This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Fukushima Vs Chernobyl - Compare And Contrast

Tyler Durden's picture




 

Zero Hedge predicted from the very beginning that unfortunately Fukushima would end up being an as serious, if not more so (just consider the extremely high concentration of human and other capital in proximity to Fukushima: unlike the USSR there is little to none displacement capacity) catastrophe than Chernobyl. Yesterday's final hike in the incident severity level, which started at 4 and hit the highest , 7, is simply yet another confirmation of this although in absolute terms Fukushima still has a ways to go before surpassing the Soviet accident:
Choernobyl leaked a total of 5.2 million terabecquerels of radioactivity, Fukushima has so far leaked 500,000 terabecquerels. In the meantime what little progress is being made is promptly shadowed by all the incremental bad news that keep being disclosed (the most recent debacle is the discovery of extremely radioactive strontium just off the plant). Yet to be sure, there are differences between the two situation. Courtesy of Reuters, here are the key comparisons and differences between the two.

From Reuters

Here are the main points of how the two accidents differ.

ARE THE TWO DESIGNS THE SAME?

Unit 4 at Chernobyl was a water-cooled and graphite-moderated reactor
-- a combination that can and did yield a runaway chain reaction. A
series of gross errors and misjudgment by operators resulted in an
explosion and fire that catapulted radioactivity into the upper
atmosphere.

The resulting release of radiation has been compared
to 10 times that released by the 1945 U.S. nuclear bomb attack on the
Japanese city of Hiroshima.

The boiling water reactors at
Fukushima do not have a combustible graphite core. The nuclear fuel in
reactors No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 was allowed to melt at least partially,
but operators have since succeeded in cooling both the reactors and the
spent fuel pools and no chain reaction is happening now.

As long
as cooling operations continue and Japan can prepare tanks fast enough
to store the contamination overflow, Japan can still hope to buy time to
figure out how to bring the reactors to a cold shutdown.

HOW DO THE CONTAINMENT STRUCTURES DIFFER?

Chernobyl had no containment structure and nothing stopped the trajectory of radioactive materials into the air.

Fukushima's reactors are built on granite foundations and are
surrounded by steel and concrete structures. The reactor vessels and
containment structures, as well as some of the pipes leading from the
reactors, are likely to have been damaged by the March 11 tsunami and
recurring earthquakes. But with radiation levels now down to a sliver of
what they were at the peak, experts say that the structures are still
holding.

Chernobyl contaminated an area as far as 500 km (300
miles) from the plant, and an area spanning 30 km (18 miles) around the
plant is still an exclusion zone and uninhabited.

HAVE THERE BEEN FALLOUT-LINKED DEATHS IN JAPAN?

At Fukushima, there have been no deaths so far due to radiation. Eight
people have been injured. More deadly have been the 9.0 magnitude quake
that hit on March 11 and the aftershocks that have rocked the site while
workers tried to bring the plant under control. Two have died and three
have been critically injured.

At Chernobyl, the initial
explosion resulted in the death of two workers. Twenty-eight of the
firemen and emergency clean-up workers died in the first three months
after the explosion from acute radiation sickness and one died of
cardiac arrest.

FLOW OF INFORMATION VERSUS COVER UP

Bungling, yes. Disorganised, incoherent and sometimes contradictory,
yes. But it is difficult to accuse Japanese officials or TEPCO of
intentionally covering up information, with round-the-clock updates and a
steady stream of data.

Chernobyl was initially covered up by
the secretive Soviet state, which remained silent for two days. But
authorities, obliged by huge radiation releases throughout Europe,
gradually disclosed details of the accident, showing unprecedented
Soviet-era openness.

DOES FUKUSHIMA POSE A GREATER RISK IF IT ALL GOES WRONG?

It's not over yet. One month since the March 11 earthquake and tsunami,
workers still have to inject water into the reactors, creating more
contaminated water that is hampering the restoration of power to pumps
to cool the reactors and bring them to a cold shutdown.

The
situation led a frustrated and demoralised TEPCO spokesman to say that
the total fallout could exceed that of Chernobyl. Fukushima involves
loss of control at four reactors and potentially more radioactive
material, that could continue to seep, leak or burst into the
environment.

Officials have said that if power cannot be
restored to the cooling pumps, there are other measures, such as air
cooling, and that in a worst-case scenario, they could try water
entombment in the reactors whose containment structures are sound.

 

 


And another key difference: with Chernobyl, even under utmost secrecy, the government moved fast, sacrificing many people, but only to prevent a far greater damage in the long run. In other words, the polar opposite of TEPCO (at least so far). And as this report from Yomiuri confirms, it was TEPCO's "tardiness" that has been the primary reason for much of the escalation.

From Yomiuri:

 

Prime Minister Naoto Kan's blood must have run cold around 10 p.m.
on March 11, the day of the Great East Japan Earthquake, when he
received the first report on the terrible situation at the Fukushima No.
1 nuclear power plant.

The report from the Nuclear and Industry Safety Agency of the
Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry predicted reactor cores at the
nuclear power plant--where power and all functions to cool the reactors
were lost in the quake and tsunami--would be exposed to air, and that
extreme heat generated by fuel rods would damage their encasing tubes
later that night.

Fuel rods would melt down, and the following morning the pressure
inside the reactors' containment vessels would reach the maximum allowed
for by the facilities' designers, the report predicted.

Kan and everyone at the Prime Minister's Office understood the seriousness of the situation described by the report.

There were only two options that might prevent a meltdown of the
reactors--either restore the plant's power supply and cooling functions
immediately, or pour water directly into the reactors. If neither course
of action could be taken, the pressure inside the reactors would become
so great that they would be destroyed.

The report concluded that valves in the containment vessels would
have to be opened, to release radioactive steam and reduce the pressure
inside.

However, opening the valves was considered a last resort. Although
it could prevent the reactors from breaking apart, it would release
steam with high levels of radioactive materials into the atmosphere.

Such a step had never been taken at a nuclear power plant in Japan.

