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General Collateral At -0.002%: Lowest EVER, As Scramble Out Of Money Markets Hits Afterburner, Primes

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A few days ago we pointed out that special repo rates are now negative. Fine. How big is special collateral after all - in the grand scheme of things it is a tiny market. Well, as of today, General Collateral just hit -0.002, the lowest rate in the history of the series, and in our humble opinion this is a far more troubling indication of broad liquidity developments than the 1 month bill touching on -0.001%. Simply said, this confirms our speculation that there is now a massive rolling of funding out from money markets and into any market that will accept the maturing short term funding without it being rolled due to European contagion concerns. We said: "this latest move has unpleasant implications for money market managers, who unable to find yield in repo (0.01%?) will now be forced to look for higher yielding assets, and thus expose them to even more contagion risk once the house of cards falls, facilitating the "breakage of the buck" once again just like what happened in the aftermath of the Lehman catastrophe, and snarling all global fund flows, forcing the Fed to become liquidity provider of last resort." As of today, this prediction is well en route to being confirmed.

After we have been pounding the table on this threat for over a week, finally this topic has gotten sufficiently relevant that Bloomberg decided to dedicate an article to it:

Institutional investors pulled out of U.S. prime money market funds at the fastest pace in 15 months as they shifted assets to funds that invest only in U.S. government-backed securities.

Institutional funds eligible to buy corporate debt lost $39 billion to net withdrawals in the week ended June 28 and $75 billion in the past two weeks, according to data from research firm iMoneyNet in Westborough, Massachusetts. Institutional money funds that buy only U.S. government-backed securities gathered $27 billion in net deposits

The logic for the scramble out of money funds is as expected: Europe.

The European sovereign debt crisis has raised concern that prime money market funds may suffer losses if sovereign defaults cause big banks to fail to meet obligations. Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou today clinched enough votes to pass the first part of an austerity plan aimed at meeting European Union aid requirements and staving off default for his debt- laden nation.

A Greek default would pose a potential threat to money funds because they have lent to European banks that, in turn, have lent to Greece and other heavily indebted European countries. U.S. money funds eligible to buy corporate debt had about $800 billion, or half their assets as of May 31, in securities issued by European banks, Fitch Ratings estimated.

And yes, it is a big move:

The $39 billion withdrawal was the most pulled from prime institutional funds in one week since investors took $42 billion out in the week ended March 16, 2010.

What is surprising is that in a closed-end liquidity system, the excess money market funds, which have certainly gone into repo, have so far not invested one cent into equity markets, and instead have pushed aggressively into general fixed income: the same product  which for the past 2 weeks has seen dramatic pain courtesy of one after another worse auction and a general blowing out of the curve now that everyone is wondering how soon before Bill Gross is finally proven right.

Per ICI, domestic equity funds saw an outflow of $4.3 billion in the week ended June 22: the 9th consecutive week of outflows, during which time mutual funds were met with $27 billion of redemptions. Is there any wonder the Fed would do everything in its power to push the market higher at the end of the month and prevent a redemption-driven liquidation drop in the market, facilitated by near record NYSE margin debt?

Is it time to start guessing who will break the buck first?

For those asking, here is a long-term chart of GC:

 


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Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:44 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Seems Hyperinflationary which is bullish.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:17 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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I have some 401k bucks in money market right now (100% actually). I have a genuine question: if my options are equities, bonds, reits, or money markets, do I really have a better option?

I have pretty much accepted that the paper empire is going to divide by zero at some point, so figured this was my best chance to minize losses during the turmoil phase. I will go into equities at some point, but only if stocks completely tank.

Would be interested in constructive thoughts on the subject.

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:32 | Link to Comment Montecarlo
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I have the same poor choice.  Finally received an offer at a new employer.  I'll be cashing out part of that 401K this year - screw it, maybe the whole damn thing!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Thomas
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If you can, go to treaury-backed money market funds. The current standard MMF pays you nothing for the risk--absolutely zero. James Grant has been crystal clear on this point this week.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:36 | Link to Comment redpill
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That's the problem with 401ks, your options tend to be restricted if its a company plan.  if it's an independent 401k under a corporation you own or something, then that is a different story, though.  There is 401k eligible precious metals but they'll probably figure out a way to hose you on that.  If you can get an independent broker involved I like the concept of getting some of the money overseas in non-US dollar currencies that are more likely to appreciate and in companies that are stable, profitable, and provide a good dividend.  That way even if you don't get capital appreciation out of the stock, you get dividend income in an appreciating currency and you can do OK.

