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Fukushima Raised To Level 6 On INES Scale: Now Officially More "Serious" Than 3 Mile Island

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According to Asahi Shimbun which is quoting the Japan NRC, the Fukushima event has just surpassed Three Mile Island in terms of seriousness, and has been upgraded from Level 5 "Accident with Wider Consequences" to Level 6 "Serious Accident." Only Chernobyl is a Level 7 event. We believe Fukushima should get there within 2 weeks as ever more of the current devastation becomes public. Of course, all of this is a paper-pushing formality. What isn't, are people who may be developing serious diseases as the government continues to misrepresent the severity of the situation.

Source: W7VOA

 


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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Bleeping Fed
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"Serious Accident" just doesn't come close as a description...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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Isn' that the point?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:42 | Link to Comment What does it al...
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kyodo reported that reactor #3 vessel is confirmed breached by the Japanese Government. EOD.

NEWS ADVISORY: Reactor vessel of Fukushima plant No. 3 unit may have been damaged: Gov't panel

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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See the video I posted. No. 2 is breached also.

They're rolling out the admissions of what many have said very slowly.

I wonder how far the radiation in the water and at ground level has really migrated.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:11 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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I wonder how far the radiation in the water and at ground level has really migrated.

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Through rock?

Or is that s sandy shoreline; looks like the entire site was cut back into the rock there at the shore ...

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:13 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Water travels right through rock. It gets slowed down, and particulate gets filtered ( not radiation, unfortunately), but rock acts like a sieve.

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Water travels right through rock. ...

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Riiiiight ...

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:18 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Look up 'porosity' and 'permeable' and get back to me.

Most rock types are sedimentary, thus they have porosity and are permeable.

There are a few rock types that are not permeable, but they are more rare.

If you've been out west, say to Nevada, you will understand that much of the ground water has actually leached through lots and lots of bedrock and limestone.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:25 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Look up 'porosity' and 'permeable' and get back to me.

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Riiiiight ...

 

(I see some wide sweeping 'assumptions' in your thinking and logic; 'handy generalizations' I think they call them)

 

Is that why they're doing all the 'fracking' just to get nat gas?

 

'All rocks are permeable' ... riiiight ....

 

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:33 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Way to misquote me dumbfuck.

I said most types of rock are water permeable. I didn't say "all rocks are."

Why am I even wasting time discussing this with a moron like you, who can't differentiate the difference between natural gas (a gas, duh) and a liquid such as water?

Did you know that a gas has molecules spread much further apart than a liquid, thus making it far less permeating than liquids are?

Tell you what - fill your house with nat gas and then fill it with water, and let me know how that works out.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:33 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Way to misquote me dumbfuck.

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Who misquoted - I paraphrased ... know the difference?

I think you're using wide, sweeping generalizations anyway and can be proven wrong once I start citing proper references ...

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:38 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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You didn't "paraphrase," you stated the opposite of my quote, you fucking imbecile.

Fuck off, wanker.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Nice ... back to 7th grade physics for you ...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:48 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Nuking the site with a ground burst would make all this moot, and then we could get on with evaluating the actual effects of full vaporisation of several reactors.    This would be good to add to our database of effects already understood from setting off over a thousand fision and fusion based bombs in the atmosphere since 1945.    In idiocracy speak, y'alls shit is like, all fucked up.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:22 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Nuking the site with a ground burst ...

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You know, you're onto something; but maybe  it needs to be an underground nuke ... maybe four, one for each reactor/turbine building complex (since the turbine bldgs not contain radioactive cooling/seawater) ... create a large enough 'void' for each to crater into (although it wouldn't be quite as simple as all that) ...

 

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 02:19 | Link to Comment the mad hatter
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On a side note, saying INES Scale is like saying ATM Machine. It is a little redundant redundant.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Jeff Lebowski
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And you find yourself qualified to correct others?

This isn't an episode on your Saturday morning cartoons, you realize that, right?  An underground nuke would do what?  Disperse radioactive material into the atmosphere or ground water?

Oh, that's right.  You said it would create a large enough void to crater into?  Pray tell where the material removed from the void would go?  It just disappears?

