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Futures Surge On Rumor Of Highly Impossible Hugo Chavez-Mediated Peace Plan

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The main story overnight, which has cut gains in precious metals and oil, and set futures surging is a bizarre rumor that Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez has proposed a Libyan peace plan which is being considered by the Arab League. "Oil prices were lower on Thursday as speculation a peace deal may be brokered for Libya prompted some investors to cash in gains, but the market remained elevated on concerns over ongoing unrest in the region. A report the Arab League was considering a peace plan for Libya proposed by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez led some players who had bet on rising prices to close their positions overnight." In terms of credibility and actual practicality, this story has about the same weight as the false rumor spread last week that Gaddafi was shot. But the desperate market will take any myth that sends it surging and run with it. "As for the proposed peace plan, Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa told Reuters, "We have been informed of President Chavez's plan, but it is still under consideration." Analysts were sceptical the plan would lead to peace. "It is doubtful that the protesters in Libya will agree to enter negotiations with Gaddafi as the plan of Venezuelan President Chavez suggests," Commerzbank said in a note." So while a US aircraft carrier is happily swimming toward Libya (fact), stocks once again bury their head in the sand on the smallest amount of misinformation with the hope that central planning has once again regained control.

Reuters breaks down the second round of the "Chavez is shot" rumor:

The Arab League head Amr Moussa said on the Thursday the group would consider a proposal by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to negotiate a peace settlement for Libya's intensifying conflict.

Energy analysts consulted by Reuters said they saw little chance that any Chavez-backed plan would succeed.

 "I don't think that another relatively extreme leader who is an ally to Gaddafi has a chance to be accepted as a peace-broker. It's very unlikely to work."

"It has become likely that Libyan fighting will affect, and potentially destroy, oil infrastructure serving the country's largest, central basin, which is right on the fault line between Gaddafi loyalists and rebels."

"The violence and bomb strikes could hit export terminals, and might extend to upstream infrastructure and pipelines. I think that the risk of Libyan oil exports remaining affected for a long period are already being priced into oil."

OLIVIER JAKOB, Swiss-based research firm Petromatrix:

"Prices have weakened on the news, or the rumor, that Gaddafi could accept a proposal made by Chavez for mediation. Chavez' credibility does not fly very high; the only value of such a proposal is if it offers some honorable way out for the Gaddafi clan. The only value is if it offers a face-saving way out to exile."

CHRISTOPHE BARRET, analyst, Credit Agricole CIB, London:

"Whatever comes of it, the plan looks very vague and I don't think it will be seriously considered. An earlier press report indicated the Arab League 'accepted' the plan, but we now see that isn't the case."

"The possibility of very lengthy conflict in Libya has increased. What is most worrisome today is how close to the country's oil installations the violence has come. Exports from Libya could be wiped out."

CARSTEN FRITSCH, Analyst at Commerzbank in Frankfurt:

"There is probably no chance that rebels would be willing to sit down at a negotiating table with Gaddafi now. It's highly unlikely a Chavez peace proposal could work."

"Government forces are attacking the oil city of Brega, and this city is at the center of the conflict. According to state oil company NOC, Libya's oil infrastructure hasn't been damaged yet. But the risk of damage is increasing, and that could make it harder for Libya to resume oil supplies any time soon."

TIM RIDDELL, head of technical analysis at ANZ in Singapore:

"If it's coming out of Chavez, it might not have a great degree of substance. I don't think it has a lot of credence, but it just looks like it's causing some unwinding of the most recent speculative positions. The market was long oil and long gold."


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Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:17 | 1014424 eigenvalue
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Chavez himself is a clown and dictator, who may be toppled soon by his own fellow countrymen.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:54 | 1014483 Twindrives
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Hugo Chavez is going to have to rein in the illustrious Nobel Peace prize winning Barack Obama's naked aggression.

All the world is a stage....... and it's leaders' full of hypocrisy.  

Go ahead Hugo, tell Lyin' POS Barry how the cow eats the cabbage. 



Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:17 | 1014425 Cdad
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And the credibility of these markets, resting on the backs of the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street, falls face down at the corner of Wall and Broad...again.

