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Full Barack Obama "60 Minutes" Interview And Complete Transcript

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On Wednesday, May 4, 2011 - three days after he announced that
American troops had killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan - President
Barack Obama talked with "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Kroft in the
Roosevelt Room of the White House. Below is a transcript of that
interview, as well as the full interview.

STEVE KROFT: Mr. President, was this the most satisfying week of your Presidency?

PRESIDENT
BARACK OBAMA: Well, it was certainly one of the most satisfying weeks
not only for my Presidency, but I think for the United States since I've
been President. Obviously bin Laden had been not only a symbol of
terrorism, but a mass murderer who's had eluded justice for so long, and
so many families who have been affected I think had given up hope.

And
for us to be able to definitively say, "We got the man who caused
thousands of deaths here in the United States and who had been the
rallying point for a violent extremist jihad around the world" was
something that I think all of us were profoundly grateful to be a part
of.

KROFT: Was the decision to launch this attack the most difficult decision that you've made as Commander-In-Chief?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Certainly one. You know, every time I send young men and women
into a war theatre, that's a tough decision. And, you know, whenever you
go to Walter Reed [Army Medical Center] or Bethesda [Naval Hospital]
and you see the price that our young people pay to keep this country
safe, that's a tough decision. Whenever you write a letter to a family
who's lost a loved one. It's sobering.

This was a very
difficult decision, in part because the evidence that we had was not
absolutely conclusive. This was circumstantial evidence that he was
gonna be there. Obviously it entailed enormous risk to the guys that I
sent in there. But ultimately I had so much confidence in the capacity
of our guys to carry out the mission that I felt that the risks were
outweighed by the potential benefit of us finally getting our man.

KROFT: When the CIA first brought this information to you . . .

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Right.

KROFT: What was your reaction? Was there a sense of excitement? Did this look promising from the very beginning?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: It did look promising from the beginning. Keep in mind that
obviously when I was still campaigning for President, I had said that if
I ever get a shot at bin Laden we're gonna take it. And that was
subject to some criticism at the time, because I had said if it's in
Pakistan and, you know, we don't have the ability to capture 'em in any
other way, then we're gonna go ahead and take the shot. So I felt very
strongly that there was a strategic imperative for us to go after him.

Shortly
after I got into office, I brought [CIA director] Leon Panetta
privately into the Oval Office and I said to him, "We need to redouble
our efforts in hunting bin Laden down. And I want us to start putting
more resources, more focus, and more urgency into that mission."

Leon
took that to the CIA. They had been working steadily on this since
2001, obviously. And there were a range of threads that were out there
that hadn't quite been pulled all together. They did an incredible job
during the course of a year and a half to pull on a number of these
threads until we were able to identify a courier who was known to be a
bin Laden associate, to be able to track them to this compound.

So
by the time they came to me they had worked up an image of the
compound, where it was and the factors that led them to conclude that
this was the best evidence that we had regarding bin Laden's whereabouts
since Tora Bora.

But we didn't have a photograph of bin
Laden in that building. There was no direct evidence of his presence.
And so the CIA continued to build the case meticulously over the course
of several months. What I told them when they first came to me with this
evidence was: "Even as you guys are building a stronger intelligence
case, let's also start building an action plan to figure out if in fact
we make a decision that this is him or we've got a good chance that
we've got him, how are we gonna deal with him? How can we get at that?"

And
so at that point you probably had unprecedented cooperation between the
CIA and our military in starting to shape an action plan that
ultimately resulted in success this week.

KROFT: When was that when you set that plan in motion?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Well, they first came to me in August of last year with evidence
of the compound. And they said that they had more work to do on it, but
at that point they had enough that they felt that it was appropriate
for us to start doing some planning. And so from that point on we
started looking at the time what our options might be.

The
vigorous planning did not begin until early this year. And obviously
over the last two months it's been very intensive in which not only did
an action plan get developed, but our guys actually started practicing
being able to execute.

KROFT: How actively were you involved in that process?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: About as active as any project that I've been involved with since I've been President.

Obviously
we have extraordinary guys. Our Special Forces are the best of the
best. And so I was not involved in designing the initial plan. But each
iteration of that plan they'd bring back to me. Make a full
presentation. We would ask questions.

We had multiple
meetings in the Situation Room in which we would map out -- and we would
actually have a model of the compound and discuss how this operation
might proceed, and what various options there were because there was
more than one way in which we might go about this.

And in
some ways sending in choppers and actually puttin' our guys on the
ground entailed some greater risks than some other options. I thought it
was important, though, for us to be able to say that we'd definitely
got the guy. We thought that it was important for us to be able to
exploit potential information that was on the ground in the compound if
it did turn out to be him.

We thought that it was
important for us not only to protect the lives of our guys, but also to
try to minimize collateral damage in the region because this was in a
residential neighborhood. I mean one of the ironies of this is, you
know, I think the image that bin Laden had tried to promote was that he
was an ascetic, living in a cave. This guy was living in a million
dollar compound in a residential neighborhood.

KROFT:
Were you surprised when they came to you with this compound right in the
middle of sort of the military center of Pakistan?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Well, I think that there had been discussions that this guy
might be hiding in plain sight. And we knew that some al Qaeda
operatives, high level targets basically, just blended into the crowd
like this.

I think we where surprised when we learned
that this compound had been there for five or six years, and that it was
in an area in which you would think that potentially he would attract
some attention. So yes, the answer is that we were surprised that he
could maintain a compound like that for that long without there being a
tip off.

KROFT: Do you believe it was built for him?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: We are still investigating that, but what is clear is that the
elements of the compound were structured so that nobody could see in.
There were no sight lines that would enable somebody walking by or
somebody in an adjoining building to see him. So it was clearly designed
to make sure that bin Laden was protected from public view.

KROFT: Do you have any idea how long he was there?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: We know he was there at least five years.

KROFT: Five years?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

KROFT: Did he move out of that compound?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: That we don't know yet. But we know that for five to six years
this compound was there, and our belief is that he was there during that
time.

KROFT: What was the most difficult part? I mean
you had to decide. This was your decision -- whether to proceed or not
and how to proceed. What was the most difficult part of that decision?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: The most difficult part is always the fact that you're sending
guys into harm's way. And there are a lot of things that could go wrong.
I mean there're a lot of moving parts here. So my biggest concern was,
if I'm sending those guys in and Murphy's Law applies and somethin'
happens, can we still get our guys out? So that's point number one.

Point
number two, these guys are goin' in in, you know, the darkest of night.
And they don't know what they're gonna find there. They don't know if
the building is rigged. They don't know if, you know, there are
explosives that are triggered by a particular door opening. So huge
risks that these guys are taking.

And so my number one
concern was: if I send them in, can I get them out? And a lot of the
discussion we had during the course of planning was how do we make sure
there's backup? How do we make sure that there's redundancy built into
the plan so that we have the best chance of getting our guys out? That's
point number one.

Point number two was: as outstanding a
job as our intelligence teams did -- and I cannot praise them enough
they did an extraordinary job with just the slenderest of bits of
information to piece this all together -- at the end of the day, this
was still a 55/45 situation. I mean, we could not say definitively that
bin Laden was there. Had he not been there, then there would have been
significant consequences.