Otherwise I might think about pulling back on your contributions until it becomes more clear what the hell is going to happen in the near term.  If anyone tells you they know with certainty, run the other way.

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:26 | Link to Comment macholatte
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...currencies that are more likely to appreciate and in companies that are stable, profitable, and provide a good dividend...

Give me my robe, put on my crown; I have Immortal longings in me.
William Shakespeare

Well sure, it comes complete with diagrams on page 47 of how to be a detective in 10 easy lessons correspondent school textbook and uh, your father offered me a drink.
-- Philip Marlowe

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:41 | Link to Comment optionswriter
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He might be able to buy CYB (Chinese) AUD (Aussie) etc. etf's to get exposure to foreign currencies.  (Not a recommendation of course.  You need to do your own homework.) 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 21:03 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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I actually went through all ... 18 prospectuses or there abouts ... in actuality I have four choices as listed. They present them as more options, but there aren't really. By this I mean I got 6 options that are all similar blends of equities and bonds, or I got all bonds, or I got all govvies, or some reits. Like that.

I don't have a lot in (I cashed out when I moved) so just accumulation since Feb. That doesn't preclude me from paying attention though.

As long as money market doesn't book a permanent loss, I am happy, but if money markets are about to book some haircuts, I don't want any of that.

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:35 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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If you're talking a small amount of your overall wealth in your 401K, it makes as much sense as anything else.  But if *most* of your money is in a 401K, you'd be well-served to cash some out, tax-penalty be damned, and put it into a commodity of real value.

If you've already got 25% of your wealth in physical PMs, then maybe leaving another X% in paper is a good idea.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:39 | Link to Comment dcb
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no, you fing trade it. keep it in.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:47 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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When you're talking about paper, "liquidity" is another way of saying "can be lost instantly."

Fing sht dchbg.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:43 | Link to Comment BoNeSxxx
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I have a genuine question: if my options are equities, bonds, reits, or money markets, do I really have a better option?

Yes.  It's called an Open Opportunity IRA.  Do it now before the assholes kill it.  It's legit and and it makes complete sense.

You open a LLC and then register with a custodian.  There are companies that will help with all of it for a small fee (most of it payable by the LLC).  Once funded (with your own $$$), you can invest it (as manager of the LLC) in pretty much anything you want -- Gold, Silver, Land, etc...

As I have posted here in the past, my IRA now owns acres of beautiful farm land with a crystal clear spring delivering over 100 GPM of potable water.

I like that much better than FRNs, MMs, or any vehicle traded by the ass clowns on Wall St.

If anyone wants more info, you can hit me up at myusername@gmail.com

Peace,

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 21:04 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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My contributions are mandatory, otherwise I wouldn't be putting any in at all. My choices are very restricted, so nothing other than the 18 flavors presented.

I figured out the scam that 401ks are at my last job when I needed cash badly during divorce. My money wasn't mine!

I do save PMs on the side, with left over savings, am working on a small pile of emergency cash, and have a calorie stash to boot. Nothing huge mind you, but gotta start somewhere!

Thanks all for the feedback.

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:57 | Link to Comment hambone
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Hey Coot - I'm in same spot as you...not sure of your situation but I'm of the mind nobody knows how this will play out so I'm figuring best to have a diversified portfolio, so use the 401k part as the equity or bond or MM holding portion (fucked up paper part that I have to admit could do well in many circumstances whether I believe in it or not). 

Beyond that I hold 6 months worth of cash and 1yrs worth of PM's - beyond that I look at multi family rentals w/ enough down to be cash flow positive). 

Right or wrong, I don't know but I'm sleeping better w/ a more hedged outlook.

Plus, nothing beyond checking acct in bank.

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:04 | Link to Comment hambone
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BTW - would be nice if ZH had a defcon (or multiple opinions) of defcon warnings available.  Hard to keep days after days dire warnings and dire structural issues in perspective. 

Serious, some kind of "advanced economic tsunami" warning (1-7) or whatever would be helpful...nobody's gonna hold you to it but some gauge to help understand is it time to pull what's left from the bank, is it time to load the shotgun, is it time to load the car, is it time to drink another G&T and laugh while we watch the bullshit circus?

On a 1-7 scale...where do people (smart people...wall street economists ruled out) think we are???  4? 6? 6.9? 7.1?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Misstrial
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Good idea, but for now, you'd have to subscribe to an investment newsletter in order to get those warnings.