It is becoming quite clear to me that when these markets head down again, it will be for good.  No one actually alive and thinking now could ever have faith in again in this pachinko market.  Today's fraud rumor/excuse/reason to move the ES has to be the worse one I have ever heard of.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:21 | 1014427 HelluvaEngineer
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Agreed.  Even my family is catching on, and all they do is regurgitate the nightly news..  One of them just converted a sizable 401k to cash.  Unfortunately, my recommendations regarding precious metals have fallen on deaf ears.  That's just an "end of the world" play, apparently.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:21 | 1014428 e_u_r_o
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so zerohedge would rather have lower stock prices than lower oil prices?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:24 | 1014431 eigenvalue
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I want lower oil prices but the law of supply and demand can never be fought against

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:29 | 1014438 Cdad
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Seriously, if we applied the laws of supply and demand to oil, the price per barrel would be cut in half.  So I'm not really sure what you are asking for here.  The law of supply and demand per oil has been suspended.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:32 | 1014442 eigenvalue
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I think the fundamentals of crude oil are rather stong. Peak oil is not a hypothesis.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:38 | 1014449 Cdad
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I wasn't talking about what you think.  I was referring to the slack in demand for oil and the massive supply on hand.  Supply/demand are economic laws.  Peak Oil is an idea planted by environmentalists, criminal syndicate Wall Street options junkies, and oil companies.


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:40 | 1014458 eigenvalue
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Don't worry about the demand. Just go and visit China. You will see a gigantic demand for oil. China is a bubble but its demand for oil is real.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:47 | 1014469 Cdad
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The US is the world's largest consumer of oil.  Our consumption is falling along with our economy.  That China is picking up some slack does not prove your point.  In the meantime, current oil discoveries in the US and Canada are MASSIVE. 

If you want to be gullible on this whole Peak Oil notion, be my guest.  Oil will fall right along with the market...on the day that the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street finally accepts that their plan to re inflate the equity bubble with banana republic Bernanke dollars has failed.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:59 | 1014493 eigenvalue
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Well, I think you are a follower of Engdahl, who thinks peak oil is a myth. But I have some reservations.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:02 | 1014499 razorthin
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What is it about the concept of finite supply that you can't wrap your head around?  We can't fiat oil to my knowledge.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:10 | 1014519 Cdad
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All resources are finite.  However, your thinking is too simplistic.  As an example, what about efficiency?  How about disruptive technologies?  These things extend the lifespan of finite commodities for X years. 

How about economic depressions and resulting lowered consumption?  How about the Bachan?   

Of course, in the meantime, Wall Street constantly front runs broad and stupid concepts like this as a way of justifying their options habits.

Was it not the case that just two years ago...the same theory was posited, oil went to $147...and then collapsed to $35?  The very same thing is about to happen again...but by all means, scream Peak Oil from the top of your lungs all you like.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:24 | 1014543 Flakmeister
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 You are going to lecture us about the fundamentals of oil and you can't even spell Bakken? The Bakken is wonderful field, its been known about for years and they finally figured out how to get oil out of it.  In a few more years they may ramp it up to 2/3 of the flow that once came out of Prudhoe Bay.

Here is a chart of US oil production, read it and weep.

In here is a chart of global discoveries and production (2002)


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:59 | 1014621 Cdad
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Oh please.  Forgive the misspelling. saying to me that +$100 oil is fundamental?  You mean to say that it is not geopolitical?  Who are you kidding with this?   

But it doe not matter about our disagreement.  In the next couple weeks...if not hours...the market will explain it to you.

For everything on the Earth, there is a price.  And for every price, there is one that is too high.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:12 | 1014650 Flakmeister
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  The way money is being printed, it is hard to estimate what the price of oil should be. The world market is very tight, oil price demand inelasticity is about 0.07, this implies 1% shortfall is about a 14% increase.

However, the value of oil is easy to figure out. If you pay people $0.25 a hour for hand labor, the equivalent power extracted from oil equates to $580 per barrel. Oil is cheap compared to what it does...

   As for the price swings post Lehman, what happened to oil  was no different than what happened to Au, Ag, Pt and Pd. Grossly oversold and I BTFD.

And you still haven't told us about the MASSIVE finds and addressed the US production curve I posted....

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:15 | 1014670 tmosley
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Or you could pay an animal nothing!  That makes oil FREEEEEE!!!!