===

Countdown to power loss

The Prime Minister's Office, the nuclear safety agency and even
Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the Fukushima plant, were
filled with relief immediately after the earthquake. They had been told
backup diesel generators would provide sufficient support to stabilize
the Nos. 1 to 3 reactors, which were in operation when the quake hit.

However, subsequent tsunami destroyed 12 of the 13 emergency generators.

"Round up all the power-supply cars and send them to the plant right
now!" shouted a TEPCO supervisor at the utility's head office in Tokyo.

Nuclear reactors have emergency cooling systems that channel water
into the reactor, using a turbine that can be powered by residual heat.
However, the systems rely on emergency batteries to power the water
intake valves.

The emergency batteries at the Fukushima plant were expected to run out of power around midnight.

===

Options exhausted

TEPCO dispatched power-supply vehicles from various power stations
around the country to the crippled nuclear plant. However, the vehicles
had to travel very slowly because of damage to roads in northeastern
Japan. The first power-supply car did not reach the plant until 9 p.m.
on March 11.

Once at the site, the lack of preparation became apparent. Cables
needed to connect the vehicles' high-voltage electricity to plant
facilities were not long enough. TEPCO immediately ordered additional
cables, but precious time had been wasted. Power would not be restored
at the plant by midnight.

The pressure inside the containment vessels rose above the maximum
allowed for by the facilities' design, and radiation levels at the plant
increased sharply. No option was left but to open the valves.

===

Anger rose as TEPCO dithered

TEPCO began preparations for opening the valves around 7 p.m. on
March 11. Pressure inside the No. 1 reactor was particularly high.

"Soon, the reactor won't be able to withstand the pressure," said an
official of the accident headquarters at the plant, which was keeping
in touch with TEPCO's head office via video phone. "We have to vent the
pressure immediately."

"Pressure inside the containment vessel of the No. 1 reactor has
gone up dramatically," the agency told Banri Kaieda, economy, trade and
industry minister, at 12:45 a.m. on March 12. In fact, it had reached
1.5 times the designed maximum, meaning the condition of the reactor was
critical.

"To get things under control, we have to pour water into the
reactors and then vent the steam that is generated," Haruki Madarame,
chairman of the Cabinet Office's Nuclear Safety Commission, told Kaieda.

At 1:30 a.m. on March 12, Kan, Kaieda and Madarame gathered at the
crisis management center in the basement of the Prime Minister's Office.

The three urged TEPCO officials to vent the steam as soon as
possible. But TEPCO officials said there was no way of opening the
valves because there was no power supply.

Exasperated, Kaieda called the utility's head office in Tokyo and
the accident headquarters at the plant every hour, pressuring them to
open the valves immediately.

TEPCO workers tried to open the valves by manually overriding the
automatic system, but struggled to make progress because they had to
work in darkness.

At dawn, pressure inside the No. 1 reactor was more than twice the designed maximum.

Eventually, at 6:50 a.m., the government ordered the utility to open the valves under the Nuclear Reactor Regulation Law.

When Kan visited the accident site shortly after 7 a.m. and found
TEPCO had not opened the valves yet, he reprimanded company officials.
The officials replied they would like to have another hour to make a
decision on what to do.

Kan blew his stack.

"Now's not the time to make such lackadaisical comments!" the prime minister told the TEPCO officials.

Yet even still, the utility spent three more hours discussing the matter before finally opening the valves at 10:17 a.m.

Five hours after that, a hydrogen explosion occurred at the No. 1 reactor, blowing apart its outer building.

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:50 | 1160979 Jiiins
Jiiins's picture

Potassium Iodide bitchez!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:52 | 1160982 Tunga
Tunga's picture

"... but operators have since succeeded in cooling both the reactors and the spent fuel pools and no chain reaction is happening now." said the evil step mother. 

 

A comedy tonight!

 


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:56 | 1160989 Lord Welligton
Lord Welligton's picture

Bungling, yes. Disorganised, incoherent and sometimes contradictory, yes. But it is difficult to accuse Japanese officials or TEPCO of intentionally covering up information, with round-the-clock updates and a steady stream of data.

Not difficult at all I would have thought.

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:04 | 1161012 topcallingtroll
topcallingtroll's picture

That steady stream of data has been a trickle.

We need more.ocean testing and real.time.continuous monitoring of the air above the plants.

But they dont want us to know how much.leakage.continues. they just give us the occasional soil or water sample.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:11 | 1161029 Lord Welligton
Lord Welligton's picture

That steady stream of data has been a trickle.

Well exactly.

How Reuters can concluded otherwise is odd to say the least.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:00 | 1161347 kaiserhoff
kaiserhoff's picture

Well, we're now at a level 7, so I guess Fukushima can't possibly be any more fucked.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 21:18 | 1163698 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

Ever see antique maps where the "Terra Incognita" was marked:  "Here be monsters"?  7 is an arbitrary number and the Universe laughs at our puny efforts to measure where we're at...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:03 | 1160996 the not so migh...
the not so mighty maximiza's picture

no end in sight since they are not comprehending the magnitude.   Its like a slow motion nuclear explosion just shooting radioactive all over the earth.  Over many weeks, months and years.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:01 | 1160999 cheesewizz
cheesewizz's picture

 Video of people running from tsunami...

 

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81433416/

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:12 | 1161387 Sweet Chicken
Sweet Chicken's picture

Dear god that was terrifying. Look at how fast that entire area became a whirlpool of hell! I couldn't tell but did all the people running in that shot make it onto the hill?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:03 | 1161004 topcallingtroll
topcallingtroll's picture

Good call.

And i believed the bullshit that a few days after the flood they were just going to flip the power back on and the plants would run smoothly.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:04 | 1161010 Hollywood
Hollywood's picture

If Rueters said that it is too difficult to cover up, then it must be true.  Did a scientist write this article?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:17 | 1161048 Global Hunter
Global Hunter's picture

you saw the same thing I did, I didn't see your post before hitting the save button.  I obviously agree with you.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:06 | 1161011 Global Hunter
Global Hunter's picture

I don't find it difficult to accuse TEPCo of a coverup. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:09 | 1161024 topcallingtroll
topcallingtroll's picture

The coverup continues.