Fail.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 04:44 | Link to Comment fredquimby
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No need to nuke the actual site.

Japan sits on a ridge right above a 20,000ft drop off. If you look at the location of all of the recent quakes, they are not on the subduction fault line, they are within the bedrock between the fault and Japan, under and west of Japan.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WPm8NJK8SgA

 

There are people who take the movement of Japan to the East:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-12/world/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth_...

And the movement of Japan downwards (sinking) after the quake:

www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?215895-Japan-Sinks-after-8.9-quake-Tsunam...

as confirmation Japan is in a precarious situation and the whole ridge is filling with water prior to collapse.

If the reactors go into meltdown, I would imagine nature will be aided and abetted by the submarine sat at the base of that cliff face that will fire a couple of fat ones at the wall, and the reactors (et al.) will be in under 20,000 ft in seconds. End of problem.

If I were the USA, I know I would have a submarine sat there. Maybe even 3.

I guess it is not a new idea though.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Sinks

For a visual of where actually the Japan quakes are happening within this bedrock ledge have a gander at dutchsinse on YT:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WPm8NJK8SgA

 


 

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 06:25 | Link to Comment whoopsing
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Great link fred!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 07:14 | Link to Comment fredquimby
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How about slide 13 to help show what I mean??!!

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/Tohoku2011.ppt

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:06 | Link to Comment disfiguredskating
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Best exchange.  Ever.  I like you both.  Though, if we ever had beers it would be like when the four racists got together at the White House over beers...a lot of pretending shit was OK.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:43 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Normally, I try not to be so dick-ish, but his total arrogance in telling me water I've drank that filtered down through limestone 40 miles from the Colorado River was a hallucination, not to mention that he was misquoting me, pissed me off.

I'm actually pissed off about the Japanese crisis, because it's obvious that tens of millions of Japanese are being lied to about the most fundamental matters concerning their well-being and that of their children.

WilliamBanzai said something two days ago that affected me: "Imagine the mothers in Japan who have no access to bottled water, and have to choose between putting tap water in the rice cooker, or not having their kids eat the next morning." And this is most likely just the start.

Thanks for that geological map, Jim and Phatty.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:50 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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When you're talking rates through sand vs 'bedrock' versus limestone for instance: there are differences ... 'k? Don't need that explained ...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 03:50 | Link to Comment disfiguredskating
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I agree about the mothers.  When I put my kids to bed at night I hold them and pray I never have to make those choices.  I often take for granted that the hardest part of my day involves which fast food place will win my business. 

The two of you can argue but consider:

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 07:34 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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You're an idiot mate - water always finds a way through, over or under.

Otherwise everytime it rained we'd all be drowning.

 

If the rock isn't permeable under fukushima then it will run off into the sea.

Back to 1st grade geography for you pal.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 08:43 | Link to Comment FreeMoney Bernie
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Now now I want you to apologize and to show that you really mean it give him a 1 way ticket to Tokyo

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:40 | Link to Comment PhattyBuoy
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It is a beautiful sandy beach ... no rock!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:50 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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http://www.marscigrp.org/japan.jpg

Here, somebody figure out what the plant is sitting on...kinda busy...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Looks like it may be sedimentary .. need to verify using Imagej the color code ...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:06 | Link to Comment PhattyBuoy
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I looked at it with google earth extensively ... you can go up the beach and sit for lunch.

Neogene Sedimentary

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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"Hello, McFly - is that you?"

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:49 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Could be neogene sedimentary, could be igneous. They scraped away the quaternary and poured concrete. We need the original civil engineering plans (in English, prease). Runoff is contaminating the ocean. I think the rest is airborne. Most of the surrounding province is impermeable igneous and metamorphic. They sited this nuclear power station in an appropriate spot IMO.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 02:03 | Link to Comment TheMerryPrankster
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Yeah I guess God or the Universe fucked up by putting that subduction zone so close to that perfectly sited nuclear power station.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 09:54 | Link to Comment BigJim
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LOL

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 02:26 | Link to Comment PhattyBuoy
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:47 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Did you know that a gas has molecules spread much further apart

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You're addressing center to center distances ... the molecules themselves are different, much smaller, CH4 - One carbon and four Hydrogen ... H2O has one Oxygen and two Hydrogen ... then look up their weights and atomic numbers ... is CH4 much smaller/larger  ?