In other words, that is a stupid analogy.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:46 | 1014688 Flakmeister
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  You accuse me of stupid analogies and you come up with that?

  You have to buy the animal and feed the animal...

But yes, it is a limited example, but it served the purpose to estimate the value of oil...


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:12 | 1014658 tmosley
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Don't you know?  Peak oil caused this whole crisis.  I mean sure, oil prices have lagged far behind all the other commodities, but because the guys at the oil drum said it, it must be true, because they were right in 2008, right?  Clearly our somewhat higher oil prices have caused everything else to explode in price.  This is NOT a monetary crisis.  Ben Bernanke did not cause it, in fact, he is a hero, and should be revered as such, and be given our total devotion.  Government intervention is the only means by which we can preserve our current oil supply.  Production has peaked and is declining sharply, just as we predicted (wait, it hasn't?  it has only plateaued?  Look, don't argue 5th grade geography, if I say a square is a circle, then its a circle, so shut up!).

Also, in my house, I monitor the water pressure by how many cups of water I can fill per minute.  I don't have ANY water pressure!  Sure, the faucets are off, but that doesn't have anything to do with it.  Water is being extracted at the fastest rate possible down at the waterworks.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:48 | 1014705 Flakmeister
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  I've taken you to school on this before...

Net Energy of liquids produced has not budged in 5 years...

Net Exports of oil peaked in 2005...

Chew on this:

Might give you a little more insight into what helped tip Egypt over.

And yeah, don't even try to paint me as a defender of the Bernank...

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:06 | 1014511 Flakmeister
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  Just what are these MASSIVE finds?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:52 | 1014772 Matt
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@Cdad just to be sure I understand you; right now the world produces around ~80 million barrels per day. So you state Peak Oil is not real. Does this mean you believe that oil production will increase to 160 million bpd by 2020, 320 mbpd by 2030, 640 mbpd 2040, and over 40 BILLION barrels per day by the year 2100?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1014521 Milton Waddams
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If the oil producing regions are not made flush with cash who pray tell is going to buy the Treasuries?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:50 | 1014474 razorthin
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Reality, bichez.  S&P at $100 and Oil at $300 would reflect reality.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:22 | 1014430 ReallySparky
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Watch out Obama, Chavez is gonna take away your peace prize.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:25 | 1014433 sangell
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The rebels have said the want to review and or renegotiate all the oil contracts so keeping Moammar in place would seem to be the preferred outcome if oil stability is the goal.

Meanwhile Telegraph's AEP reports some Bahrain Shia cleric has said his folks will ask for Iranian help if Saudi Arabia intervenes on behalf of the Sunni leaders. This is the biggie not Libya.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:27 | 1014436 Orémus
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Why do you call Chavez a dictator ?

He has been elected and reelected more than once

And never stole no election

He is just defying american domination

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:30 | 1014439 eigenvalue
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If you rig the election, you can get elected as many times as you want.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:39 | 1014457 PY-129-20
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And if you rig the markets, you can get as much fiat as you want. What a wonderful world! Soon, we all will be millionaires and Uncle Chavez will bring us our Christmas presents.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:02 | 1014501 MarketTruth
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And if you rig elections AND the market like in America.... the world is yours and you may freely slaughter the sheeple at will.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:05 | 1014641 Oh regional Indian
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Market, ain't that the truth. I think any American pointing fingers at any world leader should think about 42 times before openign their mouths. There is just no justification/comparison. At all.

In fact, if American people can start to feel what their sin of omission has allowed a runaway MIC to do to the world in their names, maybe somethign would change.

But except for a small minority (yes, small and minority), that is not how it looks. In fact, I was there for a long time and did not see it.

I fact, they just need to visit a reservation. Once. In a lifetime. Not to gamble either.


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:23 | 1014694 pazmaker
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ORI, you should heed your own advise and worry about your corrupt leaders in India. Maybe you should think about that before opening your mouth.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:36 | 1014447 alter ego
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Hey Oremus,

Fidel Castro also have elections every four

years and surprisingly he wins!

Before say something stupid about Chavez,

maybe you should take a walk in Venezuela and

see what the Chavez' revolution really means.

In addition also ask the Venezuelan people

 about dissidents in jail.

