Fukushima Explosion Update: Core Presumed Intact As Sea Water Used To Bring Temperature Down, Radiation Level At 1015 Microsieverts/Hour

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Sat, 03/12/2011 - 10:44 | 1044140 sharkbait
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This plant and the events thus far are nothing like Chernobyl.  Chernobyl was orders of magnitude worse.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 10:44 | 1044141 Seasmoke
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worlds 3rd largest economy is coming to a stop for a long time

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 11:04 | 1044198 Turd Ferguson
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That they have been forced to use sea water shows that the backup diesel generators have failed. This is far from over. Pray.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 11:12 | 1044221 AG BCN
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Don’t go all MC Hammer on us, focus Turd, we need ya

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 11:38 | 1044296 Careless Whisper
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and the discharged water is going... where?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:54 | 1044627 OS2010
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I agree.  No matter what they do, this will not go away.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:17 | 1044996 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sorry for grabbing a spot near the top but I thought these might interest ZH readers.

These are supposedly photos of Unit 1 after the explosion. Can't say if they are real so take them with a grain of salt. But compare them with the illustration of that type of reactor. Maybe the containment is still intact?

Though I seriously doubt the pipes and valves into and out of the reactor are undamaged after the explosion. I don't see the overhead crane in these pictures, which means it was either blasted away or more likely fell in onto the reactor.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:46 | 1045049 New_Meat
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CD-good find and great cutaway of the Mk 1.  I doubt that the first two pix are of Daiichi-1 after the explosion.  Look more like secondary containment structure under construction.  Why?  The siding is so even and much higher than what I think I saw in the explosion video post explosion. 

The donutty thing at the bottom is the 'torus' that contains water to quench steam in the event of a reactor coolant system breach.  Reactor vessel in red.  Primary containment is the structure sorta' form-fitting around the vessel.  Steam comes out the top; rods inserted into the bottom.

- Ned

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:57 | 1045061 Spalding_Smailes
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They are showing the same pictures on the live broadcast now. A bit of twisted metal hanging in front .....

TBS News i Japan Live: TBS News i Japan Live

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:01 | 1045069 sushi
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In the second image we appear to be looking at the top of the steel containment vessel. If you count the floors on the cutaway with the floor immediately atop the torus as level 1 there are 4 floors plus a section of two heights of framework. In the photo images all the concrete associated with the top level floor is missing and we can see 3 segments of framework. So either the explosion removed a significant amount of concrete or you are correct and the photos are from the construction phase. A report elsewhere stated that one of the deaths was that of the overhead crane operator.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:18 | 1045079 Cognitive Dissonance
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If you look at all the post explosion photos on the MSM they are all taken from a distance and you can't see the entire vertical height of the building, only the top third or fourth.

After studying high quality photos of all four buildings taken months or years before yesterday, you can see that the top third of the containment buildings all have a line about a third of the way down from the top that seems to demark a joint or connection. I wonder if these buildings were designed for the top to blow away in the even of a buildup of super heated gas, thus protecting the reactor itself to some degree.

Plus if you look closely at these photos, you will see much damage including debris hanging down and some of the steel structure is damaged, bent, twisted and a piece is missing at the top. The horizontal beam where the overhead crane runs on is missing or bent down near the top right. Plus the roof trusses aren't in place. They would never start siding the buildings until the roof was in place since the roof is an integral part of the structure.

Here is a better picture of Unit 1.

Second Photo appears to be after the tsunami in front of unit 4

Third photo is a high detail photo from a few years back.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:20 | 1045102 davepowers
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thanks for posting this CG

there is a new TEPCO press release


This indicates something is going on a #2 and #3 as well. At least the status report is different than for #4-6.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:35 | 1045119 Spalding_Smailes
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Now, all 3 live reactors are having problems ... The other 3 reactors were offline for maintenance ...



The emergency cooling system is no longer functioning at the No.3 reactor at Tokyo Electric Power Co's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power facility, requiring the facility to urgently secure a means to supply water to the reactor, an official of the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told a news conference.

20 mins ago.


Also .......


"Because of its high "neutron flux" levels, the reactor pressure vessel can become embrittled and fail during accident conditions. A nuclear accident involving MOX fuel could cause a meltdown more serious than Three Mile Island or Chernobyl, because the levels of radiation inside a reactor using MOX are even higher than in a normal atomic reactor."


