This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Gamma Radiation In Fukushima-Downwind Ibaraki Disclosed, 30 Times Above Normal

Tyler Durden's picture




 

For all who have been looking for realtime radiation data from Japan, you are in luck. Or maybe not, as the data unfortunately indicates nothing good. The System for Prediction of Environment Emergency Dose Information (SPEEDI) releases gamma radiation data online. The site is jittery and apparently not suited for major traffic which is why we represent several screen captures of the data. While it is not surprising that according to the website both Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures are entirely "Under Survey" as it makes sense that the government does not want to generate panic, SPEEDI has disclosed some tell-tale data about cities in Ibaraki prefecture, which is just a hundred or so miles north of Tokyo, and is just south of the ill-fated Fukushima prefecture. And the data is stunning: based on a N, NE and NNE wind direction (where it originates), meaning all coming from Fukushima, with a normal reading in the 80 nGy/h range, the city of Kounosu Naka is at 3,024, Kadobe Naka is at 2,416, Isobe Hitachioota is at 1,213 and many others are in the mid to upper triple digit range! Again, this is based on wind coming out of Fukushima and ultimately headed toward the capital. Indicatively, normal terrestrial plus cosmic gamma radiation is about 80 nGy/h.

Below we present screencaptures as of moments ago, as apparently the Japanese government seems to believe that abnormal gamma radiation levels are perfectly notmal:

A map of all prefectures, showing maximum gamma radation readings. Note Ibaraki at 3,024 nGy/h, and Kanagawa right below it (and downwind) at 224 nGy/h compared to low double digts for all other prefecture.

Not surprisingly, Fukushima is completely N/A, as every single reading is Under Survey, also known as censored.

But the stunner is Ibaraki. We will let this one speak for itself:

As a reference, based on background radiation measurements in the lower atmosphere at
different altitudes above sea level up to 1100 m and over the land were
made at a temperate latitude (40°) in the Thessaloniki region, North
Greece, before and after the Chernobyl accident (26 April 1986), using a
portable γ-ray scintillation detector and a Cutie-pie survey
meter with an ionization chamber, the average value of the total
background radiation at ground level was 87 nGy h-1
(10.0 μR h-1, 25 cps), i.e. 60% from terrestrial radiation, 55 nGy h-1 (6.3 μR h-1, 15 cps) and 40% from cosmic radiation, 32 nGy h-1 (3.7 μR h-1,
10 cps), before the Chernobyl accident, while, after it, the total
background radiation was doubled,
due to the long-lived radioactive
fallout suspended in the atmosphere and or deposited onto the ground.

h/t Jon

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:25 | 1052126 Popo
Popo's picture

Where does it fall on the Banana Equivalent Index?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:28 | 1052132 mrgneiss
mrgneiss's picture

I saw some pretty crazy posts on the last radiation related article; here are some sane words from a survival guru:

http://www.survivalblog.com/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:56 | 1052264 Bad Asset
Bad Asset's picture

Yeah, JWR knows his stuff.  I read his blog everyday.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:58 | 1052693 blunderdog
blunderdog's picture

10 micro-rems per hour is normal dose, say it's really bad and because of this locals are getting 500 micro-rems per hour...a bit higher than reported in the post--factor of 50x rather than 30x.

Safe short-term whole-body exposure is up to 10 million micro-rems.  Up to 100 million micro-rems you won't feel anything, but slight decrease in white-blood cell count may occur.  At 100-200 million micro-rems you start seeing nausea, more signficant WBC decrease, tiredness, etc--still generally recoverable.

So if current levels stay elevated at 500micro-rems/hr, locals would be exposed to significantly dangerous levels of radiation after about 400,000 hrs.

This is not to say anything good is happening or this is not a serious issue.  Nuke meltdowns are bad and the guys working on the plants are likely to be exposed to significant radiation levels.  The stuff reported in the post is not significant.  This will likely turn out to be the most serious nuclear disaster of history in the long run.  It may not kill as many folks as Chernobyl, but the potential to be significantly worse is very real.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:01 | 1052897 ZerOhead
ZerOhead's picture

"It may not kill as many folks as Chernobyl, but the potential to be significantly worse is very real."

Here lurks the potential global Black Swan. (Sorry for the caps) Do not dismiss what 40 years of stockpiled spent fuel rods could do if combusted...

Why you ask?

Because they store the used fuel rods in a cooling pool above and adjacent to... are you ready for this?

ALL 6 of the GE Mark 1 reactors.

If the cooling pumps to the spent fuel storage pools fail the water will evaporate and the spent fuel will heat and may combust. I don't think I even have to tell you how bad that development could be but it would certainly likely be global.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20110314/ts_csm/369577

A particular feature of the 40-year old General Electric Mark 1 Boiling Water Reactor model – such as the six reactors at the Fukushima site – is that each reactor has a separate spent-fuel pool. These sit near the top of each reactor and adjacent to it, so that cranes can remove spent fuel from the reactor and deposit it in a swimming-pool-like concrete structure near the top of the reactor vessel, inside each reactor building.

 

If the hydrogen explosions damaged those pools – or systems needed to keep them cool – they could become a big problem. Keeping spent-fuel pools cool is critical and could potentially be an even more severe problem than a reactor meltdown, some experts say. If water drains out, the spent fuel could produce a fire that would release vast amounts of radioactivity, nuclear experts and anti-nuclear activists warn.

 

GE brings good things to life!

Or not.

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:24 | 1053013 blunderdog
blunderdog's picture

Try to get with that whole "orders of magnitude" concept.  I posted a few useful numbers.  Remember that virtually all the radioactive material in these plants used to be spread out elsewhere on the planet.  We aren't manufacturing that much of the stuff.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:35 | 1053096 barkster
barkster's picture

jpm silver suppression records were probably stored in the building  >:-))

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1053457 ZerOhead
ZerOhead's picture

I respectfully disagree.

