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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:14 | 1136297 AC_Doctor
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TEPCO's management should be stripped to their Pingu boxer shorts and locked in the fucking reactor buildings.  WHERE IS THE LEADERSHIP? These trajedy/clusterfuck is going to affect American's for years and we just sit around and take this shit?

Screw the people so that the Nikkei doesn't crash-this is sick fucking shit.  Let's see what the Japanese people think when the offshore trade winds start to blow onshore!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:15 | 1136316 Mae Kadoodie
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Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Japs irradiated Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:08 | 1136551 Ident 7777 economy
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TEPCO's management should ...

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This is beyond ridiculous ... govt should be stepping in stat and dictating the direction to take and then effecting said direction ... our militarily's take-charge attitude when we were doing nuclear cleanup work as a result of unfortunate accidents in the 50's and 60's should be the model (re: the "SL-1 Incident")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:32 | 1136635 skipjack
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"govt should be stepping in"

 

Are you a total fool ?  Since when has Japan's (or any other country's) government cared more about the average person than the state of their bank account(s) ???????

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:56 | 1136768 Ident 7777 economy
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Are you a total fool ?  

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Cite me the authority besides TEPCO that could get things done ..

Did you read what took place with the SL-1 Incident?

(No, you probably didn't ... and I suppose you like TEPCO's progress to date)

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:47 | 1137109 Dental Floss Tycoon
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Gov. vs. TEPCO? You get fucked either way.

Govment does not use KY jelly.  That's about the only difference.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:50 | 1138948 PuppetRepubl1c
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As much as people distrust the government there is no avoiding the fact that the government is the only entity with the resources necessary to clean up a nuclear meltdown.  There is simply no other option, whether people like it or not.

 

someone recently posted this link to the documentary "The Battle for Chernobyl" (which is a fantastic look into the reality of a nuclear meltdown)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o

 

if you watch that you will realize the military is the only viable option when cleaning up a disaster of this magnitude.

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:44 | 1139123 avonaltendorf
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I agree. US Navy + SDF grunts

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 13:07 | 1137616 Milestones
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Oh yea, have the gobbermint step in like ours did in the B.P. fiasco--which still is not over and is still being covered up and we are about to give B.P. another shot at yet another well in the Gulf. Talk about a bunch of imbiciles.

I understand the scale of the problems are not the same-yet, but the routine is the same. The japanese are sitting on their friggin hands just like us. All of us a bunch of bobblehead dolls while the $$ boys laugh.       Milestones

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:41 | 1136692 sschu
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...govt should be stepping in...

No offense, but this is the mantra we will be hearing for the next several years (more or less depending on events).  The crisis(s) has become political, meaning that the people want solutions (budget, MENA, Japan, taxes, etc), and they are demanding that the politicians "fix it".

Of course the problems cannot be solved or the pain to solve them is entirely too high.

Soon the problems will be ours, the people's, and the we will be in the People Crisis phase.  Then we know then end is near.

With credit to another ZHer:

1. Financial Crisis

2. Sovereign Crisis

3. Political Crisis - - we are here somewhere

4. People Crisis

sschu

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:55 | 1136776 Ident 7777 economy
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No offense, but this is the mantra we will be hearing for the next several years (more or less depending on events).  

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Right; as if, TEPCO is doing an OUTSTANDING job huh?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 13:43 | 1137771 sschu
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Right; as if, TEPCO is doing an OUTSTANDING job huh?

Not saying this at all, if you read my post you would get my point.

This is the issues are not fixable given our present approach and the nature of the problems.  TEPCO sucks, but it is foolhardy to think the "government" can fix these things.  They lack the tools and resources, but most important the will. 

In a general sense, people can fix their own problems, maybe by just finding ways to no longer make them problems.  If you ask the government to fix it, I promise you that the problem will get worse, it will cost exorbitant amounts of money and people will get hurt.  A cursory look at our situation exposes this fallacy of government solutions, poverty is the classic example.

sschu 

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 13:55 | 1137813 kingtoots
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Are you some kind of Guru? This sounds like some kind of New Age cant: "people can fix their own problems, maybe by just finding ways to no longer make them problems." 

What are people supposed to do yoga to fight radiation or something?

Can you be more specific about what your plan is?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 14:29 | 1137976 Zardinuk
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What we need is a dirt bomb, like in scorched earth. Ah damn, nobody has invented that yet.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:22 | 1138636 davepowers
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I keep hoping that back in the day somebody like GE had decided there was money to be made (as in govt. contracts to be won and exploited) toward developing a 'busted reactor suppression ' device.

A 20 Mule Team Borax weapon.

Or maybe they just got the contract and the money, but didn't finish the thing.

