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Fukushima Update: Reactor 1 Core Now At 380 Degrees Celsius, 80 More Than Normal Running Temperature
The latest news from Japan is not the radiation has now been found in various leaf vegetables in Fukushima, including cabbage and parsley: after all that was to be expected following the radioactive rain of the past few days. The news this time comes straight from TEPCO which finally admits that the temperature of Reactor 1 is 380-390 Celsius (715-735 Fahrenheit), which apparently is a "worry" as the reactor was meant to run at a temperature of 302 C (575 F). That is when the reactor is fully operational, not when it is supposed to be in a cold shut down mode.
From Reuters:
Hidehiko Nishiyama, the deputy-director general of Japan's nuclear safety agency, later said the smoke at reactor No.3 had stopped and there was only a small amount at No.2.
He gave no more details, but a TEPCO executive vice president, Sakae Muto, said the core of reactor No.1 was now a worry with its temperature at 380-390 Celsius (715-735 Fahrenheit).
"We need to strive to bring that down a bit," Muto told a news conference, adding that the reactor was built to run at a temperature of 302 C (575 F).
Asked if the situation at the problem reactors was getting worse, he said: "We need more time. It's too early to say that they are sufficiently stable."
As was reported only on Zero Hedge so far, the termal imagery from Fukushima indicates that if reactor one is a "worry", then reactor 3 should be a "nightmare", as according to some it is now "operating" north of 500 degrees celsius, and possibly as high as a 1,000. That's three times what it is designed to withstand.
From yesterday:
h/t TH
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I'm not a nuclear engineer, though I know a couple, but here goes:
Fission creates heat, but heat does not create fission. The fission reaction stopped when the reactors scrammed, meaning the chain reaction stopped while the earthquake was still going. At that point, the reactors were non-op and in a cool-down state. That departs from the Chernobyl and Three Mile Island events from the start. In both of the other scenarios, the fission reaction continued, that is the reactors continued to operate.
This type of reactor (BWR) takes days to reach a point where the reactor and rods do not require active cooling (flowing water). During this time, the major source of heat is from beta decay of the fission byproducts that are remaining in the jar. At the moment the reactor is shut down, the decay heat is approx 6.5% of the previous core energy. Following that, after about an hour the heat level reduces to approximately 1.5% of the previous core power (heat) level. The Fukushima reactors were on battery power (and genset power for a time) for a total of several hours. That was the most dangerous period of time. At this point, the decay heat has fallen to a pretty low level, making a meltdown impossible, or as close to impossible as a reasonable person can calculate.
Edit - to reply to the smart ass comment above:
Uranium Oxide melts at 2800 degrees C
Zircaloy (cladding) fails at 1200 degrees C
The containment structure is a hermetically (air tight) sealed, very thick structure made of steel and concrete. This structure is designed, built and tested for one single purpose: To contain, indefinitely, a complete core meltdown. To aid in this purpose, a large, thick concrete structure is poured around the containment structure and is referred to as the secondary containment.
Ok, instead of continuing to get "junked", the best thing for you to do at this point is to go back to your "nuclear engineering friends" and have them explain the process to you "again" (either you didn't "get it" or they aren't nuclear engineers). And this time ask how much heat the "non operating in a cool down state" rods give off (if you are not an engineer get them to give you "scalable comparisons" for this type of reactor), then ask what happens if in the beginning of the "cool down process" these rods lose cooling ie water is not covering the rods anymore and while your at it, ask at what temperature the rods start to melt and once that happens, and the melted rods pool at the bottom how long till they go critical and re-start the fission process, (you may want to also understand the reason for putting boron into the reactor)??????
After you do your homework why don't you come back and edit your comments.
Well, you obviously are not a nuclear engineer. Boron "poison" was likely injected into the reactor after the scram. Incidentally, it is possible to scram a reactor without the control rods, by simply using boron to inhibit the moderator (water) though it's slower. As I said in my post earlier, the most critical time was shortly after the reactors were shut down, and every minute past that moment reduces the chance of more problems. BTW, you replied to my comment, did you not even see the temperatures I listed for uranium and fuel rod melt????? Those temps were likely never reached if you had the patience or ability to go do the math:
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/e/6/ae6210d19542ac7a5a910f64626a67d4....">If fission was still present, we would be seeing increasing levels of iodine coming from the reactor. At this point, things are looking pretty good. It's likely the NRC will downgrade the severity of the event very soon.