Primary uranium fuel isotopes are U235 and sometimes U238. U235 is fissile. U238 becomes P239 upon addition of a single proton. (breeder processes)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium-239

Half lives of uranium isotopes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium

Uranium-238 is the most stable isotope of uranium, with a half-life of about 4.468×109 years, roughly the age of the Earth. Uranium-235 has a half-life of about 7.13×108 years, and uranium-234 has a half-life of about 2.48×105 years.[68]

 

Uranium 234, 235 and 238 are relatively stable my friend... the fission by-products?

Not so much.

So yes... there is a BIG difference to what gets pulled out of the ground. This stuff is soooo radioactive that it actually glows! (under water anyway...)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:08 | 1053507 Mark McGoldrick
Mark McGoldrick's picture

-

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:44 | 1053778 blunderdog
blunderdog's picture

It's not just a matter of opinion, of course.  The stuff we are "manufacturing" is nastier than the stuff we're mining.  But it was coming about ANYWAY, it's just a question of where/how it is concentrated.

Half-lives of billions of years and creation of fission by-products with half-lives of only thousands of years.  It's bad, no doubt.

Given the last report here, for certain now I say this is the worst nuclear disaster we've seen.

How much fissile material was involved in Hiroshima and/or Nagasaki?  Is this bigger or smaller than those events?  Is it worse to kill everyone instantly or make them sick over years/decades?

Again with the simple/blunt basics: this is nowhere near fucking "the world's" health.  Orders of magnitude.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:52 | 1053836 jmc8888
jmc8888's picture

It just keeps seeming like it can't get worse, and then it does.

One thing I hope we can compare it to, and who knows if it plays out like this, but just for comparison, is that in the Three mile island meltdown, when it dropped to the bottom of the container, it started to cool down and 'only' went through 5/8th of an inch of the 5 inches of concrete it was. Hopefully, a similar outcome would occur. 

Pretty stupid once again to keep the spent stuff, THAT close to the reactors. (and below it?) WTF

So if 3.M.I. reactor only cut through 5/8th an inch, lets hope it won't get through to the bottom where the rods are.

Who knows after the explosions though what shape it's in.  Still probably be pretty hard though to get through.  We'll see and obviously hope for the best.

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 00:17 | 1054017 blunderdog
blunderdog's picture

Pretty sure it's already way worse than 3MI.  Compare to two Chernobyls (or three) all occurring right next-door to each other at the same time.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 00:42 | 1054173 Kaiser Zose
Kaiser Zose's picture

oh its worse than TMI...they've blown up 2 Rx Buildings and maybe a torus/supression pool...and likely trashed 2 or 3 reactors and released more rads just from junk in the RB in the first explosion than TMI did net/net.  Yeah, its worse.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:00 | 1053495 Michael
Michael's picture

Some interesting stuff; Geeks are cool.

Top 10 Freaking Amazing Explosions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRRGaxx8Zf4&feature=related

5 biggest nukes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MakNe6aqgMg&feature=related

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:06 | 1053520 sushi
sushi's picture
  1. 0241: And Mr Kan also confirms earlier reports that a fire has broken out at Fukushima's reactor 4.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

 

Addressing the nation, Prime Minister Naoto Kan says that "there is a high risk of futher radioactive material coming out".

The premier also urges people within 19 miles (30km) of the Fukushima complex in the area "to remain indoors".

No word yet on Gojiro.

So Units 1, 2, and 3 have all suffered explosions. Unit 4 was one of the units that was offline at the time of the quake. The situation is clearly proceeding according to plan.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 09:24 | 1140377 TuffsNotEnuff
TuffsNotEnuff's picture

THIS ARTICLE IS BULLSHIT. TOTAL UNMITIGATED BULLSHIT.

The big spike to SPEEDI data occurred back on March15th when the first disaster was in process. It lasted for 36 hours before returning below the 1,200 nanoGrays/hour level.

5 REM/year is the IAEA safety level for lab workers.

5 REM = 35,000,000 nanoGrays = 5,700 nanoGrays/hour for a year.

If the very highest peak of radiation at Hitachinaka City in Ibaraki Prefecture had continued for a year and a test subject had sat outside, hugging the monitor 24/7/365 --- then that person would have accumulated 2/3 of the 5 REM/year IAEA standard for safety.

www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/ -- here's the SPEEDI site.

Hitachinaka City is sitting at 441 nGy/h. That is less than 10% of the 5 REM limit.

5,700 vs. 441 is the measure of heaviest risk.

That "441" is the single highest reading in Japan outside the evacuation region. Most monitors within 5 kilometers of this one are showing readings from 88-257. You'd have to go outside 24/7/365 to collect this exposure:

-- 441 nGy/h - 10:00 PM local time on the 6th

-- 464 nGy/h - 10:00 PM local time on the 5th

-- 463 nGy/h - 9:00 PM local time on the 4th

-- 480 nGy/h - 9:00 PM local time on the 3rd

-- 499 nGy/h - 9:40 PM local time on the 2nd

-- 536 nGy/h - 5:10 AM local time on the 1st of April

-- 556 nGy/h - 9:40 AM local time on the 31st

-- 575 nGy/h - 11:00 PM local time on the 30th

-- 597 nGy/h - 4:40 AM local time on the 29th

-- 646 nGy/h - 6:50 PM local time on the 28th

-- 684 nGy/h - 10:20 PM local time on the 27th of March

The first big spike came down quickly. Then a second spike with the water drops also fell within 24 hours.

The claim that the Chernobyl plant exhibited an 87 nGy/h background radiation count immediately after the accident is false. That is a flatly false statement. The source can claim to confuse nanoGrays with milliSieverts and microSieverts. Fox News had that problem, too.

