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Fukushima Reactor 1 Drywell Reading Hits All Time High 204 Sieverts/Hour

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Remember Fukushima, the worst nuclear catastrophe in the last 20 or so years which soon will surpass Chernobyl in total radioactive emissions into the environment? Well, the radiation in the now officially melted down Reactor 1 has just hit the highest ever reading since the crisis began, or 204 sieverts/hour, recorded in the drywell. Not Micro. Not Milli. Sieverts. It appears the "excuse" that the counters are broken isn't being used this time, although we are confident that the "spurious reading" allegations will fly.

Courtesy of ENEnews, which has more.

 


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Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:10 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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I've always wanted a third testicle and nipple. 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:22 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Cramer, is that really you?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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My mutated super powers are really starting to develop nicely!

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:53 | Link to Comment tallen
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Japan just needs to up the max radioactivity exposure again to 50 TeraSieverts and issue its own brand new geiger counters, this time without the counter.

 

[on the serious side] From wiki  above 10 Sv (10000 mSV) Death.

So you'd be dead in under 3 minutes. Also, from the diagram they spelt Fukushima as Hukushima and also shows two different values under current values and it says "instrument failure". I can only hope these images are wrong.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Jasper M
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"So you'd be dead in under 3 minutes."

Nnnoo, you'd be Doomed in three minutes, not dead. Takes way more than that to drop you promptly. 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 04:56 | Link to Comment bingocat
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"Hukushima" isn't necessarily wrong - just unusual. "Fu" for that syllable is an English-speaker's tradition. A Japanese person who did not speak English fluently would more naturally write "Hu."

And yes, you'd be dead pretty quick. In 2mins you'd be vomiting uncontrollably and within another minute or two you'd probably have seizures and more or less complete loss of muscle control, with functional shut-down shortly thereafter. Actual body death might take a day but there'd likely be no coming back after 3mins.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 02:44 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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According to my wife, Green isn't a colour for me...

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:09 | Link to Comment Mec-sick-o
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How about glowy green?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:22 | Link to Comment takeaction
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Well.....It just might happen.  You will not see this on CNN.  Cute little bunnies being born with no ears next to Fukushima.  Here is the article and Video.....So cute.

http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/articles/150453/20110523/japan-nuclear-r...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Tail Dogging The Wag
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You won't see it anywhere... this will be hidden from the mainstream media. See no evil, hear no evil... and yeah, van Gogh was ahead of his time. No ears!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 03:59 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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"Thank you for the precious movie. We don't know if it is a coincidence or a human error. There is no sin in rabbit. We don't want to give up and prevent as much as possible. It's good if we keep our health as a result of it. If a baby without ears is born to you and someone you love, you can never get away with it. We can't say it's cute." - G0ingMerry

some things never change...

on a serious note..., pray for Japan

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 16:09 | Link to Comment andybev01
Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:46 | Link to Comment CPL
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Naw, it usually ends up with weird testicular and breast cancer.

I wonder who the hell they would pay...anything to walk into a poison radiation soup.  I suppose it's official.  Chernobyl and three mile island are pretty much a play yard scrape at this point in time.  At least the Russians had room to run from it.  Japan is a tiny broke island.

 

Well we'll see an experiment at work over the next while I suppose.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 03:00 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Excerpt from:  http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1306353600.php

The Japanese Economy is enduring the biggest collapse in modern history. Let's see if its cities can avoid cracks and rising tides. Their trade deficits are assured, my forecast. However, this time around a paradox of trade deficits and reconstruction costs will conspire to LIFT the Japanese Yen currency. Their government wants to limit stimulus and associated deficits and bond issuance that would lift interest rates. Their ministry officials want more debt monetization to inflate the problem away. The Bank of Japan wants to hold the line with no more purchase of debt. The utilities are forcing rolling electrical blackouts in order to avoid higher prices for electricity. Their carmakers have registered staggering declines in output. Their industrial sector is reeling. The solution most politically appealing will turn out to be not the hyper inflation from debt monetization, BUT RATHER SALES OF FOREIGN ASSETS. The sale of USTreasury Bonds is most politically acceptable, with a national disaster offering strong cover for justification. Their sale will be brisk in heavy volume, all in time. The rising JapYen currency will force the Global QE, as purchase of USTBonds that Japan sells will join the USTBonds sold by the USDept Treasury. An extravaganza of debt monetization will go global. Why no analysts discuss this is beyond the reach of Jackass comprehension. Probably blind spots, corporate directives, preoccupation with the sovereign debts, attention to the USGovt debt limit, and a new foreign war every few months. To be sure, plenty of distraction out there.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 04:02 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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+

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 05:06 | Link to Comment bingocat
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The Jackass, at least on this point, is showing here such a lack of understanding of the Japanese situation (and finances and control of government financial assets) as to render his comment worthless. As is often the case, lay-writers who only read the WSJ and other blogs for their basic information are less informed than they think they are.