Chernobyl is impossible. Chernobyl was continuing to sustain a fission "critical" reaction, in a reactor container with no containment. In fact, the reactor lid blew off the top spewed huge quantities of fresh fission byproducts into the air, while the remaining fuel melted through the bottom of the reactor onto the floor of the reactor building. That, my imaginative friend, is impossible.
There are enough real problems out there in the big wide world to deal with without having chicken littles' running around screaming in panic causing people to make irrational or stupid decisions, based on false convictions that the world will explode when the hadron collider is switched on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decay_heat
If you need some more education, go here: the MIT Nuclear Information Hub:
http://mitnse.com/
You don't need fission to destroy these systems. You just need heat.
You're arguing yourself into a froth about nothing that is relevant. Recriticality is the icing on the icing, not the cake.
Here, I will even cut and paste from your own little link:
"The removal of the decay heat is a significant reactor safety concern, especially shortly after normal shutdown or following a loss-of-coolant accident. Failure to remove decay heat may cause the reactor core temperature to rise to dangerous levels and has caused nuclear accidents, including the nuclear accidents at Three Mile Island and Fukushima I."
Nobody who is being serious (at times) here has claimed this will be a carbon copy of Chernobyl. But only shills and buffoons have claimed there is not a significant risk of widespread contamination.
You are a merchant of red herrings. At best.
If the reactor is at higher-than-operating temperature 11 days after the scram -- what do you think of the possibility of recriticality as the source of the heat?
Fed delenda est.
I'm not a nuclear engineer but, I did see one weeping and calling for prayer in the public square at fukushima the other day so......
rather high?
During operation, the reactor is under active cooling, and heat dissapation due to the turbine cycle. I'll repeat myself. Fission creates heat, but heat does not equal fission. Secondly, a moderator is required (water) in order for fission to properly occur in these reactors. The moderator (water) slows down the neutrons in order to cause other uranium atoms to split creating a fission reaction. Without the moderator, fission isn't properly sustained or possible. Secondly, the control rods were slammed into the reactor at the moment the earthquake started, they are designed to stop the fission reaction in the presence of the moderator. Thirdly, there is the "poison" tank, full of boron, that can be injected into the reactor to stop the reaction on it's own.
There is a certain amount of heat created with the rods in a storage condition. That's normal. Heat far above normal can damage the reactor, instrumentation, and the rods, requiring scrapping the reactor and costly teardown. However, the twin containment mitigations are still in no danger of failing, and there is less danger now than there was yesterday, and the day before. So long as the heat is below the point it will melt the rod cladding and assemblies, or the uranium oxide, you could have a pile of rods junked on the bottom of the reactor, with no danger to anyone. That is exactly the condition of the three Mile Island reactor core photo here: http://www.memagazine.org/supparch/peoct04/threemile/peoct10.jpg
OK, so it's quite possible for the core to be hot without necessarily being damaged after a loss of coolant accident. Now we just need to know the temperature of the core. Right now we don't. The temp given by TEPCO is a temp "of the building". they do not have sensors looking at the core, and if they did they wouldn't tell us.
No! Dang it. I'm doing exactly what I keep warning other people against.
Why are we talking about conditions in the core, when the core is the least of our worries? We have hundreds of tons of fuel rods with no containment at all. That is where we should be worried about recriticality.
I'm trying to figure out what the signs of recriticality might be. That is probably a vain exercise when the people in charge clearly believe that they cannot release full or honest information.
Fed delenda est.
It will be hard to discern recriticality in the cores or the waste, because it's the third major heat driver after decay heat and cladding oxidation. In a way it doesn't matter. Once you're there you're in a world of hurt.
"That is where we should be worried about recriticality."
OK, since this seems to be a recurring mantra, how does this "recriticality" occur? What exactly is going to add enough positive reactivity to allow a sustainable chain reaction? What will act as the moderator, or will this be an all fast-fission self sustaining reaction? Would this be due to excessive load of tramp U238?
Used nuclear fuel will continue to generate heat after it has been removed from the core. There are tables available for you to determine the amount of energy being generated by each fuel bundle in the SFP. It is typically calculated by fuel age and initial concentration and add burnable poisons. The total number of bundles and their generated decay heat are used to determine the time to boil for the SFP's. Our nuke engineers do those calculations all the time.
ZERO. the reactors are subcritical. Period.
There are too many nuclear poisons and insufficient moderators to sustain fission.
