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Fukushima Groundwater Radiation Level Jumps Several Dozen Times In One Week, More Measurement Devices "Fail"

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TEPCO continues to be stuck between a rock and a liquid place. Following recent efforts to stop the spillage of radioactive water into the ocean, the pseudo-nationalized utility is now experiencing the aftermath of radioactive water retention. From Kyodo: "The concentration levels of radioactive iodine and cesium in groundwater
near the troubled Nos. 1 and 2 reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi
nuclear power plant have increased up to several dozen times in one
week, suggesting that toxic water has seeped from nearby reactor turbine
buildings or elsewhere, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Thursday. According to the latest findings, a groundwater sample taken April 6
near the No. 1 reactor turbine building showed radioactive iodine-131 of
72 becquerels per cubic meter, with the concentration level growing to
400 becquerels as of Wednesday. The concentration level of cesium-134
increased from 1.4 becquerels to 53 becquerels.
" Conventional thought is that this is due to contaminated water used to cool down overheating reactors: "A total of around 60,000 tons of contaminated water is believed to be flooding the basements of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactor turbine buildings as well as trenches connected to them, and the water is hampering work to restore the cooling functions of the reactors lost since the March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami." Yet the most troubling news once again comes from the plutonium containing Reactor 3 where the temperature rose suddenly. Not to worry though: "TEPCO officials said the data were likely due to a glitch in a measuring instrument." And with that we have another data reader which indicates unpleasant information being thrown away (this follows the halt of readings from the Drywell radiation counter in Reactor 1 following a reported surge).

On the spike in radioactive groundwater.

TEPCO pumped out around 660 tons of highly radioactive water Tuesday and Wednesday from one of the trenches to a ''condenser'' inside the nearby No. 2 reactor turbine building, where during normal operation steam from the reactor is converted into water.

But the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the water level in the vertical part of the trench as of 11 a.m. Thursday had increased by about 4.5 centimeters from the level observed at 6 p.m. Wednesday.

The level of the water is now only 1.5 centimeters lower than shortly before the water-transfer mission started at 7:35 p.m. Tuesday.

And on what happens when deteriorating data breaks the norm:

Meanwhile, concern grew over the state of the No. 3 reactor at one point, as the agency said in the afternoon that the temperature of part of its reactor pressure vessel was found to be rising suddenly.

But TEPCO officials said the data were likely due to a glitch in a measuring instrument, because other temperature data related to the vessel has not shown a similar rise.

 

 

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Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:10 | 1169024 Ancona
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Tokyo will not be around for much longer as the center of finance and business. They had better start looking for somewhere to put those 31 million people before they start glowing in the dark.

This disaster is far from over.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:20 | 1169080 Global Hunter
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enenews.com reports from Sofia news agency of Bulgaria that they're considering moving the capital from Tokyo.  I couldn't find it anywhere else though so take it with a grain of salt, but it wouldn't surprise me if they start leaking the idea a few months ahead of the official announcement to soften people up for the blow.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:24 | 1169095 Popo
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Something tells me ITAR/TASS doesn't know the difference between "capital" and "capitol". 

Then again, apparently neither do you ;)

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:29 | 1169113 Global Hunter
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?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:45 | 1169191 slumgullion
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Tokyo without its capital would be okyo. Or it might have no yen.

To be fair though, lots of online dictionaries get this one wrong.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:01 | 1169265 Cognitive Dissonance
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As my English professor always told us...."Go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls".

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:15 | 1169307 breezer1
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a little comedic relief...

http://www.engrish.com/

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:39 | 1169940 Herman Strandsc...
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'a little comedic relief...

http://www.engrish.com/'

Thanks but don't click on this if you have a coin-operated PC.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:55 | 1169228 Prof Gulliver
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Uh, no, actually he's right. "Capital" is the city; "capitol" is the actual building where the legislators meet. Although a few more aftershocks, and maybe the capitol will move by itself to a new city.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:44 | 1169445 TruthInSunshine
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Karl Denninger said that the only thing lower than the real rate of inflation would be the Fukushima radiation and its adverse environmental impact.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:32 | 1169654 Ruffcut
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Dumbinger said what? The only thing lower than the rate of inflation is his IQ.

Fuktard supreme, he be. I think he is putting his hat into the ring for a gubbermint shill job, unless he has been doing it already.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:33 | 1169649 Bicycle Repairman
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They'll move the capital, then later they'll move the capitol.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:26 | 1169111 Matte_Black
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Report: Japan considering moving capital away from Tokyo

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=127294

And then there are these glowing reports:

http://enenews.com/japanese-expert-govt-delayed-level-7-rating-ease-peop...

http://enenews.com/fukushima-forecast-shows-large-radiation-cloud-over-u...

http://enenews.com/radiation-level-in-groundwater-up-1000-in-a-week-at-f...

