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Fukushima Update: Reactor 1 Core Now At 380 Degrees Celsius, 80 More Than Normal Running Temperature
The latest news from Japan is not the radiation has now been found in various leaf vegetables in Fukushima, including cabbage and parsley: after all that was to be expected following the radioactive rain of the past few days. The news this time comes straight from TEPCO which finally admits that the temperature of Reactor 1 is 380-390 Celsius (715-735 Fahrenheit), which apparently is a "worry" as the reactor was meant to run at a temperature of 302 C (575 F). That is when the reactor is fully operational, not when it is supposed to be in a cold shut down mode.
From Reuters:
Hidehiko Nishiyama, the deputy-director general of Japan's nuclear safety agency, later said the smoke at reactor No.3 had stopped and there was only a small amount at No.2.
He gave no more details, but a TEPCO executive vice president, Sakae Muto, said the core of reactor No.1 was now a worry with its temperature at 380-390 Celsius (715-735 Fahrenheit).
"We need to strive to bring that down a bit," Muto told a news conference, adding that the reactor was built to run at a temperature of 302 C (575 F).
Asked if the situation at the problem reactors was getting worse, he said: "We need more time. It's too early to say that they are sufficiently stable."
As was reported only on Zero Hedge so far, the termal imagery from Fukushima indicates that if reactor one is a "worry", then reactor 3 should be a "nightmare", as according to some it is now "operating" north of 500 degrees celsius, and possibly as high as a 1,000. That's three times what it is designed to withstand.
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STFU lol
On a long enough timeline...
Abercrombie and Fitch? Why not Japanese auto companies. All those radioactive elements sound like car names already.
The 2012 Toyota Cesium 137
The Lexus Strontium 90
Hell, Nissan nee Datsun could now become Datsium
'Too hot to Hondale (= hondle)' might be quite the marketing slogan . . .
Sounds like just the product for neutered American males. No balls to lose.
Got to get the temp down "a bit" or those marshmallows are going to burn.
We need to strive to bring that down a bit.
Like if you were 5 lbs overweight maybe. No biggie, just tell the reactors not to eat so many burritos.
And considering that messing with burritos can get you shot these days, that is sound advice.
Same thing can happen from playing with the wrong taco.
One wonders when the UN Security Council will pass a resolution authorizing the 'international community' to protect innocent civilians in Japan?
'I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it'
Bob Dylan- A Hard Rains Gonna Fall
I've been 10,000 miles in the mouth of a graveyard.
IMO, Bangladesh concert best rendition.
That was the movie; Evil Roy Slade
+1
Sadly, Dylan's lyrics ring especially true these days:
"I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken" = MSM + TEPCO + CNBC, FED et al....
"And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
And it's a hard RADIOACTIVE rain's a-gonna fall."
Bulldoze a dike and flood it. No time to fly in concrete. No sense in entombing piles of hot, squashed, near-critical fuel.
Pouring water on a meltdown will make critical mass a certainty.
Enlighten me how cooling it makes critical mass certain.
Water does not have a cooling effect on a nuclear reaction, instead, the metals involved are highly reactive in a heated state and create metal hydrides and lots of hydrogen gas. A class 'D' fire does something similar, though it liberates its own oxygen.
They are presumably contained within the reactor core, though by now the mass of lava pooling at the bottom of the core may have breached the structure. Considering the damage to #3, and the grey smoke coming out, it might mean that the pooling lava has burned through containment into the basement as it did in Chernobyl, buying some time, but making control almost impossible.
As I understand it, which nobody seems to be able to explain, the mass of fuel containing uranium/plutonium in a breeder reactor design that has melted down its zirconium jacket(it would have to be extremely hot) comes into contact with water will catylize the water and create hydrogen, which if it ignites the surrounding air can provide enough of an explosion in the subbasement to drive the remaining fuel (many tons of high grade uranium/plutonium) into criticality.
Maybe. Or produced hydrogen will vent in open air, unroofed. Take the roof off #2 as a precaution.
I sure hope you don't know what the hell you are talking bout...
sounds like you do, though....sigh
Well, let's hope that I'm totally wrong.