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 08:26 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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How very clever of you to make a worthless entirely ad hominem attack on the Jackass,     presumably in order to pre-empt the average illogical trolls who have nothing else to contribute.

 The back-handed way you take a position behind the analysis of Jackass is most notable.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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It is funny isn't it :).  Jim Willie has been so right for so long it makes you wonder where a nameless internet mouth-breather finds the hubris to attack him.  Modern marvels :).

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Thu, 05/26/2011 - 07:20 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Why won't the Japs sell all their USTs?

Because Uncle Sam won't allow it, that's why.

The Fed will open up another invisible (ie, unaudited) currency-swap/liquidity window/skittle-extruding unicorn to the Japanese central bank and all will be well for everyone... except those rash enough to think USDs are a store of value.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:05 | Link to Comment the left behinds
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knew a guy with a third nipple, never seen ball #3 . . .

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:52 | Link to Comment tkoski6600
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Radio host Don Imus has claimed for years that he has tres huevos.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:35 | Link to Comment Trillax
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Filed under '101 Things I Never Wanted to Know About Don Imus'.

However, the engineer in me wants to know if he gets extra happy time from three nuts.

Probbie not.  Mental thread closed.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:59 | Link to Comment cbxer55
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Bigger "Money shots"!  ;-)

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:13 | Link to Comment 401DK
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The critical point here is differentiating between external radiation ( " a plane trip across country" ) which is truly background radiation, and internal emitters which are radioactive particles ingested and radiating the body from the inside. The bad side of the inverse square law is that internal emitters ingested through the food chain or inhalation radiate local cellular DNA from incredibly close range (even alpha particles " typically stopped by skin") as they are already intracellular. The argument can be, and is, made that there is no safe dose of these internal alpha emitters. Geiger counters don't pick them up, it just shows up eventually as increased cancer and birth defect rates...way too late. As a physician and questioning ZeroHedger, the threat level is unclear, but very concerning. Anyone interested in following and deciding for themselves ought to check out Enenews.com and Fairewinds.com. This is serious shit and I am amazed at the lack of coverage by the MSM, let alone the EPA, etc. Beware and be safe. Mark

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 04:42 | Link to Comment Dejean Splicer
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Thank you Mark. Yes it is very serious.

Here is a link to AG's wife interviewing a senior grad student at Worcester Poly who specializes in radioactive airborne transmittal. It's worth watching.

http://vimeo.com/23186557

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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You assume this extra ball and nipple will be in the right places.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Estrella
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There's a right place?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 15:33 | Link to Comment andybev01
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you could end up looking like a quail...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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At those levels, no time to grow anything, question is how close can a person walk towards that area without dropping over immediately.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 06:49 | Link to Comment Overflow-admin
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I always asked myself what would look like eggs cooked with gamma radiation.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:23 | Link to Comment davepowers
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I've always wanted a third testicle and nipple. 

--

but did you want them in the middle of your forehead?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Ray1968
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Kinda give you that tingly feeling..

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Dejean Splicer
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As much as a good laugh helps to ease tensions associated with the unknown, this is not a topic that we should joke about.

The implications at these levels will have an impact on our food chain. Sea water is still being circulated back into the ocean. Airborne particles dispersed by the jet stream.

As #1 goes over 200 S/h, how long until all 4 are in full effervescent mode?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Maybe you should post a list of all the things we shouldn't joke about. 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Forgiven
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Looks like we'll need a new scale.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:15 | Link to Comment Muir
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ZH did outdo itself in this coverage.

Kudos friends.

Keep up the good work.

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment camaro68ss
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Those look heavy, can i hold them for you?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Nicholaz
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they were already exposed to a couple of thousand seviert, hence the size.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Ergo
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""excuse" that the counters are broken"

 

BTW, Zerohedge had it right when it reported high radiation numbers that were later retracted as a broken counter.  As a chemical engineer and attorney, I've seen these games many times before.  Facts are always the same.  Someone gets a reading they don't like, and then claims it was a bad reading.  It's almost never true.  But the mass media accepted the excuse w/o question, even though no facts were alleged to show otherwise.  And some posters even attacked ZH for reporting a number that had been officially retracted. 

 

ZH was right.  If you get a reading from a calibrated machine, it is likely a valid reading.  You can't fairly discount it b/c it doesn't fit the official story. You can only try and consider the reasons why.  In other circumstances, someone might say they didn't have a representative sample.  Someone might say the machine had to be recalibrated.  Some will try to dilute the data by taking a whole bunch more readings that give an acceptable result.  But that doesn't change the fact that the high radiation reading existed, and was believed enough by the engineers doing the work to get reported.  Kudos, ZH.  Kudos.   

