Fukushima Update: Reactor 1 Core Now At 380 Degrees Celsius, 80 More Than Normal Running Temperature

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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:44 | 1087036 Doode
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Temporature - there is a typo.

 

I see it was corrected, nm. Also, do not see the images...

 

Works now - thanks!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:54 | 1087119 Turd Ferguson
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A little help, please.

Is reactor #3 the one with the plutonium?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:56 | 1087128 TruthInSunshine
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5% plutonium, 95% other, 100% Mox.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:10 | 1087212 Natasha
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Plutonium fuel is called MOX. Errr, ok.

At this point, POX would be more apt.

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:14 | 1087229 Turd Ferguson
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And that's the shit that's really fucking bad. And that's what's in #3? Fuck...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:30 | 1087263 malikai
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The only real problem with MOX is that it melts at a lower temperature. However, that is a moot point now since it is all but documented that most if not all of these things have suffered fuel element damage.

Pu is too heavy to make it anywhere in significant quantities other than the local environment or the pacific where it will be dispersed widely and end up in sediment and a few million tuna.

The local land is already fubar due to the strontium and the surrounding prefectures including Tokyo have already had a blanket of caesium and iodine on them. There is no point in worrying about Pu because it as a problem is dwarfed by sr90 and cs137 and the cleanup measures are effectively the same.

I will add however, that Pu is hot. In terms of decay alone pu238's decay heat is over 500w/kg. That's great for generating power, but not so good when the collant pumps are broken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:40 | 1087331 Sudden Debt
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I also wonder how fast concrete will dry if they poor it on something that's 1000 degrees? :)

That's near the temperature of lava :)

 

HOW TO BUILD YOUR OWN VULCANO FUKUSHIMA STYLE!!

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:43 | 1087348 krispkritter
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Pu stinks...there, I said it...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 20:19 | 1088026 RiffRaff
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Well played.  It would have been disappointing if no one said it.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 21:08 | 1088132 Thomas
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Fuku. There. I said it.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:25 | 1087504 Inibo E. Exibo
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Plutonium is too heavy to make it anywhere in significant quantities other than the local environment or the pacific where it will be dispersed widely and end up in sediment and a few million tuna.

Zero Hedge, it's like Wonkette without the stupid part.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:28 | 1087517 duo
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Not many tuna close in to Japan anymore, I don't think, but if Pu gets concentrated like Mercury, then it will eventually end up at the top of the food chain.

I suggest stocking up on tuna, sardines, and fish oil.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:49 | 1087571 Jim in MN
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Plutonium can be transported as an aerosol and while this is not likely in a reactor fire environment, the quantities involved here make it a serious issue.

Article on nuclear weapon accidents and plutonium dispersal.

http://mvramana.yolasite.com/resources/pu_dispersal_curr_sci.pdf

Protip: any matter that is elemental can be transported, even globally.  Elements are small from a molecular standpoint even when they are 'heavy' in the periodic table.  Mercury is notorious for global aerosol transport.  For plutonium the key factor is oxidation.  It's harder to oxidize than mercury.  But that's a chemical property, not because it's 'heavy'.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:54 | 1087586 tmosley
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You're right.  I'm sure density has nothing to do with it.  It's only the size of the atoms that matters.  This is why when I chop wood, bits of my axe end up in Azerbaijan.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 18:31 | 1087662 SilverRhino
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Not buying global aersol dispersal on a metal denser than gold and tungsten

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 21:36 | 1088205 Jim in MN
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From a paper out of Lawrence Berkeley Lab which sought to reassure people that 'not that many' people would die from plutonium aerosol from a terrorist weapon--BECAUSE THE WIND WOULD TRANSPORT IT BEYOND THE CITY.

Maroons.

 

"Falling at 0.3 centimeters per second, particles from the top of a one-kilometer-high cloud would take almost 93 hours to reach the ground. It is hard to imagine that the contaminated air would remain over a city for so long. Even a light breeze (5 km/hr) would carry the cloud beyond a city the size of Munich (20 km x 20 km) in a few hours.

If there were no evacuation, no filtering of air by being inside, and if the cloud did not migrate beyond the city, the population could inhale 80 milligrams of plutonium (0.0002 milligrams per cubic meter x 1 cubic meter per hour x 93 hours x 4300) in 93 hours, which would result in about 960 cancer deaths (12 cancers per milligram x 80 milligrams = 960), in addition to the 860 cancer deaths one expects (20% of the population), from other causes, among 4300 people."

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:09 | 1087775 FatFingered
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Pushi...Anyone?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:54 | 1087903 dick cheneys ghost
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Disaster prone Indonesia wants to build 4 nukes plants......bad idea....

 

http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 22:15 | 1088337 tmosley
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Wouldn't be so bad if they would use a pebble bed reactor.

Although it just struck me that these plants should have a second line of defense in the form of a tungsten container that would catch any meltdown, and be quickly and easily sealable.  I don't think tungsten would melt even at critical temperatures.

Quick, somebody call Ft. Knox!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 00:19 | 1088776 FreeMoney Bernie
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makes me want to say waaaaaaah

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:40 | 1087548 dogismyth
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Everything will be fine tomorrow before premarket...guaranteed.  Notice the article is from Reuters.  Never trust a Reuters or AP article without questioning their motives.  How long has this Fukushitma been going on now?  And they're still working like stickmen in the mud?  This problem could have been minimized if they brought in the Germans and/or the Russians...OK...and maybe a few from China.  They're fucking idiots and its probably because the US is telling them what to do.  Why would that be?  Sorry no freebies....do your research!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:47 | 1087884 divide_by_zero
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Yep, it's all glow in the dark green shoots as far as the pump monkeys are concerned.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:56 | 1087129 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Yep

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:55 | 1087131 redpill
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Yes.  Still not entirely clear if there was any plutonium in the storage pool there, though.  If there was it wouldn't have been much because the MOX fuel was only loaded relatively recently.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:03 | 1087167 Commander Cody
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Irrelevant.  There is plutonium in every irradiated fuel assembly.  Unit 3 has it in fresh assemblies (MOX - mixed oxide).