The Soviets got it right totally by mistake, to fill the melted core when they could with sandbags & lead, and that the sand in the walls of the reactor spilled down into the basement along with the molten fuel rods basically stopped any further breakdown of the concrete in the basement. The fuel fused with the sand and stopped reacting and cooled.
Reactor cores don't cool for many years until the fuel is spent, when they're placed inside the ponds. The ponds went re-critical, meaning they bred their own fuel and boiled off the water when the pumps failed, which provided the hydrogen for the initial explosion. That means the control rods, which are essential to controlling the reaction inside the reactor are gone.
What I'm saying is if the cores had melted and breached their containment, then the lava would be in the basement, still very hot.
No wonder Obluber is in Rio. What better place to hope it changes and goes away.
I heard that Japan made the best teleprompters on the market. What's going to happen Fran6? Will the rousing speeches continue?
They can resort to using smoke signals.
"The ponds went re-critical, meaning they bred their own fuel and boiled off the water when the pumps failed, which provided the hydrogen for the initial explosion. That means the control rods, which are essential to controlling the reaction inside the reactor are gone."
I'm pretty sure almost all of this is incorrect. Where do you folks come up with this stuff?
1) the SFP's don't have to "go re-critical" to boil off their cooling water, they have decay heat that will be measurable for years.
2) bred their own fuel? Is it really that easy to make new fuel? Why do they order new fuel every 18 to 24 months for refueling outages?
3) now, explain exactly where you think that hydrogen came from....
4) and now, the doozy - you jump from the SFP to addressing the control rods in the reactor - postulating that they are gone. So, are we talking about the SFP or the reactor? Two totally different places. Assuming we are talking about the reactor, now where would those control rods go anyway? What do you even know about control rods?
Sometime these armchair nuclear design engineers just wear me out.
Fortunately, the world doesn't have much experience with this.
When the molten mass of crap hits the water table, doesn't the resulting steam explosion blow the whole thing to hell, creating essentially a dirty bomb? Not sure it matters how Japan is destroyed, but enquiring minds want to know.
The danger is that all of the uncontrolled nuclear fuel goes critical mass under the pressure of an explosion(because that's all it will take - because its already in a near-critical state), be it steam or hydrogen produced in a reaction with water.
If it hasn't gone critical mass yet, then the containment has done its initial job protecting the contents, but that doesn't mean that critical fuel in the damaged reactor buildings can't continue to meltdown.
Until they know that the containment hasn't been breached, and that the control rods have been inserted fully, then this is the risk here.
Thanks. The more I understand, the less joyful I am.
Ignorance is bliss. Go back watching MSNBC. You will feel better.
I don't think the control rods not having been inserted is very likely. That was the first thing that should have happened when the plant shut down in the earthquake. From what I understand, everything was going as expected until they ran out of juice eight hours later.
My question is, are those of us sitting on the North American Continent toast?
I'd prefer to be a biscuit. The Brits will undoubtedly become muffins and the French, croissants. Kugel, anyone?
Only if your savings are dollar denominated.
this is false...the chance of runaway criticality is negligible.
For nuclear weapons to even work, they have to have not only an implosive pressure wave, but neutron reflectors and dense tampers surrounding the criticality portion of the physics package because the thing repels itself violently via Coloumb repulsion. The fission yields on atomic bombs are quite low for this reason
by kaiserhoff, on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 16:26 #1087265
When the molten mass of crap hits the water table ...
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Rocky coastline (literally: the plant was cut into the rocky coastline), next to the ocean - how does one figure a 'water table'?
Oh, there will be fissures in the rock, saturated more or less at sea level. Just one more thing to go boom.
Fact: moisture in all rock except basalt. Is this an igneous (volcanic) coastline?
There is no "core catcher" in these plants, is there? o__0
And all the water they have been pumping all over the place? Collected somewhere? Below?
This I some scary stuff indeed. Vaporizing + 40 million sure would make the TEPCO-stock rally. Sarcasm?