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:15 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Got Lead?

Lead Jacket? Lead Walls? not bullet lead, thats wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy to small!

Lead to block the "X" / "Gamma" Rays!

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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O.T.

See the girl Naomi at the end discuss the Corporate Leaders.. Like Tepco!

Keiser Report: Savers vs Speculators (E149) http://t.co/j3zcSF4

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:21 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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we need some coverage on this Lovely Lady Please!

http://www.nomiprins.com/

Tyler, Ilene.. George Washington you just keep doing what you are doing! dont change a thing Bro! C.D.? how about you!

 

 

http://www.nomiprins.com/reports/

 

snippet! http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2009/10/6/nomi_prins

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:33 | Link to Comment breezer1
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you see the way she looked at me.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:13 | Link to Comment TomJoad
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My wife is in her second trimester with our first child. The failure to take action by the Japanese government is an act of war. If a terrorist organization had achieved this level of radioactive release via dirty bomb or whatever we would have declared (yet another) war by now.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:23 | Link to Comment astartes09
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Not sure bombing the hell out of Japan (again) is going to solve anything.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment TomJoad
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You are right, it won't. This lack of effective action is absolutely unconscionable though, kind of like our lack of action against the criminals running Wall St. and the Federal Reserve. Their actions will probably be more harmful to my unborn child. AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!

 

Jump! You Fuckers!

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Dejean Splicer
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"The failure to take action by the Japanese government is an act of war."

I totally agree. In such times a superpower should be able to move in and take over and cap it. Washington knows this!

What is taking so long!?

Take gold from .gov.jp to pay for our efforts and close the mess down.

Complete idiots should not be allowed to utilize NP.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Agreed! You know that if anyone so much as farted near nukes in Pakistan, the US would be rushing in "to safeguard them". 2.5 months this shit smolders in Japan and not a fucking finger lifted.

As an aside, I'd recommend large doses of niacin, USP grade DMSO and bentonite clay for detox.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:46 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Riiigggghhhht...just like they did with Macondo(BP)..."Done! Nothing to see here folks move along(that missing appendage shouldn't hinder you)..." I won't eat GoM seafood or anything out of the Alaskan fields for quite awhile. My aquaculture tilapia in high tunnels will do for now. There should be a more uniform effort from affected countries to control, contain, and confirm exposure to this f'in disaster. China, South Korea, ?, etc. TEPCO management should be completely removed from this chain just like BP should have been from the spill. These ass-wipes are conflicted in everything they do and should have no say in this except, 'We'll pay the bill.'. Any exec who doesn't thing this viable is immediately placed into the middle of the fuckup and allowed to expire as needed...have a nice retirement...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:04 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Complete idiots should not be allowed to utilize NP.

Whadday think is powering this site?

What is taking so long!?

Why don't you go over and see?  Maybe roast some marshmallows with the Fukishima 50...

I'm not defending the cover up, but do you have any idea what it takes to suppress a total meltdown of multiple reactors at a facility whose containment measures have been completely compromised?  There's a lot of reasons the MSM is under-reporting this...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment misitu
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@mayhem_korner

Re: "do you have any idea what it takes to suppress a total meltdown of multiple reactors ... ?

I would say perhaps that one symptom of complete AND UTTER idiocy is to build multiple nulcear reactors close by on the same site and then run them simultaneously

 

!

 

Did I leave something out? About siting said on a live tectonic zone?

 

Your response could have been more adult in tone and more logically reasoned.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:47 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Weak attempt to switch your argument from the response - your original point to which I responded was what's taking so long? - to prevention.  I didn't argue anything about the preventative side, you just decided to go there once I boxed you in.

Sorry for being un-adult.  I'm only 9.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 00:19 | Link to Comment misitu
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I don't think your boxing me in was intentional as I am commenting on this thread for the first time.

What is taking so long is that this is an impossible disaster, with several contributing factors including the health and safety regime on site. And other factors both scientific, socio-political, and financial.

All these factors, plus the known tectonic risk, could have formed part of an environmental impact assessment, which is a well known business procedure.

I have to point out that although learning the lessons here might actually be too late for an awful lot of people it is always a good thing to try to learn from experience as it will be useful in the event that the biosphere gets one final [& undeserved] get out of jail free card.

I am not going to respond to your silly last statement.

The damn planet is going up in radioactive smoke and some people want to split hairs over the infallible logic that always links DETAILED PLANNING and SERVICE RELIABILITY.

I hope that this has helped you to see the connection.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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My bad...thought I was responding to Thing 1.

Nonetheless, I didn't comment on the preparation, and it turns out you agree with my sentiment on the "impossible disaster".

