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Thank you WB and Zerohead. thank you. Will do William, I'll look up kw.
There is one law
all else is derivative.
I'm Catholic. Today is Sunday. Japan is on my mind. The readings today feature God's feet, thirsty people, and leaving slavery;
Exodus 17: 3 - 73 But the people thirsted there for water, and the people murmured against Moses, and said, "Why did you bring us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?" 4 So Moses cried to the LORD, ...
Until science and religion fully understand that they are not mutually exclusive, there will be no progress or healing, personally or collectively, for man or earth.
'We are but shadows and dust.' Gladiator
You will love reading Ken Wilber
With silence only as their benediction
God's angels come
Where, in the shadow of a great affliction,
the soul sits dumb
James Greenleaf Whittier
WB: great (written) post, top o' your game. Some comments.
"Almost two weeks ago, TEPCO proposed handing the whole thing over the the government. Why? "
"Almost two weeks ago, TEPCO proposed handing the whole thing over the the government. Why? "
... er ... TEPCO and LDP == Oil and Water. The demands of the U.S. nuclear industry on transparency and culture were fundamentally changed following TMI-2. There are a set of practices under the heading of "Safety Conscious Work Environment" that require openness. There are rather severe sanctions for non-compliance (at personal, professional, and organizational levels--see e.g. 'Davis Besse reactor head' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis-Besse_Nuclear_Power_Station
GW group cleared port and have to have been running the 'vaps at max to get fresher water. But again, face saving and in particular remember Hillary saying that emergency coolant had been flown in.
Please keep up excellent work.
Tnx Ned. What is very interesting about this is all of the studies and books written on Japanese management hierarchy and command behavior. It is highly unsuitable for this kind of a fluid situation. People will be studying this for decades, provided we make it through in one piece.
learn to F L O A T , folks. easier in salt water, as well†
fat americans will have it come to them easy, but will fight it, i perhaps know this known.
guy in tokyo reporting from his apartment.
you produce some awesome shit billy b .
Translation of Takashi Hirose on Japanese TV
Why is it that every time there is an accident, Americans start their little panicked headless chicken "we are all gonna die"-games?! It got real ridiculous during the BP diaster. All seas would die and we would face mass starvation etc etc etc. Every other guy was all of sudden an oil industry expert. The air was thick of total BS talk. Americans just can't shut the fuck up even when they know nothing or care finding out even the most basic facts.
Is it the poor public education or what?
just you wait, (tim73)buster.
It got real ridiculous during the BP diaster.
Are you suggesting the BP disaster is done and over with? You certainly displayed your education with that one!
tim73, so, you think the BP disaster is over--no more problems, oil dispersed, thanks to Corexit. like Katrina and New Orleans? everything fine there. and, yeah, they'll probably have all this annoying nuclear shit cleaned up in the next week.
One of the unifying facets to this thread, starting with WB7s writings, is the topic of water. Think on these issues since day 1; 10m wall of sea water, radiation in the water table of Tokyo, sea water cooling the spent rods, fresh water needed in enormous quantities, displaced farmers without homes or bottled water, Iodine radiation in the sea, Katrina blunders from Kathleen Blanco to George Bush (Remember how many days it took for helicopters to get bottled water to those trapped on overpasses and in the Superdome? I was here. After the storm, my artesian well in Mandeville came in very handy for the neighbors and for our own benefit).
It seems that government and corporate types are completely befuddled by their individual cog placement in the machine which modern, commercial Babylon has made of civil society. The extreme division of labor into which they have sold their manhood is now coming back to stupidify them. Maslow's hierarchy of needs places food and water near the baseline of requirements for human sustainability. Water should be the first thought of ALL responders after a catastrophe. Water has become merely a Platonic archetype to these bureaucrat entities, always needing to cover their ass when the machines breaks or slows down.
Water is the great cleanser. Any machine that can't handle the rain and the floods will not last long on earth.
Speaking as one educated in the US, Japan and the UK, I would say it probably has something to do with having a government with a serial history of lying, distorting and withholding the truth.
Don't forget about the all important: The thinks we think we know that just ain't so.
This could be a subcategory of:
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
I suspect there are also things we don't know but we suspect, as well as things we know enough about to be suspicious of, plus things about which we do know some things but suspect we don't know everything, things we now know we should have been suspicious of, things about which we know only the unknowing would be suspicious, "et cetera, et cetera, et cetera."
...or things that we know now that are not correct in the future, like the half life of radioactive material now. Also, time itself can never be known....and a nanosecond past, it is always history.
If the "Rapture" doesn't occur on 21 May at 6pm, the date and time predicted by Oakland minister Harold Camping, there will be an Erin Brockovich movie moment. "Here, drink some of this water and eat your spinach."