 

Obviously, we're going into
the sovereign territory of another country and landing helicopters and
conducting a military operation. And so if it turns out that it's a
wealthy, you know, prince from Dubai who's in this compound, and, you
know, we've spent Special Forces in -- we've got problems. So there were
risks involved geopolitically in making the decision.

 

But
my number one concern was: can our guys get in and get out safely. The
fact that our Special Forces have become so good -- these guys perform
at levels that 20, 30 years ago would not have happened -- I think
finally gave me the confidence to say, "Let's go ahead." I think that
the American people have some sense of how good these guys are, but
until you actually see 'em and meet them, it's hard to describe how
courageous, how tough, how skilled, how precise they are. And it was
because of their skills that I ended up having confidence to make the
decision.

 

KROFT: I mean it's been reported that there
was some resistance from advisors and planners who disagreed with the
commando raid approach. Was it difficult for you to overcome that? And
what level of confidence did you have?

PRESIDENT OBAMA:
You know one of the things that we've done here is to build a team that
is collegial and where everybody speaks their mind. And there's not a
lot of snipin' or back-biting after the fact. And what I've tried to do
is make sure that every time I sit down in the situation room, every one
of my advisors around there knows I expect them to give me their best
assessments.

And so the fact that there were some who
voiced doubts about this approach was invaluable, because it meant the
plan was sharper, it meant that we had thought through all of our
options, it meant that when I finally did make the decision, I was
making it based on the very best information.

 

But as I
said, you know, there were sufficient risks involved where it wasn't as
if any of the folks who were voicing doubts were voicing somethin' that I
wasn't already runnin' through in my own head. You know, we understood
that there were some significant risks involved in this.

KROFT: How much did some of the past failures, like the Iran hostage rescue attempt, how did that weigh on you? I mean . . .

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I thought about that.

KROFT: . . . was that a factor?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Absolutely. Absolutely. No, I mean you think about Black Hawk
Down. You think about what happened with the Iranian rescue. And it, you
know, I am very sympathetic to the situation for other Presidents where
you make a decision, you're making your best call, your best shot, and
something goes wrong -- because these are tough, complicated operations.
And yeah, absolutely. The day before I was thinkin' about this quite a
bit.

KROFT: It sounds like you made a decision that you could accept failure. You didn't want failure but after looking at . . .

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah

KROFT:
. . . the 55/45 thing that you mentioned, you must have at some point
concluded that the advantages outweighed the risks . . . .

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: I concluded that it was worth it. And the reason that I
concluded it was worth it was that we have devoted enormous blood and
treasure in fighting back against al Qaeda. Ever since 2001. And even
before with the embassy bombing in Kenya.

 

And so part
of what was in my mind was all those young men that I visited who are
still fighting in Afghanistan. And the families of victims of terrorism
that I talk to. And I said to myself that if we have a good chance of
not completely defeating but badly disabling al Qaeda, then it was worth
both the political risks as well as the risks to our men.

KROFT: How much of it was gut instinct? Did you have personal feelings about whether . . . .

PRESIDENT OBAMA: You know, the thing

KROFT: . . . he was there?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: The thing about gut instinct is if it works, then you think,
"Boy, I had good instincts." If it doesn't, then you're gonna be running
back in your mind all the things that told you maybe you shouldn't have
done it. Obviously I had enough of an instinct that we could be right,
but it was worth doing.

KROFT: After you made the
decision to go ahead, you had like this incredible weekend where you
were you surveyed the tornado damage in Alabama.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Right.

KROFT: You took your family to the shuttle launch and met with people down there. With Gabby . . . .

PRESIDENT OBAMA: With Gabby . . . .

KROFT: . . . Giffords.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Giffords, yeah.

KROFT:
You attended the White House Association dinner. There was a
commencement address. And this was all going on, I mean you knew what
was gonna happen.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah. Yeah. The
decision was made. I made the decision Thursday night, informed my team
Friday morning, and then we flew off to look at the tornado damage. To
go to Cape Canaveral, to make a speech, a commencement speech. And then
we had the White House Correspondents' Dinner on Saturday night. So this
was in the back of my mind all weekend.

KROFT: Just the back?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Middle, front.

KROFT: Was it hard keeping your focus?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yes. Yeah.

KROFT:
Did you have to suppress the urge to tell someone? Did you wanna tell
somebody? Did you wanna tell Michelle? Did you tell Michelle?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: You know one of the great successes of this operation was that
we were able to keep this thing secret. And it's a testimony to how
seriously everybody took this operation and the understanding that any
leak could end up not only compromising the mission, but killing some of
the guys that we were sending in there.

And so very few
people in the White House knew. The vast majority of my most senior
aides did not know that we were doing this. And you know, there were
times where you wanted to go around and talk this through with some more
folks. And that just wasn't an option.

 

And during the
course of the weekend, you know, there was no doubt that this was
weighin' on me. But, you know, something I said during the campaign that
I've learned over and over again in this job is the Presidency requires
you to do more than one thing at a time. And it is important for you to
be able to focus on somethin' that matters deeply to you, but still be
able to do the things on a daily basis that are makin' a difference in
people's lives.

 

KROFT: I want to go to the Situation Room. What was the mood?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Tense.

KROFT: People talking?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Yeah, but doing a lot of listening as well, 'cause we were able
to monitor the situation in real time. Getting reports back from Bill
McRaven, the head of our special forces operations, as well as Leon
Panetta. And you know, there were big chunks of time in which all we
were doin' was just waiting. And it was the longest 40 minutes of my
life with the possible exception of when Sasha got meningitis when she
was three months old, and I was waiting for the doctor to tell me that
she was all right. It was a very tense situation.

KROFT: Were you nervous?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yes.

KROFT: What could you see?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: As I said, we were monitoring the situation. And we knew as
events unfolded what was happening in and around the compound, but we
could not get information clearly about what was happening inside the
compound.

KROFT: Right. And that went on for a long time? Could you hear gunfire?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: We had a sense of when gunfire and explosions took place.

KROFT: Flashes?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Yeah. And we also knew when one of the helicopters went down in a
way that wasn't according to plan. And, as you might imagine that made
us more tense.

KROFT: So it got off to a bad start?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Well, it did not go exactly according to planned, but this is
exactly where all the work that had been done anticipating what might go
wrong made a huge difference.

KROFT: There was a backup plan?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: There was a backup plan.

KROFT: You had to blow up some walls?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: We had to blow up some walls.

KROFT: When was the first indication you got that you had found the right place? That bin Laden was in there?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: There was a point before folks had left, before we had gotten
everybody back on the helicopter and were flying back to base, where
they said Geronimo has been killed. And Geronimo was the code name for
bin Laden. And now obviously at that point these guys were operating in
the dark with all kinds of stuff going on so everybody was cautious. But
at that point cautiously optimistic.

KROFT: What was your reaction when you heard those words?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: I was relieved and I wanted to make sure those guys got over the
Pakistan border and landed safely. And I think deeply proud and deeply
satisfied of my team.

