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Full Criminal Complaint And Affidavit In United States Of America vs Jared Lee Loughner
The WaPo shares the full criminal complaint with all 5 counts, as well as the affidavit by FBI special agent Tony Taylor which discloses that according to documents seized from 7741 N. Soledad Avenue in Tucson, Arizona, where Lougner resides, that there was an envelope recovered with "handwriting on the envelope stating "I planned ahead," and "My assassination" and the name "Giffords," along with what appears to be Loughner's signature." There goes the temporary insanity defense.
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i predict 5 pages of comments.
Unlikely. The others generated a lot of comments because it was a weekend, so there wasn't much news. As the news rolls in, this will be bumped off of the front page, with two pages or less in comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6R5__V9uls
Phosgene gas release causing bird and fish deaths?
The source does not strike me as credible (attack by a "shadow government"? Come on).
Phosgene gas is possible, though probably from either natural sources or accidental release (like from old refrigerators). I don't know, as I have little knowledge of environmental toxicology.
Read up on phosgene: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene
The 9 year old girl who died allegedly was born on 9/11/2001. I find this to either be an incredible coincidence, or planned bullshit.
I'm leaning towards the latter, however this plays out.
Nothing about this is normal. It stinks like everything else that's gone down in this doomed nation since that fateful date. Too "convenient".
I am Chumbawamba.
It wasn't a lucky day.
Sad story.
But time to move on.
Yes, I agree, something is very odd about this whole thing, and right on the heels of last week's occurence. Check this out--
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/03/john-p-wheeler-iii-former-special-asst-to-air-force-sec-member-of-council-on-foreign-relations-consultant-to-mitre-corporation-found-dumped-in-landfill/
It stinks alright. But there are a lot of top-end researcher/investigators out there that aren’t paid whores with the main stream propaganda outlets. I think we’ll find out pretty quick on this one. It’s bad enough. But if it’s another gov operation… what a bunch of pukes.
I wonder why you're getting junked…Talking about useful idiots - http://images.politico.com/global/news/110101_mccarthy_guns_ap_605.jpg
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html
but if it must be, why oh why not way farther up the food chain and without the collateral damage (especially the child)?
a post below mentions what a hundred people with claw hammers and resolve could accomplish. apparently the stuff that dreams are made on.
People say that it's best to vote with your feet, well this guy voted with his gun and sadly this seems to be the best and only way to affect political change
"sadly this seems to be the best and only way to affect political change"
I categorically disagree with this statement. It is myopic and cynical to the point of being destructive. Political assassination demonstrates contempt for free and open discourse.
+1
I don't know who junked you people but it wasn't me, I guess someone is trying character assasination on me
tmosley, the private owners of our Federal Reserve Note money supply can easily be considered our Shadow Government. Further, JFK spells it all out very clearly here:
As for the murder of Jack Wheeler, this is absolutely a cover-up by this exact same shadow government. Here is my full opinion on the matter with appropriate links:
"WAS JACK WHEELER MURDERED BY THE C.I.A.?"
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/was-jack-wheeler-murdered-cia-0#comment-8...
Spot on re: Jack Wheeler. Either this was a very ordinary week, or it was a very busy one for the Elites. I am leaning towards BUSY. Mass animal deaths likely indicates weapons systems testing, IMO, of the energy weapon variety.
On top of that we have a new Manchurian candidate, and a high level military consultant murdered (Wheeler).
Move along, nothing to see here!
http://psychonews.site90.net
Signs of the Apocalypse:
Its not that PsychoNews is opposed to looking at the bright side of the economy, its that certain issues must be addressed for real recovery to take place, companies have to be allowed to go bankrupt again (no more Too Big to Fail), mark-to-market accounting has to be brought back (for EVERYONE), US debt has to be defaulted on, manufacturing brought back to North America, (private) central banking outlawed... Until those things happen every uptick in GDP or fantasy unemployment statistics is meaningless. The issues of shadow housing inventory (held off the market by banks), unfunded liabilties, government deficits, currency debasement and structural unemployment continue to lurk.
Wheeler=assassination.
http://psychonews.site90.net
this is on a long list of outrageous crimes coming from the top. Listen to this propaganda:
"At this time the FBI is not assuming the investigation, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, however, they are the federal entity that investigates any crimes committed which could--or does--involve members of the government.