 

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 19:33 | Link to Comment AssFire
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Yes, It's natural water filtering is what makes Jack Daniels a great product.. well that and the square bottle design that keeps it from rolling out from under my seat when I stop the car quickly.

That being said I am too old for that shit so I stick to the Belevedere.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 07:14 | Link to Comment HardwoodAg
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Take a few varied rocks. Submerge them for a day in a pool, toilet, pond..whatever. Now blast them with a torch.

 

If they blow up, they were porous. Or you can just do a simple before and after weighting.

 

But exploding rocks is much more exciting

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment naughtius maximus
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I take it you've never been inside of a basement.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:11 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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BERLIN – Germany is determined to show the world how abandoning nuclear energy can be done.

The world's fourth-largest economy stands alone among leading industrialized nations in its decision to stop using nuclear energy because of its inherent risks. It is betting billions on expanding the use of renewable energy to meet power demands instead.

The transition was supposed to happen slowly over the next 25 years, but is now being accelerated in the wake of Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant disaster, which Chancellor Angela Merkel has called a "catastrophe of apocalyptic dimensions."

 

Are they trying to kill her now?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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BERLIN – Germany is determined to show the world how abandoning nuclear energy can be done.

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Hype; I thought that they were going to inspect those stations they were presently taking down is all.

 

Boston Globe excerpt:

Nuclear power has been very unpopular in Germany ever since radioactivity from Chernobyl drifted across the country. A center-left government penned a plan a decade ago to abandon the technology for good by 2021, but Merkel’s government last year amended it to extend the plants’ lifetime by an average of 12 years. That extension was put on hold after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami compromised nuclear power plants in Japan, and is being reevaluated as the safety of all of Germany’s nuclear reactors is being rechecked.

 

 

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:20 | Link to Comment What does it al...
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As reported elsewhere on this thread.  (earlier, actually by TWORIVER and Plumplechook.)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/index.html

Rolling headlines...  Future not moving.  BofJ and G7 with 100 Trillion yen holding it steady.  Good luck to all.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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So, the three (3) audible booms we heard on the video tape when reactor #3 went, is (probably) the detonations of the following reactor building #3 structures:

 

1) The external Building (evidenced by big fireball on south side)

2) The Light-bulb shaped drywell/containment structure

3) The Reactor vessel proper: causes the dark mushroom 'cloud' seen on the video that rises quickly

 

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Unit 5 looking shaky:

"Workers were also trying to fix a pump using an outside power source that had been pumping seawater into the No. 5 reactor, but which stopped Wednesday night.

Figures obtained from instruments indicate that between half to one-third of the approximately 4-meter long fuel rods are exposed, but TEPCO officials do not know what the actual situation is like."

-Asahi Shinbun

http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103240180.html

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Still no idea what is actually going on in the cores:

"TEPCO officials continue to insist that the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors' containment vessels are sound, even after the outer buildings were damaged due to hydrogen explosions. They also believe that there was no major damage to the No. 2 reactor even though an explosion likely occurred in the suppression pool that lies under the containment vessel.

A TEPCO official said if there had been significant damage "the radiation levels would not have been what was measured so far."

However, there is data that points to partial damage of the core.

One is the detection of radioactive cesium in the outer atmosphere. Cesium is a by-product of nuclear fission involving uranium.

Steam was also released into the atmosphere to prevent damage to containment vessels in which pressure had increased. However, because the steam passes through water, there is a low possibility that cesium was emitted through the release of steam.

There are also questions about what part of the core has been damaged.

According to sources, the weakest link within the core is the sealing material that fills in the space between the containment vessel and airlock door that is opened to enter the core for inspections.