KROFT: When did you start to feel comfortable that bin Laden had been killed?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: When they landed we had very strong confirmation at that point
that it was him. Photographs had been taken. Facial analysis indicated
that in fact it was him. We hadn't yet done DNA testing, but at that
point we were 95 percent sure.

KROFT: Did you see the pictures?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yes.

KROFT: What was your reaction when you saw them?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: It was him.

KROFT: Why haven't you released them?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: You know, we discussed this internally. Keep in mind that we are
absolutely certain this was him. We've done DNA sampling and testing.
And so there is no doubt that we killed Osama bin Laden. It is important
for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot
in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional
violence. As a propaganda tool.

You know, that's not who
we are. You know, we don't trot out this stuff as trophies. You know,
the fact of the matter is this was somebody who was deserving of the
justice that he received. And I think Americans and people around the
world are glad that he's gone. But we don't need to spike the football.
And I think that given the graphic nature of these photos, it would
create some national security risk. And I've discussed this with Bob
Gates and Hillary Clinton and my intelligence teams and they all agree.

KROFT:
There are people in Pakistan, for example, who say, "Look, this is all a
lie. This is another American trick. Osama's not dead."

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: You know, the truth is that - and we're monitoring worldwide
reaction -- there's no doubt that bin Laden is dead. Certainly there's
no doubt among al Qaeda members that he is dead. And so we don't think
that a photograph in and of itself is gonna make any difference. There
are gonna be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is, you will
not see bin Laden walkin' on this earth again.

KROFT: Was it your decision to bury him at sea?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: It was a joint decision. We thought it was important to think
through ahead of time how we would dispose of the body if he were killed
in the compound. And I think that what we tried to do was, consulting
with experts in Islamic law and ritual, to find something that was
appropriate that was respectful of the body.

Frankly we
took more care on this than, obviously, bin Laden took when he killed
3,000 people. He didn't have much regard for how they were treated and
desecrated. But that, again, is somethin' that makes us different. And I
think we handled it appropriately.

KROFT: When the mission was over . . .

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Uh-huh.

KROFT: . . . and you walked out of the situation room . . . .

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

KROFT: . . . what did you do? What was the first thing you did?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Yeah, I think I walked up with my team, and I just said, "We got
him." And I expressed my profound gratitude and pride to the team that
had worked on this.

I mean keep in mind this is
something, first of all, that that wasn't just our doing. Obviously
since 2001, countless folks in our intelligence community and our
military had worked on this issue. President Bush had obviously devoted a
lot of resources to this, and so there was a cumulative effort and a
testament to the capacity of the United States of America to follow
through. And to do what we said we're gonna do. Even across
administrations, across party lines and the skill with which our
intelligence and military folks operated in this was indescribable.

 

So
it was a moment of great pride for me to see our capacity as a nation
to execute something this difficult this well. And obviously, it also
made me think about those families that I had met previously who had
been so profoundly burdened by the fact that he was still runnin' around
out there.

 

You know, I got a letter the day after, an
e-mail from a young person who had spoken to her dad when she was four
years old before the towers collapsed, he was he was in the building.
And she described what it had been like for the last ten years growing
up, always having that image of her father's -- the sound of her
father's voice, and thinking that she'd never see him again, and
watching her mother weep on the phone. And that's what I thought about.

 

KROFT:
When you announced that bin Laden had been killed last Sunday, you said
"Our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin
Laden in the compound where he was hiding." Can you be more specific on
that, and how much help did Pakistan actually provide in getting rid of
bin Laden.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: You know, I've gotta be
careful about sources and methods and how we operate and how we pieced
together this intelligence, because we're gonna still be goin' after
terrorists in the future.

What I can say is that
Pakistan, since 9/11, has been a strong counterterrorism partner with
us. There have been times where we've had disagreements. There have been
times where we wanted to push harder, and for various concerns, they
might have hesitated. And those differences are real. And they'll
continue.

 

But the fact of the matter is, is that we've
been able to kill more terrorists on Pakistani soil than just about any
place else. We could not have done that without Pakistani cooperation.
And I think that this will be an important moment in which Pakistan and
the United States gets together and says, "All right, we've gotten bin
Laden, but we've got more work to do. And are there ways for us to work
more effectively together than we have in the past?"

 

And
that's gonna be important for our national security. It doesn't mean
that there aren't gonna be times where we're gonna be frustrated with
Pakistanis. And frankly, there are gonna be times where they're
frustrated with us. You know, they've got not only individual terrorists
there, but there's also a climate inside of Pakistan that sometimes is
deeply anti-American. And it makes it more difficult for us to be able
to operate there effectively.

 

But I do think that it's
important for the American people to understand that we've got a stake
in continuing cooperation from Pakistan on these issues.

KROFT: You didn't tell anybody in the Pakistani government or the military.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No.

KROFT: Or their intelligence community?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No.

KROFT: Because you didn't trust?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: As I said, I didn't tell most people here in the White House. I
didn't tell my own family. It was that important for us to maintain
operational security.

KROFT: But you were carrying out this operation in Pakistan.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

KROFT: You didn't trust 'em?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: If I'm not revealing to some of my closest aides what we're
doin', then I sure as heck am not gonna be revealing it to folks who I
don't know.

KROFT: Right. Now the location of this house, the location of the compound just raises all sorts of questions.

 

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Uh-huh.

KROFT: Do you believe people in the Pakistani government, Pakistani intelligence agencies knew that bin Laden was living there?

 

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: We think that there had to be some sort of support network for
bin Laden inside of Pakistan. But we don't know who or what that support
network was. We don't know whether there might have been some people
inside of government, people outside of government, and that's something
that we have to investigate, and more importantly, the Pakistani
government has to investigate.

And we've already
communicated to them, and they have indicated they have a profound
interest in finding out what kinds of support networks bin Laden might
have had. But these are questions that we're not gonna be able to answer
three or four days after the event. It's gonna take some time for us to
be able to exploit the intelligence that we were able to gather on
site.

And I just want the American people to think about
this. These guys, our guys, go in in the dead of night, it's pitch
black, they're takin' out walls, false doors, gettin' shot at, they
killed bin Laden, and they had the presence of mind to still gather up a
whole bunch of bin Laden's material which will be a treasure trove of
information that could serve us very well in the weeks and months to
come. It's just an indication of the extraordinary work that they did.

 

KROFT: Do you have any sense of what they found there?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: We are now obviously putting everything we've got into analyzing
and evaluatin' all that information. But we anticipate that it can give
us leads to other terrorists that we've been lookin' for for a long
time, other high value targets. But also can give us a better sense of
existing plots that might have been there how they operated and their
methods of communicating.

 

All of this should help us
continue to push harder and harder. And one of the things that I said
when I came into office was we had to remember what our primary focus
was. Who carried out September 11th and how do we make sure that we are
laser-focused on getting them.

We have done a great job
even before we got bin Laden in degrading their capacity. And we now
have the opportunity, we're not done yet, but we've got the opportunity,
I think, to really finally defeat at least Al Qaeda in that border
region between Pakistan and Afghanistan. That doesn't mean that we will
defeat terrorism. It doesn't mean that Al Qaeda hasn't metastasized to
other parts of the world where we've gotta, you know, address operatives
there. But it does mean we've got a chance to, I think, really deliver a
fatal blow to this organization, if we follow through aggressively in
the months to come.