"As only small numbers of personnel are involved, and cancer is a very common cause of death, future investigations decades from now will almost certainly not be able to attribute any cases of cancer among the workers to service during the current incident."
One has to wonder if the article at theregister is serious or tongue in cheek. "Gee, lots of people die from cancer anyhow so we've covered our bases well in advance!"
Hey Sgt, what does "Chernobyl wasn't Chernobyl mean? from your blog.
It's a link to an article from the register... worth a read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/22/fukushima_tuesday_2/page2.html
To ALL Japanese residents living within 100 KM of Fukushima...evacuate!
Calmly evacuate before the actual possibility of a complete meltdown happens, because if it does, you will face a tsunami of desperate people trying to stampede out.
This is not panic...when government says things are getting better, that's when you run.
Run now and run fast and far to safety.
Good time to leave Tokyo. Beat the rush.
Hell yeah. I lived there once, and were I there now I'd spend my last nickel to get out, pronto.
Run where?
Your house?
To ALL Japanese residents living within 100 KM of Fukushima...evacuate!
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Wrong unit and wrong multiplier; lower case 'k' for kilo (x1000) and lower case 'm' for meters ...
100 km
Kiloton Bitchez.
...hopefully someone will begin monitoring lettuce coming from the Salinas Valley....
still not even high enough to melt any steel, iron or concrete. so if they continue to cool it like before at least it wont get much worse
Lets see, salt water, high temperatures and (maybe) pressures and STAINLESS STEEL!!!!!!! Ignorance is truly bliss.........
"Lets see, salt water, high temperatures and (maybe) pressures and STAINLESS STEEL!!!!!!!"
Oh my gosh, that sounds just like the desalination plants I used to run in the Navy. Who knew that I was only inches away from such a deadly combination!
It's a good thing that fasteners and other structures continuously exposed to salt water or spray are not made from Stainless Steel! No siree! Nothing but good old Carbon Steel for those critical applications.
"still not even high enough to melt any steel, iron or concrete..."
You might be on to something there. Tepco should issue a press release immediately:
TEPCO: Temperatures inside the exploded reactors have not yet become hot enough to melt steel or concrete so there is no cause for alarm.
So comforting.
Yesterday they were saying that the situation is "on the verge of being stabilized..."
Maybe I'm jaded, but if your significant other said that they were "on the verge of being faithful" that would not be a particularly positive statement. Kinda like being almost employed.
In simpler terms: The situation is not under control
Bloomberg - Brian Swint - Kari Lundgren - 5 days ago
Notice this was 5 days ago? See where I'm going with this?
LOL +350 (C)
My last vestiges of trust in The Press are gone. Now I know how the Russians must have felt in 1991.
What previous said
Yeah.....but it's getting closer to "almost under control" and further away from "not under control"......except on days like this when things are "really not under control"......but these "really not under control" days are becoming less and less common. In fact I would say only 3 out of 7 days a week are now "not under control" and 2 out of 7 days a week are "really not under control" while 2 out of 7 days are "almost under control" which is much better than last week when 7 out of 7 days were "really not under control".
So yes, there is marked improvement in the situation and I expect the situation will be on average "almost under control" more days than "not under control". Now, if you have finished with your question, please move to the shower and decontamination area.
To be fair to Brian Swint, he did pepper the word "maybe" in there. That was a good move.
And the day we wake up to the news that they've nuked and vaporized it will the day it finally comes under control.
Great reporting, TD!
Must be a magic extension cord, to fix that pile of nuclear rubble.
Break out the fucking Boron already. The reactors are f'd now with sea water. Quit pissing around. Enough with the saving face Asian shit. Slow the reactions down.
http://apeakunderthehood.blogspot.com/
Used House or Used Lexus
That my friends is the real question!
I would take the Lexus given where the housing market is headed, unless the Lexus was made in Japan near this Daiichi place.
I'd rather just buy silver with the value of either, though (do you hear me, Blythe Masters?).
What kind of parent names their daughter Blythe? Sickos.
What kind of parent names their daughter Blythe? Sickos.
They were aiming for Bliss, but the misunderstanding due to the lisp and all.....
I know a couple who named their son Tiger, a year or two before T. Woods' meltdown. Like Tiger & Elin, the couple is now divorced.
any word on that oil plume in the gulf?
Is there gonna be any seafood left?
I propose we put a cover up over it and talk about something else.
As long as I don't see a picture of a mushroom, I'm sure we'll be fine... here in Europe.
