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Sat, 06/25/2011 - 21:42 | 1401940 spanish inquisition
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Cool. So I will be plugging my alloy wrapped Thorium reactor powered car and delivering electricity to the grid when I am not driving it.

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 23:06 | 1402098 Oh regional Indian
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Spanish, that is hopefully a pipe dream, never to see light of day.

The future of not of just energy, but most future endeavour lies not in high technology, but in the homeopathic application of high technology.

It also means the end of any "explosive" or "excessively hot" systems.

The answers on how to turn this existing paradigm on it's head are so simple, we would die laughing at the sheer stupidity of modern engineering/science and die crying at it's sheer cruelty.

Nuts. I go to the "best" vulture capitalists, India and US and Japanese....have them look first amazed, then afraid and then deathly quiet.

When real change wafts through.......hmmmmmmm...... we beg for change, beg for betterment of life/things.... but when the changemaker threatens to dis-mantle your existing world....in goes the head into the sand.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/a-big-part-of-what-this-here-place-is-about/

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 02:08 | 1402446 Prometheus418
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ORI, you seem ok, but I just read through the bulk of your blog, and I'm not sold on this.

There are a lot of claims in the world, and it's always possible that some of them are valid, but this sort of grandstanding without a decent lead often turns out to be a case where the inventor thinks they have a paradigm-shifter, but really just has a neat toy.

If this is truly a world-changing design, venture capital may not be the correct first step.  Capital is skittish, and tends not to have the background needed assess whether or not it can break scientific frontiers.  While I shudder a little to say it, you may be better off submitting the concept, if not the applications, to a University or two for peer review.  Standard disclaimer comes in to play here, of course- get a lawyer to cover your rear before revealing anything.

If you like, I am a mechanical engineer who plays with bleeding-edge medical devices and aerospace equipment all day.  I would be willing to look it over privately, and assist with the design and specs of the actual final products.  The cost would be a right to use, but not patent, the technology for the protection of my self and my family.  If it's a true ground-breaker, I'm unlikely to be able to help with the math and other considerations, but I am pretty sharp with electronic and physical prototyping, and have the tools and means to get the gears turning.  A working model on some of those desks might go a long way towards achieving your goals.

On the other hand, if it's not something that can be made to work, I'd be willing to trade for a set of prints and a cad model of a stirling engine I'm working on.  That's a known quantity, and the prints make it a hobby project for a determined person.

If you're interested in discussing further, you can reach me directly by adding @gmail.com to my handle here.

 

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:01 | 1402711 Oh regional Indian
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Prometheus, thanks for taking the time. Your scepticism is absolutely understandable.

Will connect via e-mail shortly.

ORI

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 07:44 | 1402600 falak pema
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Ori, I wish you well. Concerning your concept of NETI, there is a similar one in golf : NUNI.

It means, never up never in. Just saying....But then you are waiting for critical mass...so good luck!

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:00 | 1402716 Oh regional Indian
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NUNI, is that french? Never up never in....so it leaves you near enough and below the hole.

I like it. :-) And yes, critical mass, much needed for what I'm doing. And person by person, it's starting to happen!

If you are ever in India, be sure to bring your clubs, we'll swing!

ORI

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 09:58 | 1402709 Winston Smith 2009
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"It also means the end of any "explosive" or "excessively hot" systems."

The laws of thermodynamics strongly disagree.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:08 | 1402720 Oh regional Indian
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Winston, nature works perfectly well without excessive heat or explosion. Does it not?

Look at the expressed world.

Nature multplies it's force if you will, through the harnessing of resonance, bio electric/magnetic etc.

I suggest a quick internet search for Viktor Schauberger. 

ORI

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:17 | 1402895 Hooter Shaker
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No, it does not....."excessive heat and explosion" is a vital part of nature.  Look no farther than our sun for proof.

I didn't junk you...

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:18 | 1402902 Diogenes
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I see. You have a whole series of inventions that will revolutionise our use of energy, allow cars to get 300 MPG and cure all the ills of the world. But the big interests are only interested in buying up and suppressing them. So you can't tell us what they are, only that you have them and may give them up with the right coaxing.