KROFT: Is this the first time that you've ever ordered someone killed?

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: Well, keep in mind that, you know, every time I make a decision
about launching a missile, every time I make a decision about sending
troops into battle, you know, I understand that this will result in
people being killed. And that is a sobering fact. But it is one that
comes with the job.

KROFT: This was one man. This is somebody who's cast a shadow in this place, in the White House for almost a decade.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Right.

PRESIDENT
OBAMA: As nervous as I was about this whole process, the one thing I
didn't lose sleep over was the possibility of taking bin Laden out.
Justice was done. And I think that anyone who would question that the
perpetrator of mass murder on American soil didn't deserve what he got
needs to have their head examined.

 

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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:43 | 1254074 SobaYobonay
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Stopped watching after the first soft ball question was asked.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:54 | 1254109 clymer
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stopped reading after the post title

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:47 | 1254141 Quixotic_Not
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Unbelievable how stupid and gullible 'MeriKans are...95% will watch this propaganda piece without even a shallow thought passing through their cerebral cortex.

A thought like, "Hey, would the President of the USA actually be lying his ass off to raise his popularity?".

Of course the warmongers, the apparatchiks, the faggots and the mongrel tribalists will shoot a load and wallow in the emotionality of the moment - even this thinly veiled facade!

In fact, the (D) & (R) Free Shit Empire™ leadership is so cock sure of themselves they didn't even bother to use a graphics pro to fake Obama Bin Lying's pseudo birth certificate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

Go ahead morons, keep voting for Change you can bleed in...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:16 | 1254521 Fred G Sanford
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It scares me to think about what Obama might do as a second term/lame duck president. I could see him doing way more damage to this country because he no longer needs people's votes. I get the feeling that TPTB really want him re-elected as his campaign seems to now be in high gear and he is suddenly doing things to try to gain popularity. They may have big plans for his second term. We NEED to make Obama a one-term president IMO.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:19 | 1254740 baby_BLYTHE
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Ron Paul 2012!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:40 | 1254750 ZFiNX
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Last time I checked he was polling 10% nationally.. I guess only 90% of americans will eat this crap up.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 05:50 | 1254809 Husk-Erzulie
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Oh my god, the smooth shit shoveler as lame duck? Christ, he could get away with murder...oh wait :-p  Seriously, good point though, I was wondering why he got tossed operation insta hero, they want him in that role, as you described.  Change you can bleed in, I liked that, may be prophetic.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:09 | 1254930 i-dog
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I believe that 'operation insta hero' was actually 'Operation Book End' ... marking the close of 10 years of 'War on Terror' and the beginning of a new period of 'War Against The People' (as if we haven't suffered enough already)!

Instead of stomping all over the globe "seeking out terrorists" -- and conveniently snatching a few oil fields, opium fields and gold stashes along the way -- the focus of the Anglo-American puppet masters will now change to "defending from terrorists" by imposing many more draconian curbs on personal freedoms at home.

Since none in Washington have any intention of fixing the economy, O'bomber will be a natural for a 2nd term of keeping the sheep pacified in their pens.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:37 | 1254664 Manthong
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Wow. I've used AI and other vector/layer and bitmap graphic programs. That video sure looked convincing to me.

Could they really be that stupid to not have produced a printed copy and then scan it for the pdf?

If they are, we are in even bigger trouble than any of us have thought.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:57 | 1254751 Quixotic_Not
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Yes, they are really that stupid.

Even Herr Denniger, who thinks he tore apart Obama's birth certificate (still patting himself on the back, while Pika kisses his ass), missed the simplicity of their stupidity (he didn't try to open the PDF in Illustrator to see if the layers were still there, because he assumed they weren't THAT stupid).

I'm glad someone didn't assume, did open it in AI, and then put the whole thing on YouTube, as the Obama Bin Lyin' ain't done in court, yet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383026/Obama-birth-certificate-...

I still can't believe they released it like that, so yes I guess that means we're totally and absolutely fucked, because the media is either dumber than the Obama Administration, or totally co-opted and would print whatever lies they're presented with.

They're even going after pro athletes that ask questions now, calling them that dreaded name *GASP* "a notorious birther":

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/oh-come-on-orioles-luke-scot...

It appears Freedom Of The Press has now become Freedom to spread Lies and Propaganda!

God help the USA...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:03 | 1254762 Rynak
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Oh

my

god!

 

Until now, i had no opinion on the birth cert issue. I simply viewed it as another official story with holes, but where there isn't really clear proof one way or the other. Without the ability to verify it, the topic seemed rather pointless to me..... because the (to me) only aspect that would make it big, would be falsification.

And then....... this........ i don't even know what to say about it..... i just want to bang my head against a wall to make it stop.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:16 | 1254768 Quixotic_Not
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It really is mind-blowing, isn't it?

Anyone that wants to see the truth about the "birth certificate", click this link and to stay in Wonderland and see how deep the rabbit-hole goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 10:22 | 1255331 trav7777
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this shit is like amateur hour

They grabbed a BC that had some shit they could use and layered on the rest....WTF.

Where is the media?  Surely some kid on the internet isn't the only one who did any verification? 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:15 | 1254752 Quixotic_Not
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Anyone that wants to download the faked birth certificate, and perhaps open it in Illustrator for yourself, here's the link:

http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-l...

(yes, it's still there)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:42 | 1254754 ZFiNX
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It's a win-win for Obama, if it inspires more birther claims, it hardens his base of support, if it doesn't, it still put to rest all previous claims. What matters not is whether it is real or not, what matters is what the people believe, for every photoshop expert that claims it is fake, TPTB has one to say it is real - there is no winning this argument.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:14 | 1254766 Rynak
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This is NOT a photoshop job! Thats the point....... watch the video.... this is not a matter of figuring out if something is faked. ALL THE DATA THAT SHOWS THE MANIPULATION IS STILL IN THE OFFICIAL FILE! They forgot to remove the data that shows the manipulation.

To explain it for someone who isn't that technically knowledgeable: When you scan a document, it is ONE image. The file on the whitehouse site is not -one- image... it is a collage of multiple images..... the info about the "cut & paste" job is still there!

So, "verifying it" requires no guessing or "estimation"..... nothing at all.... the data in the file outrightly and unambigiously says "i'm a fake, and here is how it has been done". Denying that this is a fake requires outright lying. There is no way at all to "spin" this... only ignore it.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:20 | 1254771 Quixotic_Not
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People with Narcissistic Personality disorder are, by definition, pathological liars.

And they don't care if you know. The act of lying is rewarding in itself for them.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:25 | 1254176 Thunder_Downunder
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Ahh... I don't know where I'd be without my regular dose of hate. Helps keep me refreshed and focussed on Party ideals.

 

Down with Eastasia! .. or was it Eurasia..I might have blanked out for a second during the interview...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:14 | 1254283 nmewn
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Spit Jameson & Ginger Ale all over the place and stopped after;

KROFT: How actively were you involved in that process?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: About as active as any project that I've been involved with since I've been President.