TEPCO officials admit it is possible that other small parts that connect various pieces of equipment may have been damaged."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Have you seen the pressure reports (for reactor and containment vessels) in this report:

http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/index.php

 

Like this report:

http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1301017578P.pdf

 

#3 Pressure / Temperature of the Reactor Pressure Vessel -- UNKNOWN

#3 Containment Vessel Pressure -- Decreasing after increase in Mar., 20th

#3 Reactor pressure (24th 18:00) (A) 0.038MPaG, (B) -0.101MPaG

#3 CV pressure (24th 18:00) 0.107MPaabs

Note: .107 MPascals absolute = approx 14. 7 PSI which is atmospheric press.

 

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:19 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Yes, but haven't looked for a couple of days.  They need to update unit 5.

Only one of six pressure indicators for units 1-3 reads 'stable'. 

And how's this for a small sign of how FUBAR'd everything is:

"Following the radiation exposure incident, the nuclear agency ordered the utility known as TEPCO to improve radiation management at the power station, where Japan's worst nuclear crisis is unfolding. The operator began removing the highly radioactive water from the site."

Hunh?!??!  They are still just slowly moving from thing 1 to thing 2 to thing 23 as dozens of other things continue to evolve, erode, decay, react, wear, move, weaken, embrittle, encrust (salt crystals), and irradiate all around.  They have one main line--try out the pumps--and if that takes a week or a few weeks, that's what it takes. 

They still have no idea what's even in those buildings.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:26 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Sadly, for them, I have to agree; they seemingly have no idea what's going on ...

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 08:15 | Link to Comment MSimon
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The clue for core damage is I131. There is not much of it in cores/spent fuel that has been shut down for 90 days.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:38 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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?"Japan's nuclear safety agency says it is highly likely that the No. 3 reactor of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has been damaged, leading to the leak of high levels of radiation."

Scrolling headline from http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/index.html

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:33 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Further affirmation from The New York Times, and if the NYT is reporting it, it's going live on MSM stateside tomorrow:

Japan Worries of Breached Reactor 15 minutes ago
Japan Raises Possibility of Breach in Reactor VesselBy DAVID JOLLY and HIROKO TABUCHI Published: March 25, 2011

TOKYO — Japan’s effort to contain the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant suffered a setback, an official said on Friday,  citing evidence that the reactor vessel of the No. 3 unit may have been damaged.

The development, described at a news conference by Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director-general of the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, raises the possibility that radiation from the mox fuel in the reactor — a combination of uranium and plutonium — could be released.

One sign that a breach may have occurred in the reactor vessel, Mr. Nishiyama said, took place on Thursday when three workers who were trying to connect an electrical cable to a pump in a turbine building next to the reactor were injured when they stepped into water that was found to be significantly more radioactive than normal in a reactor. The No. 3 unit, the only one of the six reactors at the site that uses the mox fuel, was damaged by a hydrogen explosion on March 14. Workers have been seeking to keep it cool by spraying it with seawater along with a more recent effort to restart the reactor’s cooling system.

In another development on Friday, the Japanese government said it would help people who wish to leave the area around the crippled plant, a sign that efforts to reassure frightened residents have failed to persuade people to stay.

There is no evacuation order for a zone from 12 to 19 miles around the nuclear plant, the chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, said in a televised news conference, but officials recognize that some people may wish to leave and it will assist them. The government has ordered all people living within about 12 miles of the plant to evacuate, but has only advised those in the outer zone to stay indoors.

So, they're talking Mox and Plutonium, publicly, now. The genie is out of the MSM bottle.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Mae Kadoodie
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Since there are six seperate reactors each in it's own distress shouldn't this read like, "major accident to the sixth power"?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Larry Darrell
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I was thinking similarly.

With the sheer AMOUNT of spent fuel lying around, if things continue to deteriorate (seems likely), the current scale can't quantify what will be coming.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:42 | Link to Comment 10kby2k
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Been saying all along that the goal of the heroic 50/150 was to stabilize things enough that they could bring in some real manpower and equipment and entomb these reactors. I sure hope they can pull it off before it goes level 7.

The government upgrades it slowly so there isn't the shock factor and people become desensitized.