Sounds like the same old bullshit to me. And no, I am not interested in investing in your free energy device or cancer cure.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 13:00 | 1403132 Oh regional Indian
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I do not recall asking anyone here for anything.

And you and your ilk just proved what I said above. Keep your head in the sand. At least you won't know when your ass gets chewed off.

ORI

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 13:24 | 1403162 Urban Redneck
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There is already a car that gets 300MPG, it's no secret, it's been on displays at auto shows, no one is supressing it.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 15:44 | 1403448 Oh regional Indian
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Really? I'm sure it's a "Concept", can barely carry a load OR costs $300,000, right?

I'm talking about something that costs half a conventional automobile and is everything a modern automobile pretends to be.

 

The financial folks need to understand, the conspiracy they so willingly accept in teh world of high finance, it's as bad or worse in the rest of the world. Product development, innovation, invention suppression, murder....on and on.

ORI

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 18:07 | 1403675 Urban Redneck
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VW X-1, priced on par with a GM Volt, hitting showrooms in Europe late this year/early next.

It is the evolution of the insane diesel-electric hybrid concept car they launched about 10 yrs ago.  It's only a 2-seat plus trunk, but Volvo has a five-seat showing up six months later that will get 150mpg.  The VW is more a future mobile that makes Apple look like an amateur design shop, whereas Volvo has a more conventional design. 

Pricing still isn't competitive but governments aren't pushing efficiency to drive economies of scale.  My point was merely that there isn't a conspiracy of big oil to bury efficient technology, but big government is doing its damnedest to make sure that energy efficiency isn't adopted at the expense of UAW coffers, regardless of the financial cost to US taxpayers or blood cost to US soldiers. 

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 18:57 | 1403779 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks for the information and the clarification UR.

THere is huge subsidy built into all those products. 

There is another way and if I have my way, it's coming you way.

Soonish.

ORI

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 19:02 | 1403718 i-dog
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The suppression is very real, ORI. Two personal examples:

I'm a director of a pharmaceutical company which holds patents over a cheap and natural cure/remedy for a wide range of cancers, viruses and bacteria. The only sizable investment that the inventor, an internationally recognised and decorated biochemist, was previously able to obtain was from a multinational health foods company that bought and deliberately buried it -- because it threatened their existing [unhealthy] products! The patent holder had to take legal action over many years to regain control of the patent and the right to sell the cures to the public again. On top of that, our products cannot be sold as 'cures' unless we spend millions of dollars on 'licensing fees' to each potential market's health authorities (hundreds of thousands of dollars for each claimed cure in each market). Further, as of the beginning of this year, the 'Codex Alimentarius' is now being used by the WHO to effectively ban all natural extracts (and even natural foods) by all members of the WTO. Big pharma has their monopoly locked in by international 'law'!

I'm also a director of a multinational chemical company, with proprietary formulae, that has been in operation worldwide for over 50 years. Recently, the owner (son of the founder) of a major potential user demanded to know the actual formulae or he would ban purchase of our products by his company (even though all his engineers and specialists want to use them)! The scumbag is at the very top of the Neocon faction of the NWO and is creaming billions from the US taxpayer each year ... now he also wants to 'own' anything else his company might use in quantity!

Governments protect monopolies ... and monopolies can only be gained through government protection.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 19:05 | 1403795 Oh regional Indian
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Crazy tales i-dog. If I tell the stories of my amazing first, second and third meetings with folks with pockets deeper than the marina trench, only to have them freak out with cognitive dissonance days/weeks later.

There is a suppresive, anti-competitive vein central to capitalism, even in it's most exalted, free market, Austrian form. It's like certain areas are being declared virtual dead zones. Even investors whose eyes bulge out at being presented with physical proof of concept cannot deal.

This system si crumbling under it's own weight and good riddance.

I feel your frustration.