So, not at all.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:22 | 1254291 Yen Cross
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You are some one I like. You are just a protoge, of the real man!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:37 | 1254322 Matte_Black
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A waste of fine whiskey sir, but know that I understand. lol...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:39 | 1254328 NuckingFuts
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I have no reason to junk your comment, so I won't.  BUT, mixing Jameson with anything but water and ice........... blasphemy! ; )

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:41 | 1254334 corndog
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Doesn't that degrade the Jameson? Try it straight.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:41 | 1254565 Re-Discovery
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Try pouring it down the drain and filling it up with real whiskey - - - from Scotland.

(Ya mick bastards!!)

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:52 | 1254602 NuckingFuts
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I live in bourbon country and am a Kentucky Straight man.  But I appreciate your enthusiasm for the Scot's. +1

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:06 | 1254618 Flakmeister
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In all fairness, he did add Ginger Ale to it. I would have spit it out as well.

As for me, when I drink, it's JD, when I sip, Oban or Talisker.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:35 | 1254773 adeptish
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You spelled Whiskey with an E, which is of course Irish whiskey, the irish were making it for about 500 years before the Scottish rip-off.
Scottish version spelled as whisky...
Just saying...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:19 | 1254742 baby_BLYTHE
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Jameson is the shit! Whiskey or GTFO, bitchez.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:45 | 1254338 Zero Govt
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so he was on the Golf course then ...thought it'd be hard to find a bigger slacker than G.Bush but Obumma has topped him... probably in BS too!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:01 | 1254368 nmewn
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He's got the market cornered on bullshit ZG, no doubt about it.

Just got done grillin some rib eyes...gotta feed the kids first ya know, and yes, adding the Ginger Ale is blasphemy, to some, but I like it...accept when its all over my screen.

Happy Mothers Day to all you mothers out there ;-)

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:12 | 1254389 NuckingFuts
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Enjoy your family and +1 for your kudos to the Mothers.  Mine taught me how to work hard, save money and invest it wisely.  I can't thank her enough for that.  She also taught me there is no sin in protecting what's yours with lead.  God bless 'em.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:25 | 1254424 nmewn
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I was taught the same, along with numero uno, the prime directive, the less people know about your business the better off you are.

As a side benefit, it also drives statists, corporate data miners and general officialdom insane ;-)

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:08 | 1254490 NuckingFuts
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Why would someone junk that?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 01:26 | 1254706 Rynak
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Because he has an agenda.

Observe: Near all posts in this thread, who got 2-5 junks, were criticism of the obama administration. And yet, there are almost no posts in this thread, who are pro-obama.

Bottom line: Those who are doing junking in this thread, are not posting.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:34 | 1254548 Yen Cross
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Pich(Pork and T's) on me Hasidic Prick.

 

Statists and corperate data miners. You worthless prick. You get B_-26 billion in love money every YEAR. You schlep the UNITED STATES every year with your security agency. I'm CHRISTIAN, and fed UP with THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:50 | 1254591 NuckingFuts
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STFU! In case you missed the thread we were praising our mothers.  I think stormfront is missing you.  I'm a Christian and I don't remember hate being the 11th commandment.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:54 | 1254607 nmewn
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I see my arrow found its mark.

My warmest personal regards to you and every last one of your proteges ;-)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 01:09 | 1254690 The Navigator
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I un-junk you 2Quadrillion - so junker, whoever you are, do the ZH log-in math on that.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:31 | 1254190 KinorSensase
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windowlicker.  very nice.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:37 | 1254441 gosseyn
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Didn't bother to watch.  Just ask yourself, wtf is the POTUS doing on some MSM-owned programmed shill?  If he has something to say to the American people, regardless of the topic, he should be doing so in a pre-announced all-networks telecast.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:29 | 1254977 Saxxon
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Gosseyn, agreed.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:42 | 1254078 Concentrated po...
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.'s picture

You Lie!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:30 | 1254188 Concentrated po...
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All I do is quote a congressman and I get two junks.  Why junk a quote without a response? 

Also, the man lies...a LOT.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:29 | 1254546 Yen Cross
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The Hat is mine. You have nothing to worry about.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:46 | 1254079 terryg999
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For someone who isn't going to spike his touchdown, he sure is being an asshat!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:46 | 1254080 downwiththebanks
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Wherever alCIAda pops their little head up, intensified killing and war spending soon follows.

If this little bit of theater didn't send Pakistan a message to stop dealing with Russia and China, nothing will.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:47 | 1254083 clymer
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yuck.

 

up next.. Royal Wedding Photos.

 

(ZH, the most successful wikileaks to date)

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:47 | 1254084 I am Jobe
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My word. Is this guy for real? Could have gottena  teleprompter to be a president would have been cheaper. I throw up evertime I see Waffle House Interviews. Ok, then no TV tonight , time to drink and enjoy Guns and Roses.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:16 | 1254402 sentient
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Mr Brownstone, biatch.....

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:48 | 1254087 TooBearish
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Dont look now Bam Bam shite going down in Eqypt again....

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:49 | 1254088 km4
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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:46 | 1254093 km4
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Cornel West says you're a black mascot of ‘Wall Street oligarchs’ http://bit.ly/dTUQtF

 

comment please ;)

 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 06:10 | 1254816 Husk-Erzulie
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Oh my, when Cornell West and Tavis Smiley are both sayin you are a douche maybe you really do have a rubber hose growing out a yer forehead.  Love the comments on this link, you got some die hard bots out there still (wake up bots, Cornell West and Tavis Smiley have more intellect in their dead skin cells than Obarry will ever command and they're blacker)  Then you have the comments like Obarry is just holding the lantern on Poppy's lawn LOL.  It doesn't get more weird but If the tinsel is beginning to fade on this shit-lilly then I'm all for it.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:51 | 1254095 tslv50
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I do not want to watch osama lying, I don't think any segment of this crowd does. Now Bernenake, that guy is fun to watch, especially when its live and the markets are open.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:38 | 1254208 kalum
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Sorry didnt mean to junk, hit wrong button.

 

As someone else said a few days ago, B fun to watch when his horns trembling

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 01:13 | 1254694 MilleniumJane
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LOL!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:52 | 1254103 duo
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CBS must have gotten the memo that they need to suck up and make Obama look lika a god or there will be no press access.  Sickening.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:55 | 1254104 maxcody
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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:53 | 1254105 dark pools of soros
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did Sasha really get menigitis??  can we check the records??

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:11 | 1254497 mynhair
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No.  Indonesia does not release records to Gringos.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:53 | 1254106 maxcody
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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:53 | 1254107 maxcody
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Double minded in all his ways.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:53 | 1254108 maxcody
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Double minded in all his ways.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:13 | 1254506 mynhair
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Look, Duff, when the corner of your browser sez 'waiting', wait dipshit!

Eliminate multiple posts!  Pay fukking attention!

And please, don't vote.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:02 | 1254124 clymer
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God, you're sick

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:11 | 1254145 Segestan
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Did I hurt you're feelings?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:21 | 1254166 Quixotic_Not
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Only a sick & twisted minion (or worse) would believe the lies coming out of the District of Criminals.