They have many people locked in filthy

dungeons just because they  have different

opinions of your lovely revolutionary 


Ahh by the way, if for any reason you have a

house or a farm that the guys in the

Venezuelan government really  like, they will

take it away from you without paying you any


That is what I called an ideal democracy.



Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:58 | 1014489 snowball777
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¿Cuál es su punto fijo, chico? Is it better to steal the oil revenues and 'buy' that farm instead?

Maybe you're into repression like El Caracazo instead?

Hugo may be an ass, but he stood up to the IMF thugs and has been a dissident in prison too.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:14 | 1014523 alter ego
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Learn some Spanish!

Me no comprendo what you are saying.


Now, talking about the subject, in the last 10

years Venezuela have had more than 100Billion

dollars in oil related revenues.

During the same period that country have had

a yearly accumulative inflation of 20% average.


Have you been in Venezuela?

Venezuela is a tiny country with just 30 million

people and I don't think, based on those huge

incomes this country looks like

EAU or Norway, just to name other oil

exporter's countries.


Get your facts my friend.


If you are anti imperialist, go an buy

a Che Guevara's t-shirt. 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:24 | 1014542 snowball777
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If you're a pro-imperialist, go take a nice long dirt nap.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:40 | 1014570 alter ego
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No, I'm not pro-imperialist, however I'm not pro

Banana Republic's gorillas.

I fell so bad with guys like you that don't

have arguments and you just see the world

between Pro or Anti Imperialist.


You have been manipulated my friend.

Or maybe you are so in love with dictators.


Maybe you should ask yourself, who gets the

benefits for the destruction of the Venezuelan

oil industry?


What is going to happen if Venezuela's oil

productions continue to decline?


I tell you what, the "imperialist" are going to

come and buy back Venezuela's oil assets in

exchange of investment.


In addition, Chavez sale most of that Oil to

your imperialist friends.


So. Who does what and why?

Who is the sucker?

Maybe you should see yourself and ask these

 question in front of a mirror.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:47 | 1014592 snowball777
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YOU are the one seeing the world sans shades of gray, not me ("If you're an anti-imperialist,...") so shove that lame idea back up your culo.

I see Hugo for what he is, good AND bad and don't pretend that he didn't come to power because things in Venezuela were fucked up enough to allow a strongman to step into the fray. I don't condone his repression of journalistic criticism or jailing of dissidents, but I don't pretend that the vacuum he'd leave behind if eliminated wouldn't be filled with an analog to Pinochet or the Somoza dynasty either.

If given a choice between incompetence and evil, choose the former.

Now step off my dick before you get hurt.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:43 | 1014580 Orémus
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alter ego

do you know any other "dictator" that, when facing a military coup d'état (organised by the US, do you doubt it ?), has been reinstalled by his own people

he is just hated by your press because he doesnt agree with US firms making money with his countrys ressources

election rigged ? show me the proofs

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:15 | 1015110 Rick64
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Exactly, on top of this he is fighting the elite in his own country because they are the ones that benefit from the IMF programs, privitization of natural resources, and exploitation of the common man.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:56 | 1014485 spanish inquisition
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In the USA you get a choice of the same wall street backed guy in a blue or red coat. The beauty of it is, no need to fix the election in post.

In regards to dissent, you are still able to be shouted down or labeled a crackpot. Just in case things get out of hand, there are a few prisions being build in Montana(?) by Blackwater/Xe and MRE's ordered.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:28 | 1014437 Boilermaker
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Well, surely, that's good for 12 SPX handles.  Surely.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:21 | 1014446 John McCloy
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Wall St and the government only know how to cheat at this point. This whole economy is one big cheat built on long spent debt. Now our media literally no longer runs on celebrities primarily but on reality stars. Most Americans certainly deserve it the rest simply do not have the proper information to know what position we truly are in and how simple it is to fix.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:36 | 1014448 razorthin
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Just another bankster scheme to gap up markets over resistance and safely above support.  BTFD.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:36 | 1014450 Long-John-Silver
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Hillary is going to Libya to install an American Puppet Dictator come Hell, high water, or Hugo.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:37 | 1014451 LongSoupLine
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In related news, Bernanke and Geithner say thay have a plan to fix the economy.  They call it "Quantitative Easing".