I still want to see what the engineers plan for entombment and how many mile radius japan loses forever. Japan is just too small to have a permenant radioactive wasteland of the magnitude I envision.

They need to pull out all the stops now that its level 6 and embrace all world ideas.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:58 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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"When you get to the top of the mountain...keep climbing"

--Zen proverb

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:07 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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CHIBA, SAKTAMA AND IBARAKI all have contaminated water according to Japan Times.

 

As of now, surface contamination is very high as far as 70km outside of Fukushima Daiichi, and in fact, ground level contamination is higher than CHERNOBYL HOTSPOTS were 40km outside of Fukushima Daiichi.

Experts are already warning of widespread contamination 200 kilometers from Fukushima Daiichi, and that zone will only grow given that the Reactor at No 2 has been breached, there are 6 to 8 core rod failures in at least 3 reactors, there is 'building wake effect' occurring, and that there is 'ground level disbursement' of radiation at the facility, as the disbursement towers can't be run (they've detected massive clouds of noble gas radiation 30km away) - see video I linked below.

This does not include water or airborne contamination.

This is why every foreign embassy and private company was discreetly warned and discreetly shipped all their staff out of Japan, and charter flights were running nonstop.

Here is Arnie Gunderson, a nuclear scientist with Fairewinds Energy, explaining how bad things are, from a technical perspective, in a short video (posted yesterday):

At 40 kilometers from Fukushima Daiichi, surface contamination levels in Japan of 0.9 MegaBequerels per square meter; higher than Chernobyl "hotspots"

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment chump666
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You are a 100% correct re: flights out for embassy and foreign companies.

The 'delayed' meltdown of the Fukushima rectors is poisoning the Japanese people and now Singapore (food radiation levels in Japanese imports spiked).

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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You know, you're a real mensch and all but what is it with the Arnie Gunderson videos?  And what is Fairewinds Energy?  Do they serve the lutes, jousting and turkey legs crowd?

Honestly curious...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I've posted it thrice today, as I just came across it today. I have no connection.

If you watch the video, he states that all his claims come from data provided by the IAEA. That's the scary part. I guess one just needs to know where to look.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:34 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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all good...thx for the response.  Guy seems qualified enough to listen to, usual salt lick in hand of course.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:54 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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This is true. Not only Gunderson has reacted to the IAEA data. There also other experts mentioning these high numbers and are also refering to the IAEA.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Bearish News
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"Japan is just too small to have a permenant radioactive wasteland of the magnitude I envision."

Same thing I been thinking about... Shitty. I'm somewhat pessimistic by nature (obv), but this just seems like a really tough problem to solve. All those reactors, and the spent fuel, oy.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:02 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Since there are six seperate reactors each in it's own distress shouldn't this read like, "major accident to the sixth power"?

No, no, with Nuclear, when six reactors are involved, you divide by six. Is that right, Trav? ;-)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Millivanilli
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KARL DENNINGER SAID IT IS ALL HYPE.  

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:21 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Oh, I didn't realize Douchenger was also a nuclear physicist.  I guess we can all go back to normal now.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:18 | Link to Comment HK
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I guess we can all go back to normal now.

 

Sorry Chumba, we can't go back.  After entering ZH, things will never be the same, eyes wide open, it isn't Kansas anymore.  Sort of like listening to the Doors or Zappa in the day, it was hard to have dinner with your parents after that.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:58 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Well said. Frank changed many of us.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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What's the ugliest

Part

Of your body? (waah-waaaaah)

Some say your nose

Some say your toes

But I think it's YOUR MIND

I think it's YOUR MIND (shoop shoop)

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:44 | Link to Comment ciao
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So good.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:28 | Link to Comment Rogerwilco
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Didn't you hear? He banned the entire country of Japan for exaggerating.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:41 | Link to Comment Infinite QE
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+1. Lets send Karl!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:42 | Link to Comment 10kby2k
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so did trav777

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:48 | Link to Comment trav7777
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no, I pretty clearly said this was more severe than TMI like a week ago, douchebag, but thanks for playing.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment 10kby2k
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first few days you mocked everyone....you said all is well

then you started to fudge....kinda like cramer (with his bear stearns call)   LOL

you and cramer  xoxoxo

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:26 | Link to Comment Mark McGoldrick
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omg....jfc.....STFU!