Keep that in mind, as this case could potentially become something that falls under their jurisdictional authority if something pertaining to the government or espionage were to develop with this case."
http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-assists-delaware-police-john-p-wheeler-iii-investigation
so the Federal government investigates the Federal government? So, if i own the private money supply of America, then i own everyone. It becomes quite easy to get a few of my people to head the C.I.A. (George H.W. Bush was one) or the F.B.I. Now my plant can just swoop to any investigation and begin the sabotage.
first they refer to him, no longer as "Jack Wheeler", but rather as they do all 'bad guys' that they wish for you to focus upon. Its classic anchoring techniques designed to reinforce a certain feeling within us about who is 'bad' and who is 'good'. here is a list of the 'good': USA, CIA, FBI, FDA, FCC, DHS, TSA, SEC, etc. seeing a pattern? here is a list of all who are now bad 'madmen', ACTING ALONE, and who are now considered just 'crazy': "John Wilkes Booth", "Lee Harvey Oswald", "John Hinckley, Jr.", "James Earl Ray", and now the lastest 'madman', 'acting alone', 'off his medication', 'dealing with explosives', who 'fell and hit his head and became disoriented', who had 'suspicious messages on his phone'...
...you guessed it:
"John P. Wheeler, III"
Nevermind that he was a former chairman of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, former senior planner for Amtrak (1971-1972), held various positions at the Securities and Exchange Commission (1978-1986), former chief executive and CEO of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, consultant to the Mitre Corporation (2009-death), MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, and a presidential aide to the Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush administrations, as well as other positions in the US military, the US government, and US corporations.
SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY COMPETENT DUDE. VERY TALENTED, TOO, BEING AS HE MOVED FROM THE MILITARY TO THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION, TO OVERSEEING AMTRAK (FEMA Camps?), TO BEING A PRESIDENTIAL AIDE TO FORMER C.I.A. BOSS GEORGE H.W. BUSH AND HIS KID.
this guy was in deep.
Now, "something just went wrong" and "he started acting differently lately", and "these things just happen".
...back in your trance, America. nothing to see here.
That probably was one of the greatest speeches by a President of the United States in the 20th century.
yep, and it earned him a bullet in the head
i agree with the sentiments but, as with obama, more important are the acts.
I cringed when I read this part:
"that is why our press was protected by the FIRST Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution-- not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and sentimental, not to simply 'give the public what it wants'--but to inform"
Given the nature of popular infotainment in today's world, it would seem that somebody was paying attention to his ideas, albeit taking a more pessimistic approach.
you never know, after the thrashing the progs took today they might be looking for a new arena to continue the fight.
anyone who talks left/right on ZH should be banned as a fool
agreed but what thrashing did the progs (or anyone) take today (we're not talking about tv are we, shiver)?
+1
+1 I think the record was beaten yesterday.
mouser98
Hey now Billy, with all the falderol surrounding the whole shooting bugaboo this must have been missed.
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/09/3310523/anatomy-of-browns-budget-plan.html
Anatomy of Brown's budget planThe budget Jerry Brown will propose Monday includes deep program cuts, a June election to extend tax increases and a broad reordering of state and local government to close a deficit estimated at $25 billion to $28 billion, according to sources familiar with the plan. Here are some of the elements:
PROGRAM CUTS
Brown's proposed cuts would be felt throughout state government.
• Education: Provide K-12 schools with Proposition 98 minimum guaranteed funding. If June tax extensions fail, the guarantee would be suspended to allow deeper cuts.
• Higher education: Make deep cuts to both UC and CSU systems, in ways targeted to minimize fee hikes and enrollment reductions.
• State employees: Reduce spending in the six bargaining units that have not reached contract agreements, with savings similar to the 8 percent to 10 percent to which other units agreed.
• State organization: Consolidate some state departments and agencies.
• Governor's Office: Reduce budget by 25 percent ($7 million), including elimination of education secretary, Cabinet secretaries and first lady's staff.
• Parks: Shut state parks with lowest attendance.
• Libraries: Cut state funding for local libraries.
• Medi-Cal: Require patients to provide co-payments for services, limit doctor visits and reduce rates paid to health providers.
• Healthy Families: Increase participant premiums and co-pays, eliminate vision care.
• Welfare: Cut grants, impose stricter time limits on recipients getting grants, eliminate child care for 11- and 12-year-olds.
• SSI-SSP: Cut grants to the federal minimum for low-income elderly, blind and disabled individuals in the program.
• In-home care: Reduce the number of hours In-Home Supportive Services workers could care for elderly and disabled residents, cut domestic services like cleaning and laundry in cases in which caregivers live in the same home as recipients, typically family members.
• Developmental services: Make deep cuts to the system of 21 regional centers that oversee care for the developmentally disabled.
• Mental health: Use voter-approved Proposition 63 money to replace general fund money now spent on mental health.
• Children's programs: Ask voters to amend Proposition 10 to allow the state to use tobacco tax money now reserved for use by "First 5" commissions.