And no, your self-delusion doesn't hurt my feelings, but it is nausea inducing to witness the dreck vomited up by you and your ilk!

You can back to licking your masters' boots now...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:29 | 1254182 Segestan
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What kind of ilk am I? 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:40 | 1254216 Quixotic_Not
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The kind that has an organism when you junk a patriot.

Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. ~ Samuel Adams

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:49 | 1254229 Segestan
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wow... I had no idea. and you know you're opinion is very important... right?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:53 | 1254241 Quixotic_Not
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Probably more important than someone that spells your

incorrectly as you're!

Carry on moron...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:09 | 1254391 thatthingcanfly
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... or someone who spells orgasm incorrectly as organism?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:03 | 1254480 Quixotic_Not
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Ahahaha!

No, errr...I really meant like errr, an organism taking over their pathetic lil' minds, like Invasion of the Body Snatchers!

http://jordanhoffman.com/wp-content/uploads/invasion-of-the-body-snatche...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:43 | 1254400 nmewn
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"Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. ~ Samuel Adams"

+10 for the dead on quote.

Edit: Only two junks?...only two anonymous statist shills on board?

Budget cuts & austerity bitchez!!!...LOL.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:06 | 1254486 Quixotic_Not
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The .gov agent provocateurs, aka professional trolls, must be between shifts or perhaps sleeping at their console like an air traffic controller  ;-)

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:39 | 1254559 Flakmeister
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Are you for real?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:44 | 1254583 Quixotic_Not
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Are you?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:02 | 1254616 nmewn
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The flakeymister is an avowed socialist...haven't you heard?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:16 | 1254633 Flakmeister
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the appropriately named "Bin Had" thread starring the Man with One vowel in his avatar. The action picks up mid-way... let's join in:

#1249221

I'll direct your attention to our star's all but incoherent ramblings and his clear inability to articulate any response to my points. Also notice, a very juvenile understanding of the differences between political and economic philosophies. Warning some of the material may not be appropriate for all ages.

Good Night and Good Luck.

 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:31 | 1254659 nmewn
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I highly recommend it to all.

In it we find the true thoughts of a socialist. Who, at the very end admits that socialism does in fact repress individual freedom & liberty.

Now he will point out that I said he would have the last word, meaning in his mind, that it was the end of the discussion between us once he posted a reply...it was not.

My direct quote was;

"You get the last word..."

And he did, on that thread.

Enjoy Bin Had.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:37 | 1254667 Flakmeister
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Umm.. twisting things as usual. I posted a reply and you felt a need to return.

But enough of our bickering, let's let the Studio Audience decide...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 01:14 | 1254696 chirobliss
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Excellent Mr F. I admire your dedication in the face of such determined ignorance.  I wish you well.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 06:45 | 1254835 nmewn
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I said you would get the last word, on that thread...and you did.

I gave no time limit. My reason for even responding was because you, even as a blood sucking socialist, can see truth and verified what I had been saying.

Your words;

"Otherwise, personal freedoms are very restricted in Switzerland. But what do I know, I only used to work/live outside Geneva. Switzerland is the essence of a "Nanny State"..."

Then you compound it saying in part;

"You naive libertarian types that think freedom is the end all and be all."

This all started because you, as a socialist, feel superior to everyone else. Anyone reading our exchange will see it and you are most assuredly not.

And it goes back further than our recent exchange doesn't it Flakey? Back to where you were trying to find out what I earn...and you still don't know;

Me: "So, you were being a deceitful prick (as I suspected) from the very outset of our conversation when you wrote this;

You: >>>I'm here because some one offered to pay me $250,000 a year and then I met someone that convinced me to stay...<<<"

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/more-americans-think-america-depression-growing#comment-1222064

You fancy yourself a fucking secret agent or something? You have a great interest in trying to find out peoples legal status, past travels and wages.

I don't care about any of that except one...what's your legal status here in America Flakey?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 10:32 | 1255366 trav7777
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what's next, you gonna call him a "liberal" when you can't address his points?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 10:50 | 1255443 nmewn
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Is he going to show me his utopian socialist country like I asked? I doubt it. I don't tolerate monarchy any more than I do socialism.

Is he going to justify compounding national debt as a means to some grand social end. I doubt that too.  

Is he going to say we must hand over our freedom & liberty to the state for our own good? I believe he already did.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:01 | 1256203 Flakmeister
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     Here is the difference between us. I am pragmatic and realistic enough to state that there is no Utopia in any political economy. Whereas you desperately cling to an abstract idea.

My point is that if you look at the data and simply weigh the needs of the many against the needs of a few, also taking into account that the most valuable capital a country has is its people, you end up with a Social Democracy.

     I am more that willing to give up certain freedoms in return for a functioning society. There are others that I will not. While non-statist philosophies can be intellectually appealing, they fail, like all other political economies, when put into practice. Typically, they fail badly, if not worse than the extremes of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

   For the record, I am basically a fiscal conservative and am also upset about the manner in which the debt has been treated. If you look at most Social Democracies, you will see that they are in better shape than the US. It is mainly of matter of how you prioritize things.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 21:44 | 1257715 nmewn
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Some things we have agreed on, the important ones we never will.

My issue with socialism will always be, the empowering of the state over the individual to the point where the individual is servile to it, dependent upon the state instead of themselves. This places the state in a position of power over the people instead of people empowering the state.

This is unhealthy, for any form of government and for the people.

As you say yourself..."I am more that willing to give up certain freedoms in return for a functioning society."...so, you understand what is innate to humans. Rights, liberty and freedom are not given by any state but can be suppressed through its laws. You and I are born with them.

And in my view no amount of bread deigned to be doled out through the benevolence of the state is worthy of surrendering any rights a person is born with. The bread was first taken from someone else (in any real economy) and I will not prostitute my liberty for it.

Also, I am not an anarchist, as you should have probably figured out by now.

The issue is how much are producers willing to give up through taxation to stay in one place. This has largely been circumvented, for now, through debt issuance which will ultimately fail, as it always has, as a source for both war & welfare. The amount of debt is simply too large to overcome here as it is in many places abroad.

In fairness, the American Indian is a better example of socialism working. A homogenus people, small in population, is the only place socialism can work realistically. But one or two head Indian's sucking off the labor of everyone else is vastly different than 100's of millions of people required to support 100's of thousands of chiefs, especially when half the Indians are required to do nothing at all, the watered down Marxian conundrum ;-) 

As to "rights" delivered up, even though there is no "right" to vote in a federal election here (long story, some other time) I think we may be in agreement on one...in my opinion if one is a ward of the state they get no vote to decide who to send into federal government to take from others in order to apportion to others as they have produced nothing to contribute into the whole. This is fairness. How could it be unfair?

For the record I too am a fiscal conservative...but liberal (in the classical sense) on just about everything else. We have agreed that what we have today, in America, is not capitalism. It cannot be with state supported corporations (FNM, FRE, AIG, GM, solar subsidies etc.).

Because malinvestment is not allowed to be destroyed (a tenet of capitalism) it has become a form of socialism (fascism), supported not by the tax base, but by debt issuance, whether you want to admit it or not.