I want continuous real time monitoring of the air above each plant so we know how much leakage continues.

A once per week ocean sample is.insufficient.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:05 | 1161016 umop episdn
umop episdn's picture

Chernobyl was a quarter century ago, and the rest fo the world has had time to pick apart the lies and learn more or less what actually happened. Meanwhile, Tepco continues to obfusticate. I doubt we know how much radiation has been released, especially the quantity into the Pacific, because Tepco doesn't really want to know. Exactly like BP didn't want to know how much oil was spewing from its undersea hole. In all these cases, the general public and their geiger counters and video cameras are NOT welcome in the disaster areas, and official words tend to be whoreporate words. Remind me to 'compare and contrast' a few years from now.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:10 | 1161034 Note to self
Note to self's picture

Reuters must be on the take.  How is it that people can watch a reactor building get blown sky high, and still expect the spent fuel pool to be somehpow intact, holding water, and keeping the rods cool?  WTF?  How can they report everything is being cooled and under control?  Did they forget what they saw?  Jesus H W Christ - it blew up!!! 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:30 | 1161268 Herman Strandsc...
Herman Strandschnecke's picture

I used to trust in reuters. Not now since reading that fairytale.

Lead lined chinooks and earthquakes tell me this ain't over. damm I'm getting angry now.

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:57 | 1161341 primalplasma
primalplasma's picture

That's Hollywood programming and mind-control. The MSM is linked to Hollywood. People grow up with suspension of disbelief.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:17 | 1161402 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

and still expect the spent fuel pool to be somehpow intact,

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Big difference for exterior walls to give way due to over-pressure from a hydrogen-based explosion in contrast to load-bearing floors and other internal structures ...

Didja ever consider that?

Prolly not ...

 

      'Buy on the rumor and and sell on the news'

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:24 | 1161436 Note to self
Note to self's picture

I'm an engineer, dickhead.  Have you seen the photos?  Its rubble.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:30 | 1161454 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

Photo interpretation is not your strong suite (notice floors are still intact!); speculation, however, may be ...

Use of deductive reasoning, again, not so much there either, referring again to the points I raised above.

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:48 | 1161538 Note to self
Note to self's picture

I will heretofore add the notion of your being an idiot to my speculation.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:53 | 1161738 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

No address of issue; 'aggressive capitulation' noted when confronted with logic and facts.

Thank you for participating ...

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:57 | 1161576 MGA_1
MGA_1's picture

I've always throught of explosions at nuclear power plants as a bad thing.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:10 | 1161035 Coffin Dodger
Coffin Dodger's picture

I try not to prophecise too often, but intuition tells me that Fukushima is a show-stopper for humankind. Beyond the financial and economic impact (both of which will become increasingly evident in the coming months), the completely out-of-control situation at the reactors can poison our habitat worldwide.

A very fine line is being walked - too much information of a deadly serious kind could paralyse everything - after all, who would want to turn up for their job at the generator plant, or the police force, or the hospital...if you were being irradiated by a killer you can't see, smell or touch?

We truly have entered the twilight zone. I suppose if this really is IT, I'd rather not know all the details.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:19 | 1161050 the not so migh...
the not so mighty maximiza's picture

They have been handling this like an fraud accounting issue.  Coverup and redirect, media control.  It really looks like bankers have been calling the shots on this.  They are no good at real world problems. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:39 | 1161089 Lord Welligton
Lord Welligton's picture

Let's hope you're wrong.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:30 | 1161688 Natasha Fatale
Natasha Fatale's picture

Agreed, there's something about this that feels like a game-changing moment. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:10 | 1162087 Diogenes
Diogenes's picture

One more dose of radioactivity in the environment on top of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Bikini Atol, Chernobyl, thousands of above ground and underground test explosions, hundreds of reactors and processing facilities around the world.

Millions will die but millions have already died and the world goes on. 100 years ago cancer accounted for 1 death out of 20, now it is nearly 1 out of 2.

All in all it's just another brick in the wall.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:16 | 1161038 TexDenim
TexDenim's picture

although in absolute terms Fukushima still has a ways to go before surpassing the Soviet accident.

In spades! Comparing the Japan incident to Chernobyl really is hyperbole. In Chernobyl, the nuclear core actually exploded into the atmosphere releasing tons of fissionable material.

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:24 | 1161060 MGA_1
MGA_1's picture

I read the explosion at unit #4 blew spent fuel several thousand feet into the air and all over the site.  Unfortunately, it was MOX fuel which includes plutonium.... very nasty stuff.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:36 | 1161086 avonaltendorf
avonaltendorf's picture

Negatory. It was Reactor #3, about 1000 ft in the air.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:13 | 1161388 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

I read the explosion at unit #4 blew spent fuel 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Where?

 

Where did you read that?

 

Anyplace reputable? (unsourced rumors are not reputable)

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:37 | 1161494 InconvenientCou...
InconvenientCounterParty's picture

The report entitled "RST Assessment of Fukushima Daiichi Units" March 26, has some good information. It's hard to find but it's worth it.

Basically, they said they found fuel on the ground outside in between 3 & 4. They couldn't tell exactly which it came from.

It's little consolation, just sayin'

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:39 | 1161731 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

Basically, they said they found fuel on the ground ..

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I recall that report, and I recall that they found traces of what they thought to be traces of the 'fuel' on the ground ... no mention of fuel rods per se.

 

Now, it's possible a single fuel rod/assembly was attached to the fuel handling rig on the refueling floor (and not to be confused with the large crane that removes the containment cap) and when all hell blew loose with reactor buildings 1,  3, or 4 it is possible that a single fuel rod was 'disbursed' in the area ... far cry from a disbursement of a cooling pool's complement of rods, which we *know* still contain rods since they smoke/steam during presumably low water-level states before they are 'refilled' using the Putzmeister concrete tricks ...