And if things go bad and radiation becomes a problem in the US (cali)... I'll be sure to buy a bumper sticker to express my support for you guys.
likewise i'm sure
I talked to a relative of mine who worked on designing Canada's Heavy Water Reactor, CANDU.
He thinks things are pretty grim. He thinks that the reason that the piles are still so hot is because the control rods didn't go all the way in and so the pile is still working at some percentage. He suspects that the earthquake bent the pile which prevented the control rods from moving from where they were at the time of the earthquake or prevented them from going further than where the bend is preventing complete shutdown as is supposed to happen. He is speculating but I think it has the ring of truth to it as the pathology of the problem appears to back him up.
Does anyone know for sure that the control rods SCRAM'ed correctly? I haven't heard for sure, just people assuming that everything worked properly.
He bases this on a similar problem that they had with a small research reactor where the pile bent and they couldn't move the control rod. Fortunately, in HW reactors you can shut everything down by REMOVING most of the water. The CANDU was designed to fail safe and doesn't have a sustaining reaction without the Heavy Water. The CANDU in general is "walk away safe".
If he is right then they will never be able to shut the piles down. He doesn't really know what people are going to do there short of burying it under concrete.
I don't know if Fukushima has bent rods but I'm pretty sure Bill has a bent rod.
-Monica
LOL
Yes.....but is it bent left or right? On second thought I don't want to know.
We're going to have to send in the engineers (suicide mission) to asses that, and to see if the situation is salvagable.
The situation may be grave.
The engineers are prepared to die.
Way to stay current.
Hey just because a rod's bent don't mean it can't heat up...
@ kingtoots
re the controls rods
the first few TEPCO press releases noted a control rod insertion issue w one (or maybe two, memory fuzzy) reactors, but none in the rest. They also reported that these problems were worked out. SO, if you trust those press releases, the rods got in ok in all 6 eventually.
Ask him why a third of Canada's reactors had to be shut down. Everyone has a favorite design...but nothing's perfect :^)
TEPCO said the shutdowns worked...but basically no one knows the condition of anything in the reactors. They haven't even seen them visually since the accident, or haven't discussed what they saw. All we are told are varying degrees of suspected damage. I venture to guess that each one is a bit different.
Even SCRAM'ed the heat is there (control rods don't absorb heat) and with no cooling systems, you'd end up where we are. It's more or less just a heat sink problem until more stuff gets damaged, then each unit goes on its own course/failure path.
Certainly a valid question....a partial SCRAM makes it a whole lot harder to cool.
SgrShaftToe specifically said the BWR at Fukushima is "designed to contain a core meltdown indefinitely."
He was joking, right?
Would you trust a man, with a toe up his shaft, hawking red herrings in a disaster zone?
Wait, wasn't that a Dylan number....
You are going to have to be a little more specific about your claim.
From the wiki:
- Canada: 17 (+3 refurbishing, +5 decommissioned)
- South Korea: 4
- China: 2
- India: 2 (+13 CANDU-derivatives in use, +3 CANDU-derivatives under construction)
- Argentina: 1
- Romania: 2 (+3 under construction, currently dormant)
- Pakistan: 1
so if you count the decommissioned reactors that is only 20% in Canada and less if you include the world wide count. Are you saying that LWR never get decommissioned? It could be that the reactors were old. The first reactor was started in 1952 after all. Believe me, My cousin has no love for AECL but lets call a spade a spade. The LWR design that the US and France use is bad by design and is only made safer by piling more and more stuff on it to make it safer.The LWR is based on the fact that you are building bombs either at the begining or at the end of the fuel cycle.
CBC report, 1997:
Trouble for Ontario's CandusBroadcast Date: Aug. 13, 1997
"Some say it is the beginning of the end for nuclear power in Canada. Ontario is facing the largest nuclear reactor shutdown in the world: seven of its 19 Candus will be closed, and the rest need major upgrading. It's the result of a scathing independent report that blasts the management and performance of Ontario Hydro's nuclear reactors."
http://archives.cbc.ca/science_technology/energy_production/clips/908/
I never said the older LWRs are superb pieces of technology, FWIW...but I have been around for a while.
That is easy to explain, that article shows that it is more of a political/economic decision rather than an inherent safety problem.
The Canadian government had difficulty selling the design abroad which made it more difficult to update and upgrade existing designs that are 50 years old which, domestically was a difficult sell and externally was priced out of the market. Nothing lasts for ever, machines need maintenance and it is difficult to get money for politically unpopular things.