The rest of your commentary doesn't distill down to any salient points that I can discern.  Seems like you're an environmental warlord with one of those 20/20 hindsight mirrors in your hand.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 02:28 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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Action would mean admitting nuclear power is not safe. They'll never do that.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 08:23 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Define "safe" and then show us your research on what "safe" power is.  And include the entire supply & delivery chain in your analysis.  I'm curious to hear about risk-free electric generation and transmission.

Airplanes are statistically safer than cars, but people perceive otherwise.  Nukes are similar.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 05:27 | Link to Comment bingocat
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Any idea how long it took the US to get inside the 3-mile island core after the accident? If you did you wouldn't write something like that.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 16:18 | Link to Comment andybev01
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"He did nothing, and the law has very little to say on things left undone."

-Vertigo

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:19 | Link to Comment godzila
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Who cares ? This catastrophe has outlived the MSM attention span half life...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Volcanism.  Read it, learn it, love it.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment bud-wiser
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www.fairewinds.com is doing a great job of reporting on Fukushima.

But www.radiationnetwork.com shows such low levels of radiation that it has lost all credibility.

Unfortunately, it is near impossible to find working Geiger counters now. Those who have them, please share readings.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:32 | Link to Comment medicalstudent
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central texas ambient gamma currently .06 microsieverts per hour, rainwater sample .07usv/hr.

 

polimaster pm1208 nothing noteworthy times one month (range .06-.10usv/hr); it goes where i do. [nml background .1-.3usv/hr]

 

terra mks05 (ebay) in mail; beta surface readings to follow.

 

strontium/boron supplementation may be viable if needed. melatonin qhs.

 

welcome to the new earth.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment ReeferMac
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Thanks for sharing!

Impartial reporting is impossible to find these days.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Which side of the jet stream is texas on and which side is japan on? I forget.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment seek
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I've been running a recording counter (logs every minute) since the event began, both the radiation network results in AZ and the EPA RadNet results correlate very, very well with my readings.

The counts really are that low. They're not always that way, on April 20th my counter went comparatively nuts, as did the EPA RadNet counters in AZ. Still way within safe limits, but enough to prove the equipment is working. The worst-case hourly readings I've had were about 3% above background.

The Fukishima radiation is getting very diluted on its way here. I think the bigger concern now is monitoring the food chain and points where it might get concentrated (rain runoff, etc.)

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Radiation is transient.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:47 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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no.. the Radiation is Transitory...

get on page, pleaseeeee!

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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Half lives of radioisotopes vary dramatically.  Nanoseconds to billions of years.

From the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory website:

Half-life

The time required for half of the atoms in any given quantity of a radioactive isotope to decay is the half-life of that isotope. Each particular isotope has its own half-life. For example, the half-life of 238U is 4.5 billion years. That is, in 4.5 billion years, half of the 238U on Earth will have decayed into other elements. In another 4.5 billion years, half of the remaining 238U will have decayed. One fourth of the original material will remain on Earth after 9 billion years. The half-life of 14C is 5730 years, thus it is useful for dating archaeological material. Nuclear half-lives range from tiny fractions of a second to many, many times the age of the universe.

http://www.lbl.gov/abc/Basic.html

Table of Radioactive Isotopes:  click on the element to get the decay data for known isotopes of each element

http://ie.lbl.gov/toi/perchart.htm 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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The boron's ability to soak up excess neutrons is transient.

This bitch is going to blow. It's the AK 47 of nuclear accidents. When you absolutely positively have to kill every mother fucker in the northern hemisphere.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:18 | Link to Comment HamyWanger
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Hum. This is more than high. This is catastrophic. 

Either this is a false reading, or there's really something bad going on. 

It won't stop LuluLemon Athletica Inc. and Chipotle Mexican Grill to reach new 52weeks highs, though. 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Exposure to this will instantly kill anything.

I feel badly for everyone over there. This is horrid.

Who gives a shit about momo stocks, they'll be gone in 2 years anyway.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 01:55 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Exposure at this level starts intragranular stress cracking a wide range of metals. That's what happened to the helicopter that tried to dump the first load of sand and lead into chernobyl. It was at max capacities on airframe and a minute or so of the radiation simply tore it up. Steels pretty tough stainless not so much, aluminum with high hardening. faget about it.

That thing is literally eating the beams out of the buildings.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Piranhanoia
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Where is the boron that our government promised to deliver and why isn't it being used if they have it from other sources?  Are they still trying to get them to work again and refusing to shut them down?   Beavis and Butthead are in charge, or were until they were toasted like a burgerworld cockroach.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:21 | Link to Comment mynhair
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All covered by 'planned obsolescence'.  You breath, you obsolete.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:21 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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204 Seiverts would likely be fatal within seconds. Or perhaps fractions of a second. JFC.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:28 | Link to Comment HamyWanger
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Actually, 1 Sievert per hour is already lethal. 