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:28 | 1161052 Dagny Taggart
Dagny Taggart's picture

Was there a fission meltdown that was in danger of hitting the water table and exploding beneath other unstable reactors at Chernobyl? 

http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/03/when-the-fukushima-meltdown-hits-groundwater/

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:45 | 1161108 Lord Welligton
Lord Welligton's picture

A nuclear meltdown is a self-sustaining reaction. Nothing can stop it except stopping the reaction. And that would require a nuclear weapon. In fact, it would require one in each containment vessel to merely stop what is going on now. But it will be messy.

Not encouraging is it.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:37 | 1161488 trav7777
trav7777's picture

this is just complete bullshit.  Fission in reactors requires moderation.  This crap about nuking reactors is nonsensical idiocy and anyone who says it should be ignored immediately.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:38 | 1161507 InconvenientCou...
InconvenientCounterParty's picture

+1

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:26 | 1161428 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

a fission meltdown that was in danger of hitting the water table 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

OMG, you're sitting next to a LARGE BODY OF WATER, biggest in the world - with rising LAND to your west ... what do you suppose the 'slope' of the water table is:

 

A) TOWARDS the large body of water and away from the land

 

B) TOWARDS the land and away from the large body of water?

 

Besides, how is this any different ('meltdown into the water table') from pumping either seawater or fresh water on the 'lumps of molten fuel rods' creating large amounts of radioactive steam anyway?

 

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:41 | 1161498 Sweet Chicken
Sweet Chicken's picture

You serious Clark?! The obvious difference would be the large scale nuclear steam explosion that would occur sending millions of particles thousands of feet into the atmosphere.

I'd call that a pretty big difference.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:45 | 1161533 trav7777
trav7777's picture

you guys learnt everything you know about nuclear reactor accidents from "China Syndrome," didn't you?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:51 | 1161548 Sweet Chicken
Sweet Chicken's picture

I don't know if that remark was directed at me but certainly a melted core falling into water would result in a steam explosion, no?!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:45 | 1161528 trav7777
trav7777's picture

Dr. Tom Burnett is utterly full of shit.

Fission did not stop at Chernobyl upon the initial core excursion precisely because portions of fissile material remained along with graphite moderation.  This is how the Bridge of Death came to be such a thing.  Chernobyl was fissioning during the accident until the army airlifted in enough boron, sand, and lead to absorb sufficient neutrons and to mobilize the core elements downward and out of the reactor.

There is no analog at Fukushima.  It is WATER moderated.  While the core will melt, without water inside the reactor, there can be no fission due to scientific concepts such as doppler broadening that Dr. Tom appears to be clueless about.  A BWR meltdown is NOT self-sustaining for this reason. 

Those who say that the Japs should have done what the USSR did are similarly clueless; there is nothing here to pour boron on (other than SFPs) as the reactor vessels roughly contain the reactants.  Chernobyl's reactor interior was open to the atmosphere, consequently things could be dumped into it.  That is not the case at Fukushima Dai 1.  Basic knowledge of the reactor designs should be a prerequisite for comment on this issue

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:01 | 1161586 MGA_1
MGA_1's picture

Err wait, so looks like I don't understand how reactor's work.  Doesn't water "Moderate" the reaction and slow it down?  Therefore, you remove the water and the reaction speeds up?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:55 | 1161978 RichardP
RichardP's picture

Under normal operating conditions, water controls the heat generated by the reaction, not the reaction itself.  When the fuel rods become sufficiently hot (in a not normal situation), water can moderate the reaction, as briefly explained below.

It has been stated earlier on ZH that neutrons are the key to the fission reaction.  With no water to slow them down, they speed away from the fuel rods and are less likely to be captured and used for fission.  If the rods are submerged in water, the neutrons slow down in their escape.  They are then more likely to be captured and used for fission.

This relationship between speed of neutrons and water led to the conclusion that there comes a point in the heating up when it could be a bad thing to add water to the spent fuel rod storage pools.  The water would enable increased fission, which would lead to increased heat in the already-overheated spent fuel rods.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:38 | 1162201 Maxter
Maxter's picture

Water does 2 thing in the reactor:

-first it slows the neutron so that the rods can absorb them more easily --> mean it helps the nuclear reaction

-second it remove exces heat produced my the reaction

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:18 | 1161053 williambanzai7
williambanzai7's picture

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:25 | 1161064 the not so migh...
the not so mighty maximiza's picture

I am curious if the data out of Japan is reliable, is there any way to cross reference and verify? 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 22:21 | 1163888 top_isotope
top_isotope's picture

hey bill,
what is the source of this data?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:21 | 1161054 MGA_1
MGA_1's picture

Is the core melting through the bottom of reactor #2 ?

http://fairewinds.com/

I'm hoping for the best, but it's certainly not over yet.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:24 | 1161067 Pseudo Anonym
Pseudo Anonym's picture

FLOW OF INFORMATION VERSUS COVER UP

something to consider:

Secret Weapons Program Inside Fukushima Nuclear Plant?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24275

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:39 | 1161091 Ethics Gradient
Ethics Gradient's picture

As opposed to an open source nuclear weapons program?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:19 | 1161645 trav7777
trav7777's picture

How many fucking times do I have to explain this to you idiots before you get it?

Japan HAS FISSILE MATERIALS, which are the sole obstacle any nation has to Bomb acquisition.  The technical issues relevant to creating a critical mass for an atomic bomb are trivial for a nation with the technological capability of Japan.

As they have an orbital space program too, they have delivery capability, intercontinental, as well.

Japan is a de facto nuclear weapons state.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1161972 HedgeCock
HedgeCock's picture

Can you explain that again.  I didn't get it.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:03 | 1162046 RichardP
RichardP's picture

You need fissile materials to make an atomic bomb.  Nations that do not have fissile material cannot make an atomic bomb.  Japan has fissile material.  It can make an atomic bomb.  They have the capability to deliver an atomic bomb to other countries.  Japan has the ability to be a nuclear weapons state.

All of that may be true.  What is not clear is what relationship that information has to Pseudo's idea that there could be a secret weapon's program inside the damaged power plant.