Hi there - I don't recall seeing you on the threads last night (sorry if I missed you), so FWIW, physicist with Ph.D who does a bit of work on nuclear matters is a resident of my household. I'm not a scientist, but the following is what physicist has to say, which I hope will be found reassuring... not minimizing the horrors at Fukushima, simply a measured assessment... "The zircalloy is *oxidized* in the presence of steam (time/pressure/temperature dependent) to produce hydrogen in the initial stages of a loss of coolant accident. That hydrogen is what led to the explosions last week. The fuel in the rods is already in an oxidized state with a melting point of 3000C if significant amounts of the reactor were at (or near) that temperature, there would have been a massive steam explosion caused by the large amounts of water which have been pumped in - more than sufficient to breach the primary containment vessel with a far more obvious signature than the explosions and fires we have yet seen. The probability of a pool of molten fuel exisiting at the bottom of the primary containment vessel is quite remote, at this stage."
You mean some kind of steam explosion like this: ~0:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa58Yjcnkq8
Or perchance something like this: ~1:14
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7359708n
Heck, take your pick of the footage:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=explosion+fukushima&search_sort=video_view_count&suggested_categories=25%2C27&uni=3
Also, the water being "pumped in" was a) dropped from a 'basket' via helo, or b) sprayed in through holes in the walls via firehose. How much of that would get into a cracked containment vessel?
Water slows down the neutrons.
As well, plain ole' water is a spectacular moderator, creating thermal neutrons from fast neutrons, which are needed to sustain critical operation. Submerging the molten blob of amorphous metal in water (assuming it doesn't simply flash to steam at these temps) might add enough reactivity to cause the mass to go prompt critical. Snoogins.
Odds are the water would flash to steam first. But this is an uncontrolled experiment (commonly referred to as an accident) so who knows?
no, it wouldn't.
There are infrequent fission reactions in SFPs; read about them.
Boron
Hafnium is better.
"Hafnium is better."
Yup. I wonder why control rods aren't made outta that stuff? Oh, wait, they are.
Never mind.
Needs more hopium.
Unobtanium
I like where you are going with that. Please use engineered concrete structures though. Don't want to dump a million galllons of radioactive soup into ocean if a 6.0 aftershock hits.
You listening TEPCO?
once you get the bitch cold, you can go in with divers and do the rest. The boron solution should knock down the radiation.
Step 1. Dynamite turbine halls, push rubble into seaward dike and pour concrete over it.
Step 2. Dynamite nearby shop structures and dike the two ends, north of #1 and south of #4.
Step 3. Push dirt and more rubble to make a landward berm. Start pumping water. Keep building it up, throw bridge parts on top. Add boron to water bath.
I would use diesel machines, not explosives for demo. Quicker yes, but the dust from dynamite blasts would be the equivalent of a multiple "dirty bombs". messy, disruptive to the project etc.
Time is of the essence. Tomahawks.
You have to wait until people start turning brown before bombing them.
+10^1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
They're not white. Close enough.
Nuke it!
actually....this idea is....
just a SWAG but 8 weeks/reactor might be doable if you throw everything at it. 6months, and you've got it.
Better call Fedex, they need it overnight.
They're probably just scheduling the kickoff meeting of the group that will discuss the scope of the study to be bid out for consulting engineers.
If senior management approves the scoping recommendation.
Meanwhile, babies can't drink formula made with the tainted water....
Keep me notified of bid date. What are pre-qualifications?
Fuck the prequalifications they will just want a bid bond so your locked in @ that price.
Question: Will the AFLAC Duck write one ?
They won't require a Payment & Performance Bond because by the time you are finished, there will be no one left to pay and/or review your work, much less call in a warrantee issue.
News 3/22/2011 - TEPCO and the Japanese government have announced that they have reached an agreement under which TEPCO will remain in charge of the re-arranging of the deck chairs. The government however will assume responsibility for band, thus allowing TEPCO to move the chairs in a more expedient manner.
In the meantime the life preservers, previously believed to act only as flotation devices, will now, according to Ministry of Thermal Redaction repel both sharks and frigid temperatures.
Well said, sir.
Better send in some heros to change out those coolant pumps and controls and wires and sensors and pipes and supports and weld flanges and well, you get the picture.
Kobe beef, whisky and cigarettes for all. Dying healthy is such a waste.