Chavez approves.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:37 | 1014454 chinaguy
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No, NO! AP says Futures are rising because of the great ADP jobs numbers yesterday - LMFAO

"World stocks regained their composure Thursday after upbeat U.S. employment figures buoyed shares on Wall Street, surmounting fears of a disruption in the global oil production"

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:44 | 1014463 zaknick
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Stupid cocksucker .....

There's more real democracy in Venezuela than there has ever been in the good ole USA. Dictator? He's been elected 3 times by landslides.

You doing Rockefuckers bidding too, u little Durden bitch? Thats whose oil interests you seem to be pushing.

Motherfucker, you have the CFR banksters running your world into the gutter and here u are pimping for him... stupid slave

whats the difference between Zero Hedge and the MSM?

Stupid bitch

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:56 | 1014486 alter ego
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I think the only cocksucker are yourself.

Your premise is wrong.

 Just because the US democracy is a fallacy,

doesn't convert the Venezuelan in an Ideal.


There is nothing more sad that an ignorant with



By the way, you can buy a a Webster dictionary

and find a better synonyms for your words. I

mean if you really want to trasmit a

professional message.


Take Care

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:08 | 1014513 LongSoupLine
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WOW TYLER!!  You just got trolled by Chavez himself!  Cool!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:45 | 1015261 NotApplicable
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I'd junk you, but that rant is just too precious.

Polarize much, there Mr. Unintended Bankster Minion?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:45 | 1014465 TradingJoe
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Just a Blip on the Way Down! As with all "turmoils" they only end with "end games"! A nice opportunity to get in oil cheaper!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:52 | 1014478 jbc77
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These are strange times indeed. Futures surge on a peace plan hatched by another dictator?? Rumor now surges futures? Looting, stealing, accounting's done in the open now and the market doesn't react. We're stuck in some sort of strange Twilight Zone of reality financially speaking. Very strange days.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 08:59 | 1014495 Josh Randall
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 I knew it, Gaddafi is being backed up by that son of a b!tch Chavez and the Rosatto Brothers

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:01 | 1014500 snowball777
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Yeah....I don't think we'd want any peace that Hugo would be selling. Think nationalized oil fields across the MENA. Somewhere, Mossadeq smiles.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:18 | 1014537 ImNotExposed
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God forbid that the oil money should go to the people of the region instead of a couple of dozen families that already have enough money to ensure their descendants will never have to work until the end of time.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:28 | 1014548 snowball777
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I have no objections to toppling oligarchy (which is why the US State Dept never invites me to their parties...get it? parties...two of em').

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:32 | 1014559 ImNotExposed
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toppling oligarchy = dictator

tippling with oligarchy = ally

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:50 | 1014573 snowball777
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<clink> "I say...these peasants do seem to be getting a bit moody of late." ;)


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:03 | 1014504 docj
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Never underestimate the addictive power of Hopium.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:04 | 1014506 ImNotExposed
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Read it and weep:


The usual razor-sharp insight on MENA from the punditocracy is as dazzling as ever.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1014522 Twindrives
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Nobel Peace Prize winner Barry Obama is fixing to have his Air Force unload multiple 500lb. hope and change bombs on the Libyans.     

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:15 | 1014525 Snidley Whipsnae
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Leaders of countries always go playing in foreign policy when they are in trouble domestically...

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:34 | 1014562 snowball777
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While Hugo's tenure is only slightly less tenuous than Col Wake'n'Bake's, this may be less about "Dancing with the Dictators: Middle East Edition" and more along the lines of "OPEC Embargo II: The Dribbling".

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 11:05 | 1014553 QuantumCat
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"So while a US aircraft carrier is happily swimming toward Libya (fact), stocks once again bury their head in the sand on the smallest amount of misinformation with the hope that central planning has once again regained control."

Stocks may react to news for a short period (few minutes to hours at most), but the prevailing trend always resumes in the given direction and degree. In the context of this small 2nd wave correcting the decline from earlier in the week, the news simply correlates with the small degree up trend in equities that actually started two days ago and simply fits the expected optimism, you know, where everyone on CNBC screams "Buy the dip, Bitches!  Bernanke is a God who should not be doubted!" barely containing their Pavlovian drool for fiat treats.  When the opiate of optimism dries up in short order, we will be looking back down in equities and oil will be heading up, or at least solidifying its base at a level sufficient to sink our pocket books a while longer.  SELL THE FUCKING HEAD FAKE!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:33 | 1014557 topcallingtroll
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Two nut cases trying to negotiate a deal. We need the Hugos and Moamars of the world for a good laugh every once in a while.