Maybe Trav is saying of course they have a secret nuclear weapons program.  Can't tell from his words.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:26 | 1161068 bob_dabolina
bob_dabolina's picture

"The nuclear fuel in reactors No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 was allowed to melt "

As if they asked for permission.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:33 | 1161076 Urban Roman
Urban Roman's picture

And then there's the spent fuel pools. I did not realize until this happened that they need constant cooling as well, and for years after fission is shut down. And that they can get hot enough to burn their cladding off and scatter fission products.

My understanding is that Chernobyl did not have much spent fuel onsite, but Fukushima had maybe eight or ten core-loads of spent fuel stored in the reactor buildings. Recall that unit 4 was in "cold shutdown" but still managed to have a hydrogen explosion in its cooling pool.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:05 | 1161179 Coffin Dodger
Coffin Dodger's picture

Fukushima has 1760 tons of spent fuel rods stored at the facility. The majority of those spent rods are/were stored in pools directly above the reactor room in each unit. Spent rods are the most toxic things on earth, comprised mainly of plutonium and uranium. Plutonium has a half life of 24k years and 1 millionth of a gram (just a few particles) causes cancer if ingested. Plutonium release does not necessarily show up as a radiation spike. Plutonium has however been detected in the soil around the plant.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:38 | 1161088 Ethics Gradient
Ethics Gradient's picture

So the amount of radiation released by Fukushima is the same as was released at Hiroshima? That's a good pub fact.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:39 | 1161094 TaxSlave
TaxSlave's picture

"no chain reaction is happening now" + "strontium" = CONTRADICTION.

The latest of many.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:42 | 1161096 SilverRhino
SilverRhino's picture

Horseshit article. Fukushima will be much worse.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:44 | 1161110 Ethics Gradient
Ethics Gradient's picture

Why?

I mean it could be ten times worse, but I can't seem to lay my hands on any facts right now. Do you have any?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:13 | 1161214 pvzh
pvzh's picture

10 times more fuel, and absolutely nothing was done yet except buying more time

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:07 | 1161369 flattrader
flattrader's picture

Contaminating a much denser population with little to no relocations options.

Aside from the human toll, which is bad enough on it's own, the property and productivity loss to the world's 3rd largest economy will be substantial.  Every estimate I've seen seems ridiculously low.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:41 | 1161523 Ethics Gradient
Ethics Gradient's picture

Sure, but what's the method for that getting somewhere else?

Do the cores melt into the water table and explode? Do pixies deliver it in the post?

Buying time seems to be what the nuclear industry is all about. When you're dealing with a dangerous isotope with a half life of hundreds of thousands of years (to coin a phrase) 'on a long enough timeline' a disaster is pretty much a certainty. In the case of Fukushima, what specifically are they buying time from?

What is the current situation? Japan isn't telling the truth. What is the worst case scenario? Dependant on the interests of the person disseminating the information, it's either an extiction level event or a marginal rise in the price of spinach.

I wasn't saying it is or isn't going to worse than Chernobyl - only that the facts to help determine what will happen are thin on the ground.

If it does get worse, you lot can have your endless game of two card top trumps to determine the winner, but at the moment, the Ukranians hold the better card.

I wanted to know whether SilverRhino knew something interesting of whether the Fukushima thing just gave him such a horn that he couldn't help but mess all over the interwebs.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:21 | 1161891 Confuchius
Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:56 | 1163010 Ethics Gradient
Ethics Gradient's picture

Thank you for that. It was all very interesting. I watched the second link in its entireity (I had a quiet evening) and read the first.

Whilst the Chernobyl video put things into perspective, it was the very last piece of information that I gleened from those two links that was the most relevant: “Clearly, there’s no access to the core,” the official said. “The Japanese are honestly blind.”

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:16 | 1162088 RichardP
RichardP's picture

Informed conjecture in the absence of detailed info:

The presence of Strontium outside of the reactors indicates that a chain reaction is happening/has happened and could happen again.  Chernobyl blew up and exposed the bad stuff, which made it possible to dump boron and sand and other stuff and stop all reactions.  Fukushima is closed, so for now no possibility to do that.  Currently no ability to stop any recriticality that may occur.  All of this can be inferred from what we currently know.  Bad stuff for the locals.  Implications for the wider world to be determined - but can also be reasonably guessed at by people who know their nuclear stuff.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:40 | 1161099 Johnny Lawrence
Johnny Lawrence's picture

Don't worry.  The Japanese PM said everything is stabilizing.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asia/east-pacific/Japanese-PM-Says-N...

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:49 | 1161120 Ethics Gradient
Ethics Gradient's picture

I love politicians. What he says is perfectly true: there is no '8' on the disaster scale.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:01 | 1161171 hardcleareye
hardcleareye's picture

".... but operators have since succeeded in cooling both the reactors and the spent fuel pools and no chain reaction is happening now."

I am disgusted and starting to get really pissed off, with the "media" spins, you cannot responsibly make that "absolute" statement without having calibrated instrumentation on the reactor.

Per the IAEA daily report,

In Unit 2 the temperature at the feed water nozzle of the RPV is 149 °C. The temperature at the bottom of the RPV was not reported."

For further detailed tech explanation please see April 3 and April 6 update,

http://www.fairewinds.com/updates

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:02 | 1161175 Carl Spackler-t...
Carl Spackler-the Creator of Spackler Feather Bent's picture

Just what is the bigger accident - Fukushima or Kirsti Alley? 

Both are big ugly accidents but only one can be blamed on Scientology!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:20 | 1161234 b_thunder
b_thunder's picture

In Chernobyl, half a million people were used to "liquidate" the catastrophy.  Thousands ahev died from radiation sickness.  500+ military helicopters and thousands of vehicles that we used during 1st few maonths have been permanently "retired" bacause of contamination. 

Less than a week after the event, 1000 miners were digging beneath the reactor 24/7 in order to dig out a "cavity" under the reactor to install liquid nitrogen cooling system. Oh, and they could only work 20min at  atime, otherwise they'd ret acute radiation poisoning.

Nothing liek that has happened in Japan.  In a dictatorial (communist) country you can force people to go there with total disregard for their own health,  but not in a liberal democracy!

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:23 | 1161238 Serfs Up
Serfs Up's picture

Fukushima is not as bad as Chernobyl....so far.