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:05 | 1045255 malikai
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Judging by the inflammatory language on the nirs site, I think this as a source of information is useless. If the language used was purely technical, you would not read sentences like this:

But using MOX as a fuel perpetuates the myth that plutonium is a commodity. Use of MOX would set up a reprocessing infrastructure that would allow continued use of plutonium as a fuel for centuries to come. Using plutonium in commercial reactors would be the first step toward the nuclear industry’s goal of recovering more plutonium from irradiated nuclear fuel by reprocessing. This option has been rejected time and again by the U.S. government as uneconomical, unsafe, and prone to nuclear weapon’s proliferation concerns, and so should be rejected again. NIX MOX!

One cannout count this as valid a source with such a strong political view on such a technical subject. Reading that site reminds me of reading Greenpeace circulars during the early 90s.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:47 | 1045138 sushi
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Large schematic of this design plus elevation drawing.


There were other reports that on Unit #1 all the control rods were inserted except for 1 rod that did not insert properly. Is it likely that a single missing control rod would give rise to these problems?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:59 | 1045153 New_Meat
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" Is it likely that a single missing control rod would give rise to these problems?"

No, part of the safety analysis that feeds back to the design.  One <anything> failing is part of the design.  Looks like the core shut down, then removal of decay heat is the next function to fulfill. They had (apparently) the emergency diesel generators working for like an hour until (unclear, the tsunami took them out?) the EDGs both failed.

Same happened at TMI-2, core shut down, decay heat rising, fubar the heat removal scheme.

- Ned

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 19:10 | 1045170 Cognitive Dissonance
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Both the cutaway above and this rough and crude schematic shows that the top fourth of the unit is clad with simple siding whereas the bottom three quarters show reinforced concrete. This would help explain only the top portion blowing away.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:34 | 1045282 AUD
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Wouldn't the top of the building blowing off indicate that the reactor itself has exploded? Or if it was the 'pressure suppresion chamber' then the reactor would have taken the full force of the explosion anyhow? & probably disintegrated?

If there was any radioactive material in the core at the time it would now be everywhere else? No wonder radiation levels are down.



Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:49 | 1045305 Ident 7777 economy
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Looking at the diagram above the path of egress for gases evolving from fuel rods in contact with the coolant in the Reactor Pressure vessel is:

1) up past the drywell head

2) into the Refueling cavity

3) and then up past the Concrete shield plug

4) into the area above the part labeled Reactor building



Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:58 | 1045317 AUD
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But either way, whatever was in the 'lightbulb' shaped area, including the contents of the reactor vessel, is now part of the atmosphere?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:02 | 1045324 Cognitive Dissonance
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The crude drawing doesn't begin to show the possible pathways to the top of the building nor does it show the vent locations for the reactor vessel. All we can surmise is that super heated hydrogen, once it is vented from the vessel, would attempt to rise to the top of the building.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 00:27 | 1045849 Ident 7777 economy
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Just a question, CD, is your background engineering related; any work with drawings, schematics, technical sketches and the like? A number of us do this for a living (if one can call it a living at times!) and put a little more credance in a well-drawn info-packed sketch for its intended purpose of showing major delineated parts, chambers and enclosures, both sealed and unsealed etc ...

Just wondering.

Good job on getting some of these images/pictures together in one spot too.




Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:56 | 1045315 Cognitive Dissonance
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There is no doubt that there are serious problems with the cooling of the reactor. The fact that the top of the building blew off doesn't mean the reactor itself also blew. In fact, the pressure release valves in the reactor vessel would probably let go long before the vessel or vessel top actually blew. That's not the real worry. The worry is an uncontrolled heat buildup with a subsequent melting of the rods which then breaches the bottom of containment eventually hitting ground water, then blowing by way of superheated steam.

What this most likely was was a hydrogen oxygen explosion from hydrogen produced as the fuel rod cladding broke down under extremely high temperatures of over 2000F. This is superheated hydrogen vented from the overheated reactor vessel into the containment building which would naturally try to flow to the top of the building where it mixes with the existing air/oxygen. At some point all it needed was an ignition source.