If your point was that they were shutdown because it wasn't a safe design or were inherentely flawed, I dont' see it. More like they were shutdown because of apathy.
What I do see is a middle power trying to get into a very expensive game with people who have deeper pockets and finally folding because they ran out of money. Even the best poker player with a short stack can't compete with crappy players with a pile of chips.
The French and US had a strategic interest in their designs being the dominant designs and they have a shitload of money. As they say in the drug biz (and big ticket international infrastructure projects), the first one is free.
History is littered with technical designs that were superior but were passed over for designs that had become more popular for whatever reason (e.g. Beta vs. VHS, QWERTY vs. Dvorak, etc.). Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good (see The Village People)
I'm glad you have been around for a while, I hope you are around for a lot longer. But tell me why there have been 2 accidents at LWR as opposed to none at HWR? :)
tyler. the zeroHedge site may be in danger. more and more z heads are exploding, and at an accelerating pace, but, at least it's not boron...
numero uno: He gave no more details, but a TEPCO executive vice president, Sakae Muto, said the core of reactor No.1 was now a worry with its temperature at 380-390 Celsius (715-735 Fahrenheit).
actually, this is kinda old news. which means we should be getting a report that it has blown itself to smithereens, smithers, in about 15 minutes...
I've suspected the same thing myself for a few days, that they are delaying their releases of info.
I would bet that these tempuratures were reached yesterday, and they have gone beyond that now.
Operation Sock Puppet.
It's gone live.
I have no doubt.
Some claim I'm paranoid, but I'm really just observing reality and commenting on it.
Tyler, as I said before, the thermograms you are displaying do not show a level spectrum. This part of the thermograms has been, IMO, omitted intentionally. The white areas of the images are likely saturated if they are using a typical digital IR radiometer. The fact that there are saturated pixels would mean that the superimposed temperature figures can not be validated by the cameras level and span indicator, which is saved with each image file. That is why I originally suspected that the white area temperatures were much higher than were being indicated. I guess we now know the answer. If they are now saying 380C then I would figure on doubling that number atleast.
P.S. IR radiometers measure SURFACE temperature. They can only measure something in the line-of-sight. Anything beyond that must be inferred.
P.S.S. IR radiometers do not measure temperature, they measure radiance. Temperature must be inferred through the use of proper calibration curves. Point being...a thermogram is easily manipulated.
pssss. Thanks for the posts.(read your original too and I concur)
My guess is that the internal temperatures are beyond the melting point of some important metals used in the design, at this very moment.
Looking back to last week when all those explosion were being reported, the only guy had the guts to tell the truth was the American official who said it was a partial meltdown and everybody in the Jap government and the media were so quick to refute him. Now with all the info coming in about the radiation readings and the polluted food and water, that tells me he was right and all those fucks telling people not to panic are borderline criminals for not evacuating eveybody from within 100 miles of the reactors. It is a shame when the health of financial markets come at the expense of people's health or even lives
How come the entire race of spongeBobs weren't available to soak up the tides when the tsunami came in?
hmmm...sponge filteration?
http://www.sponge-filter.com/
Not that it will happen, but more than one person is going to owe GW an apology when this thing finally reaches the end of its current trend line.
borderline?
Looks like someone on Glenn Beck's producing staff stole their material from Tyler and Zero Hedge because tonights leading story " Is the conviction for the man creating coinage" that Tyler discussed yesterday.
Also on Friday he claims he is doing a piece on the Federal Reserve and will address all the "crazy conspiracy theories about Jekyll Island" so he just lost the remaining credibility he had with me as a non captured if on Friday he claims this was not a scam perpetrated on the American taxpayer to socialize losses of banks.
Also on Friday he claims he is doing a piece on the Federal Reserve and will address all the "crazy conspiracy theories about Jekyll Island" so he just lost the remaining credibility he had with me
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Having a tough time ferreting out a position on that one; so there is a Jekyll Island - Fed Reserve conspiracy?
Just for the record (not that I'm long or short conspiracies this quarter) ...
Then read the facts. Start with the book 'Creature from Jekyll Island" No Conjecture, just history that can be verified by numerous other sources.
They even held the 100th reunion there last year just to thumb the noses of everyone.
Good god man, just do the research, don't be lazy, and learn the facts. It's all in plain sight.
Then read the facts. Start with the book 'Creature from Jekyll Island"
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A book filled with 'facts' on the creation of the Fed is titled "Creature from ..."