ORI

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 02:20 | 1404777 i-dog
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"There is a suppresive, anti-competitive vein central to capitalism"

I strongly disagree with this statement, in principle, ORI (you can tell that I'm a dyed in the wool capitalist!) ... but it certainly applies to today's bastard version of crony capitalism and, in hindsight, I have seen this change come about only within the last 10 years or so.

For decades, I have been dealing with governments and at board level within dozens of the world's very largest companies, and socialised with the families of oligarchs and dictators. It has really only been within the last few years that I have come across this anti-competitive and ravenously acquisitive streak on their part. Previously, I found them to be generous and co-operative in so many ways.

(BTW, the second situation I described in the previous post occured just a few weeks ago and, knowing what I now know about the end-game of the NWO, it didn't surprise or frustrate me in the least ... it just confirmed to me that the nouveau riche among them are indeed on a last desperate dash to grab just one more armful of treasure before the gate slams shut on the rest of us.)

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 06:24 | 1404881 Oh regional Indian
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Interesting i-dog. And of course I meant today's bastardized version. Which is true for pretty much everything.

I came into my own, as an innovator in 2001. Wrote a patent (was in the silicon valley then) that underlies 50%-60% of underlying internet commerce.

It disappeared from the USPTO (after my checque for $408 was cashed)..... disappeared. I leanrt a huge lesson with that one. 

And yes, the signs are definitely more in the open now of desperation all around.

 

ORI

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:03 | 1402713 Winston Smith 2009
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"Cool. So I will be plugging my alloy wrapped Thorium reactor powered car and delivering electricity to the grid when I am not driving it."

No, the incredibly cheap and safe electrical power from abundant and cheap thorium would make synthetic liquid fuels economical. That's what you could use to fill up your tank until battery technology makes internal combustion backup for long range drives unnecessary. Of course those liquid fuels could also end up in a fuel cell car, too.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 01:53 | 1402418 carbonmutant
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I certainly applaud the direction of the research but the thermodynamic efficiency is limited by the temperature difference. The amount of electricity generated depends on how much the magnetism changes.

If they could heat and cool 50 or 60 times a second they might have something.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:01 | 1402679 Widowmaker
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Anyone recommending complexity in regards to energy is on the bus to nowhere.

Tell me about thermodynamic efficiency of sunlight to prove my point.

Face it, fraud markets and artificial support for legacy sources is the reason energy is in crisis.  In other words, manufactured crisis is nothing more than energy-racketeering, politically fallable.

Energy is abundant and present everywhere, even whenever you take a shit.  I don't need fraud magicians fag street to tell me about energy "problems."  It's perverted finance supporting the problems, not solutions.  

Absent greed, energy solutions are literally EVERYWHERE!  

The best thing that could happen is free energy killing modern financial slavery as it is known.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 16:28 | 1403531 Prometheus418
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An example of how quickly things can be heated and cooled using purely mechanical methods:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF15NA4vR2w

(Not my video, just the first one I found.)

The drive shaft facing the camera does the work, while the far shaft pushes the displacement cylinder into the hot area.  Each cycle represents the total amount of gas in the system heating up (push stroke) and cooling down (pull stroke.)

This is old tech, and can be done with copper and/or aluminum.  There are newer alloys and metallic foams that can make this even more efficient.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 07:01 | 1402572 Gully Foyle
Sun, 06/26/2011 - 07:38 | 1402593 duncecap rack
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You ever read any Alfred Bester Mr. Foyle?

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:17 | 1402896 Gully Foyle
Sun, 06/26/2011 - 09:21 | 1402669 Long-John-Silver
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What about cold fusion? Wait, what?

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 20:28 | 1401802 mynhair
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Very nice, but beyond the comprehension level of Libs.

 

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 20:26 | 1401808 Ahmeexnal
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They can't even understand the fine art of yomomma jokes.

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 20:32 | 1401812 mynhair
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Yes, anything multi-sylabic confuses them.

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 21:06 | 1401885 Pure Evil
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Can they appreciate yobamma jokes?