204 Sieverts is Chernobyl right at the core (~100-300), 20x more than the vicinity of the station (~10-15), and 2000x Pripyat (~0.10). 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:40 | Link to Comment 10kby2k
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Chernobyl---your home town

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Rinzler
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For the old schooled among us that's roughly 20,000 R/hr

My 'post nuclear holocaust' Civil Defense Survey meter only goes to 500 R/hr, basically because at that point you are going to die. After a week or two of prolonged suffering.

Assuming a 'survivable dose' of 200 R, you could stand that level of radiation for about 35 sec before you received a fatal dose.

Silly math exercise and with no real bearing on the situation. Merely an illustration of the number.

Recriticality anyone?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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I've worked around radioactive fields in both the military and in industry. Mainly in the hazardous waste end of things. I'm curious as to the math being applied to factors such as time, distance and shielding. Specifically, the time it would take for workers to approach the melted cores, the distance and the exponentially increasing dose upon approach, and any PPE that the workers might have available.

It would be a suicide mission for all involved in the remediation.

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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No, I think that's a 100% fatal dose in about 3 minutes.  Prompt nausea, then 100% mortality in 2-7 days.

So, OK.  Granted.  Certainly less than ideal.  But hey.  It's not the end of the world!

( Japan, maybe... )

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:19 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Looks like another stick save by the PPT.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:25 | Link to Comment tewkatz
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Plutonium Productivity Team.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:32 | Link to Comment magpie
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Planned Population Termination ?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment medicalstudent
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hepa. reverse osmosis. polimaster pm1208/terra mks 05.

 

although testing food, unfortunately, is probably not feasible (unless grossly contaminated) sans gamma spectrometer to match particle energies and fingerprint isotopes. k-40 and ambient will throw shit off. lead box needed.

 

we'll need faire(fair)winds.

 

stock up on that krill if you want a future fully functioning brain.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:26 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Maybe we all need GEICO meters....though, on the bright side, the Lib Coast will be the first to go.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:28 | Link to Comment bugs_
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the answer is blowin in the wind

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:34 | Link to Comment majia
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Medical student I seem to recall that you were offering readings ealier from (?) Texas? If that was you, would ya share your most recent results please...

What does it mean that there are holes in the containment--that is, what are the implications? http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/25/japan.nuclear.report/ 


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-25/fukushima-containment-vessels-may-be-leaking-tepco-says.html

 

There has been considerable debate about whether "core on the floor" will melt through the concrete and produce massive explosions. That scenario was the fear with Chernobyl, at least, as explained in the film the Battle for Chernobyl. Does anyone have any educated opinions?

FYI here is a good link on radiation contamination http://japanfocus.org/-Matthew-Penney/3535

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:32 | Link to Comment docmac324
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My dogs are getting fresh tumors on their faces (no kidding) here in Seattle.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:40 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Move.  I did.  That NiCastro bitch sealed my exit from the city of my birth.  Took 4 more years for you fools to get rid of her.

Try Cedar Plaza vet in Mountlake Terrace.  DR. B is great, if he hasn't left yet too.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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Not sure if it would get any news coverage, but have you tried contacting any media sources with this information? Any local independent media?

I'm in North Idaho. Too much rain this year. We're likely taking moderately high doses here as well.

Good luck to you.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment knowless
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you have multiple dogs who are all simultaneously coming down with tumors?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment frippy
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Should I cancel my bridge game tonight?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Are your cards marked?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment sschu
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Some of the posts on ENENEWS were pontificating why this info is just now being released when it seems Tepco knew of the meltdowns very early on, maybe as soon as the 2nd or 3rd day. 

Since the Fukushima story is over 2 months old, maybe the people have forgotten about it.  Hence the bad news is really ignored by the MSM and hence most of the populace.

It could also be that the situation is much, much worse than even these last news releases indicate, which are bad enough.  So we are being manipulated and conditioned to accept the next piece(s) of news ... I wonder what it could be? 

sschu

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:31 | Link to Comment misitu
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Rich evacuees from the land of the no longer rising sun get to take over so called underdeveloped states in the southern hemisphere (points to Australia.. That Way Please)

Followed in due course by a few millions of their new working aka slave class.

 

A little problem with this scenario is that most of the evacuees have already been exposed to enough radiation to make their ongoing breeding unsuccessful.

 

Does that sound bitter?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Abiotic Oil
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3 cores melted through the containment.

Wait until the truth is discovered about groundwater contamination.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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bad hair day for everyone at the power plant.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment breezer1
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anyone with info on groundwater movements in that area. how far/fast can it spread?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:47 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Locally, or world wide?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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204 Sieverts, contrary to popular belief, is actually quite good for you. I mean, if you look at the science and everything and the studies that have been conducted, it is really not as bad as everyone says. It actually helps promote bone growth in infants.

