Gaddafi Said To Have Ordered Libyan Oil Infrastructure Sabotage

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Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:10 | 986382 SwingForce
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Just shows you how STUPID we are for not using Natural Gas or CNG to run our cars, trucks, and electric plants (save nuclear). How are we at the mercy of these morons?

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:17 | 986408 Dr. Richard Head
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Well of course the Department of Energy has done a wonderful job of getting the US "off its oil addiction." 

I have hope for these revolutions, but the problem I see is that the revolutionaries still want government to correct their problems all the while ignoring the fact that governments ARE the problem.

Will we ever have a voluntary society? 

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:25 | 986446 TeamAmerica
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Hey dick head, the DoE delivered all sorts of alternatives - the problem was (and still is) that using oil is cheaper.   If you and the rest of America wanted to pay more to get off the oil addiction, you had the freedom of choice to do so.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:30 | 986462 Dr. Richard Head
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The US Department of Energy's Biomass and Vehicle Technologies Programs is a great alternative indeed. I should have definitely decided to take the biofuel cars in order to consume FOOD for fuel, all the while consuming more energy producing the food and turning it into fuel. Great fucking idea.  I should definitely decide to use Food to run my car.  Genius indeed.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:38 | 986487 NotApplicable
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Hey, why stop there?

Maybe we can burn cows for fuel, after feeding them all of the corn we grow.

That way, both sides of the agri-business aisle (meat and taters) can get subsidized while the masses starve.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:40 | 986491 Dr. Richard Head
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Perhaps we can also gather cow farts and toss that into the mix too.  We can kill to birds with one two cows with one gas tank.  We would save the earth from deadly CO2 cow gas and power our cars.  I'm lovin' it.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 20:07 | 986903 markmotive
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You might be on to something. Of course, any alternative would take massive infrastructure investment and lifestyle changes. Something super-size-me couch-warmers are incapable of.

We've spent the past 50 years building a world that is dependant on a single depleting resource. And now we all go ape-shit when 2% of supply is threatened.

Libya is nothing compared to what we could see...

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:43 | 986507 TeamAmerica
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"Biomass" is not food, unless you are prone to eating garbage.  The program you cite specifically excludes using agricultural products normally grown for food.


Given that your understanding of what our goverment does is fundamentally flawed, we can conclude that your views on government in general are similarly faulty.  


Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:52 | 986531 Dr. Richard Head
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I call horse shit.  I recruited in the ethanol industry and indeed they are turning CORN into fuel.  While there are indeed biomass (aka parts of the plant unfit for consumption) components, the main ingredient in ehtanol is CORN -

Thanks for providing a .gov link for you statement of facts though. Next thing you know you will be providing me the unemployment stats from the BLS.  God (Allah, Buddah, Krishna, whoever) knows their facts are so accurate. 

I don't know who the WE is that you refer to, but I bet it deals with multiple personality disorder or something of the sort.  Ad hominem attacks are fun.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:57 | 986553 TeamAmerica
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Horse shit...good example of what the biomass program is actually about.  

Not my fault that you confused biomass with ethanol subsidies.   Nor is it my fault that your avatar is Dr. Dick Head, but interesting that you consider pointing that out to be an ad hominem.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:53 | 986720 zaknick
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Dr Dick Head 1, Team Homo Americus zip/zero/nada.

Talking about this monstruos fascist bankster captured police apparatus "our government"; more like the slave driver.

Apparatchiks are trolls in the Internet age, eh? How you like that, KGB man?

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:03 | 986572 George the baby...
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BioGas and ethanol are not the same thing.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:35 | 986665 Dr. Richard Head
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I am indeed wrong about biomass.  My facts regarding corn are inline.  

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:36 | 986484 tmosley
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If they haven't delivered a cheaper alternative, then what are we paying these people for?

Might as well have paid them to sit in a room and count ceiling tiles for all the good they have done.  Hell, that probably would have been a better use of the money, rather than having them regulate every real oil alternative out of competition.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:40 | 986494 Dr. Richard Head
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Like the Grace Commission Report during the Reagan years.  Great on paper, but no one delivered.  Fuck the government. 

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:58 | 986552 JW n FL
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while you two argue the left and right arguement... the Bankers just got a Trillion Dollars Richer in Bonus Monies... The Ber-Nake Printed another $2 Trillion Dollars... for POMO and the new balanced $1T v. $3T National Budget.


The whole divide and conquer (US) thing only has legs for a very, very short time... becuase, we are all angry and we only have each other to bash.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:02 | 986567 papaswamp
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Spot on JW

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 19:03 | 986738 zaknick
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Yet "somebody" junked him.