• Foster care: Eliminate transitional housing aid for 18- and 19-year-olds.
• Cal Fire: Reduce staffing on wildfires.
• Courts: Deep unallocated reduction to trial courts.
• Fairs: Cut all state funding for county fairs.
• AIDS: Require higher co-payments for AIDS drugs.
REVENUE
Brown will propose a variety of measures to increase revenue, in some cases directing the money to local governments.
• Taxes: Ask voters in June to extend 2009 increases to sales, vehicle and income taxes, raising $8 billion to $10 billion over 18 months. If approved by voters, the revenue from extensions of the vehicle and sales taxes would flow to local governments to help finance government realignment.
• Dependents: Indefinitely extend the $99-per-dependent tax credit. The credit was lowered from $309 per dependent in 2008.
• Enterprise zones: Eliminate business tax relief in depressed areas that have been designated as enterprise zones, saving the general fund hundreds of millions of dollars.
• Redevelopment: Eliminate hundreds of local redevelopment agencies, eventually redirecting property tax revenue they receive to cities, counties and schools.
• Borrowing: Continue borrowing from special funds and take a portion of Indian gambling revenue to general fund.
• Corporations: Require all multistate businesses to calculate their tax liability solely on their sales in California. Businesses could no longer use an old formula that accounted for property and payroll size.
• Transportation: Use truck weight fees for debt service on state transportation bonds, circumventing Proposition 22's restrictions on taking local transportation dollars.
REALIGNMENT
Brown will propose several plans to shift programs to local governments.
• Juveniles: Eliminate the state Division of Juvenile Justice, instead sending money to local governments to house juvenile offenders.
• Adult prisoners: Low-level, nonviolent, non-sex offenders without serious prior convictions would be housed in county jails. Money would be sent to local governments to increase jail capacity and bolster rehabilitation programs.
• Mandates: Reduce the number of services local governments are required to provide and perhaps give them greater latitude to raise revenue to pay for them.
He has to get that state employee retirement fiasco under control. If they can't cut the excess payments, they should tax 90% of the income over a certain amount.
Gabrielle Giffords
Born June 8, 1970, Tucson, Arizona
Political party Democratic Democratic
Religion Jewish
I would add
Religion Jewish Supremacist
“If you want something done, your best bet is to ask a Jewish woman to do it,” said Giffords “Jewish women — by our tradition and by the way we were raised — have an ability to cut through all the reasons why something should, shouldn’t or can’t be done"
Ideology Zionist
“like my grandmother, I am a lifetime member of Hadassah and now a member of Congregation Chaverim,” she wrote.
"You reap what you sow" "reap hatred and sow hatred"
Does he deserve our tax dollars for his defense?
yes. however considering the trial results for ted and zac i wouldn't get my hopes up if i were jared. publicly defending the poor "guilty" is the price paid so as to defend the poor "innocent" and "don't know" (or else the rich hold all the cards, including the jokers and all those aces up their sleeves, not to mention the card factories).
Collateral Damage, unfortunate.
"Temporary" insanity? This guy is pathologically insane!
He's a sociopath, Q.E.D. And there's no cure for that.
They were lovers, okay. They went on a date, you dig that, a date, like a nice restaurant and some fine music, can you dig that, she went on a date and they had a good time,,..what's the deal here?, lord what to do when the romance is gone.
incendiary and interesting. any sources?
source = gut feeling
perhaps 'temporary' is irrelevant?
Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs...
Blame it on the black star
Blame it on the falling sky
Blame it on the satellite that beams me home . . .
If you don't mind, let me blame it on Palin's fat and crazy ass.
The satellite is working even over snowstorms. That's how I know Palin wears cheap chinese underwears.
LOL! Guess the republican bought trousseau got wore out by now!
With the radical left now blaming the right wingers for this, I don't understand why we don't unite and blame the real source.
The Federal Reserve is responsible for this tragedy because they have debased the currency so much. The Fed gave the shooter the reason to go on his killing spree and wanting a gold standard because a gold standard would help his savings maintain it's value.
Shit happens. Get over it. There is no reason for the country to lose it's collective mind over this and for the control freak government to take more of our freedoms away.
You want to make a new law over this? Abolish the Fed.
now now. killing a three term representative because the fed is debasing the currency is not the kind of act not debasing the currency will avoid. evil will find a way.
subq--
Your quote from radiohead will likely be the most intelligent thing said about this tragedy.
The killing of the 9 yo girl and anyone else not connected to the state was unfortunate.
Giffords knew the risks of working for the mob. Classic case of occupational hazard.
When a small monkey stands up and the big monkey is sleeping on the ground, better shoot the fat monkey anyway. (That's the main flaw in US military training).