For general environmental work such as this a Gray equals a Sievert.

All this Chicken Little crap does serve specific interests -- Big Oil and Big Coal.

Fuck 'em. I'm hunting for an electric car and hoping to power it from a nuclear plant that is 8:1 to 15:1 greener than natural gas, oil, or coal fired generation systems.

Also, "Clean Coal" translates to Iain'tgonnacuminyermouth.

 


 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 09:35 | 1140415 TuffsNotEnuff
TuffsNotEnuff's picture

TOKYO

Kanagawa is the closest monitor. It is reading 97 nanoGrays/hour.

That is, if barely, inside the NORMAL RANGE for background radiation in a port city.

We're talking relatively tiny amounts of radiation. Less than you get flying cross-country. In the neighborhood with poisonous radioactive foods such as bananas and spinach.

Ignorance ==> Fear ==> Big Oil and Big Coal slamming a competitor.

Those bastards go heavy on denying global warming, so expect all manner of lying crap related to radiation. And every shill account on the Internet fired up and screaming.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:12 | 1052316 Sudden Debt
Sudden Debt's picture

I am 34 years old.
Never have i known a year this crazy
it's like we are all finishing off mother earth

it makes me just sad that when we'll die we'll be leaving behind a planet that wont resemble what we had 2 decades ago when i was a kid.
I've seen many wonders of the world and all of them are not what they where 10 years ago.

And whatever happens today will leave a scare for generations to come.

This scares the shit out of me.

I never believed in a reset day. But what is happening these last few years make me doubt
this can't end well. Japan is turning into a death mans island at this rate...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:31 | 1052389 ShittyLipsMcCra...
ShittyLipsMcCrapStain's picture

Get a grip ferfuksakes. It's a horrible natural disaster....but its no where near TEOWAWKI....

 

FWIW...that radiation is gamma...relatively short lived low energy particles...

Ifn you start seeing alpha levels then you got a major problem.

 

If any country on the planet is prepared to deal with such a tragedy it is Japan.

But it is gonna COST  BIG....gonna be a big straw on the world economy camel.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:15 | 1052528 SkySavage
SkySavage's picture

Gamma radiation = bad

"Gamma-rays have the smallest wavelengths and the most energy of any other wave in the electromagnetic spectrum. These waves are generated by radioactive atoms and in nuclear explosions. Gamma-rays can kill living cells, a fact which medicine uses to its advantage, using gamma-rays to kill cancerous cells."

 

Remember what happened to Bruce Banner...

 

And +1 for the post...Tyler's got mad physics skills.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1052671 eblair
eblair's picture

He has a point.  Gamma radiation is made of high energy photons, i.e. the same stuff that you see and that you pick up on your radio and your sell phone and that gives you a tan.  Alpha radiation on the other hand is way worse; it is made up of a humongous Helium nucleus (sans electrons) and can just smash everything in its path (like DNA).  If the gamma radiation spikes to 30x for a week, that wouldn't be that big a deal.  You really need to do a time average to determine effect.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:39 | 1052619 pyrometer
pyrometer's picture

You're confused.  Alpha particles are relatively harmless unless inhaled.  Gamma particles have a very long half life and very deadly.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:45 | 1052647 SelfishMan
SelfishMan's picture

Actually gamma is the high energy radiation with highest frequency of waves (only thing higher is cosmic rays and some artificially created waves). Alpha is the lower frequency waves that are close to Xrays.  Alpha rays are the least penetrating and molecule modifying. Thus they pose the least danger to health. Gamma are the most penetrating and are the ones that cause the radiation sickness.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:47 | 1053440 invention13
invention13's picture

Gamma rays and cosmic rays are electromagnetic radiation, like ligth waves, only shorter wavelengths.

Alpha particles are helium nucleii (2 protons, 2 neutrons). They are easily stopped.

Beta particles are energetic electrons.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:51 | 1052457 long-shorty
long-shorty's picture

Sudden, I am 34 yrs old as well, and though I am disheartened by state of affairs in the world, it helps to put things in perspective. About a quarter of a million people died when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And roughly 60 million died in World War II. Life is always a struggle against entropy; some days are just easier than others, and at those times it's easy to take things for granted.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:38 | 1052612 chumbawamba
chumbawamba's picture

That's useful perspective.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1053487 goldfish1
goldfish1's picture

I think I'll throw up and go to bed.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:59 | 1052478 Tail Dogging The Wag
Tail Dogging The Wag's picture

"cheap" oil and "cheap" nuclear energy made it possible for humans to multiply to 7 Billion. Read 7 thousand million humans on the planet. With limited and finite resources for such a number of inhabitants, you have something guaranteed:  war, famine, and disease. We are seeing wars for land, resources such as oil, food, and water.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:15 | 1052526 hambone
hambone's picture

BREAKING

 

Blast reported at Japan's Fukushima No. 2 reactor

 

Now that's the TRI FECTA!!!  Third reactor just blew. 

"The dying is the easy part, it's the living that's hard."

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:05 | 1052572 Spalding_Smailes
Spalding_Smailes's picture

I posted about this below and sent Tyler link, they heard an explosion but the building is still intact ... ...

 

It's not blown yet but they are pulling out operators, siren sounding in Tokyo, 10,000 times normal radition outside of unit.( per fox news)

 

 www.ustwrap.info

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:02 | 1053214 Arch Duke Ferdinand
Arch Duke Ferdinand's picture

"The dying is the easy part, it's the living that's hard."

Riot Like They Did in 1929 (Parody  1999 Prince)

rewritten by A D F....