 

Now that's Ni45Co5Mn40Sn10 multiferroic!

 

Cha, cha, cha!

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 20:31 | 1401811 imapopulistnow
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You state the obvious....

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 20:46 | 1401843 shano
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To the contrary......Libs have been working on this very problem for at least 40 years now.  Nice you all are catching up for once.  

 

We have been hoping you would 'evolve'.  

 

You left Industrial Hemp off this list.  It is the best fuel for ethanol production, does not need fossil fuel fertilizers or pesticides, and can grow with no irrigation in most parts of the nation.  Legalizing hemp would create totally new industries in America, improve exsisting ones (papaper and fabric) and will be the best fuel for both cars and jets.

You left hydrogen off this list, too...

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 21:04 | 1401886 knukles
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Like uhhhhh 'whoooz got dah papapers man?

He left burning books, witches, heretics and  Korans, not to mention be-headings, stoneings, beatings, overdosing, vivisection, transplants, chemtrails, nanobots, general insurrection, slavery, theft, civil disobedience, rape, war and associated other uninsurable acts of God, tsunamis, volcanoes, HAARP waves, forced entries, tarring and feathering, lynchings, electrocution, immersion in acid, drowning, smothering, choking, strangulation, prayer, (yes, the infinite power of prayer) forth and twelfth step work, common ordinary anger, affronts, assault and battery, drunkenness, speeding, jaywalking, kidnapping, murder, voodoo, curses, condemnation, crucifixion, hangings, excommunication, burning trash and newspapers, pillaging and arson off the fucking list, too.

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 21:56 | 1401958 gwar5
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Libs are making the planet dirtier. Libs are officially counterproductive to a clean planet and the Chinese are laughing. 

50 years of draconian US regulations has worked so well they've forced oil production offshore to filthy places like the Niger Delta, China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela and Brazil, forcing the world to obtain dirty, more expensive oil, that is also more prone to terrorist attacks and war.

Laugher: we can't even build a taxpayer subsidized solar array installation -- an environmental study shut one down from being built because enviros complained there might be an endangered desert toad in the way.

If Libs were serious, they need go to where there are real problems. They need to spend the next 50 years in China shutting them down if they want to save the planet. And PETA can do a lot more good by checking out the food markets in China where monkeys, dogs and cats are still on the menu, than by hassling US thoroughbred horse racing.

BP Oil spill? Obama received more money from BP than any other person in exchange for environmental short cuts and look what happened. BP also recieved quid pro quo Libya oil rights in exchange for Obama/Brown turning loose that Libyan terrorist, because they care so much about the environment, dontcha know. 

 

 

 

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 23:28 | 1402149 collinar
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Re: "we can't even build a taxpayer subsidized solar array installation -- an environmental study shut one down from being built because enviros complained there might be an endangered desert toad in the way."  

Hey, I talked to that toad. He said he would love to have the shade that PV array would provide. He said the enviro nut jobs  should get out of the way.

 

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 00:33 | 1402296 blunderdog
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I sense a contradiction.  You say "libs" are making the planet dirtier, yet I think you also imply these "libs" aren't in control of conditions in China.  Which is a shithole.

What train of logic explains how your assertion describes our obvious reality?

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:20 | 1402909 Zardinuk
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I think when you let a liberal answer this question, "how do we make the planet greener", you get worse than China. The liberals have found out that you don't actually need to make energy cheaper and more affordable, you just have to shut down the consumer, force them to live in straw bail houses with composting toilets and stuff like that, force them to pay double or triple for their dirty energy. At least China isn't trying to save the world from humans.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:42 | 1402954 Urban Redneck
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The ideology is irrelevant. 

One doesn't need to be "in control of conditions in China" to be responsible for contributing the problems there. 

Anything who thinks that the world is "greener" when the industrial pollution and good jobs are simply swept under the rug and exported because of US government regulation doesn't understand that that world is one sphere with a continuous surface.

Making lightbulbs overseas out of toxic chemicals which eventually end up in US landfills, all to save energy consumption in the interim is lunacy and not environmentally friendly.