Watch out for terrorists putting drugs in your children's nescafe! It may cause armed rebellion.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:36 | 1014569 snowball777
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Laughing all the way to the gas line.


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:33 | 1014561 Founders Keeper
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Stalling. Someone is buying time to square away their financial affairs ahead of a huge loss.


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:43 | 1014587 X. Kurt OSis
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I love how the majority of main stream media don't even cite the source of this "peace plan"/"preserve my buddies similar reign of terror plan." Those that do push that trivial factoid way down to the bottom.

Whateva. Every bullshit rally just gives me a higher exit on my longs and a better entry on the shorts. Don't worry. All is well in the MENA... Venezuela will save us... With some help from the martians... Yeah, that'll do it. SPX 500,000 here we come!!! Baaahhh.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:49 | 1014596 pazmaker
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shouldn't it read the second round of "Ghadafi is shot"  not "Chavez is shot" ?




Thu, 03/03/2011 - 09:59 | 1014625 pazmaker
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Venezuela is number one in South America in many categories!

#1 oil reserves

#1 in inflation

#1 in per capita murder rate

#1 in land confiscation by the government

#1 in gas reserves

#1 en tener un presidente pendejo


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:00 | 1014628 MrBoompi
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If Hugo Chavez can affect the prices of gold and silver things are more fucked up than I ever imagined.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:17 | 1014676 snowball777
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I'm sorry...was that NWO not prepared to your liking? I'll take it back to the chef.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:30 | 1014704 Founders Keeper
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[If Hugo Chavez can affect the prices of gold and silver things are more fucked up than I ever imagined.]---MrBoompi

Not likely Hugo is moving the market this morning. ZH may post an article later today with a better explanation.



Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:23 | 1014693 Bahamas
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All we get to know about Chavez is mainstream media anti-Chavez propaganda. Elitist hate him because he kicked out the oil cartel industries and nationalized the oil and with the revenues bettered the average Venezuelan life style.

If you see dissidents in jail, they are the Kodorkowski-Yukos kinds of scum.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:37 | 1014721 pazmaker
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bahamas it appears  all you know about Chavez is what your left leaning eyes want to see and unfortunately it is not the truth.  I have family in Venezuela I travel to venezuela and your are absolutely wrong.  Chavez is an egotiscal maniac.  First to address your myth that he nationalized the oil and with the revenues bettered the average venezuelan lifestyle.   WRONG!

Did you know that Venezuela roughly sells 2.25 million barrels a day.  1 million are sold at subsidized prices and 1.25 at market prices. The amount that is being sold at subsidized pricing is hurting the average venezuelan not helping.  In an attempt to be the saviour of Latin America he is hurting his own people.

I could go on and on and tell you more but something tells me you will think it propaganda.  So I'll stop there.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:39 | 1014737 Flakmeister
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  Chavez is using oil to placate his people... it will not last much longer.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:45 | 1015255 Rick64
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 How is subsidizing oil harmful to the average Venezuelan? Doesn't this make it more affordable to the common man?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:40 | 1014736 Bahamas
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My post was ment to trigger these kinds of answers. Thanks for your comment.

Please, don't stop...continue, I'm interested to learn more.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 10:57 | 1014784 pazmaker
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So that you know I'm not just blurting out MSM stuff or coming from right of center viewpoint, I wouldn't yet call Chavez a dictator, although I believe he is acting like one.


Part of the reason why he wielded much power is due to the 2005 opposition boycott of the elections.  This enable Chavez politcal party to have full control of congress and amend the constitution to enable himself to run for president for ever.


However with the most recent elections the opposition gain some seats and what did Chavez do?

He took advantage of the lame duck session before the new congreess and had his cronies grant him emergency powers where he can rule by decree for 18 months.


Did you know the General whom he placed as #1 General over the military has said that even if Chavez loses in the 2012 elections that military would not accept or acknowledge Chavez' defeat?