They are using homeless people, now, as it's been reported.
"dying unknown and irrelevant" is no longer their worst fear.
If we could all be so lucky.
I'll go in Commander, [that is if Slewie goes too]. Might as well have some fun!
JJ! all morning you rubbed yer genie and i didn't say one f'n word! but that doesn't mean i didn't understand.
Source please?
Spot on, your exactly right. That is what many of the people who aren't using their noodle don't understand. That much damage has really did a number to the internal instrumentation of the reactor. All that stuff and more they would have to do would require these heroes to not only work in Radiation that is thousands of times the daily limit or monthly limit, but also the massive heat that is coming from the reactor. It's not possible, truly not possible and they don't dare to use a water cannon directly onto that hot core it might give them the explosion that they have been dreading.
Send in Mr. Spock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6c3OTr6yA
Liars... Nothing really being done...maybe intentionally just as planned:
http://contramanfund.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/japan-bombing-north-america/
they don't call it a melt down for nothign
In other news, the airlines are now whipsawing stuff.....I don't know wtf it means to be "whipsawed", but I will sure as hell pass!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Airlines-whipsawed-by-costly-apf-3922888288.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
Move away from the building....move away from the building
As hot as you can stand.
As far as I am concerned, they should have vaporized the place with a nuclear warhead or thermobaric bomb series.
Yes, you have said nuke it from the very beginning. Honestly though, I thought you were either drunk or mad.
I'm not quite as sure now. JC....
Anybody care to hazard a guess what this will do to that $264B estimate of rebuilding costs? I'm thinking that's low, myself.
Well @ least "yellow" fin tuna will make a comeback ! even though they will be Iridescent Green.
Scientific name will be re-named from Thunnus albacares to Thunnus albawhocares it wont hurt you.
There is another punchline in there somewhere, I know it. !
Surely, you mean yellow cake tuna.
I am eagerly awaiting a local bar to offer Fukushima wings. So hot they'll melt your face!!
I found a great app for Android phones called RadDroid. It provides current, real-time, radiation mesurements (Beta & Gamma) in whatever area you choose anywhere in the U.S. It's $2 and it shows meaningful information about the levels of radiation starting to reach the USA.
The readout is compared to normal ambient radiation so, for example, right now where I live is S. Calif it's reading the measurements from San Bernadino County and indicates that Gamma is 93% of normal and Beta is 36% of normal. The numbers are real time numbers and they're from the EPA’s radiation detection system. The readout is like having a radiation detector with you all the time and it can be shifted to any of the front pages of your Android phone.
https://market.android.com/details?id=net.rage.radnet
I watched that video of the #3 Reactor explosion again. Now that I have a better idea of just how large these buildings are (4 stories tall), the scale of that blast really becomes more clear. That was a truly massive explosion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ
Re: the three 'reports' (booms) heard:
1) Outer building?
2) Drywell/containment (light-bulb shaped on a GE Mark I containment)?
3) Reactor vessel? Or the quenching Torus below the light-bulb-shaped containment?
Okay - after some cogitating, here's what might have blown:
1) A interior room or section on the south side where we see the first fireball.
2) The roof - taking with it several of the walls (note these were not truss-type structures) ... this creates the small dark mushroom cloud that rises quickly
3) Additional interior rooms/section blew ...
BTW, the status for the past few days has indicated:
Pressure of the Reactor Pressure Vessel -
#1 Stable
#2 Unknown
#3 Unknown
Containment Vessel Pressure -
#1 Stable
#2 Stable
#3 Decreasing after increase in Mar. 20th
Source of status reports: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/index.php
This video tells us something. First explosion was horizontal but prolly had enough downward force to crack the lid covering the core chamber. Second blast was pure vertical telling us it was deep in the structure and the concrete walls surrounding the core forced it straight up. Third bang, dunno.
Good analysis.
Terrible prognosis.
Based on the scale shown in Figure 1 of the article presented at the following link, those containment buildings are ~120 ft cubes.
http://allthingsnuclear.org/post/3940804083/possible-cause-of-reactor-bu...