As bad as Cash for Clunkers was, the one redeeming feature of the program was that for the first timethe theoretically "more polluting" engines were scuttled.  Normally, regardless of whether an engine is used for an automobile or a diesel generator, an engine replaced in the first world will find its way to the the third world, so the net change in global pollution by upgrading to a more efficient engine is an increase in global pollution.

 

 

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:33 | 1403087 blunderdog
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I guess those are game attempts, guys, but they really don't help.  (I didn't expect much from gwar5, either.)

Best approach seems to be to replace the word "libs" with "bogeymen."  Then it makes sense.  On a kindergarten level.

Living in straw-bale houses and using composting toilets actually *would* reduce the amount of pollution which tends to destroy ecosystems.  It's a terrible approach, but the reason isn't because it causes more pollution.

I see no evidence that it was "liberals" who outsourced the manufacture of dangerous products to China--at least not without using a really historical meaning of the word "liberal" and going back to the foundations of "liberal economic policy" promoted during the 18th century and by our current businessmen.  Keeping part of the planet clean while someone else trashes another part doesn't affect all life on Earth, but at least it gives you a clean spot to enjoy.  As an analogy--maybe I can't prevent the neighbors from cooking meth in their basement, and maybe I even buy the stuff from them, but I'm not going blind from the fumes.  How much power do I have to prevent them from doing it at all?  (Agreed that this doesn't seem like it really falls into any liberal/conservative alignment.)

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 13:17 | 1403160 gwar5
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"Jane.... you ignorant slut!"  -- Dan Akroyd, SNL

Liberals have forced outsourcing of jobs from America with the highest tax rate in the world, the most stifling regulations, labor laws, litiginous culture and tort laws, and the enviro-nazi's making it impossible to get any development done at a reasonable cost. Those are all your ignorant, failed liberal ideas.

Businesses need to be rewarded for staying, not punished by liberals for leaving. Because it works and that's how other countries are doing it.

Now the EPA is going to punish all businesses and individuals and selectively hand out fines for not following their CO2 edicts. These are all socialist changes and mission creep coming from your corrupt central planners like  George Soros who are getting rich burying the West. 

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 17:27 | 1403619 blunderdog
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You're just an idiot, gwar5.  You don't even have the slightest grasp of the facts.  This is why you and your friends are laughingstocks--it's not only that you harbor an irrational hatred for a word you couldn't even define, it's that you couldn't dredge up a single point to bear with access to the entire Internet at your fingertips.

Liberals have forced outsourcing of jobs from America with the highest tax rate in the world

This is false.  Not true.  Which "liberals" are you blaming for our tax rates?  The Eisenhower administration?

the most stifling regulations, labor laws,

Also both false, you can check out most of Europe for better examples.

litiginous culture and tort laws

This is a cultural problem, not defined by the liberal/conservative divide.

The idea of rewarding businesses for keeping jobs here is a strange one.  You mean government should dole out favors for companies that pay high labor costs?  Take our tax money and give it to, say, Ford?  Mmm.  Why not just use tariffs instead?

Now the EPA is going to punish all businesses and individuals and selectively hand out fines for not following their CO2 edicts. These are all socialist changes and mission creep coming from your corrupt central planners like  George Soros who are getting rich burying the West.

George Soros runs the EPA?   He controls our legislature?

Batshit crazy, man.  Just batshit.  Harg blar.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 13:45 | 1403201 gwar5
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There you are b-dog, for the last time, please don't make me come back here and beat you again on the nose with a rolled up newpaper....

 

Contradiction my ass. The only contradickshuns are libs like you and Tony Wiener.

Western libs have shown themselves to be total flakes, fakes and cowards. Everyone of you ignores the real pollution and real human and animal rights abuses.  Since when did "lack of control" ever stop any of your pukey orgs from doing a flotilla that got other people killed?