 

What a fucking trainwreck. We are all riding the Fukushima Express now, I guess.

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1169181 rocker
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But their stocks are going up.  Godman Shafts at work again doing God's work.  What a joke.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:04 | 1169404 TruthInSunshine
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It's BOJ interventionism on triple-prime steroids.

They are going to print their way into the holy land of cheap exports, or so they believe, once again.

In the interim, take each piece of cotton fiber stock certificate traded on the Nikkei, one Ginsu knife, and slice into hundreds of pieces of ribbon-like confetti.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:33 | 1169660 Bicycle Repairman
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LOL.  Anyone want to hold yen?

Japan is going to be like the Harlem Globetrotters soon.  Every game is an away game.  Maybe countries could take turns hosting Tokyo and the Japanese government.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:04 | 1169266 Broker NotBroke
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It's still purple and blue...that means we're ok right?

/sarc (mostly)

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:29 | 1169274 Cognitive Dissonance
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We are all riding the Fukushima Express now, I guess.

Sounds like an illegal drug or a bad acid trip. Of course I wouldn't know anything about that.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:32 | 1169406 Cdad
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Matte,

What's the problem here?  Not sure I understand.  And clearly you have not heard.  Duncan donuts coming to an IPO near you.  Surely, the "all clear" sign.

Let's turn that margin account frown upside down....K?

/sar off...will someone please stab me in the head?....?/sarc on

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:44 | 1169951 Lapri
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Talk of moving the capitol resurfaces every decade or so ever since late 1950s.One of the most recent recommenations included Fukushima as a new location for the capitol. Brilliant.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 16:43 | 1170227 destiny
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double

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 16:41 | 1170229 destiny
Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:21 | 1169082 Dane Bramage
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Indeed.  Long radiation refugees.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:23 | 1169088 carbonmutant
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 ITAR-TASS is reporting Japan is "mulling moving the capitol from Tokyo" to possibly Osaka or Nagoya due to rising radiation levels.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=127294


Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:30 | 1169131 Global Hunter
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The article quotes the source as ITAR-TASS but I can't actually find the original source article.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:09 | 1169551 carbonmutant
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This following statement appears to have been edited from the English version of this ITAR-TASS article.

Six-point quake hits Japan’s eastern coast

http://www.itar-tass.com/txt/eng/level2.html?NewsID=16152097&PageNum=0

"Japanese deputies further announced that two new capital cities might be designed, because of the risk of the severe consequences of future natural disasters in Tokyo. The possible locations of the new capitals might be the in the areas of the national airports of Nagoya and Osaka.

Meanwhile the government announced the broadening of the critical area around Fukushima-1 nuclear power station that will require the evacuation of the residents."

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:32 | 1169391 MassDecep
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Tokyo!!

Check out some of the headlines from California. People are getting sick from the rediation fallout there.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:37 | 1169663 Bicycle Repairman
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No way you are moving California to my town.  No way.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1169043 NOPOMO
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If you don't like the data....just throw it away.  Banks do it, Governments doing it, we are all doing it....extend and pretend on steroids. 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:45 | 1169198 Id fight Gandhi
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Must be why Japan is trading up.

Multiple china syndromes are the new bull market.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1169045 aVian
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dinninger thinks everything is fine BTFD

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:34 | 1169068 plocequ1
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I read that too. Is telling it the way it tiz is considered junk? 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:22 | 1169097 Piranhanoia
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Poor guy is challenged by the third dimension and ignorant of the fourth.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:00 | 1169256 acrabbe
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denninger is too smart for his own good. don't misunderstand me here. he's smart enough to sort of know what he's talking about, but he's not smart enough to know when he doesn't know ANYTHING about what he's talking about. And he's too stubborn to admit when he's wrong. These are not traits becoming one who exposing himself publicly to others. You are opening yourself up to ridicule and derision. Especially when you are a flamingly hateful racist.

Case in point, his views on inflation vs deflation and the commodity trade. The guy has been bearish on gold since 700. I stopped visiting his site long ago...

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:57 | 1169510 Kobe Beef
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I agree, and have also stopped reading Denninger. But I always did enjoy his "Where are all the Damn Cops" postings right after the Lehman Crash.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:22 | 1170407 VisualCSharp
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I think Karl is simply unwilling to accept that, sometimes, people are irrational, and nothing any one person can do can change that. Consider it the primary failing of his no-doubt ENTJ Myers-Briggs personality.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1169047 Cdad
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 in the afternoon that the temperature of part of its reactor pressure vessel was found to be rising suddenly.