As for temperatures, while water can be added, without a cooling system to remove heat where does it go?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:27 | 1087276 slewie the pi-rat
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i would say it changes form and flies the fuk outa there, iso-topically speaking...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:32 | 1087305 malikai
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Looking at the SPX I'd say unicorns come and piss on the reactor, causing it to instantly turn into little fluffy snowflakes which rise up into outer space.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:12 | 1087454 The Rock
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It has been said something as small as the flutter of Bernank's willy can ultimately cause a tsunami halfway around the world.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:33 | 1087538 X. Kurt OSis
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I just find endless amusement from the BBG public (sheeple) cite.  Despite all of this, here is the current list of video commentary on the landing page:

1) Buffett says US economy getting better every month.

2) Mobius Says He's Bullish on South Africa Investment

3) Guy LeBas says Inflation is a Good Thing

I've been mentioning this in other threads today, but I just can't get over the mainstream financial media.  They are the essential wingnut that holds this whole ponzi scheme together.

Hey Bloomberg,

FCK You ASSWPE <GO>

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 22:01 | 1088292 jeff montanye
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that may very well be deserved.  they did take the fed to the supreme court and won recently regarding making public some of the loans the fed made to banks in 2008, which may be modestly helpful.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:10 | 1087209 Jim in MN
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Cody is correct.  Chart of the reaction in normal fuel at this link:

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf15.html

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 20:53 | 1088113 dick cheneys ghost
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US has 71,000 tons of Nuclear waste.......and no place to put it....

 

http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 00:22 | 1088790 FreeMoney Bernie
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what about Japan

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:32 | 1087292 jus_lite_reading
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ITS CALLED MOX! The most unstable fuel used! Also used for weapons! WHOA! NO wonder they looked so worried!

Those workers bring a whole new meaning to the word kamikazi!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:07 | 1087444 THE DORK OF CORK
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All reactors produce plutonium as a waste product - the MOX however is a industrial recycling of this waste into a new fuel vessel

Burn it burn it all...............................

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:18 | 1087239 cornedmutton
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Too hot in the hot tub!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:22 | 1087498 The Rock
Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:46 | 1087047 TruthInSunshine
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It keeps getting worse.

How will we know when it's about to enter an 'unstable stage?'

Is there a specific temperature?

And just so I have this right, number 1 at Daiichi has the normal 'kill you real bad' nuclear fuel, and number 3 at Daiichi has the 'and shit in your skull' nuclear fuel, right?

Edit - The heat map is now up. Look at the pretty colors, especially at Number 3.

Is Number 2 on fire?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:51 | 1087101 Threeggg
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It will be 1370-1400 Degrees Celcius

That is the melting point of schedule 316 and 316L stainless steel that the containment vessel is made from.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 15:54 | 1087115 TruthInSunshine
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So they should probably do something before it hits that level?

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:03 | 1087176 Yield2Greatness
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Or just raise the level.  If the Japanese peasants will buy that Malarkey, then what's steel going to do about it.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:07 | 1087193 schoolsout
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rofl

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:33 | 1087299 jus_lite_reading
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When all else fails, raise the limit! ;) KAMAKAZI HO!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:40 | 1087334 Bicycle Repairman
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Well they mis-spoke when they said the containment vessel was steel.

<One hurried check of a metallurgy book later>

It's a bad-ass alloy made of steel, tungsten and zirconium.  Good for up to 100,000 degrees centigrade.  They make comets out of this shit.  You could look it up. <seriously DON'T look it up.>

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:31 | 1087521 ColonelCooper
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Where do they sell comets?  I've been looking to buy one.  Then all my other moonbat buddies who don't believe a word of the shit they've been hearing and I can eat a couple ounces of shrooms, emasculate our selves, and ride our new comet to a world where unicorns actually do shit Skittles.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 22:08 | 1088313 jeff montanye
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if you're going to get to meet skittles, the last thing you want to be is emasculated.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:08 | 1087199 TruthInSunshine
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It's like watching paint dry, not having a live feed.

Nuclear, molten, bubbling radioactive paint.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:39 | 1087319 slewie the pi-rat
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hi, TIS;  above you ask:  is # 2 on fire?  although that depends on what the meaning of "on fire" is, is, i would say that we do know that smoke is puring outa the hole in the side caused by a "pressure venting" last week, and that "something" is hotter'n the hinges of Hades, in camera, there.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:53 | 1087354 TruthInSunshine
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It's not looking good.

I'm no fancy engineer or firefighter extraordinaire, but building No. 2 definitely looks like it's on fire, given the absolute eveneness of the IR pattern throughout the structure.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 17:42 | 1087557 Commander Cody
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The heat from the reactor vessel, containment and the spent fuel pool is not being removed due to the failure of cooling systems.  Since warm air rises, it is being evenly distributed at higher elevations inside the reactor building.  Depending on the ability of the thermal imaging system to discern variations in such a wide heat field, it is somewhat positive that there is no significant heat in more discrete locations, such as the spent fuel pool, reactor vessel or containment.

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