2 days ago, Larry Edelson of Uncommon Wisdom sent out an alert telling subscribers to get out of MMMF and gave us a list saying that if we had any positions in these funds to get out now.

Here is part of his alert:

"The venerable James Grant of Grant's Interest Rate Observer recently published an article confirming what I suspected all along: Money Market Mutual Funds, or MMMFs, are plowing tons of their investors' money into European banks and securities in search of higher yields.

Never mind the fact that they're picking up, at best, one more basis point of yield (.01) for their investors — enough to double your principal in 6,931.8 years — they're taking on huge lop-sided risks investing in Europe's banks, just as the European sovereign debt crisis is starting to pick up momentum.

Grant cites the five largest money market mutual funds, which hold a total of about $230 billion of customer funds. An average of 41% of their assets are invested in Europe.

That's insane. When Europe goes down the tubes, which it will, that money is at risk, big time. And even if Europe doesn't totally meltdown, the euro is sure to get annihilated in the months ahead. So the currency risk alone could cause these funds to inflict some pretty heavy losses on their depositors.

The five money market mutual funds Grant cites are ...

 Fidelity Cash Reserves (FDRXX)

 Vanguard Reserve Prime (VMRXX)

 Fidelity Inst. Prime MM Portfolio (FIPXX)

 Fidelity Inst. Money Market Portfolio (FNSXX)

 BlackRock Liquidity TempFund (TMPXX)

If you own any of these money market funds, just get the heck out. Period."

~Misstrial

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:48 | Link to Comment hambone
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Thanks -

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 21:30 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Ohhh, this is good (bad) stuff. My MM is State Street, but my fear was exactly what you just said was happening. I don't want a return at this point, I just don't want a haircut. I first started getting nervous when I saw BruceK post on this subject.

Here is what I am saddled with (bulk of each option):

  • Russel 3000
  • 87% large cap stock / 10% small cap stock
  • 71% small cap stock / 21% mid cap stock
  • 100% non US stock
  • 100% non US stock
  • 30% t-note / 36% corp bond / 10% t-bond / 10% fed agency bond
  • 71% t-bond / 17% fed agency bond / 6% t-bond
  • 100% treasury
  • 99% TIPS
  • 99% non US govvie bonds
  • 95% SIC (sythetic investment contracts)
  • 100% t-bills
  • 100% reit
  • 43% us stocks / 35% cash / 11% non US stocks / 10% bonds (2010 target)
  • <<bunch of date targets inbetween>>
  • 72% us stocks / 18% non US stocks / 10% bonds (2055 target)

I am for sure going to reallocated tommorrow. I guess my next best safe bet is one of the bulk US Treasury funds, but not sure I have an opinion beyond that. Anyone have thoughts on treasury blend versus t-bills versus tips?

UPDATE: It looks like my MM is 100% t-bills, so I think I am going to stand pat. I should have looked closer before posting but I was hacking in the data ...

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Misstrial
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Please see my post below re GICs. imo, T-bills and short-term Treasuries are OK.

~Misstrial

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 05:02 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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  Thanks cooter. keep up the good work. Can we keep it horizontal please/via trend lines and candles/?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Remember that DEFCON is about providing a state of readiness.

This week and the first two days of next week should definitely be considered DEFCON 2.

No doubt about that.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:04 | Link to Comment unununium
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Move it to an all-equity option, and buy an offsetting $ amount of SH in your IRA.

Rebalance occasionally.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Misstrial
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My MMMF switched out from lending to euro banks to investing in U.S.-based insurance contracts - synthetic GICs and traditional GICs.

~Misstrial

 

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Dont Stop the C...
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I read in a ZH article that 44% of Money Market Funds are invested in European Banks.  I'd be getting the heck out of anything associated with European Banks right now.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 20:02 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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My wife and I cashed-out, took the hit, and put the proceeds into PMs.  We were back in the black within a year and now are miles ahead of where we would have been had we left the money in the market.

It was a little stressful at first - but we never regretted our decision.   

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Enceladus
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CC,

Your money market is provided by a mutual fund company. Go pull the prospectus and see if you can find what your exposure maybe. i.e what are the underlying investments. Money markets generally invest is very short term, highly liquid paper, but they have latitude in the specifics. In 2008, the 65 billion, Reserve Primary Fund 'broke the buck', that is it fell in price from $1.00 NAV when a $785 million investment it had Lehman's went to zero. 

Besides how the money market is invested is the issue of systemic liquidity, which is why the FED/Tres/FDIC stepped in to guarantee money market funds in '08 preventing a run on the banks. If the banks won't lend and everyone pulls their money, funds can freeze withdrawals for up to 7 days. This potential of a liquidity freeze is the second reason some are concerned about Europe's banks.