Well, at least we have that going for us.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:14 | 1169049 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/71001/Japan_is_SINKING_into_the_...

it is time , I think, for japan to start thinking seriously about mass evacuations of the entire island........Lord knows where they will go.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:32 | 1169144 Race Car Driver
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How about all those empty cities in China - and all the ghost towns in SoCal's Inland Empire?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:51 | 1169222 vxpatel
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Detroit?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:37 | 1169684 Bicycle Repairman
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Japanada?  New Zeajapan?  Phillapan?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 21:49 | 1171052 HedgeCock
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Detroit!!  LOL!  You're going to get people to actually brave the radiation and stay in Tokyo with that suggestion...um, threat.  

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:16 | 1169051 Tsunami Effect
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Tyler, would you please post in a convenient place on this site a list of reliable sources for radiation levels both here and japan, experts you think are credible and other useful links for us to follow? 

ZH has been the best source of information on this ongoing disaster, but its really hard to keep up with just raw information from reliable sources (if they even exist).

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:29 | 1169128 carbonmutant
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Try this slide show from the US Dept. of Energy

http://www.slideshare.net/energy/radiation-monitoring-data-from-fukushim...

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:33 | 1169398 flattrader
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Good link to monitor global flow of radiation coming out of Japan.

http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~tcanty/hysplit/

Updated daily.

As I've crawled around the web, I've learned that some of the sites don't update regularly.

In some cases, data regarding differnt kinds of radiation is hard to come by for modeling and reporting...either by design or incompetence on the part of the Japanese...or some other party.

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:15 | 1169053 Corduroy
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The "other temperature data" referred to is actually the last temperature showing on the monitors that broke when the tsunami hit....

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:15 | 1169061 aerial view
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Mindboggling that with all of our great technology to blow up and destroy things, we seem to be impotent when it comes to fixing them.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:43 | 1169190 NotApplicable
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What's truly mindboggling is the expectation that criminals have the desire, let alone the ability to provide useful goods and services. Instead they terrorize and steal.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:26 | 1170420 VisualCSharp
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The real problem is humans' seeming unwillingness to accept that things can and will go wrong. We lull ourselves into a false sense of security by thinking we've covered every angle and eventuality. We don't seem to have it in us as a race to accept that shit happens.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:18 | 1169067 topcallingtroll
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At least they are starting to show honorable behavior and poisoning themselves instead of the ocean.

Now cover those open pits to stop the air leaks.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:18 | 1169070 InconvenientCou...
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A frog with glassy eyes in a pot of hot water comes to mind.

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:19 | 1169076 Financial_Guard...
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There appears to be an abnormally high concentration of "glitches" with the measuring devices TEPCO uses. Is it me, or would ya think that measuring devices in and around a nuclear plant would be of the highest quality and tested regularly?

Are they doing a Wile E. Coyote and ordering all their equipment from the Acme Co.?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:20 | 1169085 Sweet Chicken
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I've wanted that bat suit he wore from Acme ever since I first saw it all those years ago!

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:57 | 1169780 Ruffcut
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Acme products don't work as claimed.

Meep meep

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:48 | 1169206 earnyermoney
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How would you go about "testing" these devices in their current environmental conditions? It's not like you can easily test a measuring device in a highly radioactive setting. Anyone know how these devices are tested to determine threshold to failure?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:00 | 1169519 Herman Strandsc...
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I heard that it was an American plant. Anyway we don't need no instruments to know that this is a FUBAR situation. I mean you don't look at the temp gage on the dashboard to tell if the vehicle's on fire.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:18 | 1169079 plocequ1
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Our Dollar is being killed today. Market is on its way to turning green.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:25 | 1169106 SDRII
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On the back of Yen unwind - go figure

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:23 | 1169107 SDRII
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On the back of Yen unwind - go figure

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:29 | 1169127 Cdad
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Sweet, isn't it?  Who needs earnings...or employees...or products.  Just devalue the dollar + ______ = profit!

The UnicornDew chart is about to turn and burn baby...and daddy needs a new pair of shoes!

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:32 | 1169130 mick_richfield
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Our dollar was killed in 1913.

Their dollar is being killed today.

Now, our dollar is coming back.  And it's pissed.

