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Wealth effect (DJIA) will be gone in about 2 months or so-back to pre QE2 levels:
Ladies and gentlemen, fellow Americans, good people of the world. Tonight I would like to spend some time with you to address the role my administration has taken since the financial crisis to bring our economy back from the brink of certain destruction. This is a success story, clear and simple.
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Some Americans look at our recovering economy and wonder if we could go back into recession. But folks, a recession can not happen here. Our financial system is safe and sound. Our regulations are much stronger than they were in 2008. My administration, working with our friends in business and on Wall Street, has seen to that. We have engaged with leaders from Main Street to ensure that they are heard. The dollar is strong and sound thanks to our efforts at value deflation. And, finally, American ingenuity will solve all problems thrown our way. America is still that shining light on the hill.
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the mistake this article makes is thinking that Wall Street gives a flying fuck about how Main Street is doing.....
what they care about is draining every last dime from the peasantry that they can....
then, they will move on......target some other population and destroy them.
Obummer... Stop It!!! You're scaring me!!!
Yes we can!!
We now know who the "we" was he was talking about
Are they actually pricing in an end of QE2 debt monetization and selling off commodities? How quaint.
Wall Street doesn't fucking care what happens to "Main Street." They are totally insulated from the consequences of their own bad bets. The country could be a flaming ruin and the government would extract just enough from the starving peasants to keep Wall Street alive.
I like your Avatar - where did you lift it?
Just have to comment here, that they are not completely insulated from the consequences as long as they live and "work" in this country. If law enforcement is impossible by the goverment and everyone related, then the people can do this instead.
So it's good news because people will be so depressed they will buy i-thingys.
Yeh, that's the ticket.
Imploding consumer confidence
Fire up the rumor mill about mergers, takeovers, etc.
I lost a bunch of money on TYC during the dot com bust. Thought I was diversifying ! It gave me some solace to see that bastard behind bars. Not too long ago, justice was served in USA.
The situation is very different today. Look at Angelo Mozilo. Settled his case. Why wouldn't the optimism in US be down ?
Does it matter? As Joseph Stiglitz recently wrote for Vanity Fair, the upper 1% of Americans make more than 25% of the annual income every year and control about 40% of American wealth. In the past 10 years, their incomes have gone up 18% while the middle class has seen their incomes decline. That is just the upper 1%.
Dump the Charitable Contribution Deduction maybe? http://bit.ly/bUhdTr
...it would seem Wall Street and Main Street will have to align at some point going forward...
...it would seem Wall Street and Main Street will have to align at some point going forward...
I don't see why. Earnings? LOL!
careful, if you touch the top 1% it makes you socialist. What we really need to do is get rid of Medicaid and Medicare and lower the top tax rate to 25%, that way McDonalds employees pay the same as Bill Gates and the old people can beg in the streets. That's the only fair solution I can think of.
and if you take away their tax/regulation/corporate advantages it makes you capitalist.
Low corporate taxes and a simplified flat tax improves economic growth and everyone could benefit. It doesnt nevessarily worsen the income gap. Singapore is an economic.powerhouse.
really? Singapore is your example? You should be caned. The flat tax argument is just as bogus as the anti-minimum wage argument, and both are held strictly by those who have never held minimum wage jobs or been in a low tax bracket. Please.
"The truth is that virtually any flat-rate tax plan that adds up must, by simple arithmetic, produce huge tax cuts for those with the highest incomes and therefore big tax increases on almost everyone else"
"While corporate profits have increased, the wages of Singaporean workers, except for those at the higher end, have barely budged in real terms."
....Singapore. retard. I almost chocked on my falafel reading that nonsense.
The average person can't be given enough debt tickets to put the world into service to them. They would want stupid peaceful things. Not machine guns or 8 barrel cannons the size of volkswaggens. They would also not want renewable energy where they spend every weekend cleaning their solar cells and checking the specific gravity of their batteries while the governments burn the rest of easy free energy as oil. You can't run things unless you are "creating jobs" which means you are creating all the tools and resources necessary to control and manipulate.
Now if you'd like higher taxes please text no to 1-888-FUCK-YOU
If you wouldn't like higher taxes please text yest to 1-888-FUCK-YOU.