Capitalism requires savings before there can be risk capital formation. For example...a mortgaged home cannot be capital or an asset to the occupier until its paid for and held free & clear by the occupier. Now, if the requirements of the state are such that earnings are drawn away to it (the state via taxation) the debt bondage continues, just with a different face.

We, here, should have listened to a famous American and the lesson he learned. If you enjoy history, which you seem to have a fondness for, you will enjoy this bit of Americana. I would ask that you save it for your morning coffee.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html

We are not the first to hold heated discussions about these things and we will not be the last.

I don't know what this statement winds up meaning..."If you look at most Social Democracies, you will see that they are in better shape than the US."

Which countries debt to government revenue are you talking about?

Tue, 05/10/2011 - 17:30 | 1260652 Flakmeister
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There, you had the last word. You made good use of it. Till the next time.

Tue, 05/10/2011 - 23:04 | 1261605 nmewn
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I look forward to it.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:30 | 1254611 NuckingFuts
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He's for real and I hope when our paths cross he and I have a common objective......I think we will.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:24 | 1254622 NuckingFuts
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dup

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:40 | 1254562 Yen Cross
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You Yiddish COCK ROACH! I dance with your pathetic BUSS saving diatriabe all day long!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:09 | 1254624 nmewn
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Cut back on the beastiality...I hear it helps the gene pool.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:19 | 1254636 NuckingFuts
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Really??  Seriously??  I guess his arrow did hit it's mark.  Do you see how he isn't calling you names?  Who do you think wins that discussion in a public forum like ZH?  The one who name calls and spouts hate or the one who turns the other cheek and gently mocks your stupidity? 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:12 | 1254144 augie
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Did he pull the trigger? a real leader wouldn't have taken credit for something acomplished with many others involved.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:11 | 1254153 Segestan
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I do see you're point, but real leaders are in short supply.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:40 | 1254214 jomama
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and real puppets all too common.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:23 | 1254168 snowball777
Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:47 | 1254226 Yen Cross
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It's about time you wasabe bitch!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:15 | 1254407 sentient
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Cut off his head and put it in the World Trade Center lobby... Woodchip his ass into a pile in the middle of a pig pen.....

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:35 | 1254203 downwiththebanks
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Triumph = defeating a fake enemy.  USAma and alCIAda are Uncle Sam's allies - have been for a long, long time.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 01:05 | 1254685 chirobliss
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Enjoy the junking, relish the pleasure of expressing a contrary opinion. Sadly ZH has become a bastion of uniformity. A site built on a reputation for seeing past the fluff to the depth of the true horror behind politics and economics has become an incestuous neanderthal pit barbecue where ignorant fools congratulate themselves on non-existent silver trades and pretend their basements are filled with more gold bars than Fort Knox, which, by the way is empty of all but the fossilized remains of the aliens from Area 51 and surplus explosives from the controlled demolition of the WTC.

ZH has become a bacchanalian orgy of groupthink and reactionary bullying, where posters display the mentality and manners of an English football team at a game in a country whose language they don't understand.  Ignorance and stupidity are mutually celebrated and no-one, absolutely and without exception, no-one is allowed to question the crowd that roars and bellows their pathetic, ill-thought and feeble theories.

So again I ask you all to junk me, junk me, let's see how many I can collect, then ask yourself... "Who exactly are the sheeple??"

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:15 | 1254712 Rynak
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Bullshit.

Dude, if you have no fucking clue about whats going on, then please STFU instead of repeating this myth, okay?

Here's whats actually going on in this thread:

Near all posts which got 2-5 junks, were posts criticizing obama and the administration - and yet, there are almost no posts which are pro-obama. So, those few who are doing the junking (or their alter egos) are not posting in this thread.

Now, could the noobs please either stop making such remarks, or inform themselves / ask whats going on? Fucking stop blaming the community for something which a bunch of idiots are doing.

P.S.: In case you wonder, i was the one who junked your post, because it is "junk".

EDIT: Correction, there are at least 3 pro-obama posters in this thread, all of them doing nothing else than flaming.... oh, what a coincidence..... could it perhaps be, that they simply junked all posts who were anti-obama?

And deja vu..... once again those who are AGAINST the common bias, are doing most of the junking, rather than the other way around.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 10:55 | 1255455 chirobliss
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Hmm, repudiated by a birther. My street cred just rocketed. You have my gratitude.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:03 | 1254121 booboo
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Croft: "We understand why they called Greenspan the "Maestro" and Bernanke the "Rainmaker", why do they call you "My Bitch"

Obama: Uh Huh

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:28 | 1254746 baby_BLYTHE
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Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:03 | 1254122 UnBearorBull
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Here's something meaningless but fun.

Look at how similar Obama's eyes are to OBL's.

Could be twins.

 

 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:29 | 1254193 Quixotic_Not
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Or father and son...

It is quite possible (and logical) that Bill Clinton's father was Winthrop Rockefeller, in case you didn't know  ;-)

http://inaaronsopinion.blogspot.com/2005/12/us-president-william-j-rocke...

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:08 | 1254273 benb
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First time I’ve seen anybody actually bring that one up. Clinton- the product of a Rockefeller and a Mafia party girl. Maybe that’s why Three Dollar Bill is such a lying whore?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:49 | 1254289 Quixotic_Not
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Glad to be of service...

P.S.  I knew about this back in 94', when I was part of the failed patriot movement, so that should tell you how useless uncovering facts is in 'MeriKa.

It should also tell you how powerful the District of Criminals. and their mouthpiece the Lame Stream Media, is...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.php

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:06 | 1254127 Clint Liquor
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Bin Laden's goal was to bankrupt the US by causing never ending military conflicts and interrupting commerce.

It appears he is going out a winner.

9% unemployment............no second term!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:07 | 1254143 Ham Wallet
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Bin Laden had nothing to do with Saddam trying to trade his oil in euros. 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:18 | 1254286 holdbuysell
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Why the junk, I'm not sure. This is an interesting point.

Bin Ladin did force the US to spend a boat load of money in the region, on homeland security, et al.

What other movement has provoked the US to spend so much money that amounts to zero in productivity (war).

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:39 | 1254329 Bent Nail
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Bin Ladin didn't force the US to do anything. He was a contrived enemy, who gave "patriotic" americans a reason to cheer when the US invaded oil rich nations. The added benefit was tossing out the Constitution and curtailing inalienable rights we have taken for granted too long. If people don't understand this by now, there never will be enough links nor facts that will convince you.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:03 | 1254371 NuckingFuts
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I also see no reason to junk.  He did go out a winner and 'they' have been winning.  The wars, the economy, our freedoms are all big losses on our part in this thing (not to even begin to count the massive loss of life on both sides).  What have we won?  A dead man?

Don't get me wrong; if he was killed 7 years ago or last week he is one less POS to deal with.  For the sake of what little freedom and economic future we have left lets hope WE (the people) can start winning.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:41 | 1254564 Flakmeister
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Real Politik is a bitch, eh?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:01 | 1257132 NuckingFuts
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Yep

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 07:29 | 1254875 chindit13
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In 2005 Mullah Omar of Taliban fame was quoted as saying al Qaeda doesn't need to do anything else to the US right now (then), as it will destroy itself from within and its economy will collapse.