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:48 | 1169202 earnulf
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Considering Our Dollar is worth more than 30 of their dollars (based on silver prices), it has every reason to be pissed.   The fact that they have tried to keep their foot on silver's throat all these years just adds insult to injury

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:23 | 1169089 mynhair
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No worries; EOW is already priced in.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:23 | 1169091 americanspirit
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"toxic water has seeped from nearby reactor turbine buildings or elsewhere"

Dontcha love it - "or elsewhere". Where exactly would that 'elsewhere' be? And gosh, I thought that water was radioactive, not toxic. Oh well, I'm sure that with a few more bags of sawdust they'll be able to stop those pesky leaks, wherever they are.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:28 | 1169114 Cdad
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LOL!

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:08 | 1169547 TruthInSunshine
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There is a Mox mountain range about 11 clicks from Fukushima Daiichi, so the leaks could be runoff from those hilltops.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:24 | 1169094 RobotTrader
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TM, HMC, SNE are probably buys of the decade right now.

20-year bear markets don't last forever.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:45 | 1169197 Thunder Dome
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I would add CCJ and DNN.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:11 | 1169557 TruthInSunshine
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Robo went long Sony and Nikkei, circa 1989.

He'll break even soon. He's only down 74% in nominal terms and about 388% in real terms.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:48 | 1169208 hardcleareye
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Now that's funny.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:25 | 1169105 earlthepearl
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How has the Nikkei not dropped even further?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:30 | 1169112 Contra_Man
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Wanna go for lunch, Mate?  Sure... I'll drive.  Great, oh yeah..., what kind of car do you drive?  Mine is a brand new Japanese import model I just got a terrific July 4th Mgr special on - You?

  An import, eh...hum?  Well, mine is a brand new North American built car made with C.R.F.F.(TM) (Certified Radioactive-Free from Fallout) production materials.

     How about we take your car and you can drive?

http://www.zamg.ac.at/pict/wetter/sonderwetter/fuku/20110414_I-131_FUKU....

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:35 | 1169152 mick_richfield
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Joke all you want, but from what I hear everybody's dying for the new Toyota Sievert.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:05 | 1169281 Broker NotBroke
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and the 2 door "micro-Sievert"

 

Coming soon, world wide.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:46 | 1169962 Jan Modaal
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Mitsubishi delayed the introduction of the new Mitsubishi Tsunami.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:07 | 1169800 Ruffcut
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LOL, sounds like a hot car, indeed.

The accelerator doesn't stick anymore because it's melted to the floorboard.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:21 | 1169347 carbonmutant
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Everybody except the Russians...

49 cars from Japan with excess radiation stopped in RF's Far East

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=16151809&PageNum=0

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:28 | 1169117 JailBank
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There is no way this is true. The gubment told us not to worry.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:28 | 1169125 MSimon
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It rains. Radioactive debris on the ground enters the ground water.

STFP bitchez.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:36 | 1169126 mynhair
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Just 20 more cents, TNA......

10, good enough.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:33 | 1169135 treemagnet
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About now we're due for an avalanche of super technical ZH academics ready to nit pick the smallest detail of Tyler's post..3...2...1....

(Dylan said it best: Don't need a weatherman to say which way the wind blows)

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:22 | 1169342 MSimon
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Well there are plenty of folks who don't know nothing nit picking so why not have a few with knowledge pick at them?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:44 | 1169958 goldfish1
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About now we're due for an avalanche of super technical ZH academics ready to nit pick the smallest detail of Tyler's post..3...2...1....

Hell yes, a cup o' caffeine and an education.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:31 | 1169137 The Answer Is 42
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Japanese handbook on solving nuclear radiation crisis:

 

1. Use detectors with low high-reading limits, report the high-limit number when it's reached.

2. If radiation is high, raise radiation safety limit to higher.

3. If radiation is really high, throw away the faulty detectors.

4. If radiation is really really high, release into air, sea, wormhole.

5. If radiation is really rally really high, tell people "we are Japanese". This will surely solve the problem.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:27 | 1170434 VisualCSharp
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really rally really

Rally? DID YOU SAY RALLY? Coming right up!

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:31 | 1169138 Natasha Fatale
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This ends only one way: EPIC TRAGEDY.

And yet the MSM- in addition to most people with whom I speak about this- have all but forgotten about this and/or completely indifferent. It's quite surreal.

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:35 | 1169153 Matte_Black
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Same here.