There is plenty they could try to do to protest and engage in a crack down on those evil "planet killers"  like China and Venezuela, if you really believed any of it. But you don't because you're all fake, and all of it is merely a shakedown of Western economies for money and political power. If that's not true, why aren't there boatloads of international lawyers headed to Beijing to seeking enviro-justice? 

No, you're all too busy spending your time and money sanctimoniously preaching and bullying Western economies into oblivian while the Niger Delta water is literally on fire and burning. You really could care less about real pollution. The mindless enviro-socialists are only helping places like China pollute by shutting down Western demand and letting China benefit and expand their fossil fuel usage with the cheaper prices.

Al Gore, WWF, Sierra Club and all the rest of the Soros' funded socialista cabal are all liars and hypocrites acting as secret Santas for places like Brazil and China. There is no "Bat Boat" harrassing Chinese fishing fleets, there are no demonstrations of people painted in fake blood to protest Chinese policy towards Tibet, there is no marxist pink lady flotilla against China for cracking down on 30 million Chinese muslims, there are no eco-nazis vadalizing shipments of gas and coal to/from China.

No, the liberal nutjobs are all here burning down ski lodges, creating a dust bowl by shutting off the water in central California, stopping solar arrays from being built in the Southwestern desert, and stopping oil drilling in the Gulf while paying Brazil to do even deeper drilling there.  

If liberals really believe that the world is going to end from global warming, how come they don't really act like it? Your behavior is a total contradiction to what you say you really believe.

True believers would at least be protesting Gore's jet. You need to renounce the hypocrites and switch sides if you really want to save the planet.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 13:10 | 1403146 gwar5
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Contradiction my ass. The only contradickshuns are libs like you and Tony Weiner.

Western socialists have shown themselves to be total flakes, fakes and cowards. Everyone of them ignores the real pollution and real human and animal rights abuses.

There is plenty they could try to do to China to protest and engage their liberal hack politicians to crack down on the evil "planet killers"  like China and Venezuela. But it's nothing but silence. Where's all the international lawyers for enviro-justice? 

Instead, libs spend all their time and money trying preaching sanctimoniously bullying Western economies into oblivian while the Niger Delta water is literally on fire and burning. REally, they could really care less! The mindless enviro-socialists are only helping places like China pollute by shutting down Western demand and letting China benefit and expand their fossil fuel usage with the cheaper prices.

Al Gore, WWF, Sierra Club and all the rest of the Soros' funded socialista cabal are all liars and hypocrites acting as the secret Santas for places like Brazil and China. There is no "Bat Boat" harrassing Chinese fishing fleets, there are no demonstrations of people painted in fake blood to protest Chinese policy towards Tibet, there is no marxist pink lady flotilla against China for cracking down on 30 million Chinese muslims, there are no eco-nazis vadalizing shipments of gas and coal to/from China.

But the liberal nutjobs are burning down ski lodges in the USA, creating a dust bowl by shutting off the water in central California, stopping solar arrays from being built in the Southwestern desert, and stopping oil drilling in the Gulf while paying Brazil to do even deeper drilling there.  

If liberals really believe that the world is going to end from global warming how come they don't act like it? Their behavior is a total contradiction to what they say they really believe.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 15:42 | 1403452 granolageek
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Dear asshole,

I own a farm in New Hampshire. My growing season is a month longer since I bught the place 20 years ago.

 

I don't think the world is going to end, I think I'll make a lot more money.

My neighbors and I are taking global warming to the bank. Money talks, religion walks.

 

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 17:28 | 1403623 blunderdog
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I'm not much of a liberal, and you're a crazy blowhard.  Heh.  But if it makes you feel better to pigeonhole me with your preferred bogeymen, feel free.

Liberals gonna get ya, boyee!  Go hide in the bunker!

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 22:32 | 1402024 billwilson
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You obviously meant conservatives. Liberals have been focused on this since the 70's.

Sun, 06/26/2011 - 01:45 | 1402410 BorisTheBlade
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Habit of bringing political divide i.e. liberals vs conservatives into otherwise perfectly neutral and technical topics is really funny.

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