About this cheap fuel argument. Ive read that the secret gov (you know, tge C!A within the C!A, those fascist banksters and some of the wealthiest people in the countty) had the FBI confiscate Tesla's research papers. Who owns the Fed, the biggest oil Co. AND the CFR?

How much u wanna bet that in the future people find out there was a cheap alternative long ago yet was suppresed?

Who runs this sham of a police state?

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:42 | 986683 tmosley
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Is that a left vs right argument?  I wasn't aware.  

I spend 99% of my time bashing those other guys.  I think 1% devoted to questioning the need for a bunch of government agencies that only make things worse is justified.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:48 | 986701 alangreedspank
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Thu, 02/24/2011 - 20:13 | 995274 ft65
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SOME use the hammer more than others. Stanford and Tavistock institutes spend fortunes learning how to control the masses. It's all totally LOP sided. HB Gary / MacDill sock pupets will see to those places where free thinking tak place. The last resort will be to GuLP down the meds.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:48 | 986524 TeamAmerica
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You assume that the DoE was chartered to deliver "cheaper".    The thought back on day one that being dependent on oil was a costly liability in itself and hence anything else would be better.

The problem is not what the DoE has or hasn't done, it's the fickle American people who want to have their cake and eat it too.   We don't want to be dependent on oil, and we don't want to pay more for that freedom.

Blame government all you want...after all, it's We The People.  Same as looking in a mirror.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:52 | 986532 johnQpublic
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and what do you have that is a true substitute for oil?



nothing has the energy density of oil

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:57 | 986547 Dr. Richard Head
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I'll argue his side for him now.  How about HEMP? one needs a crop that can yield three harvests in one growing season with little need for fertilizer, water, or tending. 

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:01 | 986563 TeamAmerica
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Now you're talking sense.  Hemp would indeed be a good choice.  All kinds of great uses. :-)

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:03 | 986575 tmosley
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Think again:

Or any of a large number of explosives or exothermic reactions.  Or nuclear fuel, if you are talking about centralized energy production.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 20:06 | 986905 RafterManFMJ
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Human fat has the same energy density as gasoline. And most Americans are obese. I await my DOE grant monies.

Thu, 02/24/2011 - 20:17 | 995281 Flakmeister
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Well said...  The DOE mandate was not to find skittle pooping unicorns...

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:50 | 986526 dark pools of soros
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they'll grow a carrot on Mars before they do anything smart about energy down here

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 01:53 | 987739 Oh regional Indian
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Between regulatory capture, lobby capture and bribe capture, the Auto-oil 2sum has ensured we stay on this screwed up oil paradigm.

Anyone heard of Stanley Meyers? I suggest you look him up.

or go further back to see how GM "captured" and sank the railway industry, so roads over rails got built.

Alternative technology is easy. But people are addicted to oil. Literally and figuratively.

It is us that need to change. The solutions are there.



Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:46 | 986518 traderjoe
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Really? That's simply absurd. American foreign policy has encouraged a dependence on foreign oil to justify the massive defense and MIC spending. You must work for the DoE...

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:53 | 986537 TeamAmerica
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Funny, but you forgot to put </sarcasm> at the end.

Lacking that, you risk having people think you are serious.


Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:18 | 986618 alangreedspank
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True. The US imported less oil from the Middle East before the creation of this Department than it does today -- after billions of dollars spent on nothing, of course.


Wed, 02/23/2011 - 10:28 | 988174 ibjamming
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Will we ever have a society without a class of losers?

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:20 | 986417 morph
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Well oil should just be used for motoring and situations where mobility is key. Nuclear should be used for electric.  Then gas is good for situations where you dont want to die as the energy combusts. Burning oil for electric is just a waste.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:54 | 986539 impending doom
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Anyone know how much goes into plastics and pharmaceutical feedstocks?

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:45 | 986692 dick cheneys ghost
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The saudi's must be freaking out about events in Bahrain.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 20:08 | 986910 RafterManFMJ
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Well oil should also be used for instruments of war; tanks, APCs, etc.  Nuclear for electric cars. If you don't have a job, you don't get a car. You must pull a banker or lawyer around in a rickshaw.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:24 | 986442 DoChenRollingBearing
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Damn right.  PERU has much of Lima's taxi fleet running on LNG.  And they are POOR!