They don't call shit like this 'unthinkable' for nothing, I guess. I never figured the word was literal rather than figurative though. 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 16:41 | 1170230 avonaltendorf
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Slightly off topic: Puts me in mind of those two sealed bags of videotape (one red, one yellow) hanging on the wall in the control room of every US television station. Been there since 1960-something, replaced occasionally because the VTR technology kept changing. You're supposed to open the yellow bag in the event of nuclear war. I don't know what the red one was for? Maybe to say goodbye. All very unthinkable.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:43 | 1169186 Tsunami Effect
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Yeah,  Obama hasn't said a word about this in forever.  Why do you think the MSM is over it?!?!?  If it were an issue for him, they'd make it one too.  Pathetic and really downright disgusting.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:01 | 1169258 Contra_Man
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We'll likely not hear anything more either if there is a convenient Gubbermint shutdown - and a stalled budget that effectively halts the Environmental Protection Agency and allows Congress to delightfully defund the EPA who is in charge of continental radiation measurement in the air and sea and drinking water.   Along with the SEC, the EPA is perfectly underfunded just as promised...

  Speaking of radiation measurement, (and the acute lack thereof) can someone please turn on a few "working order" airborne molecular particulate measuring devices in Florida?  It's been more than a month without RADNET actually doing any monitoring at all in Fla.  Where has the JetStream been for five weeks and counting... just as the flags signalling "Results Under Review" and "broken machines" seem rather permanent site fixtures - and likely an excuse.  

   Just wondering...

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:08 | 1169283 svc101
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He's not yet figured out a way to blame W for the disaster.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:42 | 1169945 goldfish1
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Obama is merely an announcer / puppet. What  he thinks is irrelevant and impotent.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:46 | 1169193 hardcleareye
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No need to panic the masses, there is nothing anyone can do to change the outcome. Igorance is bliss in this circumstance.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:44 | 1169447 treemagnet
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as long as you're watching this horror flick from across an ocean.  otherwise, get the hell outta there!

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:00 | 1169249 Monetative Easing
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While I am not certain this ends in epic tragedy (aside from the already tragic effects of the earthquake and tsunami on Japan and the impact of Fukushima on the surrounding areas), I agree that most people are focused elsewhere.  And its obvious why.

First, the information about this story is spotty at best and is sourced from people who have a vested interest in keeping a lid on things.  The last thing they want is to panic a large number of people who live in a very geographically constrained area.  

Furthermore, the Japanese authorities enjoy the luxury of the "invisibility" of the radioactive elements.  As the reporter who took that video driving up to the plant last week said, a person cannot sense radiation.  While the effects of this event may manifest themselves ina nasty way over time, the immediate impact is virtually nil.

Finally, aside from this site (and a few others), which features a bunch of off kilter folks looking for the next tail event, most people don't want to contemplate this story.  They want to check their portfolio on their iPads while playing Angry Birds.  They want to discuss Middle Eastern politics as if its about anything beyond oil, they want to update their Facebook status, they want to complain about American Idol results.  In short, they want to do anything other than focus on the real problems that face us and future generations:  the true cost of energy resources, excess leverage/fiat money, the nasty underbelly of globalization and the failure of true representative government model world-wide. 

No, don't want to hear about it...but let's discuss what Kate's bridesmaids are wearing for the reception...

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:34 | 1169914 goldfish1
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People aren't educated enough to know what to look for. The search engines are sanitzed to keep the sheep in the dark. Even if you find an artilce in google, it directs you to some weird off topic site.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:22 | 1169333 gall batter
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Google News "Top Stories" column doesn't include Fukushima.  If you click on "World", you find "earthquake" and that mouse click takes you to articles about the quakes.  No headlines about radiation.  

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1169187 nah
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our energy polution problems were almost taxable

.

hey yo lets trade nuclear waste credits lol the beast needs to feed

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1169188 Jack Burton
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 Don't tell Karl Denninger there are ongoing problems at Fukushima! His post today says that all that is left to do is a few hard but doable engineering techniques to clean up and entomb the reactors. At least Karl used the word entomb. I think he was at minumum forced to concede that this plant is toast.

I do not know nuclear engineering, Karl seems to believe the nuclear particles indicate all is well, and they all have half lives so short as to be of no concern.

In fact, near as I can tell, Karl has trashed TEPCO's own news releases as they do not jive with Karl's insite.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:03 | 1169272 pazmaker
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maybe Karl should hookup with Ann Coulter....

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:25 | 1169361 MSimon
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Coulter has at least heard of radiation hormesis.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 18:19 | 1170598 medicalstudent
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does not apply to internal emittors.

 

magnesium orotate - fact: mag is the shiz. speculation: dietary orotate could provide pyrimidine 'raw materials' for dna repair.