It's not over yet, not by a long shot.

And while Fukushima may release less total radioactivity (assuming we believe the TEPCO guesstimates), it will be doing so over a very crowded and developed landscape which, truth be told, was pretty much fully occupied, gove or a take a few square meters.

Japan got lucky with the wind, at least in terms of the land-based contamination.  Coming soon to a blog near you....stories about how the ocean critters bioaccumulate various isotopes and that the Pacific ocean is not a gigantic, empty lagoon of immense dilutive powers.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:25 | 1161246 MSimon
MSimon's picture

Where are the IR photos?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:34 | 1161275 Herbert_guthrie
Herbert_guthrie's picture

The difference is in the causes.

Chernobyl was an accident.
The jury is still out on this one.

Maybe the NanTroSeize Expedition data will shed light someday on this "historic" earthquake and Tsunami.
As always, follow the money trail.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:44 | 1161300 MSimon
MSimon's picture

The money was sunk in the ocean when the tsunami hit the money barge. This was caused by HARP scrambling the crew's minds. Now the crew is playing harps and they can't find the money. But like Doritos they can make more.

So what did I find when I followed the money? A printing press. Man those guys are devilish clever. They must be Jews.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:52 | 1161324 Monetative Easing
Monetative Easing's picture

Why do threads like these devolve into the tinniest-foil hatted conspiracies?  HAARP, Jews, NWO, Bilderbergs, Haliburton, hidden nuclear weapons...really?  People spouting this stuff do know it simply doesn't make sense, right.

Is it really that hard to believe in common human stupidity, hubris and denial?

Back on topic, this disaster is different than Chernobyl in that the economic fallout is likely much greater.  Even if they were to get the situation under control today, Japan would suffer because they've lost a great deal of energy generation and food production. 

 

Putting aside the danger to human life from toxins being spewed by Fukushima, the loss of a power and food source is almost certain to have profound effects on the nation and a knock-on impact on the world economy.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:34 | 1161471 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

+1

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:26 | 1161679 trav7777
trav7777's picture

well, economically...the Chernobyl thing is in a direct line to the downfall of the USSR.  It certainly did expose the incompetence of the central authority.  The USSR was bumping up against their oil peak a few years later and shelving reactor capacity was not something that they could stomach.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:21 | 1162133 Diogenes
Diogenes's picture

"Why do threads like these devolve into the tinniest-foil hatted conspiracies? "

These days your only choice is koolaid or tinfoil.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:57 | 1161342 majia
majia's picture

Yipee the Reuters article must mean that skyrocketing beta radiation here in Phoenix is nothing to worry about. No reason to alarm the public with such nonsense--data from LA, Yuma, and many other SoCal EPA sites have been "under review" since Saturday.

We are being exposed to growing amounts of radiation that is acummulating in our air, grass, topsoil, etc. But hey, no problem because radiation is what is used to treat cancer...

http://www.idealist.ws/index.php

How did this happen? Read "How the Peaceful Atom Became A Serial Killer"

http://motherjones.com/environment/2011/03/nuclear-power-nrc-dangers

And what a clever killer he is:

"Internal radiation, on the other hand, emanates from radioactive elements which enter the body by inhalation, ingestion, or skin absorption. Hazardous radionuclides such as iodine-131, caesium 137, and other isotopes currently being released in the sea and air around Fukushima bio-concentrate at each step of various food chains (for example into algae, crustaceans, small fish, bigger fish, then humans; or soil, grass, cow's meat and milk, then humans). [2] After they enter the body, these elements – called internal emitters – migrate to specific organs such as the thyroid, liver, bone, and brain, where they continuously irradiate small volumes of cells with high doses of alpha, beta and/or gamma radiation, and over many years, can induce uncontrolled cell replication – that is, cancer. (Caldicott

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/apr/11/nuclear-apologists-rad...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:11 | 1161376 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

"Internal radiation, on the other hand, emanates from radioactive elements which enter the body by inhalation, ingestion, 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Like from - bananas?

 

 

Banana equivalent dose - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

Fact Sheet on Biological Effects of Radiation: http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/bio-effects-ra...

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:14 | 1161385 mick_richfield
mick_richfield's picture

What's your problem?  I can absolutely assure you that a sufficiently high dose of ionizing radiation will indeed ensure that you will not die of cancer.

(Or need to be embalmed...)

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:00 | 1161349 I Got Worms
I Got Worms's picture

Trust Reuters. They issued the presser to the BBC that WTC 7 collapsed 19 minutes before it actually did. They're just that good!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:12 | 1161378 Herman Strandsc...
Herman Strandschnecke's picture

'Trust Reuters. They issued the presser to the BBC that WTC 7 collapsed 19 minutes before it actually did. They're just that good!'

Well I suppose I could give credit to their sources on that occasion but it still remains for the writer or editor to display caution until the event unfolds.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:16 | 1161396 mick_richfield
mick_richfield's picture

They, like GSax, were doing God's work.

Or -- at least -- OK, let's just say they were doing work for a divine being and leave it at that.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:35 | 1161932 Confuchius
Confuchius's picture

No NY buildings "collapsed"

 

They were all demolished with thermate.

Wake up.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 14:31 | 1162213 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

They were all demolished with thermate.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

How did that happen?

Have you ever studied what it takes for Controlled Demolition Inc to accomplish that kind of 'feat'?

 

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/

The Art of Demolition
.
For over sixty years, three generations of Loizeaux family innovation, expertise and leadership have created a commercial explosives demolition industry which has saved property owners and contractors hundreds of millions of dollars worldwide.
.
That leadership and unparalleled experience gives CDI clients access to a full range of services and capabilities through a global network of offices and agents, all dedicated to the precision application of our technology.
.
And behind each successful project stands the CDI team - a talented group of professionals with decades of experience dedicated to absolute perfection on each new project.

Prolly not ... just repeating more High-School produced Loose Change crap ...

 

"...Our team, working at ground zero, including myself, never saw indication of explosive use that would have been evident after the event. You just can't clean up all that det cord, shock tube, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges, burn marks along clean-cut edges of columns, etc., nor is there any evidence in the thousands of photos taken by the press and dozens of agencies over the following days."