White people are flip-floppers, and often speak in code!  Sometimes literally means figuratively, and sometimes entire sentences are just puzzles. 

Got it?  JFC....  do I have to explain everything to everyone??  

125 years ago, some researchers in France took 10 white babies and fostered them with 10 black families.  18 years later, those same white babies were flip-flopping on everything, despite the fact their families were just looters, and NOT flip-floppers!

It's in the fucking DNA.  Got it?  JFC....

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Chumbadumba
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You are such a severe loser, you should probably kill yourself now before a black man steals all your gold and rapes your sister!!

I AM CHUMBADUMBA!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Glass Steagall
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So are you done then? Cuz you’ve been more bullish on this whole fucking thing more than TEPCO has even tried. Save some fucking face man and STFU.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 03:02 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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Thank you for expressing my feelings so succinctly.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:45 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Fukushima is a deflationary event.

 

signed

 

karl douchinger.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Smaug
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Karl can bite me. That loser has been wrong for two years.  Maybe he should try a rectal suppositorie with a sedative.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment New Survivalist
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Karl needs to go get his fucking shine box.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:15 | Link to Comment prophet
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and for something a little closer to home for some of you here is 4:43 of MSNBC common sense on Indian Point

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#42260249

The most salient point for me is that there is no credible evacuation plan. 

Staten Island real estate boom in the works?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:56 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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That shot of Cuomo makes me think of the mountain gorilla I saw the other night on the  national geographic channel. Also, who's that thug behind Cuomo looks pretty shady to me.

Truth be known Cuomo's a foolish liberal full of the usual liberal policies that always end up in disaster.

I remember this about Cuomo....

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuomo-gave-birth-...

He can take his politics and shove it up his own arse!

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 07:45 | Link to Comment prophet
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I thought the editorial lead-in was rather cohesive. 

There is no amount of benefit that outweighs the risk. 

By definition a "successful" politician has no integrity.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:24 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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"OMFG BTFD" just didn't seem appropriate (and it didn't translate well to Japanese).

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Chumbadumba
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LOLOLOL!!

I AM CHUMBADUMBA!!

LOLOLOL!!!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:43 | Link to Comment jimijon
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The various identity thieves really make this board sometimes.

mathman, methman, mathmen, harvywanger, hamybanger, and now, chumbadumba

most fun site on the internet

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Dr. Porkchop
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It's more funlier and the most promptlier with the latest news!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:21 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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super prompliest!  unlike the ratings "engineers".

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:04 | Link to Comment infinity8
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let's not all forget the "truthiness". . . everyone can be a douche on occasion but, still gotta give creds for the "wordliness" (that's mine)

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 03:12 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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Thanks for making me laugh guys... on a thread so dire, the comic relief is appreciated!!!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Chumbadumba
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Don't forget to tip your waiter!!

I AM CHUMBADUMBA7!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:45 | Link to Comment knukles
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Reads a incomprehensibly as terror threat level alerts. 
Why do people even bother trying to pretend they're so important, insightful and precient when they then go to such extreme lengths to obfuscate the material?

reductio ad absurdum

Mike Tyson conveyed so more information when asked why he like boxing so much.  He said; "Because it involves all the senses.  When you get hit hard in the mouth you feel it when your head snaps back, you taste the leather, your can't see, your ears ring and then you smell the salts." 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Elliott Eldrich
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I've been looking for this story at the Asahi Shimbun English language website, and am having trouble finding it there. Would anyone happen to have a link to the source article? Below is a link to where I started looking:

http://www.asahi.com/english/newsfeatures.html

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:58 | Link to Comment That Peak Oil Guy
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When all is said and done, Fukushima will be Level 8: Major Clusterfuck.