Sometimes blind men can see pretty clearly.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:04 | 1254128 UnBearorBull
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PRESIDENT OBAMA: "You know, we don't trot out this stuff as trophies."

 

Tooooooo funny. 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:07 | 1254129 BlackholeDivestment
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This is worth reposting. http://www.oldthinkernews.com/?p=1272

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:08 | 1254131 topcallingtroll
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Wow!

Obamao's sycophants are out making headlines that there was only a 50/50 chance that osama would be there. Oh what a brave man he is, that obamao! What courage! We have a new Decider!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:07 | 1254133 Seasmoke
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he forgot to mention he was able to squeeze in a round of golf on the busy weekend

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:06 | 1254134 Ham Wallet
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We've triumphed over box-cutters an unlocked cockpit doors!!

 

Who's Next?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:34 | 1254207 downwiththebanks
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This = the word of John Ashcroft.

Stupidity.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:09 | 1254136 Waterfallsparkles
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Why does Obama look so much like Osama?  Interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w53TMpk6QNc&feature=related

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:10 | 1254140 penisouraus erecti
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douche bag

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:07 | 1254142 benb
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Obama is a total fraud. I can't even stomach listening to him lie. Bin Laden was dead of kidney failure by 2002. The body was kept frozen until an opportune time. The White House situation room photos with Hillary and the other nerds was staged. Just like Jerry Bruckheimer (Hollywood) advised the Pentagon on the Private Lynch hokum. Listen to what Dr. Steve Pieczenik has to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=related

 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:17 | 1254160 clymer
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Hey Tybo-et-al

Grow a set and do a biography on Steve Pieczenik

 

..or keep mimicking the msm trying to hype this garbage (knowing full well it is failing with your base)

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:45 | 1254222 benb
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What in the world are you talking about? I listened to about 4 hours of Pieczenik's recent interviews on AJ. Did you even listen to the link?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 09:39 | 1255089 i-dog
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I've gotta say that my mind is currently wide open on Pieczenik's so-called revelations. He is just way too supportive of Daddy Bush, General Betrayus and Robert Gates for my credibilty meter (maybe I'm just prejudiced against false-flag warmongers!) and seems to have personal axes to grind against Dubya, Rumsfeld, Slick Willy, Panetta and others (no disagreement with him there!). He also slips and contradicts certain small factoids a number of times. On the other hand, he says he is prepared to go before a grand jury and name names in relation to 9-11 being a false-flag stand-down operation. Interesting interviews, though. Time will tell, but at this point I'm inclined to think he's a limited hangout.

It sounded, to me, like a campaign launch for Betrayus for something (martial law?).

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:34 | 1255902 benb
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I hear you. I too was concerned about his support for Bush the Elder et al as well. I can only guess there’s a big split in the power factions and something nasty is afoot. To hear him point blank cut up little Bush and Obama was encouraging. To hear him state the War on Terror is a hoax. That 9-11 was run by the WH. And that the narcissist Obama better watch out if he thinks he’s going to pull some more of this crap suggests a showdown maybe be coming. Let’s hope so.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:20 | 1254162 earlthepearl
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Only problem with staging of the photo theory is that random staffer in the background,

The cia wouldn't stage something with this low level flunky in it

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:20 | 1254169 palmereldritch
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Those were awesome interviews all week, especially on Thursday when he warned the perps of the dangers of another false flag attack.  Gives you hope.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:37 | 1254211 benb
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Amazing interviews! This is truly a high level guy with a lot of extreme experience and inside knowledge. He is the guy the Tom Clancy character Dr. Jack Ryan is based on.(Clear and Present Danger and Patriot Games)  Among other statements was his disclosure that a high ranking U.S. General told him 9-11 was a false flag initiated by little Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. He says he’s ready to testify to a Federal Grand Jury to get them prosecuted! Things have to be pretty bad for him to stick his neck out like that.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:52 | 1254595 High Plains Drifter
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all you say appears to be true, but why now?  why is he coming out now?  i don't trust him. i think he is some kind of disinfo limited cutout kind of agent of some type. i am sorry friends. but we do not have very many friends anymore.....so we see that this tom clancy guy gets some extraordinary access and this is the subject material he draws on to write his books. the whole thing stinks if you ask me. i am not wasting my time listening to this guy. i heard him on the alex jones show last week. i happened to tune in. i do this time to time, just to see what they are talking about. he just happened to be on the show that day. this guy suddenly is all over the place. and no, lie number 1 is that bush , cheney and/or rumsfeld had anything to do with setting up this attack. they merely are pawns in the whole thing and went along with the plan.  so should we ever spend much time trusting a man who has been a life long employee of the united states government?  not really. he gets his check from the beast. he will not bite the hand that feeds him his retirement. i predict nothing will ever come of any of this information. nothing.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:45 | 1255937 benb
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Maybe. But he did retire out of the army as a colonel at 37 and at this point says he donates his time teaching at the War college etc. Obviously we are not getting the full story but I think this it is very positive that he is speaking out. To hear him threaten that little CIA bred pimp Obama was, might I say, a bit ‘uplifting.’

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:12 | 1254149 Atomizer
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I don't have anything nice to say about Obama Bin Laden. On a positive note, Happy Mother's Day to all ZH member's. Hope your day was enjoyable.

OK.. I lied. Obama, even kids know about the IMF. This was in 2007.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDzlUvIM8A

Lastly Obama, your propaganda scam is backfiring. Keep up your efforts. GTFO coming 2012 is your karma baby.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=74619

 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:15 | 1254152 mynhair
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Who cares?  Only Denninger voted for that puke.

And you can eat Ipads, you morons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:10 | 1254276 Atomizer
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Funny, but true.

Episode 20

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheIPud#p/u/0/XsLu6iPi3pc

http://thebeehiveantiticker.blogspot.com/

Such a shame one can't get ahold of photoguy. Social networking is not my gig. Sometimes, life is a boat filled with ducktape.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:17 | 1254155 booboo
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Obsama Bin Biden 2012

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:20 | 1254161 Printfaster
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Osama Bin Laden

Obama sin laden

What is the difference?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:24 | 1254173 snowball777
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A missed shift key?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:34 | 1254317 Rynak
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More like Obama Debt Laden

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:38 | 1254327 Pants McPants
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BS

(saw something similar on Lew Rockwell's page earlier)

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:18 | 1254163 banana.republic.us
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Pakistan Bitchez!

 

We need to take a more active role!

 

LOL

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:56 | 1254351 tickhound
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sounds bullish for the poppy trade... and the likes of CXW 24.67

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:21 | 1254165 blindman
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so it was nice of mr kroft to refrain from asking
the one glaring question.
" if you are so intent on a joint analysis of materials
collected in the raid that will lead to a greater understanding
of al queda net workings, why did you kill the leader?"
.
this is why i hate the msm. they want to have your cake and eat
it in front of your face and make your neighbors childlike
emotional robots. whoever they are they should be replaced
by real journalists. I'm tired of all these actors pretending
to be in professions that they don't understand.

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