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/1929-parody-to-1999-prince.html

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:58 | 1052901 reader2010
reader2010's picture

The Club of Rome said it 40 years ago.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:33 | 1052599 dark pools of soros
dark pools of soros's picture

you can always go to Cleveland.. it never changes

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:44 | 1052858 Sweet Chicken
Sweet Chicken's picture

I nominate this as best post of the last two weeks. Bravo!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:15 | 1052756 Misstrial
Misstrial's picture

Sudden Debt:

Calm down....ever watched Man vs. Wild? Notice how he compliments himself frequently?

Bear Grylls says to himself, "Good job, good job"  -  and so should you.

Cultivating a positive mental attitude is good for you and keeps you from making errors in judgement that could cost you your life.

~Misstrial

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:19 | 1052765 Misstrial
Misstrial's picture

double post, sorry

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:25 | 1052792 TonyV
TonyV's picture

Every generation felt the same way about their time.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:43 | 1052860 Winisk
Winisk's picture

Looks like a nasty longterm trend to me.   

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:01 | 1052698 morkov
morkov's picture

sorry to bust in, but what do you think about this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3#ixzz1G...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:32 | 1052817 Bicycle Repairman
Bicycle Repairman's picture

I am tired of scientists with a vested interest telling us "All is well" when clearly it isn't.  In any case this is a contingent event and we would be fools to not protect against the downside.  The downside being catastrophic.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:07 | 1052926 Reptil
Reptil's picture

+1

MIT joined the Ministry of Propaganda, or so it seems.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1053155 Jim in MN
Jim in MN's picture

MIT in very deep with China re: coal and nuclear development, among other things.  Pretty sure they don't fly coach either.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:32 | 1053365 Oh regional Indian
Oh regional Indian's picture

Joined? Reptil, MIT is a part of the establishment that made "Science", or rather the glorified, clay-footed, "constant" filled lie that is sold to us as science...all glamorous and sexy.

And it sure looks like a lot of MIT types dropped in here, to calm us down. All is well, all is swell, beta, gamma, it's just rays. Like Sugar Ray and Solar ray, they punch, but it only gives you nose-bleed and then you drink some cold lemonade and all is swell.

Well, it's not. And will not be. And you know what, that is still no cause for panic. Panic is for the fearful. Is everyone here a scardey schroedinger's kitty? Keyboard Goliaths bitching about TeeVee this and that and S&Ineed to Pee, bad?

C'mon guys and girls, these are epic times. Hero making times. Time to do epic shit. And that does not mean fight. The battle is all inside us. We live a world that reflects our insides.

Free energy? Only till it is. And then suddenly it isn't and you feel like a junkie in with-drawl. The genie in the lamp turned out to be a monster, but so far, it's reach is short the 3,000 miles needed to grab you in NY, NY. 

Don't be afraid. Death is transformation. Don't put too much by this "great" civilization. Eyes off TeeVee for a few years and you realize that it has given little, except the white man means to subjugate everything. A few white men at that. Why it turned out that way is a tale for the next ones. When full disclosure and full exposure is the past and a rather battered populace needs to figure out, really quickly, how to prepare the bed and lay a seed that sprouts something full of essence.

Life-style? Bah.

Find some life-substance. 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/fukushima-blessed-island-trinity-unleashed/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:48 | 1053444 Babycatcher
Babycatcher's picture

Man!  I like you Oh.  Always glad to read what you have to say.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:58 | 1053480 PY-129-20
PY-129-20's picture

+1

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:20 | 1053619 tsx500
tsx500's picture

gimme a puff of that

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:29 | 1052137 Theta_Burn
Theta_Burn's picture

Hey dipshit we may very well be entering the surreal here.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:31 | 1052143 Popo
Popo's picture

The Banana Equivalent Dose:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

 

Let's not forget that eating a banana also exposes one to many times the "normal" amount of radiation.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:35 | 1052156 disabledvet
disabledvet's picture

"everything gives you cancer/there's no cure/there's no answer."  i do hear where your comin' from tough guy nor of course will any of us argue with you.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:41 | 1052174 Popo
Popo's picture

For the record, I'm not at all downplaying the potential seriousness of a meltdown. This situation could be much *worse* than many here have even imagined.

 But stats like "times normal levels" just aren't helpful from a public health standpoint.

 

The Banana Equivalent Dose was created to illustrate exactly this point.

 

Background radiation in on an average day in Denver is also "many times normal". 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:15 | 1052517 Ratscam
Ratscam's picture

AGAIN IT IS NOT AS BAD AS THE MASS MEDIA PUTS IT!

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-reactors-pose-no-risk-2011-3#ixzz1GZnQnOSj

or in other ZH reader's tune thanks to IQ 145, it's a non event, many time more radiation taking a flight from LAX to JFK.

@TD Please stop this media hipe, clusterfuck, mass histeria scientifically unsubstantiated news build up. Less emotions, more facts please from both sides of the tale.

Let us go back to the roots, let us not become the Sun of England or the Fox of Washington. Yes I want more money invested in cold nuclear fusion research, but corporate government is not so much interested.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:22 | 1052545 That Peak Oil Guy
That Peak Oil Guy's picture

I read this article and then went looking for the other side of the claims made.  It looks like the author was not taking into account some of the flaws of the design of this particular model of the GE implementation of the BWR (boiling water reactor).  The author may only be aware of more modern designs of the BWR.