Google "2000 lb JDAM bomb explosion video YouTube" and view some of the videos to get an idea as to what a 2000 lb conventional bomb explosion looks like. The explosion at reactor 3 appears to be at least the equivalent of 2000 lbs of high explosive.
As all this is occuring the full might and focus of the Anglo American elites remains with killing Gadaffi. Supposedly our leaders are concerned about being humanitarian while the resources of our nations focus on illegal war. This make sense to anyone ? If a earthquake, tsunami and ongoing nuclear catastrophe cannot give the war mongers pause what will? Every resource and brain in the Western world should be concentrated on ending/assisting Japan with this. Instead our puppet in chief is on vacation, watching NCAA and claiming we are attacking Libya to SAVE LIVES. I'm disgusted.
Yes I agree, it is negatively nauseating. And it is so wacked from any reasonable common sense, that I can't help wondering if something more sinister is going on.....
Even my 8yo asked me last night why the news isn't talking about Japan anymore and why we were bombing Libya. I told him to write the president and ask him or our congressman and senators. I know that wouldn't matter but I thought it was important I give him some sort of avenue to have his questions answered.
That was a great idea. Better off with the Senate & Congress than the prompter. All of this can be reversed if we just teach our children the right things about economics, corruption and try to guide them to the right places for information free of propaganda. Eventually it will all pay off because of primarily the Internet and sites like ZH.
Even your child understands that people need our help on a very small island and all these guys can stay centered on is trying to win votes and keep the recovery illusion intact. True leaders address the problem at the core that do not wait and say,
" I need to know where my people are going... so that I can lead them"
you can't teach what you don't know neither can you lead where you won't go
+ 1000 John, Day, and Sweet.
That’s the best recap of the current insanity I’ve seen.
Explain to your son that they are all criminals, being wholly incompetent for any other line of work.
Honestly he asked me about 9/11 the other day and what happened and I had to swallow hard and simply say it was a sad day for everyone. Since he still believes in Santa I don't want to steal his childhood away just yet. On a positive note I have not baptised any of my children and want them to come to their own conclusions ob the subject. We've had very interesting conversations already. He has come to the conclusion that Jesus was not god but was definitely speaking from the heart. I was so amazed by the simply beauty of coming to that most important factor (being the message and not the belief) I almost cried.
Sounds like you have a smart kid there.
Ah, to be in that magical state of mind to still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and 19 highjackers....
john Mac, you forget to add to the BO's running tally, he has lowered his handicap to 9. i know damn well, he cheats, his golf swing sucks.
Shankapotomus Prez
Obooba plays golf the way he bowls and throws a ball - like a young girl. His real handi is 20+ for sure.
First, I think the whole Right/Left,repub/dem thing is a joke
but a funny thought exersise would be; What Would McCain and Palin be doing right now?
The MILF and the Maverick would have fixed it all???
same script, same show
different costumes and soundtrack
probably a lot funnier though....
Ya Alot funnier.
Political Parties are like The Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals.
Two different teams. Both paychecks cut from the same company.
but we have the generators powered up....... isn't it working great.......
what hogwash they don't have a clue........
So what is the plan Japs?
Russians don't take a dump, son... without a plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb0QLxcvowk
AC
I will be going grocery shopping with my wife in about 15 minutes, who will take the over under when I will see portable geiger counters in the "Fresh Produce Isle"
Or do you want the vigorish ?
Shopping for Broccolli and start hearing someones counter "Raging" is what too expect soon !!
Already beat ya. NO important readings above background here in FL.
Cue GW's next doomsday post.......
mynhair,
Thats a great Idea for a website like "AngiesList" lets call it "Schindler's Lists" for real time fresh produce radiation level updates.
The next "BIG" I-Phone app ?
Can they report this in the Main Stream Media now? Markets are closed and all.
Where are our incredibly intrepid and frisky muckrakers of truth in the press?
This just in at the Ministry of Truth [CNBC]...Simon Hobbs reporting that the lights are on in the control room for reactor #1.
There. See? All better.
Hobbs!
Again with the Hobbs!
Damn that CNBC and their limeys.
"My pocket protector! I thought I'd never see you again!"