Edwards, what the hell happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRXNNqNfQBs
Well put! Sorry about the 9 yr. old. That is a real tragedy, however, what was she doing at a meet your rep. gathering, at a mall? What kinda lame assed parents would take their kid to something like that?! What would the kid've grown up to be anyway? Sad, but we all die.
In addition, I see a lot of missed opportunity. Shopping malls in America, would be a shooting gallery dream! Real life zombies and all. Guilt free fun!
Just kidding Mr. G-man :)
They'll be fighting this for years in court.
On the contrary, any good lawyer would use the written materials from the house to support an insanity plea.
Insanity is the best word to describe a man without silver bullions.
That was Dallas Greenes grandaughter that 9 year old. Local tie here. Was that part necessary?
Thats what I can't stand this is probably the beginning of this shit and they will start mowing down innocent people besides the target. I'm getting ready in overdrive now. Leave the sheeple alone when you go insane.
It's not OK to hurt the target, either.
http://www.wikihow.com/Calm-Down
The point of insanity is that there are no thresholds. The man is a sociopath, and needs to be put away forever.
But, from a legal standpoint, there are thresholds....both the prosecution and the defense will bring in their experts to argue each way, and it will likely be left up to a jury to decide which way that argument goes. The threshold is which argument the jury ultimately buys.
Christina Green was born on September 11th, 2001.
That's very bizarre!
I'm putting the roach down.
Karma's a bitch and Amerika is way out of balance.
I'm sure it wasn't on purpose. Also, aside from children and retards, there really are no innocent people. One is either decent, or shit. If tons of shitty people or worthless eaters get shot up... big fucking loss!
How many people are really good, I ask you? How many really appreciate family and spouse like the treasures they are? How many live by the Golden Rule? How many are adulturers (sp?)? How many live for shiney beads to showboat the the other primitives? Just food for thought. Aside for the real innocents in America, I couldn't give a 1/10th of a rats ass for most of the population. Shoot each other up fucknuts! HA!
With respect to count 3, was the federal judge Roll indeed there engaged in the performance of his official duties? Which duties would those be?
I dont understand how/why the ACTUAL killings aren't the FIRST counts. I understand they're as a result of the attempted murder, sequentially & in terms of intent, BUT WTF?!?!
HOW is attempted murder the first count, when there were SIX successfull murders?!?!?!
Splain please :) Thx
Prosecutors for the state habitually load up on counts (indictments)...the order is irrelevant to them.
It's a game within the system they play with the defense.
It is fortunate for him we live in a republic and not a true plebiscite democracy...if I had my druthers he would have already been taken out back and shot.
That would be democracy...bitchez ;-)
I think we should use the old testement Judaic system. "Eye for an eye." Therefore you are correct Jared being shot would only be appropriate. In that very old system two eye witnesses to a murder are necessary to convict the offender. Very simple in this case and very expedient. I'm so sorry that it won't go this way however. This country is deeply goofed up.
You misunderstood my point I think at some level.
I am quite happy to live in a republic (supposedly) bounded by the rule of law. It's when laws are not uniformly enforced I start having a problem.
When a man with a gun can rob a bank and get life in prison but a man with a briefcase can rob an entire country and walk away I start having a problem with "law" as presently constituted.
Don't get me wrong...I am an Old Testament kinda guy...but man's law should be applied uniformly.
Understood.
My point is that murder in the Laughner case should be easy to prosecute and in my opinion it would be best if justice was swift. I'm an idealist.
I don't have a quick solution to the heist by those with briefcases that you are concerned about, although now that I think about it accumulating (silver & gold) is not a bad start.
"My point is that murder in the Laughner case should be easy to prosecute and in my opinion it would be best if justice was swift."
Agree...completely.
"I'm an idealist."
So am I...but we should leave room for the defense of a life under the ever expanding and contracting mans law...after that...he is sent to be judged again.
Peace.
Same to you....peace.
Best regards.
Gifford is still alive, as are others.
Well, if I may be direct - it's because you are a nice, representatively ignorant American who doesn't know shit from shinola (when's the last time that was available in the shoe store?) about basic - F--ING BASIC - Constitutional and Federalist law. In a way, you, while here bemoaning the end of America due to the ignorance of the Sheeple, presumably - I haven't checked your posts - are, in fact, part of the problem.
The Constitution was trashed because the average Ameridiot was too busy pursuing self to notice that, when you allow 5 bozos in robes to change what a Constitutional provision means, then the Constitutional provisions cease to have any binding effect.