Read this for more facts: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/14/nuclearpower-energy

TPOG

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:26 | 1052796 puckles
puckles's picture

And Business Insider is not mainstream media???  Give me a break.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:02 | 1053213 mophead
mophead's picture

Not everything gives you cancer. There is a cure, however.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:33 | 1052595 duo
duo's picture

I'm sure a "TSA scanner equivalent dose" will become the new vernacular.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:05 | 1052924 Gimp
Gimp's picture

What if you are not actually eating the banana.....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:09 | 1052934 Reptil
Reptil's picture

When inserted the effects are exponentially greater.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:14 | 1052956 Gimp
Gimp's picture

Very good ...ROFLMAO

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:58 | 1052272 InconvenientCou...
InconvenientCounterParty's picture

potassium -40 throws a small amount of beta radiation. Really small.

gamma rays are more destructive to organisms and they go right through buildings

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:20 | 1052358 Onohymagin
Onohymagin's picture

With the proviso: beta is not safer if you ingest the beta emitting material.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:25 | 1052373 IQ 145
IQ 145's picture

 Hmm; no, not really. the term gamma ray refers to a huge spectrum of energies; they're not good for people; but neither are beta particles. Some gamma rays are stopped by your roofing material; relatively rare ones might make it threw the metal of your car body; a lot of them would be absorbed by normal building materials.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:46 | 1052427 Spalding_Smailes
Spalding_Smailes's picture

Numbers growing like weeds ... 2/3rd's under a 100 an hour ago ....

 

 

Live geiger counter -

translate.google.com

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:29 | 1052431 Spalding_Smailes
Spalding_Smailes's picture

Per the BBC:

Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary, Yukio Edano, has said a partial defect has been found inside the containment vessel of reactor 3 at the Fukushima Daaich nuclear power plant, the Kyodo news agency reports. He has also said the reactor is "not necessarily in a stable condition". Early on Tuesday morning, officials said pressure inside the container had dropped and sea water was being pumped in to cool the fuel rods

Live press conference •

 www.ustwrap.info

• Red Alert •

Another explosion at #2 ..... Evacuation range at 25km. No.2 is in meltdown per NHK.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:03 | 1052291 Tulli
Tulli's picture

Hi,

  Just ran into this link on twitter. Supposedly it is a streaming video (real time) of a geiger counter in Tokio. This is unverified, so please take it as it is: unverified and therefore not proven. Nevertheless, it shows gradually increasing readings. 

I would not stay in Japan if I was there and there was a way to leave.

Link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/geiger-counter-tokyo

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:17 | 1052337 Sudden Debt
Sudden Debt's picture

Where do you move 80 million people?

How can they leave everything behind?

How can we cut away the third largest economy?

What will happen to common people who don't have money?

SHIT MAN!!!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:33 | 1052397 Bananamerican
Bananamerican's picture

"Hudson: That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now?"

chill the fuck down....

(i didn't junk you btw...)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:20 | 1053308 snowball777
snowball777's picture

China.

Like anyone who has lived through a house fire (notably, me).

By exporting from the US again (Ag lining).

They're accepting applications at Foxconn, I hear.

I'm sorry. I can't do that on command.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:27 | 1052377 IQ 145
IQ 145's picture

But if even if this accurate; they are still low levels and we expect them to decline rapidly.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:22 | 1052359 IQ 145
IQ 145's picture

 The unit, nGy, seems to indicate a nano Gray; the prefix nano is one billionth; hence one billionth of a Gray.  A normal abdominal X-ray deposits about 1 milli-Gray in the body. 3000 nano gray then is about .003  of an X-ray photo. Hopefully these are mostly short lived species of atomic types; these numbers may come down drastically in a few days. I don't really know which isotopes are likely to be the gamma sources; the half lives of the induced radioactive species are all over the map; but a lot of them are pretty short; hours, days; etc.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:34 | 1052403 ShittyLipsMcCra...
ShittyLipsMcCrapStain's picture

A beam of light in a sea of ignorance....

 

Thank you.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:35 | 1052405 ShittyLipsMcCra...
ShittyLipsMcCrapStain's picture

A beam of light in a sea of ignorance....

 

Thank you.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:14 | 1052530 Bob Dobbs
Bob Dobbs's picture

Good point.  Also remember that a dose of radioactivity, and an accumulation of radionuclides can be two different things.  A low dose of gamma rays are bad, but a micro gram of C-137 is much, much worse.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:19 | 1053305 tmosley
tmosley's picture

It takes about a tenth of a second to resolve an X-ray.  That level of radiation is thus like getting an xray every 33 seconds. 

2618 x rays a day is probably enough to keep the doctor away.  The mortician, not so much.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 09:42 | 1140434 TuffsNotEnuff
TuffsNotEnuff's picture

No-no-no.

Inumeracy, exemplified.

You get one x-ray in an hour, that's the same as getting an added background exposure for an hour walking to the park compared to sitting on your couch.

These numbers are tiny. Normal background radiation numbers in the 20-to-100 nanoGrays/hour range should be compared to the IAEA safety limt. That is 5,700 nanoGrays/hour.

Some day you're going to die no matter what. No reason to run around looking for ways to be scared.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:03 | 1052500 aminorex
aminorex's picture

That 2900 reading is equivalent to eating 29 bananas per hour -- without the nasty bloat, of course.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:29 | 1052135 ghostfaceinvestah
ghostfaceinvestah's picture

Better buy more kelp.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:29 | 1052136 Michael
Michael's picture

Internet will soon be top choice to get news in America as it overtakes newspapers for first time

"People are just becoming accustomed to having the internet available in their pockets on phones or small tablets, he said.
In December, 41 per cent of Americans said they got most of their news about national and international issues on the internet, more than double the 17 per cent who said that a year earlier, the report said.

In January, 7 per cent of Americans owned electronic tablets, nearly double what it was three months earlier. Mr Rosenstiel said it was the fastest-growing new digital technology, ahead of mobile phones when they were introduced.

"Jobs have followed the exodus: Newsroom staffs are, on average, 30 per cent smaller than they were in 2000, the project's report said.

In a telephone survey, the project found that 28 per cent of Americans said the loss of their local newspaper would have a major impact on their ability to keep up with local information; 30 per cent said it would have a minor impact, and 39 per cent said it would have no impact. (Based on a survey of 2,251 American adults, with a margin of error of 2 per cent.)