People here HATE any positive developments.
They're just stating a fuckin fact, control room power is restored.
I know you guys are disappointed as hell that shit hasn't hit the fan and "The Road" isn't reality yet
You probably have a worse record than TEPCO.
In other words, it's fucking comical to hear you bitch and preach.
By the way, reactor 1 temp is 400 degrees celsius as I type this, and you said it would be cool as a popsicle.
Fucking poser.
The plan:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/446688075_aa5300c4b4.jpg
I'm hoping that running at 380/390 celsius when designed for 302 celsius is well within the design specification: ~25-30% additional heat should not be enough to cause structural failure of pressure containers. These things should be massively over-engineered, at least for physical conditions.
I'm more worried than before about building 2. Because the roof is intact, the heat is rising to the roofline and evenly distributing heat into the roof. While heat rises and concentrates vertically, it is then displaced by hotter air coming up. The displaced heat dissipates according to the inverse square law, so with a reasonable margin of error, the actual heat inside the building could be calculated by knowing the height difference in free air between the reactor and the roof, and the location of the reactor within the building. I don't know what the orange colour on the picture means in degrees celsius, but the guys operating the plant will have that info. They'll know the temperature. My guess? Higher than in the other 3 buildings.
Why can't they make a small hole in the wall and put in a camera and probe?
small hole = kabloom!
Agreed. Heat map of reactor 2 seems to be slightly more concentrated towards the top right of the image.
Um... the reactor is hotter than operating temperature 11 days after it was scrammed. To me that indicates a strong possibility that at least a portion of the fuel has reached recriticality.
Unless that heat came from the sporadic fires. Lets hope it came from the fires.
And ... Fed delenda est.
And you base this conjecture of recriticality on WHAT exactly?
Are you aware that like 5-10% of a NPP's MWs are provided by decay heat alone?
There's ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of this in the Japanese media in Japanese. It's beyond criminal.
This Nishiyama guy at Nuclear Safety Agency is about the only bureaucrat who speaks straight (bureaucratically speaking that is), and therefore he is not covered by the Japanese media. Only Bloomberg Japan follows, occasionally.
Maybe a bit of a lag, but the Ministry of Truth [CNBC] just reported that the Fukushima engineers were able to get the lights on in a control room at the facility.
This should could cause you feel less angry...and I can tell you are the type that has anger management issues. We all know that getting the lights on is the step that happens right before the destroyed reactors are swiftly cooled and brought under control.
I'd buy shares of Apple in the AH if I were you...and then I would chill out and start counting my chickens.
"Maybe a bit of a lag, but the Ministry of Truth [CNBC] just reported that the Fukushima engineers were able to get the lights on..."
...or maybe it was just a fire...
Well, I would count the chickens that are still alive. Then find some sucker in Tokyo to purchase them quickly.
Judging from this pic, there isn't a light bulb left in either containment building to turn on. So it might takes a few more days. Patience grasshopper.
You know brother Cog,
You could have chosen to put up a picture of an aquatic unicorn. But did you? No, you choose to repost that ugly picture. I'd be willing to bet that you even photo shopped out the control room lights that just came on. Am I right?
And you know as well as I do that hooking up the electrical line and replacing the light bulbs in the control room represents great progress at the site, and the meltdown, such as it is, is probably going to be fixed in the next hour or so.
Really....I don't know why I did not go long Apple sooner. The simple act has changed my very life. Maybe, while on vacation, I should splurge and buy an Ipad 2? I understand it is the wave of the future, dude...100 % electronic.
Nope, no photo shop needed. That's an unqualified grade 'A" number one 100% all natural fuck up right there, TEPCO style.
Too bad those emergency generators that were placed in the basement of a nuclear plant building on the coast of a country known to experience massive earthquakes and tsunamis acted so traitorous and conked out in less than one hour.
You can usually rubber cord a gen set in a crisis, it's the location of the switch gear that got me (think of it like the main circuit breaker panel for you house going under sea water, silt etc)! It's great that they got a light on in the control room but how about the radiation levels in the control rooms? How are the I&E techs doing getting the critical controls, instrumentation and pumps back up (fuck the lights!)? And what are the plans for dealing with the corrosion, structural compromising and further reduced cooling ability (as the damn thing scales up), that will result from using sea water in the cooling loop? Stable and under-control my ass.....