Ya know? It's science. 

-A Coulter

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:20 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Piss off.  I'd do her.  Like them skinny ones.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:13 | Link to Comment samsara
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Don't tell me,  You'd eat her adam's apple and all right?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:10 | Link to Comment kinetik
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But her neck! I'm convinced she would make for a satisfactory study of recurrent laryngeal nerve evolution in humans.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:10 | Link to Comment Cthonic
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Ann's just fascinated with the prospect, at high enough doses, for her own immaculate mitogenesis.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment km4
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Guest Post: IAEA Knew Within Weeks of Japanese Earthquake that Reactors Had Melted Down … Public Not Told for a Month and a Half « naked capitalism http://bit.ly/iTw2Yp

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:44 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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They did the same thing at Chernobyl.

Anyone who trusts the IAEA, also believes that "this time is different".

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:05 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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I won't be buying anymore cheap funiture from IAEA, that's for sure.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:37 | Link to Comment misitu
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!!!!

effing brilliant

!!!!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Did not the IAEA just meet in Tokyo this weekend? You know, to get their stories straight!

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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how much fuel is actually present?  (so called 'spent' or otherwise)  obviously as we all saw "water is a fuel source" (two explosions--one an "extrusion" actually--the other "the real deal.") for superheated fuel rods--along with everything else since "everything has a melting temperature."  Saw Arnie again--190 billion and counting.  At what point begins the financial meltdown? A "Spanish default" as the trigger?  Interest rates need not be high at all if growth rates are zero and debt is astronomical and there's no way to monetize the debt.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment cossack55
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In excess of 600,000 spent fuel rods. I would seriously recommend www.fairewinds.com and check some of the recent videos.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Epic video on radation fallout from rx#4 @ Chernobyl. 

Highly rec. the 3 minutes to see what world wide governments are hiding. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvAJ_u3Q0Hw

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:29 | Link to Comment tallen
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+1. Wow, those pictures are powerful.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Plumplechook
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TEPCOs communication policy is now clear.  Hold back the bad news for as long as possible and then drip-feed it to the public (sometimes months after the event) in the hope that the media and public attention will have faded.

And its working a treat.  TEPCO clearly knew  all three units were in total meltdown within a couple of days of the earthquake but are only now letting the public in on this secret.  And sure enough most of the mainstream media have lost interest and haven't even bothered reporting on it.

Goebels would be proud. 

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 01:22 | Link to Comment SilverDosed
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Worked for BP on the gulf coast, that and the massive payoffs to the local politikers to say "All is well" "Come on down, there's no oil on the beach." Nice little blowback is that gulf coasters have even more reasons to hate jews because of Feinberg's position in BP's pocket.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:09 | Link to Comment bugs_
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will the melted cores combine underground

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Probably not. Race to the watertable and the hottest pile wins.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:19 | Link to Comment JamesBond
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i fear we will all be victims of another George Washington anti-nuke rant tomorrow.

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:24 | Link to Comment mynhair
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He needs an excuse?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment JamesBond
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LOL

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:23 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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yes, but it's a dry 204 sieverts, dr. becquerel.

Japan Wind Map

the best part of this report is that it doesn't seem overly cogent.  temperature?  explanation? 

heeeer's arnie: 

Fairewinds Associates, Inc | Leveling the Playing Field

the 2nd vimeo down has this caption: Gundersen says Fukushima's gaseous and liquid releases continue unabated.  With a meltdown at Unit 1, Unit 4 leaning and facing possible collapse, several units contaminating ground water, and area school children outside the exclusion zone receiving adult occupational radiation doses, the situation continues to worsen. TEPCO needs a cohesive plan and international support to protect against world-wide contamination.

yep!  simple as nuclear pie!

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:03 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Denver International Airport is all I have to say. 

Strange mural to be at an airport: 

http://tinyurl.com/3lysanw

Some other wierrrrrrddddd shit at that location that makes ya say hmmmmmmmm.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:36 | Link to Comment franzpick
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Conceived, built and paid for with taxpayer money, by the same congress that covertly built and secretly maintained the Greenbrier doomstead, designed to hold safe, underground, with roomservice from the Greenbrier, the 435 members, but no room for their wives and family members:  http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/73836

The more things change, the more they stay the same, only bigger, citizens and taxpayers be damned...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:28 | Link to Comment intric8
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Speaking of Becquerel, some areas of Fukushima might as well be Belarus

http://www.falloutphilippines.blogspot.com/

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:41 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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t.y. 4 this link!

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 19:36 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Or a rabbit with no ears.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Fiat2Zero
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Kudos to Tyler and ZH for being dead on right prognosticators, once again.