If the core itself was now scattered all over the site from the explosion the radiation readings would be through the roof and the authorities wouldn't be able to hide the fact for very long. And that picture of unit one with it's top blow off would never have been taken either.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:07 | 1045328 AUD
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I dunno, that looked like a powerful explosion. Would the reactor vessel be designed to withstand that kind of force?

The top of the building looks like it was just cladding, doesn't look like the pressure would have been building up inside there, more likely under the concrete plug.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:33 | 1045349 Cognitive Dissonance
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Nobody said pressure was building up in the top of the building. Just that hot hydrogen gas was flowing to the top of the building. Pressure inside the reactor vessel itself was vented into the containment building and the gas that was vented was steam, hydrogen and other gases. The hydrogen/oxygen mix was the explosive mix.

Have you ever seen the result of a gas leak explosion in a home or factory? Incredible force. It has nothing to do with pressure buildup at the top of the building, just a buildup of explosive gases. There doesn't need to be a buildup a pressure, just displacement or mixing of the existing air with the hydrogen. The explosion wasn't caused by pressure buildup, just explosive gas buildup.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 00:49 | 1045891 fuu
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They were stating last night(CST) that the pressure inside the containment building was 2 times over the design limit. That would indicate to me that there was a lot of gas built up to explode when ignition occured.


I am curious, now that the containment building is broken is the hydrogen/oxygen just venting straight into the air?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:50 | 1045307 New_Meat
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thx-and then no blast overpressure going down to primary cnmt. - Ned

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:21 | 1046268 New_Meat
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CD-good read. - Ned

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 19:14 | 1045168 Spalding_Smailes
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A new report released today in the Kremlin prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Institute of Physics of the Earth, in Moscow, is warning that the America’s are in danger of suffering a mega-quake of catastrophic proportions during the next fortnight (14 days) with a specific emphasis being placed on the United States, Mexico, Central America and South American west coast regions along with the New Madrid Fault Zone region.



First quake almost 7 hours ago off the coast of California ...

Magnitude mb 4.3
Date time 2011-03-12 20:16:58.8 UTC

Magnitude mb 4.8
Date time 2011-03-12 17:54:27.0 UTC

Magnitude mb 5.3
Date time 2011-03-12 17:13:15.0 UTC)

Magnitude mb 5.4
Date time 2011-03-12 14:11:04.0 UTC

Magnitude mb 4.5
Date time 2011-03-12 12:03:42.0 UTC
Location 25.36 N ; 109.76 W

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 19:33 | 1045211 cossack55
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Gotta love Ken Ring.  BTW, I see a large disclaimer on www.spaceweather.com stating absolutely no relation between sunspots and earthquakes. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:49 | 1045304 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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It is the sun and the moon.  Tidal forces of nature, electro magnetism and even gravity affects us here on our tiny spaceship.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:42 | 1045373 Rusty Shorts
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This girl predicted the quake, to the day.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:00 | 1045396 New_Meat
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infowarz has O taking over internet idz o' march 3/15 and endo' the world 5/21.  Let's see! - Ned

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:03 | 1045253 ColonelCooper
Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:45 | 1045292 Spalding_Smailes
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Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:09 | 1045258 dkny
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I wonder if these buildings were designed for the top to blow away in the even of a buildup of super heated gas, thus protecting the reactor itself to some degree.

My father, with experience in the chemical industry, mentioned that in that industry by design there are point of failures designed for the release of excessive pressure, as you don't want the energy to build up and then end up with a catastrophic release.

So, it probably blew up as it did by design.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:42 | 1045742 Iam_Silverman
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Yup.  Those are blow out panels.  Designed to prevent excessive internal (seconday containment) pressure.  If I recall correctly, it is between 8 and 15 psid that they are designed to "pop".  I also recall them being chained so as not to become missile hazards.  Those panels appear to be gone - not hanging and swinging in the wind as a result of a passing tornado (been there, done that).

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 00:09 | 1045814 Cognitive Dissonance
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They did not pop. They were exploded horizontally for hundreds of feet. Watch the video. Worse, you can see some of the steel structure missing and blown away as well as the entire roof structure, truss system and all. Plus the overhead crane is gone, either up and away or more likely down.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 00:33 | 1045861 Ident 7777 economy
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I'm not so sure the crane is gone; take a closer look at the track (it is there, well, both tracks since the crane needs two actual tracks, one on each side. Hint: First look at the sketch to get an  idea of the track position) and follow it to the right kinda - looks like it might be at the right, or far side (from us) of the track. Oh yeah; some experience interpreting photo recon info on this end as well ..