 

this is a long rabbit hole biologically.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:09 | 1169286 acrabbe
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again, you must have been recently introduced to denninger or you actually have been fooled into thinking he's worth listening to over the past few years. the guy is an idiot. no need to tell anyone here what he is saying. i understand your post is pointing out his lack of insight, but i don't see any need to publicize that idiots' views on a respectable site like ZH

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:55 | 1169497 Jack Burton
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 Very insightful post! Indeed, I have read Karl for a number of years, and I did credit him with some worth for quite some time. As I have read him over time, I have lost more and more respect for his views. Being a new poster on ZH I did not know Karl has already been well and truly trashed by the readership

What attracted me to post after reading ZH for some time is the majority of posters seem to really "get it", to understand what is really going on.

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:08 | 1169878 Ruffcut
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Thinking he is an engineer. He is an idiot. Go read the ticker fucker forum and hear what say about Tyler and ZH crowd. We are all fearmongering here as they deny there is any problems for fux news has dropped coverage.

And if you do not agree with the master of denialinger, you get the boot. Fucking blog tyranny and all freedom of speech is banned.

Oh and watch as this shit gets worse this dufukinger guy will get out by saying, "they didn't listen to my (stoopid) idea and it got fucked up. I TOLD YOU SO!"

He is as bad as any politician and full of as much shit.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:47 | 1170498 Jack Burton
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 Thanks for the information. I have never read the forum posts on Denningers blog. I have read ZH for a couple years and only recently began to read the forum posts. The posters for the most part are really in the realm of reality and evidence based thinking. They understand what kind of propaganda the Main Stream Media feeds out and think for themselves. So I was attracted to join the forum for that reason.

The fearmongers happen to be in the right and ZH was right out front in calling this mess out for what it really was. ZH did an impressive job with this Fukushima story from day 1. Obviously guys like Denninger come to this issue with a firm political agenda. In his case it is a blind support for nuclear power stations be they modern and well engineered or old and designed to be major failure candidates. Denninger refuses to accept evidence based conclusions. He is proving himself a first class idiot and tool in this matter.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:44 | 1169716 Bicycle Repairman
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"His post today says that all that is left to do is a few hard but doable engineering techniques to clean up and entomb the reactors."

Karl is a smart guy and his heart is in the right place, but he clearly doesn't understand that TEPCO probably still wants to save that fuel.  Entombment will not occur until then.  And, trolls please, do give me any of that it's too hot to entomb BS.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 23:17 | 1171300 parangwarrior
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Even ATS and GLP, those so called "doommongers" website have got it right compared to TF... aint that something..

there's one poster (on TF) using the nick Nukeengineer, he left after providing superb insights....

i think he was too doomerish for KD likings..

 

 

 

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 12:43 | 1169192 americanspirit
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Tragedy overload at work. Normal people have only so much empathy. Pretty soon they start either ignoring the victims of tragedies, or actually start blaming them. You can see it with doctors. If they can fix you right away they're just as friendly as can be. When they can't they start referring you around to their 'colleagues' If nobody can help you and you go back to your original doc and ask them for a different approach, they start distancing themselves bit by bit. They will never tell you to go away - the money is too good - but pretty soon they just put on a phoney compassionate face while all your instincts correctly tell you that they have either written you off or have convinced themselves that you are somehow to blame. Battle fatigue. Empathy fatigue. Compassion fatigue. All in the same class.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:24 | 1169619 Monday1929
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And they will write that "the patient failed the treatment". But, they will take all the credit for any cure. Just human.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:02 | 1169260 Natasha Fatale
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Every age is fed on illusions, lest men should renounce life early and the human race come to an end. -Joseph Conrad

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 16:25 | 1170148 kaiserhoff
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Nice.

The unexpected always happens.  

                      Also Conrad from Lord Jim 

                                 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:47 | 1170495 Natasha Fatale
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Another from Lord Jim:

"It's extraordinary how we go through life with eyes half shut, with dull ears, with dormant thoughts. Perhaps it's just as well; and it may be that it is this very dullness that makes life to the incalculable majority so supportable and so welcome."

 

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:12 | 1169294 no life
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The microbes eat it up.. poof, radiation disappears..
move along to Idol episode..

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:42 | 1169436 TruthInSunshine
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I wonder if the oil eating bacterium that also consumed lots of corexit are now consuming the Fukushima radiation.

I'd like to see a stained slide of those suckers under an electron microscope.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:57 | 1169423 TruthInSunshine
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I have sent a memo to the Japanese Government & TEPCO advising them against purchasing any further radiation meters, geiger counters, or instruments designed to measure radioactive isotopes of any kind from Harbor Freight or Big Lots.