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 14:44 | 1138037 sschu
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This sounds like some kind of New Age cant

Uh no, actually not New Age, but I used to like to listen to Yanni back in the 1980s.  :-)

The TEPCO/Japan thing will take enourmous resources and effort, and it will fall on the government to make it happen.  But the horse is far out of the barn.  Do you really expect that whatever solution they implement will be satisfactory or effective?

My point is from a larger perspective, one where we stop looking to government to solve our problems, because as the past 100 years has shown, it just does not work.  The die was cast 40 years ago for Japan when they decided to build these reactors on a fault line.  All government regulated and approved. 

Our crime (and punishment) is letting someone else take responsibility for our lives.

sschu

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 15:03 | 1138125 kingtoots
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Again, I have no idea what this means, it is some kind of hand waving tautaulogy. "If we don't do bad things, bad things won't happen". That's a heck of a way to run a railroad.

Again, what do you suggest happen in this instance or even going forward? 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:18 | 1138852 sschu
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Again, I have no idea what this means, it is some kind of hand waving tautaulogy. "If we don't do bad things, bad things won't happen".

The only entities big enough to "do something" about Fukushima are governments.  But the governments had a serious hand in creating this mess by regulating and approving the project.  So do not expect the governments to do any better in the disaster cleanup phase of this project.  Not sure why this idea is so difficult to grasp.

Also, not trying to be trite or insulting, but maybe take a peak at the original founding ideas of the US and realize how far we have strayed from this path.  Personal responsibility, freedom, limited government, decentralized control and true capitalism (not the crony capitalism we have now) will provide much better results over time. 

Yes, yes, we know, the journey has been less than perfect.  Maybe pick up a Bible and read about Adam, it just might give some insight into the nature of man.  But as is often the case, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

sschu 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:16 | 1139018 kingtoots
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I give up. I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me. I'm having difficulty grasping what you are saying because it is nihilistic. You appear to state that all action will fail. If you go into life like that, I pity you and I don't want you in my platoon. I like can-do kind of people.

I think you mean "peek" and not "peak".

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:58 | 1139169 sschu
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... this makes no sense to me ...

I suggest the Bible and the US Constitution plus the founding documents and you cannot grasp them?  These are anything but negative and discouraging references.

Not sure what else to suggest, but best of luck on your search for the truth!

sschu

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:11 | 1139496 kingtoots
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I suppose it is a sign of our times that when I ask for possible solutions to a nuclear disaster, people recommend the Bible and the American Constitution and tell me to look for the "truth".

I'm an engineer. I'll stick to a book on nuclear engineering and project planning, thanks.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 10:53 | 1140839 sschu
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... I'm an engineer ...

Gosh, I would have never known.  I likewise have an engineering degree and actually practiced the trade for a number of years.  Speaking as one and in my experience, engineers are unique in their simultaneous brilliance and foolishness.  :-)

You frankly missed the points of my posts entirely.  There will be a "solution" to the Fukushima situation, it will entail some complex and elaborate technical plans and will will be effective in reducing (but not eliminating) the effects of catastrophic and ill advised decisions made over the last 40 years.  The engineers will do a good job and their efforts will be appreciated.  Governments will get involved and make the process slower,  much more expensive and will extend the effort for decades, because that is what governments do. 

If you want to call this a "solution", so be it.

The answers to our problems are not in government, quite the contrary.  Hopefully someday you will open your eyes a bit.

I am done with this discussion, best of luck!   

sschu 

 

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 15:57 | 1138354 naughtius maximus
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ZH talks about the fukushima 50. The soviets used 500,000 men (ten thousand times the manpower) to stabilize the chernobyl powerplant. That is what it is going to take and obviously Japan does not have the will the soviets had. If this was happening where I live I'd be volunteering for the stablilzation task. This is my home, our land, our lives and the lives our our decendants. It would be dishonerable to just do nothing.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 15:23 | 1138206 RonnieHonduras
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Let's just cut to the chase:  Governments of the world provide cover for the TEPCOs of the world, assuring us that the regulators are on the job, while the TEPCOs do as they will by plowing $$$$$ to the governments who accept quid-pro-quo the cash for a blind eye.

 

That is the nature of governments.  People trust them too much.  Trust but verify does not work with governments who don't want anything about their inner workings disclosed. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:03 | 1138571 anonnn
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 Well, TEPCO did say readings were "over" 1000 millisieverts, etc.

Is TEPCO still partnering in building the new Texas nukes? They were touted as leaders in personnel training and safety based on Japanese obedience and Emperor worship and Royal Wedding artifacts.