-- Brent Blanchard, Demolition Expert, International Society of Explosives Engineers.

 

 

"All your base are debunked by us"

Vid rips Loose Change to shreds --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhy22V_95p0

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:05 | 1161362 ss123
ss123's picture

Looks like Tokyo is starting to get a cluster of earthquakes near it. Over 6.0s in the last day.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:06 | 1161363 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

Repeated from above:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

FLOW OF INFORMATION VERSUS COVER UP

Bungling, yes.

Disorganised, incoherent and sometimes contradictory, yes.

But it is difficult to accuse Japanese officials or TEPCO of intentionally covering up information, with round-the-clock updates and a steady stream of data.

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:14 | 1161397 Lord Welligton
Lord Welligton's picture

Why repeat it?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:20 | 1161407 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

BECAUSE some, perhaps like you, are prone to miss it ...

I happen think it was an important point.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:23 | 1161417 Lord Welligton
Lord Welligton's picture

I didn't miss it. See comments above.

Why type because in upper case?

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:27 | 1161439 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

Well, good for you.

You are smarter than the 'average bear' after all ...

But, you are not everybody either ... odds favor many MORE ppl missing it.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:08 | 1161367 Herbert_guthrie
Herbert_guthrie's picture

I've never wore a tin-foil hat, but I do believe that there can be more to the story than meets the eye.

IF you follow the money trail for the Chikyu Hakken, as well as other deepwater drilling "research" vessels around the world, you will find it leads back to the "usual suspects" financial doors.
These financial entities have profited from human misery and disaster in the past, why would they become humanitarians today?

You think deep drilling can't cause earthquakes? Best do a little more historical research friend, before you discount such theories as just from the "tin-foil" hat crowd.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:15 | 1161860 Ruffcut
Ruffcut's picture

Crap"

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:08 | 1161370 mick_richfield
mick_richfield's picture

This article is nonsense.

The most glaring, striking, glowing-in-the-dark difference between this accident and Chernobyl is the spent fuel ponds, which the article does not mention.  The condition of those pools is more significant that the condition of the reactors. 

Oh, and then there's the weapons program facility that is probably concealed at the site, and what complications it may be introducing.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:41 | 1161516 Jack Burton
Jack Burton's picture

 Indeed! The spent fuel rods are the wild card on the site. They pose an extreme hazard. But we hear mostly about the reactor cores, and all is well there because they are spraying water on them. True, that cools them, and produces and endless stream of highly radioactive water.

A story about two weeks ago out of Japan confirmed spent fuel rod particles and pieces were found up to a mile from the plant. That is bad! The man charged with radiation monitoring at the plant was interviewed on NHK. He says pieces of spent fuel debris are all around the plant and high radioactive. Face it, some spent fuel rods were blown to hell in the hydrogen explosions. How many and from which reactor only TEPCO knows.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:03 | 1161596 TaxSlave
TaxSlave's picture

TEPCO might not really know.

And all might not be so well in the reactors, either.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:19 | 1161403 franzpick
franzpick's picture

A bulk shipment from Japan of 20 used cars with above-normal radiation readings has been quarantined in eastern Russia, "probably to be sent back".  Wondering if radiation testing and reporting by foreign recipients of Japanese products isn't the truthful, unspun version of the contamination.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/radioactive-japanese-cars-detained-in-russia%e2%80%99s-far-east.html

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:23 | 1161426 connda
connda's picture

Whether Fukushima surpasses Chernobyl on some relative point scale is really a moot point compared to the impact on the populations surrounding those plants.  The population density surrounding Fukushima and the long-term impact on that population will tell the real story of this unfolding travesty and tragedy. "Hey, I know, let's build a bunch on nuclear power plants on the coast of a country that is earthquake prone and let's not anticipate the worst case scenerio of a massive earthquake and 45 foot tsunami.  Hell, I'm sure a 20 foot seawall is sufficient.  Gotta save money somewhere.  What's the chance of an 9.0 earthquake during our lifetimes -- kick the can down the road."

"Hummm.  Wow, we never saw that coming..."

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:40 | 1161732 flattrader
flattrader's picture

We did the same thing at Diablo Canyon...and screwed up the quake remediation, but let it operate anyway.

Just read the wikipedia entry.  I will scare the crap outta ya.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 14:21 | 1162408 moneymutt
moneymutt's picture

they had a tsunami same size in 800s, geologists had known for decades that that type of EQ and tsunami was a 1000 year re-occurring cycle, so in by year 2000, this tsunami was 200 years over due...they build better higher back to back ret walls for the bullet trains, they could have easily built 50 foot high sea wall filled most with inexpensive soil/gravel.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:27 | 1161440 TaxSlave
TaxSlave's picture

It's been long enough now to start wondering:

1)What is the condition of the workers "taken suddenly ill" early on in the event?  I assume everyone knows what this COULD mean.

2)Has the skin begun sloughing off the feet of the unsuspecting electricians they sent into the pools of radioactive water without boots?  That's how you measure exposure--how long till symptoms set in, and how much of the skin sloughs off before they have to amputate.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:48 | 1161545 Mentalic
Mentalic's picture

An interview with Testuo Jimbo on RT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrUShdT_eY&feature=player_embedded

 

Watch what he says around the 4 min mark...That's the reason some ppl cannot fathom the gravity of this situation.

We have been conditioned to expect increasing levels of danger with increasing levels of explosions....but, with radiation ..not so...

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:10 | 1161613 thegr8whorebabylon
thegr8whorebabylon's picture

TSlave, I believe at Chernobyl the feet began liquefaction in the gumboots while still in the puddle.  There is an interview of a female 'liquidator', still living who saw this.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:10 | 1161623 jesusonline
jesusonline's picture

One of the differences between these nuclear events is that in the case of Chernobyl you had a command economy which had vast resources and [initially] kept the "Liquidators" in the dark in regards to radiation danger - yet it in the end it managed to plug the leak - a lot of people's lives have been mangled, but it was done. With Fukushima you have a private company which got the daylights scared out of'em, kept mishandling the crisis from the start and continues to do so a month later.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:19 | 1161655 mick_richfield
mick_richfield's picture

Does anyone here know to what extent it is possible to rad-harden complex electronics?  i.e. processors, piezo-electric thingies, and sensors.  Anyone worked in that area?