So here's your answer - criminal law is in the customary purview of states. In fact, up until fairly recently, historically, there were very few federal crimes. As the states have lost more and more power (thank you SCOTUS) over the decades, however, more and more Federal CRIMINAL laws have been implemented, thereby giving the Feds more direct control over citizens everywhere.
The charge of murder of an individual unaffiliated with the Feds, which you wonder alound about, is a state crime.
The Feds, however, not content to allow states to handle murder cases, enacted, I presume, a criminal statute under Title 18 that allows the prosecution of an attempt on or a murder of a federal employee acting in their federal capacity. The federal part is needed to pass - ha ha ha - Constitutional muster.
Law 101 brother.
If you ask 100 Americans the same question, by the way, you'd be lucky to get 1 who knew the answer, so you have a nice flock in which to mill.
And yes, I know this was unnecessarily harsh, but maybe take a few minutes to try to figure out the answer before blaring your ignorance to the world.
that was pretty much a lot of unnecessary insulting. its not like this is a lawyer blog. while i appreciate your input you come off as someone needing to make us all aware of the size of your epenis.
I junked him. I wouldn't know how to find all that out. I google "what" exactly after I have that question in mind? There is stuff themosmitsos knows that Frank Ivy does not know and could not google with ease. I hope others are kinder with Frank than he was with themosmitsos when the chips are down. He will depend on the charity of others given his bad attitude.
Google this "If I have to 'Google' basic facts about the law that governs me, does that make me an ignorant sheeple?" Magic 8-ball says, "Signs Indicate Yes."
Once again, you're 400 pounds. So is the OP. You being his weight doesn't make him skinny. Got it?
This is BASIC law. What does it say when you don't even know that murder of a civilian is a state crime, not a federal crime? It says you lack a very basic understanding of the law that governs you.
You don't need to be a lawyer to understand basic legal concepts any more than you need to be a doctor to know that bacteria and viruses are the two main human infectious agents.
Middle name: Poison.
From below: by deconon Sun, 01/09/2011 - 23:26
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As a native of AZ and lifelong resident I'd be happy to answer that question.
Murder charges for the non-federal employees will likely be filed by the State of Arizona because the Feds don't have the death penalty for this type of crime. We do.
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This answer looks like it is relevant. Polite too.again, as was pointed out, basic Federalism gives police power to the Several States. The Feds only have the ability under various doctrines to enforce Federal statutes, and this one pertains solely to federal employees in discharge of federal duties.
Arizona will also file murder charges for the federal employees. There was NO violation by Loughner of federal statute outside of the murder and/or attempted murder of federal employees in discharge of federal duties.
If you don't know, then ask.
personally i liked mouser's concept of the size of his "epenis" (shorthand for macho blog posturing, i'm assuming).
Wow. I'm impressed. You both informed and put yourself up on a pedestal so far above us peasants we can't even see you any more.
Man such a hard worker. Is your hair all messy now? Because you were stroking your own ego so fast and hard you must be able to stick balloons to the ceiling from all the static electricity. I gotta say. I'm really really impressed. I mean I've seen people internalize jupiter the whole law and philosophy thing but you just chowed down on the whole self aggrandizing pig. I don't think it's asshole is still on the stick.
Hephasteus,
The sphincter on the stick ending was hilarious!!
Correct. "It's" asshole is running around loose posting on ZeroHedge under the moniker "Hephasteus."
I love it when the fatties all come running out screaming "meanie" when I yell "lard ass" at a 400 pound man. Suck on your ignornance.
If you don't know the basic division between Federal and State law, and you don't understand the Federal origins of the Constitution, then, instead of attempting poorly worded comebacks on ZH.com, go educate yourself. Start with this. Me pointing out that you're an idiot is not equivalent to bragging, although, from your intellectually precarious position, I could see how you'd view it that way. Pig Bungee.
don't cavil at "it's" (which should have been "its") when you speak of "ignornance" (which the bloody spell check tells you is wrong). and what's with the capitalization of federal and state? are we in the eighteenth century? and it should be "my pointing out" not "me pointing out". how you know the weight of anonymous posters is another matter. it can't be that you're omniscient or you wouldn't have misspelled "ignorant".
"it's" is in quotes because I was quoting the original error. Hah! I prefer "me pointing out." Weight was an analogy.
Are you an English major? Get your head out of your ass.
doesn't matter if you prefer "me," the gerund takes the possessive
Of course it matters! Language isn't static, and the belief that it is is the great failing of English majors everywhere.
I know the rule is to not split (F-ing awesome) the infinitive, but only a self-important English major would say:
I want quickly to go to the store.
Instead of . . .
I want to quickly go to the store.
Just one example of the dozens of ridiculous rules that only English majors think are important.
My point is, don't confuse my use of "me" with me being (f-ing awesome twice) confused by me and my.