 

Thank you.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 13:38 | 1169429 verum quod lies
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So now it's as bad as Chernobyl. Still not as bad as Chappaquiddick.

It's quite amazing - a few months ago in San Bruno, natural gas pipelines, for which the local utility PG&E could find no maintenance records, blew up. Several people were killed and many more suffered severe burns. The San Andreas fault is a few miles away. The Hayward fault runs right through the Berkeley football stadium. Most people living in the Bay Area have not even taken the basic precautions to prepare for a major earthquake. Yet people are worried that in the event of a huge eathquake on the Cascade subduction fault, that the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plants could be hit by a tsunami. (People ignore the fact that that superquake would wipe out Seattle.)

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:01 | 1169520 Jack Burton
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 What amazes one is to watch the many Japanese Earthquake videos and see how well most buildings stood up to such a powerful, though farily distant quake. From what I understand, Seattle would suffer several orders of magnitude worse damage than the earthquake reistant buildings the Japanese mandate. The tsunami washed many house away, but that revealed the incredible foundations these homes sat on that allow them to stand heavy shaking.

What seems in the cards after this part of the fault broke, is that now the stress is sitting more firmly on the zone of Tokyo. They are due for a big quake.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:03 | 1169525 flattrader
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There is also a fault line off the coast of CA near Diablo Canyon.

That plant has other worries than a Cascadian Subduction Zone quake.

I think we all realize that any quake and or tsunami in a given area can lead to significant loss of life and property destruction.  Eventually people pick up the pieces and move on after a few years.

With a severly disabled and spewing nuclear plant, the moving on becomes a matter of decades...generations...thousands of years...and can be permanent and indiscriminate depending on which way the wind blows and the rain falls.

There's still people suffering from cancer and dying in Sweden due to Chernobyl.  Their counties had rainstorms at the wrong time.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:17 | 1169838 goldfish1
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people are worried that in the event of a huge eathquake on the Cascade subduction fault, that the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plants could be hit by a tsunami

March 10, 2011

...people are worried that in the event of a huge earthquake on the Pacific Plate subduction fault, that the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plants could be hit by a tsunami

Hey, nuttin to worry 'bout.


Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:22 | 1169861 MSimon
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Are the fires still burning? Will there be cancer incidences from it?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:26 | 1169625 kaiserhoff
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So much that's not being said by the MSM.  Fuku II sits only 7.1 miles south of Fuku I.  When I'm drinking cheap beer, I can piss 7.1 miles downwind.  The way this has gone, how do we not get four more reactors involved?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:32 | 1169643 TruthInSunshine
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Fuku Daini is perfectly stable and safe, because there is this brilliant, competent and highly methodical organization that was managing it, called TEPCO (Tokyo Electric & Power Company), and they have stated all reactors there were shut down cold, and the smoke initially seen belching from one of the reactors was merely swamp gas.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:31 | 1169645 The Pets.com So...
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Even the anime will give you cancer now.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:33 | 1169648 Die Weiße Rose
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Stabilizing nuclear fuel could take long

Japanese nuclear scientists say if a cooling system can be put in place at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, stabilizing its nuclear fuel could take another 3 months.

The deputy head of the Atomic Energy Society of Japan, Takashi Sawada, released the projection by an informal group of 11 society members on Thursday.

He said data published by Tokyo Electric Power Company shows that parts of the fuel rods in reactors 1 and 3 have melted and settled at the bottom of the pressure vessels.

He said if the ongoing water injections continue, the current situation can be maintained.

He said Tepco's most important task is to remove all the contaminated water and rebuild a cooling water circulation system.

He said once these jobs are done, stabilizing the nuclear fuels could take 2 to 3 months, if not longer.

But he warned that the situation could deteriorate if another strong earthquake knocks out power to the plant and makes it impossible to keep the nuclear fuel cool for 2 or 3 days. That would destabilize temperatures and pressures inside the reactors, and the situation would become extremely unpredictable again.

Thursday, April 14, 2011 19:34 +0900 (JST)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/14_31.html

 

  ???????????  (shit--> fan)

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:42 | 1169709 kumquatsunite
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I like Karl; now on to the water supply...as in "water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink."

Let's add them up:

Japan...seeing radioactivity in the water. Hmm...ya'll can't envision the future headlines: Japan water supply radioactive. As in, really...containment on an island..I don't think so....