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:11 | 1136869 Rossalgondamer
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Smothered and Covered in less than a month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZHFK0vWKpU

1)I do not advocate bunker buster technology. Sappers are more accurate.
2)Remove as much intact spent fuel to Mushu
2)Load the site with surface boron before the shot if you like.
3)Shake-no-stir
4)Yes water will initially flood the new tidal basin(s) - cooling and coverage
5)Start dike /seawall containment and surface-cap mitigation

The blast covers the site while dropping it below the waterline - minimizing contact and flows. You can then remote-float pre-positioned barges over the ponds to deliver concrete. The USDOE nuke computers can match seismology/geology/pyrotechnics to avoid ripping japan in two - maybe?

Plowshare it now - or - keep pissing on it for a decade (or two....)

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 14:36 | 1138001 Zardinuk
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You know it's actually worth considering a nuclear bomb a few thousand feet below the reactor. It is already going to ruin the groundwater, might as well deal with the atmospheric radiation, this video ough to demonstrate what I mean well enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1f6vbiuUt0

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:57 | 1137185 US Uncut
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Video showing 5 & 6. Watch man cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7uGvW8xvY

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 14:52 | 1138055 Homey Da Clown
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Plan to cover Fukushima reactors with sheets will not happen until September at the earliest — Trying to stem “possible surges in radiation levels or further explosions”

A plan to cover damaged reactor buildings at the crisis-hit Fukushima nuclear plant with special sheets to halt radiation leakage cannot offer a quick remedy, as the sheeting will be installed in September at the earliest due to high-level radioactivity hampering work at the site, government sources said Tuesday. …

They said workers need to wait until radiation levels drop at the site, where hydrogen explosions have blown away the roofs and upper walls of three reactor buildings. …

 

SHEETS????? That's their plan? We're doomed.

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:15 | 1136307 Herman Strandsc...
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I'd be crying if I lived there with my wife and children. Then I'd get angry if we were too late to be evacuated - at Tepco expense. If you have lost everything then you have nothing more to lose and you lose it.

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:39 | 1136668 MJ
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Good thing there aren't many guns in Japan (at least for the clowns in gov't).

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:13 | 1139363 StychoKiller
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Still a crapton of long cutlery in Japan...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:35 | 1137025 tsx500
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G Celente

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:13 | 1136315 yabyum
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They have to lie. To tell the truth would cause  panic in the streets, and would be a swift kick in the balls for their economy and others (USA)

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:59 | 1136502 writingsonthewall
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...but only the stupid believe that hiding from your problems actually solves them!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:48 | 1136719 Ethics Gradient
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It solves the problem of where to put the refugees: leave them at home so they don't become refugees....

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:23 | 1136327 Serfs Up
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I love the approach you are taking.

And if you make it 180 days, and I'll like it even better.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:25 | 1136353 umop episdn
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Thank you for your humorous response to the worthless and likely paid-for post above yours. It was much better than my response! I certainly hope that 'person' learns about grammar and syntax during their absense as it is quite difficult to imagine a person with a triple-digit IQ making so many mistakes. This degrades the non-credibility of trolls everwhere even further.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:25 | 1136367 cossack55
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I think he has typo problems. His moniker was supposed to be IQ 14.5

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:59 | 1136497 TerraHertz
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Nah, it's just the usual units/milli/micro confusion. IQ0.000145

All those zeros, so confusing.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:44 | 1136440 TruthInSunshine
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IQ -45 has obviously already been exposed to exceedingly high levels of radiation, as it has caused his tongue to become forked.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:03 | 1136528 medicalstudent
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denial is initial.

 

then anger...

 

then... who cares. this is effed.

 

cognitive resources should need to be used constructively. lets find a way to absorb those neutrons. the north american grain belt is at stake, the worlds food supply.

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:42 | 1136696 goldfish1
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save yourselves!

how?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 12:45 | 1137501 DoChenRollingBearing
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Southern Hemisphere.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:23 | 1136330 Serfs Up
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<Dupe Post>

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:29 | 1136380 Bicycle Repairman
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"See you in ninety days."

Does unemployment pay better than your pro-nuclear bot gig?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:35 | 1136403 Caviar Emptor
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How bout some milk and sushi for your lunch? A reactor in your backyard? 

Don't be fooled. US media is on a near bad-news-blackout since 9/11. You have to get the real story from foreign news sources. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:46 | 1136446 Imminent Crucible
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Sad to say, the UK Guardian is far more reliable than our corporate-shill media.

And that's for coverage of U.S. news.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:49 | 1136431 AN0NYM0US
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IQ you're less than a week away from your one year anniversary here at ZH and you post a comment like that. I wouldn't be surprised if TD takes you off the free ZH Tee Shirt list that we all receive on our one year anniversary.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:44 | 1136697 Vernon Wormer
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Really? We get a shirt?

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