So 2012 elections will be a historic point and telling sign on whether democracy will rule in Venezuela



Thu, 03/03/2011 - 11:06 | 1014825 Bahamas
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I see your point. I just think Chavez is securing his power because he wants to be able to push his agenda. He's accomplished some important goals for his Country. Before him nobody would even talk about Venezuela.

Here's a piece from a recent Mike Whitney's article:

"Chavez has slashed the poverty rate in half, lowered unemployment from 15% in 1999 to 7% today, and shrunk inequality to the lowest level in Latin America. In Venezuela people are getting healthier and living longer. They're better paid and more politically engaged. "84% of Venezuelans say that they are satisfied with life, which is the second highest level in Latin America." And, guess what, Chavez is strengthening social security and retirement programs, not trying to destroy them by handing them over to Wall Street in the form of private accounts."
and hear's the link


Thu, 03/03/2011 - 11:45 | 1014964 pazmaker
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bahamas, sorry but that is Chavez propaganda. It is absolute lies that that community radios and media are being formed freely, you are only allowed to form such a community radio station if you are pro Chavez. In fact Chavez has closed over 100 radio stations in Venezuela that have even mentioned anything negative about him.

Caracas is the number one murder capital in the world. The final statistics aren't in yet for 2010 but there were close to 8000 murders alone in caracas. Chavez has done nothing about security for his people.

So I will concede he has made some social gains, but at the cost of freedom and security.

Food inflation is around 25-30% and when taking in that you have to buy that some food products are scarce and the prices on the black market even higher.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:40 | 1015236 Rick64
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 Isn't there still media in operation that is anti-Chavez ?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 11:49 | 1014980 Bahamas
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Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:00 | 1015030 pazmaker
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one personal story of Caracas Venezuela and Chavez people.


a family member of mine had leased a prime store front property, he is not a member of the elite class, (he lives with 4 family members in a 700 sq ft studio apt).  The store front he had was in area doing well and his business( watches, jewelry) was doing well providing a decent living for his family.  Cronies from Chavez political party( aka community group) took notice that this group of particular store fronts were doing well(about 4-6 businesses there) and kicked everyone out even though the lease hadn't expired and "assigned" the store fronts to members of the group.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:45 | 1015216 Rick64
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 Is it possible that this was an isolated incident that involved corrupt members in his political party or is this a common occurrence (pertaining to the lower and middle class). I appreciate the firsthand experiences because I only have access to the material online about Chavez and Venezuela, and this can be biased either towards or against him. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because of the Imperialistic and oppressive campaigns that are launched by the U.S. and the IMF.  How do you view the coup d'etat that was launched against him with the people demanding his release then being reinstated as president?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:30 | 1015451 pazmaker
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Rick it is possible, but there are many more stories like this.

If you read my early post you would see that I think the elections were legimate when Chavez was elected.  I fault the opposition for boycotting the 2005 elections in actuallity it harmed them more then helping them.

I don't agree with the coup d'etat launched against him as I also don't agree with the coup d'etat that Colonel Hugo Chavez launched and failed in 1992.

So as I said earlier the 2012 elections will be a big moment for Venezuela.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:05 | 1015338 themosmitsos
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I believe the entire purpose of this story is to embarass & humiliate the US president & his policies & reactions to the ME/NA events. Also, it's successfull in doing so. Regardless of politics, this administration is incompetent, amateurish, and impotent.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:08 | 1015350 VyseLegendaire
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Peak Oil has little to do with the idea that we are 'running out of oil.'  Due to market and government collapse, the remaining oil will not be developed or explored.  Blame your kleptocratic heads of state for preventing market forces from the development of alternative energies.  Peak Oil is just a metaphor for the collapse of centrally controlled economies.  

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 21:33 | 1017160 locinvestor
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Chavez isn't a dictator. He's been elected by his population.

Since he's the head of a sovereign state, why not have him mediate? Can you think of a viable alternative? Anything that involves the U.N. will be manipulated by the States. The EU can also be manipulated in many ways by Hillary and Obama.

Other than the Arab League and Chavez, who else is there? Naturally, many elements in the West are terrified that all oil willbe cut off. Read between the lines of what's being "officially said" and compare that to actions being taken.

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