China...considered 100% polluted water supply. Ya'll eating any canned goods made in China...what is the source of the water used and/or where is any canned good processed. This must be required on the information printed on the can. And don't process in China and send to Russia for canning. I have been saying for years that the "where" the water comes from is critical, and saw Jamie Oliver mention it in passing last night. He is such a twerp. Why doesn't he start with the fatties with bad teeth in England if he wants to change people's diets? Don't ya hate it when people come here to tell us we are bad? Olivier is one of my least favorite people, ever. The English are known for their horrible eating habits. Go home, Jamie and come back when you've solved England!

India...now is finding "superbug" in the water supply. "the New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase (NDM-1) gene, which makes bacteria resistant to

an array of antibiotics, including the most powerful ones, has been found in open water pools, water from overflowing sewage and even a couple of drinking water samples in the Indian capital."
The water supply of India has long been known to be a harbor of bacteria. How long and what does it take for us to know where all the ingredients in our food is from? It's said that the soft drink manufacturers take much of the water from India for their products (Pepsi? Coke? just asking!)

And then we can take a look at just how smart Russia is. Lake Baikal, a fresh water lake considered the oldest and deepest and second largest fresh water lake in the world, is off limits in Russia. No swimming. No boating. No fishing. No nothing. So how smart are those Russians, protecting their water supply at all times, while we frack ours into oblivion with gas production.
When you have no water, as our settlers of this country knew, you have nothing.
Yesterday, The China Syndrome was on and in very simple language the actorit was explained to Jane Fonda that when the core containment unit is breached, you are gonna have a meltdown. 
Let's prepare by knowing, and by saying, never again, and remember, God Bless America. Nuclear is unsafe at any speed.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:08 | 1169815 goldfish1
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Baikal was one of the first regions to benefit from the new Russian government's reversal of decades of anti-environmental industrial policies. Since 1992 Lake Baikal and the entire surrounding area have been designated as a national park, and Baikal is today a naturalist's paradise and an idyllic holiday destination.


"When you have no water, as our settlers of this country knew, you have nothing."

Yes, you have depopulation.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:52 | 1170516 Natasha Fatale
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Cue Melanie's 'Animal Crackers' in 3...2...1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUy3P-3rf8Q

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 14:47 | 1169729 kumquatsunite
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OH, one last item from The China Syndrome: The movie actors also stated that theproblem with Locating Nuclear Reactors near any ocean or sea is that "salt water eats through everything." In otherwords, you cannot create a containment unit that will not be eaten away at by the salt water in the air. Now bear in mind that they were throwing massive amounts of seawater on the reactors to cool them. 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 15:28 | 1169895 MSimon
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The US Navy has been operating reactors on ships for 50+ years. You just have to keep chlorine out of the reactor water and the steam plant  feed water.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:10 | 1170347 The Heart
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Looks like things are not going as planned.

Japan Plant Emits More Radiation After Cooling Lapse:

http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20110414_5466.php

Much appreciation for all the good hearts posting relevant info here.

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:12 | 1170370 Buck Johnson
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Look out for Tokai further to the south, they had a radiation spike at that reactor.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:15 | 1170372 patb
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most likely the core in Rac 3 is developing hot spots.

 

Giant salt mass, with heat on one side,  when it breaks out, it will slag the rac

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 17:43 | 1170482 Lapri
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I just found another hilarious number. Reactor 2's pressure vessel temperature is now minus 116 degrees celsius.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-2s-rpv...

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 18:03 | 1170550 medicalstudent
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reverse osmosis.

 

polimaster.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 20:46 | 1170948 The Heart
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This is still so amazing when you see these forces involved that we have all heard of and few have actually experienced like the Japanese folks have. The powerful force that completely wipes towns off the map is hard to imagine until you have actually seen it. Check it out.

Latest Home Video of Tsunami and Earthquake:

http://www.japannewstoday.com/?p=3073

 

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 23:43 | 1171315 Element
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And this is where a potential underground convection circulation around the buildings, expressed as steaming ground (especially after rain) can come about if a core eventually gets out the foundation and heats the surrounding sediments for a year, or five.

You can't hose it to cool it and can’t work near it, and can't effectively cap it with any sealant that won’t be quickly breached.

If you’re real lucky you just get massive sea-water contamination and no steam.

In which case it would be a good idea to continuously spray fine clay particles or a clay slurry into the water-column and a flocculant near the plant to force precipitation, as the radioactive ions will bind easily to this clay fast, and can settle out if the water is isolated from the open sea and waves.

i.e. build a large fully enclosing seawall lagoon (most of it is already there) to catch the sediment and slow the free propagation and spreading. Plus they need to stop constantly using new seawater, then just letting it escape into open water – reuse the water in the lagoon … or consider just stopping its use … except in SFP pools of course (and use fresh for that).

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