We have no excuse.  Easy and fairly cheap to run, say, municipal vehicles and trucks on the Interstates with NatGas.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:43 | 986510 Ragnarok
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Shit you can't dig a hole without running into a NG pipeline in Texas and Lousiana, how hard is it really to compress + clean it?  Bring the energy companies on board, they have the know how and logistics to make this happen.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:19 | 986623 NotApplicable
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LNG requires expensive infrastructure, so perhaps it is keeping Peruvians poor?

LNG (or ethanol) makes no sense while there is still oil flowing at a rate to meet present demand.

Maybe after WWIII ends, the existing oil infrastructure will be destroyed/depleted to the point that LNG is an economical alternative. Until then though, it is a waste of scarce resources that could be used to better solve human needs (and not fake political ones like "addiction to foreign oil").

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:27 | 986641 DoChenRollingBearing
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Peru is actually doing rather well vs. the rest of the world (big exporter of lots of metals and their .gov not doing much = a good thing).

Yes, they had to build out the gas stations to include LNG, but they already had a pipeline over the Andes to export LNG, so they decided to use some of their large gas deposits.  "They say" that running the little taxis with LNG is cheaper, even after vehicle conversion.

IMO, limited infrastructure (say, cities over 500,000 and along the Interstates) would not cost too much and give us some real oil savings.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 18:46 | 986694 NotApplicable
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Given the ass-raping we take over ethanol (and E85) to the tune of $.50 per gallon direct producer subsidies, (not to mention the millions (billions?) handed out to build the plants all over Iowa and Missouri), I have no faith that the criminals d.b.a. "fedgov" have the capacity, let alone the ability to deliver any goods or services in an efficient fashion.

It will just be the next chapter in our march towards full fascism. Peru sounds lucky, having a not do much gov. In the US however, from what I've read, I can't imagine a LNG port being built that wouldn't cost at least ten times as much, thanks to all the bureaucracy governing its construction and operation. (think NIMBY)

I would much prefer LNG to the disaster that is ethanol (destroys engines), but I don't believe that is feasible in the USSA.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:24 | 986445 Michael
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The wealthy elite of the world are double crossing the Arab oil producers. They are destroying the US currency and are establishing a one world currency. Lindsy Williams is 100% correct on the elitist plans. Inflation is going to the stratosphere. The big fight Americans must undertake is stopping our government from accepting a world currency. We must insist the US print it's own treasury money without interest and kill the Federal Reserve.

The turmoil in the Middle east is a logical progression of events precipitated by the globalists using unwitting participants such as the Egyptian Google executive. This will backfire on them. The police state oppression and food inflation are the oppressive conditions that have outraged the people into action. These are logical conditions that precipitate events the globalists know they can use this to their advantage to bring about their world monetary government.This too will backfire on them. The oil companies and global elitists want to stop oil flow to the US so we are forced to open a huge quantity of crude oil and natural gas that exists under Gull Island, located in the waters of Prudhoe Bay in Alaska, in ANWR, The Oil and Gas Resource Potential of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and the Rocky Mountain reserves that have been kept off the market till the elitists could get filthy rich off these assets.The US must demand large royalties from these reserves.

Listening to Lindsy Williams on Infowars radio today seems so eerily close to things I read 25 years ago in a book called, "The United States and Great Britain in Prophecy" by Herbert W Armstrong.  I'm dusting this book off now and am going to re read it.

You should listen to the rebroadcast of the Alex Jones program that will stream for the next 21 hours. Williams is on in the 3rd hour of each rebroadcast recurring every 3 hours.

This movie clip from Rollover (1981) is not so far from what will really happen.

Wall Street Silver Gold Theft and World Economic Collapse


Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:32 | 986469 SwingForce
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I hate when I have to read and read over three times, like Marx Bros movie, they keep adding stuff each time. Thanx for links and thoughts, will process eventually. Seems to me there is a possibility to use NatGas internally, and export OIL. That freakin' BP hole has a bunch in it, BO better turn that Mercado into another ANWR quick. Off-limits.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:54 | 986540 Michael
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I don't repost things for the ones who already read my stuff. I repost things for the ones who missed it. Not everyone reads every comment in the comment section.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 19:39 | 986841 SwingForce
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I appreciate. Need to process to get smarter, thank you.



Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:33 | 986470 william the bastard
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Why not post another book about WTC7 instead of repeatedly reverting to kissing Kristoferson's ass in his only suit movie? 

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:48 | 986523 tmosley
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Why not get out?  Can't you tell when you aren't wanted?

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 17:59 | 986558 william the bastard
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Do you crap out of anything but your mouth?

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