All is forgotten in the stone halls of the dead. These are the rooms of ruin where the spiders spin and the great circuits fall quiet, one by one.
Takashi Hirose, 68, a prominent anti-nuclear power activist in the 1980s who wrote prolifically on the topic and became a regular fixture on TV talk shows after the Chernobyl accident, lamented the relative lack of concern about the issue over the last decade or so. "There's been something wrong with Japanese media for the past 15 years," he said. "There used to be a time when newspaper reporters and TV would use people like me, let us have our say. I don't know where they've gone. They're not allowing the Japanese people to think." Now Hirose is back on TV and his book is in demand, selling out at Kinokuniya, one of the nation's top book retailers, and Amazon's Japan web site. Nuclear power has come under renewed scrutiny since the Fukushima accident, and Chubu Electric Power Co , which serves central Japan including the flagship factories of Toyota Motor Co , has said it would delay construction of a new reactor at Hamaoka. But Hirose remains on guard and hoped that overseas criticism of Japan's nuclear programme as a result of the current crisis will help his cause. "I'd like to see political pressure from America, and the whole world," he said."If they do that, the Japanese people will realise what's going on." (Editing by Elaine Lies)
this is a good point in time to point out all those Hollywood disaster movies (asteroids, volcanos, earthquakes, alien attacks etc) that show the US Govt 'doing right for the people' are absolute fiction.
In reality of course, as 100's of years of history shows, Govt is not only the most ignorant vessel in society but also the slowest to react, slowest to face reality, most incompetent to resolve and least thing to trust to 'do you good'.
The correct response is for individuals to ignore the Govt and in their million different ways sort their own 'Plan B' out. If I was Japanese my response would simply be to board a jet out of Japan because the Jap Govts corralling has been inept from the start and their advise cannot, and should not, be trusted
You are right, the only thing worth noting in those movies is the calculus of pulic order versus transparency.
you highlight the Jap Govts disaster recovery plan is a disaster itself
...who's surprised, it's completely predictable. Their mistakes from the start of 'going nuclear' (disasterously expensive) are strewn right along this line of mistakes up to and including their response as it unfolded. And we know the cover up (damage limitation) to protect the parasites machine rather than resolve the patent mistakes will continue ad nauseam
Fukushima in Japanese is translated as the "Happy Island" and as we have been finding out...there is nothing happy here and in fact history (if the world is lucky enough to have history here on out) will look back and determine that this may have been the greatest human blunder of all time.... Here are some great Japanese links..
There is still a webcam working at the fukushima plant. It shows pics every hour - sometimes u can see smoke above the nuclear plant.
Workers were evacuated on Sunday from a reactor building they were working in after high doses of radiation were detected at Japan's stricken nuclear power plant in Fukushima, the plant's operator said. Tokyo Electric Power the plant's operator, said radiation 10 million times the usual level was detected in water that had accumulated at the No.2 reactor's turbine housing unit. An official at TEPCO said workers left the No.2 reactor's turbine housing unit to prevent exposure to radiation.
The apparent loss of containment means game over. We lose.
Those numbers are starting to get TARPesque.
i have been wanting to say for a million years your posts are most cool
so yeah, most cool posts dude
Tnx ;-) Be cool...
It's time for an irradiated crunchy scrodly sushi roll at McD's
And a h/t to Vach
Keep bringing the quality sports wb7. No games with you and that's a fact
My Buddies are giggling! We have a small customs check so silence is golden right now. I'm mifi'ing you.
hey guess what, you are all over-reacting! no one will die from nuclear radation. really. it's right here in this bbc article.
So all nuclear scientists lie their asses off and we should trust zero hedge headless chickens instead? They know everything about well...everything, right?
dewd, i'm an idiot. ok. but here's what i'm thinkin'; 1. the nuke plants blowed up. 2. spent radioactive fuel rods were stored in the blowed up nuke plants instead of a steel/concrete bunker away from the plant. 3. the radioactive fuel rods in the reactor need water to keep them cool, otherwise a "meltdown" occurs. they can't pump in enough water to keep them cooled and some of the water leaks out. 4. so my conclusion, from this idiot, is that a meltdown has already started and ther's no way you would get me within a 100 mile radius of that place.
"A sea-change is needed in our attitude to radiation, starting with education and public information."
Emm. I think he may just have gotten his "sea-change".
I read that. Look who wrote it. What a beautiful world it will be.
Radiated fish anyone?