Texting costs 25.99. We have TRUE democracy now.
Use our happy birthday package. It's only 14.99. We'll activate her cell phone camera and makes sure she isn't asleep or presently being beaten by someone at the rest home. Once she is awake we'll deliver all your text messages for best wishes to her phone and if you can't afford the entire 14.99 we have easy pay with only 3 monthly payements of 6.99. If grandma's phone is jailbroken we'll imprison her for 3 months instead.
I couldn't parse one coherent thought out of that entire post. It's as if a random word generator was fed through an idiots vocabulary and converted to text with absolutely no regard for the phenomenal waste of time reading it would turn out to be. I feel cheated of 30 seconds of my life. I can only quote Billy Madison game show host and say that "we are all stupider for having heard that."
Must confess I like the concept of a graduated flat tax. Everyone pays in, but the percentage of what they pay off income increases with greater income. But no deductions. No mortgage, no charitable, no business subscriptions or membership dues. Simple % of income.
You seek a mortgage because you want the physical shelter over your head without a landlord, and can afford the payments but don't have enough cash for outright purchase, not as a tax shelter. You believe home values will appreciate or won't. You don't expect to move for at least 5 years. Otherwise you rent.
You make a charitable contribution because you can - you want to do something good and you can afford to.
You buy subscriptions to WSJ and Economist and donate to ZH because you benefit from reading them. Your understanding of the business climate is enhanced. You belong to club because encountering others or working out or eating at the clubs is something you enjoy or it advances your business - not because it defrays your taxes.
The police, military, infrastructure etc. . . still need to be paid for.
no, no, no. You "must confess you like the concept" because you know it's some pretty unfair shit to do but would save you money, or at least make you feel better knowing others have the same burden. Buying vs renting isn't a hedonic choice, either. If you're wealthy there are few reasons and few places nationwide were it makes more sense to rent.
"You belong to club because encountering others or working out or eating at the clubs is something you enjoy"
I think that basically sums it up. You belong to exclusive social clubs that further your business interest and confess to fellow socialites how you "like the concept of a graduate tax."
Aw shucks BK. It's not a graduate tax. That's for the Ivy elites. It's a graduated tax - something like income of $10K pays 0.5%, income of $50K pays 3%, income of $75K pays 6%, Y of $100K pays 10%, 200K 15%, 400K 20%, 600K 25%, 1mil 30%, 5mil 35% 10 mil 40%, 25 mil 50% etc. Not ready to defend what proper percentage or threshold changes should be - just saying such a system would garner more participation, greater sense of "fairness", and get rid of a lot of stale, politically motivated, deductions that do not serve the economy.
clog, i think the idea of the negative income tax takes precedent. we must start sending goobermint employees packing. not figure out ways to keep fattening them at our expense. oh! we must agre on a budget! bullshit! we must agree to sending the deadbeats home.
when people file, if winning, they pay, if losing, they get snap + whatever little else, depending ON THE IRS FILING!
this gets rid of oceans of "social workers" in the states, too, who are probably now getting to Feb's apps. this is insane!
you give me the negative, tax, i'll give you something along what you want, AS LONG AS IT WORKS.
rearranging the deck chairs is no longer cool, imv, clog. i consider this a secondary issue. OMG! how can we do this? get rid of the fukin goobermint. about 60%. really. i don't know what they'll do. i don't care. they didn't seem too concerned when others were becoming homeless and millions of private economy jobs vaporized.
so i make posts like below.
lol. after the 1st month, in the 2nd we could end the FED.
we need a huge freaking attitude adjustment, friend. we don't work for these shitheads. they work for us. believe it. live it. fight for it. fight club.
by Cleanclog, on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:55 #1163460
Aw shucks BK. It's not a graduate tax. That's for the Ivy elites. It's a graduated tax - something like income of $10K pays 0.5%, income of $50K pays 3%, income of $75K pays 6%, Y of $100K pays 10%, 200K 15%, 400K 20%, 600K 25%, 1mil 30%, 5mil 35% 10 mil 40%, 25 mil 50% etc
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I wonder if 'economic genius' above recognizes disincentives when he sees them?