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 17:13 | 1047168 Cognitive Dissonance
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Take a look at the beam the crane runs on and follow it to the right. It suddenly dips down at an angle. And I do have schematic and mechanical drawing drafting and reading experience as well as architectural.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 19:59 | 1045249 Kaiser Zose
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Ned - if the top of the Reactor Bldg was blown away...the spent fuel pool is now possibly exposed to atmosphere.  Who knows what the integrity of the pool is...this pool has to be kept cooled to avoid problems with the spent fuel...which is probably pretty full as its a 40 yr old Rx and I don't think they use dry cask storage.  It takes days to boil off the spent fuel pool and there's usually 20+ feet of water on top of the fuel.  Unlikely they have cooling to the pool.  That's easier to flood with seawater though - just dump a fire hose in and start filling with ocean water.  Corrosion problems later are the least of their concerns.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:16 | 1045265 Spalding_Smailes
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Found this: Reactor Details

Daiichi, Plant No. 1

Daini, Plant No. 2

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:34 | 1045351 ColonelCooper
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Dude.  You're on fire today.  Don't know how you're keeping up with any of it.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:56 | 1045385 New_Meat
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KZ, yep, 'cept I don't think the spent fuel is kept above the reactor.  Gets moved and as you say, one could put a garden hose (was done at Browns Ferry BWR during their fire/thang back when) to get water where needed.

Spent fuel gets moved to its own special swimming pool--like the one that madeline albright talked about w/DPRK reactors spent fuel.  Then, well, it sits until all of the energetic halfs be energetic.

And I agree--corrosion is nay concern since the puppy is a) skoshi MWe and b) at end of design life.  OK, I gotta' say this: "Death Panel has decided to Sacrifice Daiichi-1 unit for the economic benefit of TEPCO and the Japanese economy."

same-same gee-eye.

[ed. you can see refuelling tramway in sketch lower right hand corner-rectangular thingie]

- Ned

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:46 | 1045752 zhandax
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Ned, I lived about 30 miles from Brown's Ferry when they had their little 'Nuclear Disaster by Candlelight' (what they called it on the Huntsville news that night) and they did cool it with the equivalent of a garden hose (5/8" pipe).  This means my garden faucet could cool one of these reactors in a dire emergency and TEPCO can't even manage that at three separate cores.  I will wager there has been a whole lot of arguing in the boardroom the last 24 hours about trying to save the 'investment' as opposed to securing public safety.  The roof explosion forced them to defer to public safety on the first core, and if no better alternatives appear and no one in the boardroom looses their shit (better likelihood in Japan than in the US), they will probably turn the saltwater pumps on the other two.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:48 | 1045754 Iam_Silverman
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"KZ, yep, 'cept I don't think the spent fuel is kept above the reactor."

At the two BWR's I worked at in the past (Brunswick/Hatch) the fuel pools were indeed located at the upper level of the secondary containment building.  That made refueling go much faster - no upenders and transfer tubes to worry with.  You used only one refueling platform from the reactor vessel, through the "cattle chute" and then to the SFP.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 00:02 | 1045798 Kaiser Zose
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Yes the SFP is a bit above the Rx Vessel...someone posted a diagram of a GE BWR Mk I (?) Rx Bldg in this thread on p1 if i recall correctly.  It shows location of the SFP relative to the Rx and it is slightly above.  At least the top of the SFP is a bit above the Rx.  In refueling the Rx cavity is flooded to equalize level between the pool and and Rx to that the refueling machine can be used to move fuel between the two...So I think that the level of the top of the SFP is essentially open to atmosphere now.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 01:59 | 1046009 Odd Ball
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Great photos, CD.  I would say that those after-the-blast images are the real thing.  They match exactly my speculations several hours ago about the crane bay blowing off.  The crane looks as though it is still there - parked at the far end.  It runs on the two heavier beams that don't match up with the framework of beams that supported the metal cladding.  In a post further below you can see remnants of the cladding on the roof of another building.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 11:40 | 1044304 Turd Ferguson
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Dang it, AG. Now ya did it...


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