I found it interesting there was an online story about this on times.com. It was basically saying "yeah they've all melted down, but blah blah it's not that bad, not yet china syndrome."

I'm assuming the MSM has to start saying something to get in front of the story which will be evolving.

204 sieverts in the drywell means it should be eating through the concrete. Someone said it takes 6 hours, but I'm guessing we are in uncharted territory. After cutting through the concrete there are 15 short feet to hit the groundwater, at which point I'd think we are going to get lots of steam (more than now).

I'd have to imagine that this is already happening or close to happening. What happened to that live camera that was trained on Fukushima?

For air monitoring, my opinion on the RadNet is it's useless for the low-level ionizing radiation we are getting. By the time something shows on RadNet we'll probably be able to see a mushroom cloud. The problem is that you'll see high concentrations in very selected places based on releases and the jet streams. I know this because I measure with a dosimeter many times per day. Sometimes the alarm will go off all hells bells, but most of the time it's steady at background of 0.09 microsieverts.

Google "UC berkeley radiation" for food chain information.
Hawaiian dairy ranchers are currently feeding boron to cows to sop up the radiation from getting into the milk.

Anyway, I'm on the west coast and keeping my fingers crossed that the "Summer wind shift" is in place before this thing starts generating too much more fallout.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:40 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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"What happened to that live camera that was trained on Fukushima?"

Looks like it's still up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptmoVcgpqg

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:51 | Link to Comment franzpick
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And for several days has looked like surf is also up, but the waves aren't moving...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:20 | Link to Comment ddtuttle
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I suppose its worth mentioning that a dose of 10 Sv is presumed to be fatal, which is three minutes inside Unit 1's containment area.  How do you even begin to clean up something like that?  Sure, dump sand an boron on it, but how do you do that inside a rubble pile without people?  The boron would need to go directly on the molten uranium/plutonium goo that oozed out the bottom of the reactor.  Then be followed up with tons and tons of boron and sand.   Perhaps some kind of robotic arm with a hose to blast the stuff in there?

This is just so radioactive, they are probably not doing anything.  What a total CF.

And I thought the way Karina was handled was bad!

 

 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:25 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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I am starting to get really pissed off at the japs.

This precarious state will probably go on for years, and avoiding a massive radiation leak will likely be a matter of luck.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:27 | Link to Comment blindman
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Dr Helen Caldicott - Fukushima Nuclear Disaster- You won't hear this on the Main Stream News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITrXVJMKeQ&feature=player_embedded
.
Wait A Minute Wednesday- Fukushima Meltdown Worse Than Chernobyl; Highest Levels Of Cesium In California Milk; TEPCO Says Containment Vessels "May Be Leaking" And Other "Surprises"; 70,000 More Must Evacuate Around Fukushima; Radtiation Levels At Reactor 1 Skyrocket, Much More;
http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/2011/05/wait-minute-wednesday-fukushima.html

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:06 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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she da man!  lol!

our fearless warrior and old warhorse was interviewed on march 25 re:  fuk_u.  a coupla pages of Q's and her answers, and there is more truth & perspective than from all of tepco & japan, ever.  ever!

POST-FUKUSHMA INTERVIEW WITH DR. HELEN CALDICOTT

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 00:50 | Link to Comment blindman
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s,

 what is going on in this clip?  if you know

Double O-bama, Secret Agent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMd9RnYGPzQ&feature=channel_video_tit

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:32 | Link to Comment I Got Worms
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Wait a minute now. Are you guys trying to tell me the carnival tent that pitched over the top of it didn't seal that baby up? Cripes!

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment chump666
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Maybe China will buy the reactors and put a big silk cover over them, since they are buying all sorts of toxic sh*t ala EZ/Greece.

Asian big creditors are turning into big jokes. 

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:08 | Link to Comment h4rdware
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I'm reading about 65CPM today in the UK which is around 8% above background for this counter (60CPM). But it has just rained, which skews things a bit.

Trying to hook it to a USB feed for continuous readings.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Angry Parents in Japan Confront Government Over Radiation Levels

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/world/asia/26japan.html?_r=1&partner=r...

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:42 | Link to Comment jomama
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The Regeneration Effect

Overcoming Advanced Stages of Cancer and other Chronic Degenerative Diseases

http://doctorapsley.com/RadiationTherapy.aspx

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Element
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There's ~4.2m of water in the bottom (underground portion) of the No.1 reactor building though ... so we're looking at the result of a foundation melt system, with a deep 'crust' on top of it, that is now differentiated and somewhat ‘insulated’ from the deep cooling water above and surrounding it ... the water is supposed to cool is and quench the melting.

I do not believe it is any accident that it is mysteriously flooded – they had to flood it to stop the building heating up and falling apart even faster.