Does this economic genius recognize that today, the 'rich' pay a disproportionate amount already? Does he? (or she)
And just who defines this greater sense of "fairness" it speaks about ... flat tax, bastards - make more simply PAY MORE without debilitating economic disincentives!
I feel like I'm addressing members of congress ...
way to try and make a point over a typo, jackass. Your "greater sense of fairness" is a joke. You playing 18 holes of golf instead of 36 is not the same as getting half as many food stamps, if you can process that analogy without taking it verbatim. Your ideologies fail outside of your social club, which is why you're shit scared of letting others compete via a fair, progressive tax system like exists in most developed countries. Keep looking over your shoulder, future's catching up.
very well said. fuk the flat tax!
i'm not all too happy that crazed psychos are determining what we talk about, tho.
not you. lol! the assholes who run the flat tax up the flagpole and salute it while stealing us fuking blind.
let's just send 25% of federal "emplyees" home next month, stop "corporate personhood" in the political processes, institute the negative income tax, and enjoy the coffee!
All in favor of GRADUATED income taxes raise your check-signing hand and repeat after me:
I hereby declare that my ownership of property or my of ownership wealth, or my ability to earn a wage or otherwise earn some recompense for my work, both intellectual and physical, may be subject now or at anytime in the future to seizure, confiscation or nationalization by TPTB through the local, state and federal governments in existence at that time ... without any regard for property laws or of said citizens being free and sovereign ... I do hereby attest that I make this oath of sound mind and body and furthermore do swear allegiance to the powers that be (TPTB) for the purposes of governance and taxation.
So it has been spoken.
So shall it be done ...
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, the stock market used to reflect the state of the populace. Sad days indeed...
why? buck up, bro/sis! the stock market got "securitized", the structure of the human auction market and two kinds of membership licenses, one for market makers, was abandoned, new! digital design! and gigundafreaking liquid sale! good for them!
now, stick w/ the real. real money. real home. real transportation. real insurance. real security. real simple.
lol! ya either have an "eye" for it, or ya don't! got PMs?
Wall Street and Main Street may not have to align if the gap between rich and poor keeps increasing. Fed can keep distributing free money, which gets used to bid every f*cking asset higher. Share holders are happy, executives with stock compensation are happy and to celebrate their happiness, they fire a few more people boosting bottom line.
It's not impossible for this to happen is it ? I mean it has been happening all along, so without a revolution, this can go on forever.
Until earnings collapse, and corp debt can't be paid...
No prob. They just governmentize that private debt. It is really all the same to the elite elected (paid into office for and by lobbyists and corporate and occasional union interests) and the leaders of industry leaders (CEOs CFOs Union chiefs). They just trade places and reap their rewards.
Never mind the peon's problems. More debt, more monetization, no one can stop the game.
clog: take care of #1. you are in charge of you. stopping the game? no.
getting yerself outa it, away from it, clear of it, and still BE you? yes.
"this can go on forever"
Seems that way. And the best asset classes to buy are the ones with "inelastic demand," like oil and food. Inelastic demand is just bullshit code for "we can take these prices much much higher."
I dont believe they can take prices much much higher at all. For everyone yapping about $7 gas, the oil industry reported today that demand has fallen at $3.65 national average. Bankrupt people cant afford higher prices no matter how high you raise them.
I'm reminded of an old co-worker of mine. "No matter how many times I cut this, it is still too short!" Not a bad metaphor for the last 30 years, actually...
Wall St. and Main St. are two separate economies. The rich don't need us anymore.
Welcome to the REAL world, Neo.
Wait...huh? I just got all bulled up and bought Netflix and Lulu? WFT?
DANG me too! $9 bland burritos in front of Netflix TV in your new $300 leotard outfit FTW!
March deficit $188B
6 month total now $829B
Annual pace over $1.6T - or 11% of GDP
"They" are not "confident" because they fail to realize just how good they have it.
When the hell does Apocalypse Now: Amerikkka begin?? Got my popcorn, drink and a comfy view... lets get this collapse on the road, bitches!
Today USD, stocks ,Oil, PM all falling at the same time. Unusual.
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