"Tomorrow I'll think of some way . . . after all, tomorrow is another day." TEPCO engineers.......
I suppose it could have been way worse, the tsunami could have just washed the spent hot rods all over the countryside.
Great post
can you say G L O R Y H O L E , bitches?
JFC WTF is WRONG with you?
Why do you WANT this disaster to get worse?
You motherfuckers are BOOING decent news or ANY positive development as if ANYONE implied shit is going to be fine as a result of a positive development.
They state a fucking FACT and you boo it.
If I'm not mistaken CD,that structure right in front of the main building look's like a chiller plant,and that pipe to nowhere is prob. the chilled water pipe- Hmmm,not good
No problem. They'll just send a few boys down to the beach with some 5 gallon buckets and scoop up some nice cold seawater. We'll have this baby down to 98.6 F in no time.
OK, now who's got the Tylenol?
NOBODY is saying that!
When faced with the HORRIBLE outcome of a NON negative development, you people simply invent a strawman like that ANYONE ever said that shit was going to be "just fine"!
WTF is WRONG with all of you?
Slap on a little sky blue paint, dab on some fluffy white clouds, re-hang the curtains and it'll look good as new.
Flip that house Special edition-it aught to make a killing
Better yet, Extreme Makeover Home Edition. I don't think anyone would be calling for them to move the bus, however.
What annoys me to no end is that in any FOX and some other "presentations" they show these structures as intact (pristine cubes), and NON of these photo's, thermal images, or videos.
Here's a resfreshing difference from the usual "nothing to see here. Some good footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiXIODVlfXk
Thank's for the link Reptil-good stuff
I agree, On the left side of that picture, I believe there are at least 3 light bulbs that need replacing. Get a couple maintenance people with some 60 watt bulbs.
Here I can't say it is criminal. They are dealing with a complex situation and giving an accurate media feed, should be the least of their problems.
Sure there are population exposure issues, but where the fuck are all these millions of people going to go? Candyasses here are freaking out about rad readings, but though we all need to be concerned.
Even though gubbermints are corrupted at many levels, IF they want the best and they are the best corrected to resources around the planet, they will do their best. Or at least, I hope so.
If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we would all have a merry Christmas.
Every day that goes by, the safer the situation is. Fission stopped the moment the reactors scrammed. Since then, heat has been residual as the fission byproducts break down. Zerohedge has done a knock up job dramatically over-hyping the seriousness of the situation. I blogged about it here: http://freedomofoceania.blogspot.com/2011/03/media-please-panic-into-com...
Do yourself a favor and read up on the reality of the situation:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/22/fukushima_tuesday_2/
First, your name is "SgtShafttoe.'
Second, you didn't pay your web hosting bill.
Page not foundEdit - did you just pay the damn bill? That was fast.
Edit - You have a few good articles on your blog, but I think you're way off base on the Fukushima event.
Freedom of Oceania...sounds lovely. Do they have aquatic unicorns there? They swim so gracefully...it's beautiful.
Now that the lights are on at Fukushima and things are just about fixed right up, maybe I should take some time off and visit F.O.Ocieania?
I never knew how bullishness was so mood altering? I feel like I could probably fix Fukushima from here :) :) Double happy face :)...oh, triple.
I don't think he knows this is in centigrade.
Hey SgtSaftToe: This shit's in centigrade.
He should know now.
I still don't think he heard you. Try all caps.
LOL...CD's been on fire lately...
Got it, still not touching failure temp though...
http://freedomofoceania.blogspot.com/2011/03/media-please-panic-into-com...
Well we could all use a refresher.
What do you estimate the residual thermal energy to be in each reactor core, in MW?
Same question, common fuel storage pool, in MW.
How much water can each boil from room temperature in, say, a week?
If there is no water present, estimate the time to 1) cladding oxidation point and 2) fuel melting point.
No need to estimate the combined potential heat from residual heat, cladding oxidation and recriticality....'hot enough' is the answer.