Awe I see you have skills in minimizing and margianilizing as well. You're not good at those yet. Needs more pimp, less hand. You went with internet option a: You're fat or internet option b: you're ugly.
You are really selling that intellect thing. It's ok we got harry wanger around here if we need something added he's an accounting student who works in a dildo store. And I don't obey laws any more so I don't care about studying it. A penal code is simply a to do list for me. And if we need anything sciency done we ask those canadians who don't go to crappy american schools.
Oh and you got some pig colon in your teeth there. You can't be the king with pig colon in your teeth. Oh yes you can. You can even throw up on japanese and be the king. I guess there's really no rules to being the king. It's like totally random and arbitrary and not based on your ability to lie and be violent. So if you want to be a big shot. First get yourself some cops and some army dudes and tell everyone the cops and army dudes are there for their protection and then use them to collect taxes while you enforce laws and make sure nobody enforces jack shit on you. Constantly talk about how responsible you are and hope you don't run into a bigger king with a bigger bunch of cops and army dudes and citizens they leech off of. And remember the golden rule. If they stop believing you, kill em.
Not that good.
@frankivy
Your knowledge of the Constitution is outstanding. Bravo. I've always maintained, though, being well versed in one particular field does not necessarily constitute (sorry for the pun) a well developed and educated mind. It simply means you have knowledge of one thing. As a demonstration of your supreme brilliance, could you please prove to us that you're not just a one trick pony by answering these three simple questions? A basic understanding of math, logic and grammar is all that is necessary. If you can't answer all three, just go for any two you wish.
1. If no spinal injury is too trivial to be neglected, then:
2. Three cards are in a hat. One is blue on both sides, one is white on both sides, and one is blue on one side and white on the other. I draw a card from the hat, and drop it on the table. The upward-facing side is blue. What is the probability that the downward-facing side is also blue?3. Which scenario gives you the best chance of survival?
1. if you injure your spine, consult a physician.
2. 50%
3. Options are 1/2^5, 1/6^2,1/6^2,1/13*3/17
or
1/32, 1/36, 1/36, 3/221~1/74
Coins.
1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Correct
You just scored a 33% (which is deep into the F range) on a test that required basic math and logic skills. This leads me to believe that you are, in fact, a one trick pony who knows quite a lot about the Constitution - perhaps you're a lawyer? - but not much about anything else, certainly not math or logic. It appears that your school system has failed you quite significantly, which is hilarious considering your accusations from last night.
Perhaps, next time, you should think twice before telling someone how stupid they are for simply asking a question. And I should also remind you that your local community college probably offers night, weekend and/or online courses, so it's never too late to learn the math and logic skills that you should have learned in high school. Now, I only asked you three questions; God only knows how you would do on a real standardized test that reaches across all subject matters.
moronic
He was correct on #2. I know what you're driving at, but you've got the principle wrong, sorry.
Wrong.
You guys are doing the same thing that everyone initially does. That is, you're erroneously focusing on cards initially, rather than the number of sides. Your initial probability starts with 1/6, not 1/3. Then you must realized that the color is a red herring. Focus on math, not color.
Now, go from there.
I stand corrected. I like this--it IS the Let's Make a Deal doors with a more elegant description.
that has nothing to do with it...the issue is that the probability weighting of the B/B card is doubled in the given scenario
I caught that edit, you fucker.
Get your arguments straight before you approach the jury, barrister.
a fleeting moment slipped through your grasp...
Anything else you want to rethink or edit before you challenge me?
I noticed you adjusted two of your posts.
Disappointing, barrister.
I see no evidence to corroborate your claims. Do you have any?
The Quick Red Fox Jumps Over the Lazy Brown Dog...leave off the S for savings BEYOTCH
I see no evidence that you have math and logic skills. All I see are three! edited and adjusted posts that you frantically made in the span of minutes, before I got a chance to barbecue you. If you're going to step up to the plate and swing, don't knock yourself in the face with your own bat.
As far as my evidence to corroborate my claims...the laws of mathematics. What more do you want? The correct answer is 2 out of 3.
RNR 10 points
Trav -20 points (0 for your incorrect answer, a 10 point deduction for your frantic editing and another 10 point deduction for trying to tell me that I got punked when, in fact, you got punked by yourself)
*LOL*
All I hear is a lot of whining from a slug...some kinda incoherent chirping about edited posts and barbecues for which there is absolutely no evidence.
