or go on for years, which is still possible, then yeah, it could have worldwide health consequences. Either way, the economic consequences are going to be massive.

But it's not the end of the world. Really. So just stop it.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 21:26 | 1163720 Oh regional Indian
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d_senti, first off, just give my posts a pass. There are many I disagree with here, I just scroll on by.

Second, this non-financial view matters, in the big picture it's all connected.

And you see what I post as religious gobbledygook? Now that is hilarious.

ORI

 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:27 | 1160103 morkov
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remember, remember, Chernobyl was the enemy's nuclear disaster, 3 years later the Soviet block was off. i see RT being very active no this one now... LOL

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:29 | 1160114 morkov
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mhm

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 23:46 | 1160445 Arkadaba
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Write or call your local news outlet whether it be radio, tv or internet and ask them about this story. 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:41 | 1159644 Blotsky
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Well Obama is on it so there is nothing to worry about... move along now.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:28 | 1160125 morkov
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nobody is worried about Obama anymore, myfriend

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:12 | 1159934 True.North
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+ I drink your [radioactive] milkshake! I drink it up!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:11 | 1159937 Myzery
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I'm confused.

 

I thought there were three seperate signficiant "incidents" at Fukishima power plant, with each blown reactor getting it's own rating.

 

So, have they all been esclated to a level 7?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:46 | 1159217 Tail Dogging The Wag
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About time!!!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:21 | 1159572 slewie the pi-rat
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hear hear!  as usual, when i put the over/under @ 5X chernobyl by 3.31.11, my timing was freakin abysmal!  how was i to know everybody except a handful of zH's and abt 3 others, arnie included, would be pathologically unable to speak one word of truth abt this disaster? 

5X would be too easy, now, since the soil samples show we're already @ 4X.  but, who cares?  the o/u helped me think and fight abt this horrid event and i don't think i've studied anything this dilligently since my chem thermodynamics final in '66.

living in cali, i've been spending mucho time indoors.  now that it's stopped raining for a while, if we get a hi-pressure system, i'll get out and play, again.  no KI (Potassium iodide) for me.  i've done pretty well w/out this salt so far, and just don't like the sound of it for my body.  so fukit!  i am focusing on chelating vitamins, such as E and C, and have have upped my C intake by 500mgX2/day.  i've never pushed C before, but so far, so good.  my research indicated these V's would help remove some of the heavier element free radicals.  so, for $10, what the hell?

other than that i am doing extensive original research on the the impact of radioactive iodine and Ce 137 on human erectile tissue.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:21 | 1159584 cossack55
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kelp (not from eastern Japanese waters)

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:22 | 1159963 slewie the pi-rat
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thanks.  & for the tumeric, also.  have read of both.  we have great kelp beds off the coast here and out toward the farallons.  i've known fishermen to live on it wih a few rockfish they catch duing hi tide at the marinas.  broke  fishermen.  tying up on credit, getting backers to get back in the game.  rugged freakin individuals?  you betcha!

due to pacific/aka japan current, who knows?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:25 | 1159588 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Try Tumeric, slewie.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 00:04 | 1160449 Arkadaba
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He needs something! Talk about a poster child for non ADHD drugs ;)

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:55 | 1159681 Matte_Black
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I actually thought you we're being pro-nuke when you picked the line at 5x Chernobyl, and looking to kill the overs. No kidding. 

I have a new-found respect, sir.

Cheers.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:54 | 1159682 disabledvet
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huge debris field heading your way.  Tell Clint to enjoy Malibu while he can.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:05 | 1159914 psychologicalmess
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this "extensive original research on the impact of radioactive iodine and Ce 137 on human erectile tissue" is impressive--an example of altruism.  i'm sure the Japanese will be most appreciative.  you da man, s prat.

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