But if this radiation level is occurring in No.1, can you imagine what is actually occurring in the more thermally active and also fission reactive No.3’s MOX melt then?

No.3 WILL be worse, of that I’m quite sure.

Arnie Gundersen recently stated that the No.3 temperature and pressure data trend, proved its containment was effectively dry, or at least not flooded internally, and it near to atmospheric pressure (i.e. more or less uncontained in terms of gas flow).

This situation is so very far from stabilized or tapering off. I suspect the real pulse of contaminants is still to come, and what has occurred already is horrific. Japan’s contamination is a real horror story, and as SKF report, where there is Iodine deposition there is also cesium deposition.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/ministry-of-education-quietly-release...

I suspect the Japanese Govt is only now admitting to the multiple meltdowns because they know it's evolving toward a point where actual meltdown becomes visibly undeniable. Whatever occurs in No.1, expect No.3 to be worse.

--

PS: Dear TEPCO,

Where's the feckin >>>VIDEO<<< footage of No.4's explosion?

What are you hiding from us?

Was there too much fire, after that one exploded, to release the video?

And please explain to us where the HYDROGEN for that blast >>>WHICH DESTROYED THE WHOLE BUILDING<<< actually eminated from given we have now seen the bottom of No.4 close up, and it appears the rods in there never actually became uncovered, and oxidized, or melted?

Whence the HYDROGEN?

Enquiring minds want to know these things.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Use of Weapons
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Hmm, ok dears.

 

Hands up who didn't realise that they just "fixed" the broken sensors on #1 reactor?

Do I see many hands?

No?

 

Good.

 

 

If you look really hard at the data, you'll see a whole realm of broken / defunct sensors [kinda like all the USA national ones, eh!] that have been reporting dud data since day 1. When they fix them... Booooom. Headshot.

 

Muuuuuuuuuuuultikill.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2OLmdrjrZ4&feature=related

 

(watch it; amusing)

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:55 | Link to Comment misitu
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Good Point. Well Made.

I do like it when someone points out an explanation for something that was obvious but I never spotted. It's character building to be proven stupid from time to time.

[N.B. readings sourced from http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/?n=1 and follow the instructions if you haven't been there already.]

So... at least we can see there is something wrong with No. 1 and maybe/probably has been for a while.

No. 3 is clearly different and a good case has been made for a recriticality there, more probably in my limited knowledge in OR UNDER the reactor vessel.

I guess a broad brush scenario is the "H explosion" in No. 1 took the lid off the kettle but the gas is still lit and there's plenty to boil away yet. Hence by analogy the high radiation eradings, accepting that the "broken instruments" are now "fixed".

This explosion was relatively mild (!!) because only uranium fuel was involved, is my guess.

In No. 3 containing mixed U/Pu fuel the criticality was far more energetic hence the whole kettle exploded. If much of the junk as gone up in smoke (etc.) this could explain the observable lack of activity/intensity at No.3.

 

Analogies will only get us so far but the evidence is such and these explanations might be worth looking at (in somewhat more detail).

 

Anyone for nuclear tennis?

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:11 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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Didn't they say,"it's only a tiny leak?"

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:18 | Link to Comment Use of Weapons
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They said "Chibi"

 

But it's all relative. That was "Chibi" on the WWII scale.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 22:56 | Link to Comment sundown333
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Supplements...NAC is OK but can have some side effects like nausea, vomiting, etc. If using this supplement during an emergency you may not know which is getting the best of you...the radiation or side effects. A better solution would be a good quality Whey product (glutathene, www.lifestar.com) so your body can produce ample glutathione in the body to detox and maintain liver health without the side effects.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 03:37 | Link to Comment jomama
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rad website, dude

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:24 | Link to Comment misitu
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I was wondering where this particular graph was going. And am curious to know why, but that is a question that might not be easy to answer any time soon, or at all. There is certainly something very active going on in - or below - number 1.

 

Maybe an experimental nuclear scientist or someone with access to a lot of research papers could come up with some plausible scenarios [sorry that does not include paid apologists or socially undeveloped hobbyists].

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Herbert_guthrie
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The bumbling and haphazard way of handling the reactors at Fukushima, as well as the media "blackout" of the real story in real time, is just a symptom of the underlying cause: decision-makers who are not leaders, just businessmen. Thus ALL decisions are made from financial-first, humanity-last points of view.

Quit blaming the Japanese Government - they have as little power over these companies as the US government has.

Any questions? Read "When Corporations Rule the World" for a glimpse of a bleak future, that seems to be arriving today.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Osmium
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Does it really mater what the readings are in sieverts per hour, or is it more important if they are higher or lower than expected.  Using Wall Street as a guide, 204 Sieverts/hour would be cause for celebration if the Expected readings were 210/hour. 

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