A long-term viewership decline continues for network news, although the evening news programmes continue to have significantly more viewers than cable news networks. "

Cable news viewership was down 14 per cent last year and, for the first time since the project has been tracking it, dropped for each of the three networks - CNN, Fox News Channel and MSNBC."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366052/Internet-popular-news-platform-use-smartphones-electronic-tablets-grows.html

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:33 | 1052152 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
Cindy_Dies_In_The_End's picture

actually, people are just tired of being fucking lied to all the time by a bunch of lackwit MSM whores.

 

Long Live ZH and others that seek the truth

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:38 | 1052169 trav7777
trav7777's picture

the shit on TV is virtually unwatchable.  Nevermind the monoethnicity of media ownership in this country and the astoudingly one-sided political bent, the ubiquitous political correctness.  The news, due to these factors, is utterly useless.

If you must watch, watch RT or AJ, France 24 or NHK.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:42 | 1052187 Dr. No
Dr. No's picture

The day after the quake, I watched about 10 min of CNN (John King?).  After a couple of errors, I gave the bennefit of the doubt due to cutting edge info not being verified.  But after he stated "devistating Hurricane in Japan..." I turned it off and and made some dinner.  Havent tuned in since.  Pure talking heads.

Your posts are at the top of the list for interesting read BTW.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:05 | 1052287 Michael
Michael's picture

Thanks Dr No. I'm not really doom and gloom in some peoples minds, depending on how you look at things. This is the most positive news in a bad news cycle today. It is conformation the righteous esoteric hive mind is conquering over the evil shackles imposed my the corporate controlled mainstream media.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:11 | 1052321 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

I flipped on CNN as the tsunami was reaching the northwestern US. The plastic lady gave some initial death toll out of Sendai, only to follow it up with "and that's just from one village."

I cut her a little slack though, since before the quake, not many people knew much about Sendai, let alone that it had over a million people living there. Then again, I'd thought that the scenes they were showing of the tsunami taking out the airport might've given her a clue.

Besides, compared to the BBC reporting that WTC 7 had collapsed when it was still visible behind the reporter (only to "fall" 25 minutes later), well just how high can their standards be anyway?

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:04 | 1052290 velobabe
velobabe's picture

hey smiley, i can't stand to even watch my most favorite sporting events. programning for 2 minutes, then 5 minutes of studip ass commercials. these commercials are the most offending and vile content, with the most ugliest american people they can find to sell this shit. totally ruins watching the racing. i can't believe you have cable tv with alternative channels like versus and universal sports and three quarters of the programming is fcking commercials. it is getting worst and more worst, now worser.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:13 | 1052319 Michael
Michael's picture

Never watch CNBC unless you have mute on, bad for your health.  The only reason I do view MSM from time to time, not recommended unless you have a very thick skin,  is to gage what the enemy strategies are, so I can wage new offensives against them. The most disgusting vile of creatures work for them and their heartless indifference toward our well being makes me vomit.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:32 | 1052399 trav7777
trav7777's picture

you think that's bad, I have to suffer TeenNick in my house for long stretches and The Beav has been replaced by trash like DeGrassi High, which will not show on this TV ever.  Just the trailers for these pieces of crap like that and Gigantic or something (I think it describes one of the actresses) almost require an eyewash.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:46 | 1052440 Cdad
Cdad's picture

Good grief man...what the heck happened to you?  You are moaning about TeenNick on ZH? 

Did you suddenly grow a vagina or something?  I detect a deep disturbance in the force.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:57 | 1052472 Cursive
Cursive's picture

Was thinking same.  trav7777 definitely lost some e-cred with that slip.  The world is full of tough talking bitches.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:02 | 1052489 trav7777
trav7777's picture

uh...are you morons not smart enough to figure out who would be watching Teennick in my house?  Hint:  it AIN'T ME

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:00 | 1052677 Cursive
Cursive's picture

@ trav7777

are you morons not smart enough

I'm smart enough to figure out that you have an avatar that only a little bitch of a man like Eminem could be proud of and that you're not man enough to control your household.  My parting advice to you, travie, is try harder at being a man.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:04 | 1052499 trav7777
trav7777's picture

spoken by a man with no children and/or more than one television

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:34 | 1052583 Cdad
Cdad's picture

2 sons, 1 television.  Wrong and wrong.  I am just enough of a parent not to let them watch Teen Nick, bitch!

Go regrow a pair, would you?  Your whining is disconcerting.  Oh...and brush up on your rad knowledge...'cause we simpletons are going to need you to do the new calculation now that the reactors are actually on FUCKING FIRE!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:42 | 1052639 trav7777
trav7777's picture

i have to pick other battles than Timmy Turner and Ned's Declassified, honestly lol

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:45 | 1052644 Cdad
Cdad's picture

I'm pullin' for you, Trav.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:48 | 1052448 Bananamerican
Bananamerican's picture

True Trav.

My family stopped watching amerika's shit tv about 6 years ago...we get news from the interwebs nowadays BUT we've noticed that people seem to have CHANGED around us in that time.

We get the sense of (media induced?) cultural toxicity in our interactions with other people (who seem to be even more self absorbed, "flakier", selfish, decadent and just plain weird.

It's like the country is one giant Seinfeld episode... no one seems to like anyone else anymore, at least in SoCal.

Local news especially was jaw droppingly awful 15 years ago...I'd hate to see what it looks like now.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:02 | 1053201 Alienated Serf
Alienated Serf's picture

MOVE OUT OF SOCAL. duh.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:54 | 1052467 Cursive
Cursive's picture

@trav7777

I have to suffer TeenNick in my house

Doesn't sound like it's "your" house.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:06 | 1052507 trav7777
trav7777's picture

I have to fuckin feed them too, that mean it ain't my food?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:06 | 1053231 Alienated Serf
Alienated Serf's picture

I am shocked and appalled that someone would actually choose to reproduce with you.  here to hoping they aren't actually yours.