Is it possible to build complex hardware that could function for, say, at least hundreds of hours, in the absolute worst conditions?  I mean like right in among the shattered fuel rods.

Is it possible to transmit and receive radio signals in an environment like that?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:50 | 1161764 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture

Does anyone here know to what extent it is possible to rad-harden complex electronics?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

It's done; space apps for instance require rad hardening ...

 

Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening

"Most radiation-hardened chips are based on their commercial equivalents, with some manufacturing and design variations that reduce the susceptibility to interference from electromagnetic radiation. Due to the extensive development and testing required to produce a radiation-tolerant design of a microelectronic chip, radiation-hardened chips tend to lag behind the cutting-edge of developments."

 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Is it possible to transmit and receive radio signals in an environment like that?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

 Yes; up to the point you create an enveloping plasma ...

 

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:23 | 1161670 ParaZite
ParaZite's picture

We are fucked. 

All comes out to about the same thing. 

 

 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:45 | 1161759 dick cheneys ghost
dick cheneys ghost's picture

For those that have not seen it, new video of Tsunami....horrific to say the least..

 

http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:42 | 1161956 Sweet Chicken
Sweet Chicken's picture

Man that was terrible. How can someone NOT keep the camera on the people to the right of the shot who were about to be overrun by the wave?!@?! Instead the camera operator moves the shot to the left and I am left to wonder if those people made it the fifty plus feet more to the hill or not.

That video is going to give me nightmares.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:08 | 1161842 LMAOLORI
Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:20 | 1161894 FranSix
FranSix's picture

Look for fairewinds fatherly, adult and frank discussion on why nitrogen gas is being used, and why this makes fukushima officially worse than Chernobyl.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:41 | 1161959 Felix-be
Felix-be's picture

Apparently, not all Japanese civil servants have been sleeping. Article in Japan Focus (Former Fukushima Governor Sato Eisaku Blasts METI –TEPCO Alliance: “Government must accept responsibility for defrauding the people” http://japanfocus.org/-Onuki-Satoko/3514). At age 71, this guy is still learning the hard way. Reminds me a little bit of what happened to Yury Bandazhevsky, the first to create an institute in Belarus dedicated to scientific work on the 1986 Chernobyl disaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Bandazhevsky). Maybe interesting reading if you understand German, an interview In a Swiss paper with Alex Kerr (58), an American writer who knows Japan very well (“Das japanische Volk leidet unter Selbstzufriedenheit” http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Das-japanische-Volk-leidet-unter-Se...).

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:31 | 1162169 suckerfishzilla
suckerfishzilla's picture

Well now that story sounds like a reasonable thesis that supports our continued  use of a fuel source that is so toxic we as humans have enough on hand in doses to kill about a bazillion humans to the nth power.  It's not like we can get rid of it now right?  We might as well put it to good use.  Make lemons from lemonade and all that.  HEMP FUELS NOW!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:39 | 1162207 Die Weiße Rose
Die Weiße Rose's picture

Greenpeace Fukushima radiation monitoring teams call for further evacuation:
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/press/releases/Greenpeace-calls-for-further-evacuation/

Greenpeace statement on Japan’s rating of Fukushima Daiichi accident as INES 7

Press release - April 12, 2011

Tokyo, 12 April, 2011 – Greenpeace today labelled the Japanese government’s decision to rate the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident INES level 7 – the same as the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster - as woefully late, and again called on it to immediately step up protective measures for affected populations.

"The history of the nuclear industry is littered of cover-ups and underplaying of the consequences of nuclear accidents. The industry both inside and outside Japan have again been underplaying the human consequences of this terrible tragedy, and only now after a month has this disaster been accepted for what it is - the worst on its scale”, said Thomas Breuer, Head of the Climate and Energy Unit at Greenpeace Germany. “But still, this is not the worst case scenario. As the industry still struggles to bring the stricken nuclear complex under control, much more radiation could be released”.

“What more warning could the world need to turn away from this deadly and dangerous technology, what more spur could their be to embrace an energy revolution based upon safe and secure renewable energy sources."

“Greenpeace has been calling for a level 7 rating for three weeks, however, as we have seen with evacuation zone around the nuclear plant, the government’s response is consistently lacking”.

“The Japanese government finally acknowledged how serious the situation is. It must fast track additional measures – such as the evacuation of pregnant women and children from densely populated areas like Fukushima City and Koriyama - to protect the health and livelihoods of those affected by this disaster” concluded Breuer.

ENDS

CONTACTS
Greg McNevin, Greenpeace International Communications, in Tokyo, Japan +81 80 3930 3341
Greenpeace International Press Desk Hotline, Amsterdam +31 (0) 20 7182470

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/press/releases/Greenpeace-sta...

 


Wed, 04/13/2011 - 00:06 | 1164100 Plumplechook
Plumplechook's picture

This article comparing Fukushima and Chernobyl is a disgraceful piece of hackery because it  fails to mention WHA 12.40.  And what the fuck is WHA 12.40, you may well ask?  Well don’t ever expect it to be mentioned in the MSM.

 

WHA 12.40 is the reference of a 1959 agreement between the World Health Organisation and the International Atomic Energy Agency, by which the WHO cannot publish any research, any findings, any data which the IAEA deems inappropriate. So when the WHO seems to caution the ridiculously low casualty rate attributed to Chernobyl, quoted in this article, you need to remember that it is being gagged by the IAEA. And the remit of the IAEA is to promote and encourage the development of the peaceful applications of nuclear technology.


So please do not take any comparisons between Chernobyl and Fukushima seriously, unless there is explicit reference to the 1959 WHO-IAEA agreement. And so far, there hasn't been.  I wonder why.

 

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 06:30 | 1164482 kraftwerk
kraftwerk's picture

I hate the way anti nuclear power people latch onto these reports.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!