TPOG

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:03 | Link to Comment Money Squid
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News flash - Japan downgrades Hiroshima and Nagasaki to a "3" on the INES scale.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Now that is some funny shit. That's George Carlin funny.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:31 | Link to Comment eftian
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+3

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 08:30 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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These go to 11.  (Spinal Tap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:58 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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 If a trolley car tipped over at 2.5 MPH, and the passengers had to get up and dust themselves off, it would be more serious than three mile island; which had no effect on public health, whatsoever. At some point penalties should be enacted against yellow journalists, who hype fear to sell page clicks, even if they are ignorant enough to believe their own crap.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Fluor Corp.    asshole.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:27 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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At some point penalties should be enacted against idiotic ZH posters, who inflate their IQ for purposes of "impressing" others, even if they are ignorant enough to believe they are truly intelligent.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:40 | Link to Comment knukles
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Since light travels faster than sound,
People appear bright until you hear them speak.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Millivanilli
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fookin moreon.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 03:24 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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And I suppose you have actual data to back up your claim? Or are you just making unsubstantiated claims, like so many other on this site?

If you could, please point me to the longitudinal studies of people living downwind of TMI. Oh, that's right. There aren't any. How convenient. No data=no effect? I am extremely doubtful of your claims.

 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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just wait for the level 8 star to be put on top of that pyramid for the "motherfuckinggoddamnedcatastrophe" accident

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Newsboy
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Can't announce these steps to close together, but evacuating Tokyo will make it a Major accident. The US military is already evacuating sites well South of Tokyo, and considering mandatory evacuation of Yokosuka and Atsugi bases. Doplomacy must be strained.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:50 | Link to Comment imaginalis
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What does the 1959 California Rocketdyne disaster rate on this scale?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Greater Fool
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4, I'd say. If you really want some radiological disaster fun, check out SL-1. Any nuclear accident that winds up with a worker impaled on the ceiling has a certain dramatic flair.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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 Really - fuel rod assembly launched through chest cavity assembly

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Yikes. But hey Rusty, at least your avaatar looks ready for a fall out. Far out fall out at that, eh, maaaaaaan, that wall is swaying to a cosmic beat!

ORI

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Really - fuel rod assembly launched through chest cavity assembly

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

'Better' than that - the one guy was NAILED to the ceiling by the ONE control rod, the crews doing the emergency response never looked up to see him ... days later the investigators thought to look up and - there he was ...

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment divide_by_zero
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Amazingly, still alive also though not for long. Fukushima was a level higher than TMI on the first hydrogen explosion, said it that day.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment imaginalis
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It does sound dramatic but rather than fun I would call it tragic. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Greater Fool
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Understood, but let's keep things in perspective. More people than the three who died in that incident died in traffic accidents in the time it took you to type this post.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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Would you feel the same if one of the three was your family member?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:15 | Link to Comment Greater Fool
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Not a lot of difference between being stuck to the ceiling and crushed to death in a car crash, I think. Either is probably preferable, on balance, to spending months dying of cancer. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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SL-1, that must have been QUITE the surprise to the three guys re-assembling it that might ...

 

http://talesfromthenuclearage.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/the-sl-1-incident/

 

(Note: Multiple parts, click on the link upper right to continue)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Mr. Mandelbrot
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One estimate put the radiation release at 240 times greater than Three Mile Island.  If true, the incident would have to be at least a 5 if not greater . . .

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/governments-have-been-covering-nuclear-...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:52 | Link to Comment FunkyMonkeyBoy
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And futures don't even blink.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:52 | Link to Comment duo
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I guess dead and missing topping 27,000 (NHK earlier today) is good for the markets.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment penisouraus erecti
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You betcha -

"But, then again, here come the Keynesians. Perhaps no statement has been more shocking than Larry Kudlow’s callous gem (he later apologized): "The human toll here looks to be much worse than the economic toll and we can be grateful for that . . . all these markets stocks, commodities, oil, gold, there is no major breakout or breakdown. I have to view that positively." Kudlow's comment may have been a slip up, but it is one example of many."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Muir
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Larry Kudlow is the perfect justification for the terrorists organizations of the 70s in Europe. 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 09:17 | Link to Comment MSimon
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Nice tits.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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That's not true.  They went up.  Why even watch futures?  You already know they'll be the obligatory +50 by the open.  What the fuck is the point?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment ss123
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iPad chip shortages, GM closing facilities/laying off workers, Ford suspending some paint colors, and Toyota closing plants apparently don't matter.