But now that this topic is off the first page, I can't be expected to respond any further...if/when you can catch me posting before coffee, you'll just have to be quicker on the draw. You must have tasted it
Summary judgment for Trav
#2 is two out of three
there are two white sides remaining in the hat. of the two cards drawn from the hat, one blue side is facing up on the table. there are two blues sides and one white side unaccounted for.
it seems like it would be 50% because you know that the card is either the blue/blue card or the blue/white card, but the fact that it lands blue side up changes the equation, because the blue/blue card will land blue side up 100% of the time while the blue/white card will land blue side up only 50% of the time.
my respects...
Perhaps you and I can start a tutoring fund for Trav777. A few donations, coupled with affordable payment plans at his local community college, and he'll be on the fast track to a new career in no time.
You're right. I was wrong. Good question.
No idea what you're talking about on 2.
If the card on the table has blue up, then there are two possibilities left:
1. The underside is white.
2. The underside is blue.
The white/white card is omitted from the analysis as it is no longer a possible permutation.
That was was so easy I actually didn't have to think about it. And it's easily provable too.
If you have any doubt out there, then do the experiment. Set up three coins/chits/whatever to have BB, BW, WW. Then draw and flip on table. If W is up, throw back and discount that sampling, as it's not material to the question asked. If B is up, flip over. Do 100 times. You'll be somewhere near 50 on Bs vs. Ws.
Regarding the 1st question, I'm not going to write out the obvious analysis, but I'd love to hear which one you believe is correct and why.
EDIT - IN FACT, having thought about it another 10 seconds, the White/White card can be omitted from the analysis entirely, as it can never influence the results, as the question has the necesarry condition "IF blue is up". W/W can never produce a blue up, so throw in out and the question becomes - "if you have a BB card and BW card and you randomly chuck it in the air and it lands B up, what is % that B is down as well?"
Christ, these piddly questions is how you test people for intelligence?
Christ, these piddly questions is how you test people for intelligence?
No, not usually. But since you were such a cocksucker last night, I figured that I'd reattach your feet to Earth.
To be honest, I really have no desire to answer the questions for you anymore. I bagged a bigger elephant: Trav777.
AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Schroedinger's Cat jumped out of the box before you could collapse the wave function.
Yeah, right. As soon as it tasted my poison, it jumped straight into the litter box and fell on its own turds.
Meep meep
Don't look up, there's an anvil coming
PUNKD
*LOL*
that is fucking hilarious
meep meep
Blue comes up 50% of the time.
Of that 50% of the time that blue comes up, only 1 out of 3 times is it the card with the white side down. The other 2 of 3 times blue came up because it was the B/B card.
So (as the mouser noted) the probability of the face-down side being blue is 66.6%.
As to how this all relates to making money: when Monty Haul eliminates a door and gives you a chance to switch your choice, you should ALWAYS SWITCH!
You're right. I was wrong.
As a native of AZ and lifelong resident I'd be happy to answer that question.
Murder charges for the non-federal employees will likely be filed by the State of Arizona because the Feds don't have the death penalty for this type of crime. We do.
Thanks.
don't thank him for erroneous information. His answer is incorrect. Ivy's was correct. Yes, I too am an attorney.
Arizona will file murder charges for the federal employees as well.
And then they'll sit him down and reason with him about how they really don't print infinite money or mind controller and repair the relationship and be friends again. Or they'll just have people fuck him in the ass until he understands who's in charge?
The person you're quoting is ignorant as well. There is no "may" in it. Arizona will pursue murder charges. It's got nothing to do with the death penalty. That person is probably getting too much sun, and the choice to live in the middle of the desert probably says a lot about his/her reasoning skills as well.
http://www.legitgov.org/Associated-Press-identifies-Giffords-shooter
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1316755/pg1
none of this makes the case and the sense that msm/gov is spewing...
The network anchors have all been dispatched to AZ
meanwhile back in '89 in gun free Canada
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/09/world/canada-unnerved-by-slayings-of-1...
and again in 2006 in gun free Canada
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/09/14/2006-09-14_maniac_ki...
We have lots of guns in Canada. I shoot one without a license all the time.
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/az-congresswoman-assassin...
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-suspected-gabrielle-gif...
this is an exact replay of the rfk murder with sirhan sirhan - it is total mk ultra, total cia, total bush crime syndicate....
I smell a rat too. Remember the FBI basically entrapped and jacked up that kid to "bomb" the Oregon Xmas tree lighting. They geared him up and turned him into a bomber who pulled the trigger.
Who says this wasn't an FBI,NSA job? Amping up a dumb kid who is idealistic- rage against the machine type.
And he really left those notes in his room, really? Does anyone buy this?