Dead Man Reincarnation Clear Vision
this is a good interview.
re the system. it runs on trust. this is at the
foundation of credit, liquidity, and fed notes.
trust. a bank is supposed to be a trust.
the participants have to have confidence that
time will not be erased. that tomorrow will not
be a completely new experience entirely unhinged
from today or yesterday. the symbols and triggers
and soft places will not all be mixed up rendering
everyone inconsequential and incoherent.
yet, as systems evolve they can increase in complexity
to the point where all those conditions become manifest
in the system itself. the debt based credit system
destroyed itself in abuse of trust in a trillion ways.
the fed notes are next as they are destroying the
trust in them in 100 trillion ways. if you thing about
anything, say buying bread, or going to california,
anything, consider all the trust you must have.
how many thousands of people have to do what they
do, many for almost nothing, just so this everyday
thing can happen. all that trust is based on federal
reserve notes in the symbolic "economy". it only
functions because people generally do not understand/
comprehend their condition in the current scheme of
things. agnotology, along these lines...
"Betancourt's argument is posed ...."
max interviewed him a week ago...
and the saying goes " trust no man ". any legitimate
government has checks and balances that work
reliably to accomplish just this. systems that function
to minimize or eliminate the potential insanity of
a man or group of men from committing mass murder
and societal destruction or cultural suicide. this
is what americans thought they had/have. they
were wrong and history will judge us accordingly.
ps. it is not the teachers, pentioners, or social security
that is the problem, it is the high priests of money
stealing, imo. (the manipulators and keepers of
the symbols of value at the core of the experience
of trust as exchanged in legal and reportable domains).
along those lines....you know
The crisis of trust is approaching
Simply brilliant. Thank you WB7.
Viva -- Sager
Tnx Sager ;-)
WB7 - outstanding! I thought Black (Barack) Swan was untoppable but this tops it, especially with the thoughtful analysis.
A few points: one, my organization has people posted in Tokyo and there was an update from the American School two days ago about the situation - I was shocked that the only caution was to avoid consumption of tap water by infants. This might be a country in denial out of no other choice - what do you do with 13 million people 150 miles south of a stage 6 nuclear accident? Second, a frightening prospect of what can happen to an area after a stage 7 nuclear accident - see post below of Chernobyl today. Lastly, the point made about risk analysis was excellent, not accounting for the effect of a tidal wave on such a facility in relatively close proximinity to so many people is negligent, criminal, incompetent - take your pick.
I'm sure that school is more than half empty and those remaining are primarily Japanese.
They aborted Shoreham on Long Island because they concluded they could never evacuate Long Island.
That is a forgone conclusion, if you have ever been to Tokyo.
I don't want to create panic. But when they say it is a level 7, I think it probably means don't go outside.
Two days ago we watched a video of a meeting last week with the most senior Russian scientist who also advised on the sarcophagus construction at Chernobyl. He was in Japan at the request of the government for advice on their problems. He said that after giving them his best advice, they totally ignored all of it and were merely seeking to save face.
He said that he told them to immediately evacuate everyone in a 100 km diameter circle around Fukushima. He also measured the radiation in the soil 60 km from Fukushima and found it was twice as bad as the same measurements taken at the same distance from Chernobyl in 1986. He also said there would be no food grown there again. Ever. Not only that, but the irradiation of the ground water would affect Tokyo itself. He said that there is no safe water in Tokyo at present, nor will there ever be again. Evidently the bureaucrats have given no thought to the evacuation of Tokyo (30 million residents). His most telling comment was that the problems at Fukushima have not even started yet. It will get worsr & worse until they put it all in a proper containment structure, which will take years.
And the best of British Luck to all the world's incompetent bureaucrats. (Which is ALL of them)
As I said, I am not in a position to opine on these types of technical issues. But I can say with the greatest confidence that the Japanese establishments machinery is set up to resist unpleasant realities, to stifle negative feedback in any form and to be ruthless in economic survival mode.
In this emergency, the economic loss to the company is still playing a prominent part in the decision making process. It is pure folly to think otherwise.
Working for a Japanese company for almost a decade, I observed first-hand the stifling of negative feedback and economic ruthlessness that you mentioned. But I also observed their almost fanatic desire to avoid having to admit failure in any form. It had a stigma of dishonor attached to it that was comparable to what used to be associated with, let's say, a sex scandal in our society decades ago - a fate to be avoided at all cost. It may even be part of the reason hari kari was once considered the better option than to suffer personal dishonor of any sort, which could include personal failure.
So here we have TEPCO responsible for the greatest failure in Japanese history. It's understandable to me that they may have been partially paralyzed for days, trying to figure out how to deal with their personal crises and the shame of being accountable for this tragedy. I think it definitely clouded their judgment, as they wrestled with how to attempt to mitigate the perceived harm, and thus their personal dishonor, while refusing outside help which might lead to a disclosure of the true extent of the problem.
As you know, they are very demure people. The idea of humiliation is one thing. But public huhumiliation is for them is a horror of epic proportions. In our society, the skunks don't seem to give a shit about humiliation and embarassment.
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