I wonder what other companies are coming down the pike with soon to be announce part shortages and worker layoffs because of this?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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I can't imagine earnings season not showing weakness from oil and Japan plus weaker outlooks.

But shitnbc is putting on the show saying it's soaring back.

Gut feeling wis we end march lower.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:38 | Link to Comment ShankyS
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Better get your electronics now.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Dr. Porkchop
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Just got my Toshiba laptop the other day!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:50 | Link to Comment knukles
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LOL

You sound just like the folks at the Fed, CNBS and Goldman.... step right up, getcher disposable glow in the dark limited edition iPad before they melt.....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:39 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"you can have any color you want so long as it's black."

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:52 | Link to Comment max2205
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Good time for the Chinese to show up by the millions in their biorad suits and take over the place. What are we going to do. Nothing wrong place wrong day

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:52 | Link to Comment Kurtieboy
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Serious accident????

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:54 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Who came up with this scale? Is 0-10 too much to ask for conformity's sake? So we're halfway between a meltdown with no 'leakage' and 'fubar'? The absurdities continue unabated. They're going to turn Japan into a semi-uninhabitable wasteland and then go 'Ooopsy, we should have seen that coming...!' For a culture that pulls together and saves face at any cost, the so-called leadership of this country needs to form a kamikaze line and fling themselves into the abyss holding a bag of Quikcrete with a bucket of water strapped to their asses...how fuckin' sad for their populace.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:02 | Link to Comment Pez
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Floor Zero is where you get your "bargin basement" radioactivity.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Funny, at TMI, all the best radiation was 'in the basement'. BTW, I lived 15 miles from TMI when it 'never happened'...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment knukles
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Yikes!  Has that anything to do with the avatar and moniker?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 02:17 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
Fri, 03/25/2011 - 07:39 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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VERY funny guys...and no, that's not me, can't wear heels...wouldn't mind having some 'monkey sex' with that one though..."C'mon say it, say it! Who's your monkey, who's YOUR monkey!"  

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:38 | Link to Comment TheMerryPrankster
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Yes but shouldn't there be an eyeball on the top of that pyramid, that's whats on my FRN's. I thought all pyramids should have an all seeing eye, like Mordor.

NHK is reporting that this situation could take months to years to take care of and that people who have been evacuated should get used to not seeing their homes again for a long time. All delivered in a very even, soothing monotone voice as if to say, here is your destiny, sucks to be you, see you later.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment TerraHertz
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"Who came up with this scale? Is 0-10 too much to ask for conformity's sake?"

It _is_ a 0 to 10 scale dontcha know, however levels 8 through 10 are secret. Since they involve mention of the Elites evacuating to their deep underground military bases.

Dum dum DUMB ba-dum!

One must admire that graphic for its clever use of a pyramid to imply that higher levels are 'smaller' and therefore emotionally non-threatening. Also, that there is no possibility of even higher levels of disaster.

Where are 'all life eliminated' and 'planet split down middle'?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Who came up with this scale? Is 0-10 too much to ask for conformity's sake? So we're halfway between a meltdown with no 'leakage' and 'fubar'?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Open-ended scale like the Richter scale - there really is no 'upper limit' ... now THAT is a scary thought ...

 

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:56 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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If you're still in Tokyo, GTFO now.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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Why?  The tap water went from unsafe to perfectly OK overnight?  Are you skeptical of that?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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because life's too short to needlessly shorten it further

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:57 | Link to Comment rebeltraders
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+1

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:05 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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That's because they gov't bought all the bottled water and is furiously pouring into the 'tap water'...in this country gov't lowers the bar for education, in Japan, they raise the bar for radiation. Wouldn't want to 'leave any child behind'...sickening!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:57 | Link to Comment sagefool
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Why don't people believe the Japanese govt.? Ooooh....credibility. You have a point there.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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The more or less believe them with a heavy emphasis on less.

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