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:46 | 1053798 SilverRhino
SilverRhino's picture

Could be worse. Could be Ugly Betty.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:36 | 1052414 IQ 145
IQ 145's picture

 Sometimes I'm accidentally exposed when I visit the local tavern for a beer in the morning; but I ask politely for them to turn it off please. It's completely horrifying. I really think anyone who watched TV every day would have some serious mental problems.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:49 | 1052451 equity_momo
equity_momo's picture

The overwhelming majority of humans in the Developed World watch TV every day. The D.W is experiencing a mental and economic retardation of epic proportions. QED.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:39 | 1052424 Creed
Creed's picture

monoethnicity

RT or AJ

 

OK, I can see where you're coming from. You don't like white people running their own businesses in their own country, and you prefer to steer people to communist or Islamic news orgs.

Progressive, check.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:52 | 1052459 Bananamerican
Bananamerican's picture

Univision is run by whitey?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:16 | 1052758 Rodent Freikorps
Rodent Freikorps's picture

The new owners, a consortium of investors including another Los Angeles billionaire, Haim Saban, paid $36.25 a share to buy out Univision stockholders, taking the company private.

In June, four private equity firms -- Texas Pacific Group, Providence Equity Partners, Madison Dearborn Partners, Thomas H. Lee Partners -- and Saban Entertainment Group agreed to pay $13.7 billion for Univision, which includes the company's $1.4-billion debt.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/30/business/fi-univision30

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:07 | 1052508 aminorex
aminorex's picture

Where can one get communist news?  Cuba?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:22 | 1052997 Ahmeexnal
Ahmeexnal's picture

You can always tune in to Vuvuzelan TV to watch Chavez all day long.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:09 | 1052513 trav7777
trav7777's picture

white people?

Sorry, but media in the US is not dominated by whites, it is dominated by jews.

Idiot, checkmate

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:20 | 1052984 Ahmeexnal
Ahmeexnal's picture

Somebody ought to carve a swastika on your bald, fat, JPMorgan lackey head.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:21 | 1053628 pods
pods's picture

Is that before or after you disprove his assertion?

pods

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:44 | 1052433 Twindrives
Twindrives's picture

TV is best viewed in a landfill.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:01 | 1052488 Michael
Michael's picture

Yes, but we can abuse them by cherry picking the acceptable stuff and put it on the web.

MSNBC just showed the the Anon video to  A99 Operation Empire State Rebellion - Communication #1 and talked about the Bank of America leaks.

We are getting through to some of them.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 00:05 | 1053937 SilverBaron
SilverBaron's picture

They have to show some shit or it will be too obvious.  I realized that when I was watching the news regularly and saw nothing about sound cannons being used against Americans in Pittsburg, and flash mobs in Philly, something was wrong.  Sometimes they show the good stuff, but only during the day when most people aren't watching.  Prime time is reserved for Hollywood shit.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:42 | 1052193 andybev01
andybev01's picture

+3.14159265

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:55 | 1052250 Ethics Gradient
Ethics Gradient's picture

+ mashed potatoes

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:51 | 1052460 johnQpublic
johnQpublic's picture

...and young...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:34 | 1052402 IQ 145
IQ 145's picture

 Hey, that looks familiar. Is that how you square a circle, or something?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:12 | 1052742 spdrdr
spdrdr's picture

It looks a bit like a 12A or 13B rotor.

Japanese, of course.........

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:24 | 1052781 Jack Burns
Jack Burns's picture

Circular argument.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:57 | 1052242 Michael
Michael's picture

Wikileaks billboard going up in Los Angeles via supporters' pledges $3,800 of $4,300 needed, collected so far. Itwould be nice to see this go Viral all over the country. They have name recognition already that helps.

Support Wikileaks!
An outdoor billboard in Los Angeles, CA

http://epicstep.com/campaign/95/support-wikileaks/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:17 | 1052346 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

You're kidding, right?

Wikileaks is a psy-op. And all that money that's raised, will go to his lawyer, from a firm that just so happens to represent the Rothschild family.

So yeah, go right ahead and fight the good fight. Just don't be too surprised to discover that it is all rigged for maximum dis-infotainment value.

This is just another chapter of divide and conquer.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:31 | 1052385 Michael
Michael's picture

Now, Now, do not discount the laws of unintended consequences. Piggy back on the good things they have to offer and ignore the bad. You know we stole the GOP's money when they tried to astroturff the Tea Party movement in order to gain the upper hand for there establishment? The GOP failed and we infiltrated the establishment to our benefit. We will need a lot more good people in Washington to pick up the pieces when all is said and done.

Here is an example of one of our accomplishments;

Sen. Rand Paul on Consumer Choice in Energy Committee Hearing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELDHaeEsNF0

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:07 | 1052509 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

If it weren't for that part about "ignoring the bad," these unintended consequences could be quite useful.

As it stands however, ignoring the bad only works for people who want to break shit, which is why the divide and conquer paradigm works so well. Problem is, it doesn't provide a solid footing where anything can be fixed, as the solutions all come from flaws that preceded them.

While you see the election of Sen. Paul as a victory, so do the Ds.

The only battle ever won, is the one avoided. All others merely create different classes of losers, who set the stage for the next occurence. All that is accomplished is to strengthen the resolve of those who insist upon fighting.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:05 | 1052715 Michael
Michael's picture

I see a new paradigm emerging involving both sides of the divided masses where we are just now coming together to focus our efforts on the Fed, the banks, and Wall Street. Once the Hydra falls all other petty divides will diminish into obscurity.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:28 | 1052798 Ima anal sphincter
Ima anal sphincter's picture

Sorry Michael, I do enjoy the majority of your posts, but I'm going with NotApp on this one. Wikileaks and good-ol Alex Jones are funded and controlled by the same damn group that feeds us all the boob-tube BS. Even when you think your getting "another angle" or "the truth" YOU'RE NOT. Same thing with Beck, I absolutely love people who think they're "rebels" because they follow GB. Just more sheep to me.