Right.
Somehow, I'm just having a real hard time with this ... I'm thinking this 'work' is not real scholarly - would that be a correct assumption?
John
We talked about this before. Yes, I believe he is one of those cowboys riding ahead of the stampeded herd to turn the leading cows back to the barn.
Had to gain cred at first with a few snippets of truth, then slowly turn the herd, slowly turn the herd after he had a following....
dup..sorry
Rad release since day one, pressure releases only when it got real bad with holes in the walls, clouds, rain, jetstream. Great Apes indeed.
I would like to recommend this survival video to all ZH'ers. I also love Cody's book. Get the actual book and not an electronic version of it. You might run out of electricity and then what will that say about your intelligence. Place Homer Simpson moment here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmmpg-XCU-k
Best explanation yet of Fukushima Dai-Ichi from the creators of "Everyone Poops"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA
How about using "The Gas We Pass"?
A little radioactive fart coming your way....
Is it terrible that I kinda wish an incredibly large explosion again so that attention would return to this crisis?!
China might provide that if the winds shift away from them.
I belive it's a military operation now.. send Tepco and the engineers, ast geeks away. They screwed the pooch.
virgil would have had the chinooks and dozers going a week ago.
That Tepco porked the pooch is a given... But tell me how do you think chinooks and dozers a week ago would have changed the outcome from what it is today? I don't think enclapsulating this beast, at this time, will have a positive outcome...
If it wasn't for Max Planck and his discovery of the black body radiation, theere would be no IR-thermal imagery.
All hail to Max Planck, the father of Quantum Mechanics !
Oh, the most perfect temperature to start slow cooking my pork bellies.
"The company (Tepco) has also brought in a large construction device normally used to pump a cement mixture. Officials initially said they were going to use it to pump the cement mixture and water into the spent fuel pool of reactor No. 4, which is thought to have boiled dry, allowing damage to have been done to the fuel rods there. Officials later said, however, that they intended to use the device only to pump water into the pool."
LA Times 3/21, referred from: http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
http://www.concretepumping.com/index.php?mode=newboard&act=topic&tid=8468
Good old putzmeister,it'll get concrete or water or wet sand right where you need it,with about 160' of reach
http://www.pmw.de/cps/rde/xchg/pm_online/hs.xsl/9373_DEU_HTML.htm
According to this nice article, which was first published in the Nuertinger Zeitung, Putzmeister sent one pump to them (58 metres, normally used to pump concrete, but Tepco will use it to pump water.), they are also considering to send a 70 metres - it wasn't possible to send it with a plane, so they will ship it to Japan.
Homer's got your back:
'http://img148.imageshack.us/i/homerlg.jpg/'
I believe the idea here is to avoid panic by waiting until it is too late.
And then say that you deeply regret the incident and observe a minute of silence.
some interesting comments on the twit blog of Telegraph reporter Rob Crilly
http://twitter.com/#!/robcrilly
Rob Crilly some of the rebels have very new looking AK-47s today. Shiny and they are covering the muzzles to keep dust out #libya 3 hours ago
» Rob Crilly It was a second jet that opened fire, wounding locals, according to the witnesses. Not the rescue helicopter #libya 3 hours ago
fuckushima
...just about to get front pages status again. japan's government may ask for US military help
Really? Why? They now have all six reactors hooked up to gigawatts and containment domes in place! Did you read this on Bloomburger?
via drudge
Who's in charge? NATO members squabble over who leads Libyan bombings...and they can't even agree whether to assassinate Gaddafi http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368693/Libya-war-NATO-squabbles-leads-bombings-kill-Gaddafi.html#ixzz1HMvdxW44Seemed like a good picture at the time.
Fukushima? What does this have to do with the Royal Wedding?
""It keeps getting worse.
How will we know when it's about to enter an 'unstable stage?'""
When life becomes upside down...(OT comedy)
http://goodthoughtsgoodwordsgooddeeds.blogspot.com/2011/03/wrong-side-upfilm-short.html
27 Signs That The Nuclear Crisis In Japan Is Much Worse Than Either The Mainstream Media Or The Japanese Government Have Been Telling Us...
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/27-signs-that-nuclear-crisis-in-japan.html
I like my Kung Pao extra crispy! Please cook mine next to reactor #3 please.
This should help everyone out, do the math, it won't be long now until the inevitable happens in Japan:
Good post.