Lets follow who benefits:
- anti gun lobby
- the above helps regulate arms and moves us towards a euro- fascist system where all the cards are held by the oligarchies
-I bet all of Congress now has to get secretservice details. See above fascist state where the criminal government now has around the clock protection and gives it more leeway to behave badly
-the
-This kid conveniently has a stand for the gold standard, which is a major affront to bank money creation power. Notice when Assange had his knives out for Bank of America, the whole system circles the wagons and got him on some trumped up sex charge. Is this transparent to everyone yet?
Like the 60s and the Kennedys and MLK, look for severe government monkey biz the start
Apropos Gold, here's an interesting angle:
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/
If you don't mind USSR propaganda, well not too different from USSA's I guess.
LMAO
It's a wonderous site, the eutimes.net. They are up against The Enquirer this year for many awards.
Not sure about the MK Ultra angle, although some of the aspects are a little hinky, including the never-to-be-found accomplice / 2nd shooter / John Doe 2. I suspect that this was a deranged dude, who despite being identified by LE as a threat to himself and others, never was committed to psych evaluation.
we're conditioned for the lone wolf psycho with the middle name Lee.....see the movie the shooter? eventhough he was the hero, very subtle programming? or it could all just be a crazy coincidence....
Common, the kid was working for Bin Laden. When I will hear it on TV, I will be totally sure it's true. That's how I learned that Coca-Cola has the best taste. Very simple.
I am not even a conspiracy nut, and that almost makes sense to me
Really? Government monkey biz? Anymore monkey biz by this gov. and we'll be all out of bananas!
Exclusive: Jared Loughner Radically Changed Before Alleged Shooting, Friend Says Longtime Friend of Suspected Gunman: 'He Was a Good Person... I Don't Know What the Hell Happened to Him'http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-suspected-gabrielle-giffords-shooter-school/story?id=12575278
Hmmm...
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alle...
Sorry, didn't mean the story that way ie, peg what he did to an ideology. Was just trying to make the point that he had undergone a change in the past year.
Either due to mental illness, or perhaps some kind of conditioning courtesy of our dark oligarchs.
There are some things people would just rather deny, and the ability to brainwash/mind control individuals and turn them into assassins is one of those things. That the Elite are quite literally intergenerational psychos is another.
PsychoNews: Exposing the Oligarchy, one Psycho at a time.
http://psychonews.site90.net
the complaint hardly even mentions the sheeples, they don't count anyway. (sarcasm)
your comment spurs me to write what i have been thinking through this whole thing... what if the MSM reported every single death of every child every day just in this country? maybe we would start to get some real "change"
Listener?
LOL ctiger :)
Change need to be made.
Regulation is the key. Monkeys know, search and need it.
(Stupid monkeys got control addiction).
Easy change to US constitution, that would stipulate mandatory bulletproof bra for congresswoman.
(God turned on the loonie side after the 9Y girl).
morbid
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/01/network-anchors-head...
We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
Running bet
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry
Don Henley - Dirty Laundry (1982)
And the beat goes on.
Is anyone really surprised this has not happened yet, or that it could escalate? The majority of sheeple are not critical thinkers, they are reactionary. And reactionaries well, react.
Just wondering what bills are quietly passing while the world focuses on AZ.
I just got an email from something called CREDO Action asking to sign a petition against Sarah Palin essentially wanting her to stop the killing of politicians with her rhetoric or some nonsense like that. Unbelievable. Next they will send one for Jodie Foster blaming her for Lennon's murder. This is the kind of nonsense that makes America not the greatest place to live as we continue to circle the bowl on our way down the shitter. A tragedy being politicized. Shameful.
Every political and sociological hack in the US will jump on this to try to use it to their advantage. Everyone seems to do this. Even the hospital where this lady is laying in critical condition spent 10 minutes at the beginning of their press conference today thanking their own staff, and touting the capabilities of their hospital. This country is consumed by marketing bullshit.
Disgusting.
i think this is an appropriate addendum to your comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo
Agreed, and unfortunate that some here are so ignorant to implicate Palin in anyway. Down right destructive behavior.
"This country is consumed by marketing bullshit."
And Ms Palin has two books, a TLC show, a Fox News job, and what else in the marketing world? Besides the fact that she resigned from her Governor position without ever serving a full term to make money, she is just perfect.
I guess she is the exception and not at all like Wall Street bankers. I've been schooled. Thanks for teaching me how she should never be questioned for her vitriolic speeches and refudiation of the English language.
As a Colombian woman, I need educating. Thank you all again.
After watching the USSA from outside for the past 40 years, it never ceases to amaze that so many of the staged terror events and their fascist leaders just go from bad, to worse, to horrible.
The NWO/Nazi political marketeers are grooming her, non stop, for the past two years.
Why?... She is a brain trust compared to the son of Satan, GWBush.
Sarah Palin will be the next USSA president in 2012.