Our brainwashing gets into every aspect of our thinking. Try to TOTALLY separate yourself from that crap. The REAL problem can be seen.....you just have to dig through the lies.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:07 | 1052928 Michael
Michael's picture

IAS, If you rate people and groups on a scale of "Your best interests at heart + Knowledge of the mechanics to make it so" on a scale from 1 to 10, I think we could arrive at at consensus of worthiness. Personal vested interests and ulterior motives in opposition to the common good always subtract points.

I would rate AJ an 8.5 where I would rate Max Keiser an 8. Max maintains the notion that public sector unions are good in opposition to my own beliefs. Max doesn't lose many points for that with me. Wikileaks gets a 6.5 for disappointment but still positive on the worthiness scale. My benchmark is Ron Paul who gets a 9.2 as opposed to Nancy Pelosi who gets a .001 just for being human, but that's debatable too.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:22 | 1053006 Ima anal sphincter
Ima anal sphincter's picture

Just call me asshole, I'm used to it. We're travelling to the same place, just on a different road. There is only ONE way to solve our problems. I can't say it and it ain't pretty. Unfortunately, we will all see it soon enough.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 22:17 | 1053295 Alienated Serf
Alienated Serf's picture

why can't you say it?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:26 | 1053659 Ima anal sphincter
Ima anal sphincter's picture

When you figure out that your government is your enemy, then you'll understand why I can't say it.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 23:18 | 1053617 pods
pods's picture

Yeah, that one way is BTFD.

And I dont mean buy the fucking dip.

Burn The Fucker Down.

pods

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:31 | 1052146 THE DORK OF CORK
THE DORK OF CORK's picture

All we need now is Betelgeuse to go supernova.

It would make for a pretty picture and take our minds off this terrestrial shit. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:36 | 1052158 Horatio Beanblower
Horatio Beanblower's picture

Were you watching the BBC last night?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:07 | 1052927 THE DORK OF CORK
THE DORK OF CORK's picture

No I was watching Betegeuse last night - that Brian something or other really pisses me off.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:47 | 1052212 malikai
malikai's picture

+1 Gamma ray burst.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:03 | 1052282 Quantum Nucleonics
Quantum Nucleonics's picture

Allow me to interject a dose of scientific reality here.  If Betelgeuse were to supernova, there would be absolutely no danger.  It's over 500 light years away.  A supernova would need to be no more than 20 - 50 light years away to pose any danger at all.  It would really need to be less than 10 light years to be truly dangerous.  There are no stars large enough to supernova within either distance.  The closest supernova candidate, and more likely to occur is IK Pegasi, about 150ly away.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:32 | 1052154 chet
chet's picture

This is beyond snark.  It's time to pray for Japan.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:39 | 1052167 RmcAZ
RmcAZ's picture

Prayer won't solve anything... if it worked so well, then the nuclear operators in the control room at the plant would be praying instead of trying to actually fix broken stuff.

That being said, I feel horrible for folks over there right now.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:47 | 1052220 tbd108
tbd108's picture

I pray that they fix it.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:52 | 1052244 VegasBD
VegasBD's picture

+alphaomega

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:57 | 1052260 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

reality = +1

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:16 | 1052540 Bob Dobbs
Bob Dobbs's picture

Good avatar.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:39 | 1052178 trav7777
trav7777's picture

really?  30x is not a big deal to be honest.  Check radiation exposure compared to background in radon houses or from chest Xrays.

If/when it starts going up orders of magnitude then start panicking.  Once steam venting stops and if the reactor core is not ejected, these levels will rather rapidly decline.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:08 | 1052303 still kicking
still kicking's picture

Not trying to be a dick here but an xray is a one time shot, the issue "could be" how long will those people be exposed to that level? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:33 | 1052155 bingaling
bingaling's picture

Here is the live geiger counter in tokyo for those who havent seen it. The counter has a reading of almost 20 cfm with the window closed (the guy opens the window during the day )

 

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82...

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:57 | 1052268 Ratscam
Ratscam's picture

Can we all come up with a common denominator please, or should we go back to Becquerel?

From now let's use Sievert units per hour to measure radiation.

Sorry for all the fatalist out there, you get more Sieverts on a LA-Tokyo flight than living in Tokyo for 5 years under these new levels.

Calm down have a drink and help your neighbors

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:33 | 1052407 trav7777
trav7777's picture

I'm still tryin to figure out wth was wrong w/ the roentgen, rem, and rad....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 18:55 | 1052471 Aductor
Aductor's picture

Agreed. Although disconcerting, it is hardly alarming. Yet. 

Since the dose is measured w r t gamma rays, 1 Gy = 1 Sv. So, even at 3024 nGy/h at Kounosu Naka, that amounts to 3024*10^-9 Sv /h*24 h *365 = 26 mSv/yr. In comparison, according to the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, the  ACGIH sets a limit of 20 mSv/yr (average over 5 yr) for radiation workers, 1 mSv/yr for the general public.

(http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/phys_agents/ionizing.html#_1_10)

I do hope they fix this. My thoughts go to the Japanese people.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:36 | 1052162 Trying to Understand
Trying to Understand's picture

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fh...

 

can anyone help me figure out what this is - it was sent to me with no explaination..

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:42 | 1052182 bingaling
bingaling's picture

Are those emails of people working on reactor 2 ? If so they are having a real hard time it seems

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 17:46 | 1052216 andybev01
andybev01's picture

or someone is puling your leg.

 

At least that's what I'm hoping it is.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!