" relocated core" what a strange term
"Recriticality also may be a concern if the control materials are left behind in the core and the relocated material breaks up in unborated water in the lower plenum."
Not reassuring. Seems like calling this a clusterfuck last weekend may have been an understatement.
I'll have to take more time to consider what I'm saying before posting in the future.
Yawn, more extemism by zero cred, this will all blow over like it always does. Wasn`t the oil spill gonna destroy the world as we know it, whaddaya know that all blew over and all is back to normal. Stop with the alarmist bullshit, move on to the next crisis and overblow it too.......next.
Yes, we all know it will blow over.
We're just trying to figure out in which direction it blow over, how many billion$ this will subtract from available funds to rebuild Japan, how they expect to feed themselves with their agriculture nuked, and how many will die.
Problem?
Nude Dude -- wrap a towel around it or sling a codpiece. This is a family site, for crissakes.
BWR = Buy What Remains
ZH Team - I wanted to thank you for all your efforts in bringing these details to us with the integrity that should be applauded - I made my first donation a couple of days ago & will gladly continue to support this site - Kudos on an exemplary job - C'mon folks you know the value that is here - great job ZH team!
on wires: OSAKA (AFP)--A strong earthquake struck near the troubled nuclear power plant at the center of Japan's radiation crisis early Wednesday, the meteorological agency said.
The agency said there was no fear of a tsunami following the quake, whose magnitude was recorded at 6.0 by the agency.
Public broadcaster NHK said there was no immediate report of further damage to nuclear power plants in Fukushima, including the Fukushima No. 1, which was crippled by the March 11 quake.
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There has certainly been a meltdown.
A meltdown of what little credibility remained at ZH.
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The Register | Fukushima's toxic legacy: Ignorance and fear
http://goo.gl/1ah8o
Hysteria rages unchecked as minor incident winds down
you forgot that little<sarc> thingy there colonel
My last Valium wore off just in time to tell you to piss off, fuckstick! What...get your daily cred from the Ministry of Truth [CNBC]? Even worse...from Market Watch?
Good grief, Tyler is giving you the Fukushima facts while the others blow sunshine up your ass like, "market up on hopes that reactor situation is turning." There you go, fuckstick. That's for you, isn't it?
By any chance are you a banker?
We don't have credibility, We don't NEED your fuckin "Credibility".
So go back to some Right/Left, Blue/Red forum that has 'Crediblity" and don't waste your time here.
I stand corrected.
There's a deadly toxic radioactive cloud moving across the Pacific
and you're all going to die a slow painful death from radiation poisoning.
There. Feel better now?
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It will be amusing to see,
once the Fukushima Daiichi incident is long forgotten,
what end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it so-called crisis ZH will be hyping
a year from.
well aren't you one ingeniuos little bugger. Nice layout on your link there, looks awesomely credible.
I see you have that article "Chernobyl wasn't Chernobyl" there also. Also such a cleaver and youthful ironic touch.
Approximatly 900.000 died in Chernobyl. I guess that must have been a helluva ENDORSEMENT for nuclear power, regarding that drivel someone wrote last week.
Educate yourself, its kind of embarrasing. Watch the battle of chernobyl on youtube or google video
900,000 deaths due to the Chernobyl nuclear accident?
Your claim is high by about a factor of 1000.
Wikipedia | Assessing the [Chernobyl] disaster's effects on human health:
http://goo.gl/8kRW2
Well more than 10 times as many people die every year in the US due to traffic accidents: 33,808 in 2009
Even more die due to the complications of obsesity combined with a sedentary lifestyle.
Do you know about the American plutonium plant at Hanford, Washington near Seattle ?
This is the most radioactively polluted place in the U.S. .
It's where all the plutonium for the fission bombs, hydrogen bombs and fuel rods for power plants was produced until it went into decommission in 1988.
The whole area there is polluted and uninhabitable.
Leukemia and other cancers are the norm and you have a lot of miscarriages and grotesquely disfigured fetuses, both among newborn babies and newborn farm animals.
Nothing relevant to the Fukushima Daiichi site.
I wonder if it is possible for the people living there and having suffered from the effects of plutonium poisoning to sue the U.S. government for millions in damages.
They will probably rebuff it for reasons of "national security".
Typical.
Can't sue the govt without their permission. Fact.
Ditto.
Just saw on my yahoo homepage "mysterious oil sheen reported"
I'm having a hard time reading your post.
Could you please edit it so that the text is flaming neon magenta on an electric cyan background with all caps?
Real,walk it thru in your mind,granted a lot to digest,but at least it is unvarnished truth,no candy coating. The light is bright,you'll adjust,stick with it
real,
They are managing perceptions.
If they came out with the truth markets would crash, people would panic.
This way, markets wobble, people get radiated but it won't kill them right away, and some are willing to actually move towards the power plant to serve as fodder for managing perceptions further.
(disclosure: long spinach grown in my own backyard)
hi, real. thank you for the personal odd-is-he. i am struck that you do not mention porn. either you are masking some of your behavior, or your priorities are devastated. unsure of what to suggest, all i am coming up with is: please consider not going home.
Reactor 2 will explode soon because the water pumps are damaged. The steam is water vapor. The steam from Reactor 3 was different because its a fire. This is genocide and far worse than Chernobyl.
After Chernobyl tens of thousand of reindeer had to be slaughtered in Scandinavia. Japan is doomed.
I'm already receiving my last rites here and wait for the inevitable.
May God have mercy on our poor souls.
Maybe it's time for another race, a more intelligent one, to take over.
We as mankind have clearly failed.
We are just as dumb as the dinosaurs, or even dumber, because we shoveled our own grave, while the dinosaurs were eradicated due to an outside cause, an asteroid colliding with planet earth.
We took everything this planet earth can give, but in our insatiable greed we always wanted more.
Now we are paying the price for our stupidity.
I've come to believe that the last word ever uttered when we all die at once will be 'whoops'.
That is followed by the smallest unit of time measurement, the 'oh-no second'. That is the brief period just before you realize you're fucked and realize it's too late to do anything about it...
must read
http://www.countercurrents.org/goodchild130311.htm
Life is a bitch and then you die.
'Mankind swims regularly in the Sea of Knowledge, emerging completely dry' keeps coming back to mind as each new high-tech or financial disaster unfolds.
Franken I'am so sorry, do you have any silver you can send me?? Your friend in blogging (doom), Yabyum.
Suggest Olaf Stapledon, 'Last and First Men' from the 1930s. The first human race nearly kills itself off with chemical warfare, but evolution and time lead to many later versions of humanity....brilliant, visionary, old school literature.
CNBC Reporting that the FDA is stopping import of any milk or dairy products from Japan <*correction: from four prefectures affected by radiation near power plant*>.
If I remember correctly there was something about cows grazing and picking up radiation that was concentrated in milk and cheese across Europe after Chernobyl.
The N.Y. Post has the best synopsis: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/radioactive_materials_detected_nuclear_pHw1UZ8jCo4bvLeto28dPO?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME
P.S. - this may be a boost for U.S. related dairy industries (not that Japan or the Asia are big on dairy but I hear ice cream is very popular - rumor? Feel free to glom on...).
"MONTPELIER, Vt. -- Federal regulators on Monday gave the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant a 20-year license renewal, despite calls for reconsideration following the nuclear disaster in Japan." USATODAY
perfect timing
"MONTPELIER, Vt. -- Federal regulators on Monday gave the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant a 20-year license renewal, despite calls for reconsideration following the nuclear disaster in Japan." USATODAY
perfect timing
"MONTPELIER, Vt. -- Federal regulators on Monday gave the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant a 20-year license renewal, despite calls for reconsideration following the nuclear disaster in Japan." USATODAY
perfect timing
Japan is an economic enemy of the US, France, Italy and Germany. A slowdown could be good for the US and German auto industry. Do not get me wrong but eat or be eaten.
Had the same thoughts -- especially for Germany.
There have been no releases so far of heavy radionuclides which would suggest fuel melting.
Only gases and volatile isotopes.
http://www.physicsforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3202171
Just stop...it's the end of the world, ok?????
nobody wants to hear sanity or, god forbid, good news.
I see firemen at the base of a reactor building, they're not dead. They stood up a big pump crane thing which is hosing shit down...
I assume these people were supposed to have been immediately vaporized. Because fuel rods are all over the parking lot. And the end is coming and it's all lies and spin.
You should be too embarrassed to post, yet you're still posting on this subject.
I will just fade your predictions for bank.
Who needs nukes when you have this:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/22/betrayal-of-consumers-by-us-supreme-court-gives-total-liability-shield-to-big-pharma.aspx
Banzai, could you add these fuck tards to your shit list? Please? Folks are a lot more likely to get hosed by this stuff than by Rads...