~Linda Green

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 21:25 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Oh, I should have looked closer when I posted earlier with my list of options ... it looks like my MM is 100% t-bills. They list 87% of the allocation (I just ten keyed it) which are all t-bills for May/June (as of March this year). I suppose it is possible they changed the allocation. I will have to double check, but if I can't confirm anything, I may just stick with what I got.

Thanks for your response!

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 09:14 | Link to Comment ThirdCoastSurfer
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I'm no financial advisor, but if your risk tolerance level is money market then you have no choice but to sit in cash or other low risk and wait until inflation or hyperinflation or some other factors raise the interest rates. To do anything else will risk getting caught in a situation where your riskier investment is at a negative return at just the point that the interest rates become attractive and to dump one in favor of another will leave you in a hole that negates the positive effect of an increasing interest rate.  

It isn't what your balance is today or in 5 years, it's what you'll have beginning when you reach age 59.5. It's not that you'll have enough to retire on a yacht but to retire "comfortably" and that is the function that interest rates play in the first place. 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:23 | Link to Comment anti Oligarchy
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Speaking of Hyperinflation, I think its time for another round of Inflating the ZeroHedge bank account.

 

This is the type of information, dialogue, and general anit Cartel activity we need to support.

What better use for worthless dollars than to support Tyler's gold habit?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 23:30 | Link to Comment mortiis
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good call... i've been advocating to my friends/family for a while that we should pull our money out of wall st and invest locally, or in causes we believe in (after saving "enough")... i haven't donated to ZH in a bit.  read it every day and this is a "cause i believe in."

time to put my money where my mouth is!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:29 | Link to Comment tao400
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That's exactly what I was wondering. I was literally about to go buy some dividend producing stocks like intc and boeing because of this. Anyone have an answer as to what they think is safe now.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 21:34 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Just commenting off the cuff, but the only thing that is safe during a tsunami is only knowable in retrospect. If TSHTF in financial markets again, I think there are going to be lots of surprises with regards to what isn't standing when the waters recede.

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Hyperinflation cant happen, no one can afford it, americans are bankrupt.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 00:09 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Hyperinflation won't happen, but that's not why.  Our current saving grace is we have no competing form of exchange.

(No one can ever afford it when it comes.)

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:40 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Tyler,

iF anyone could explain

This upward movement in the indexes is just a window dressing? (Its typical the last week of any quarter?)

Thanks,

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:46 | Link to Comment 101 years and c...
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he already answered your question:

"Is there any wonder the Fed would do everything in its power to push the market higher at the end of the month and prevent a redemption-driven liquidation drop in the market, facilitated by near record NYSE margin debt?"

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:52 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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the hedgies are probably doing some of that to lessen redemptions. also, dumb pension money will be pouring in on friday and monday, so they are front running that. booyah!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:57 | Link to Comment statlawyer
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if it is window dressing it's unusual. I got a free moment at work today and looked back at the end of quarters for the last couple of years. The last week of each quarter is normally flat to down from what I can tell...

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:02 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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yeah but paulson had that fraudcap thing and bill miller et al were heavy into the flagging financials. desperation.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment statlawyer
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hope you're right. S&P needs to finish out the right side of its shoulder already. I'm getting raped in my short positions, but I know the instant I cover it will all go back down...

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:15 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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here's hoping for a bloodbath in july.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:48 | Link to Comment youngman
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The politicians...the bankers..the money fund guys....they have to print this stuff away....that is their only option of survival...if the people have a choice..they would rather default...take the pain..and get on with life...we are close to a total breakdown I think...the Greeks will riot until it destroys their country...then the other chips fall...Spain has hidden debt...I am sure italy does too...and the US banks say they only have 41 billion exposed...yeah right...I be GS is talking right now to get all their CDS covered again by the Feds like their AIG ones...first in line for the bailouts...hang in their boys...we got problems coming up..

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:06 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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the US banks say they only have 41 billion exposed...yeah right

Yes, this is why the Fed has decided it was necessary to stuff the excess reserve acconts with $1.6 Trillion.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 20:03 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"his name is Sudden Debt" and absolutely Europe is hiding trillions of it.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:50 | Link to Comment Arch Duke Ferdinand
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Reasons Why Canada Should Close Its Border and Trade to the USA ...

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/06/reasons-canad...

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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This week looks like a nice EOQ window dressing ceremony.  Expect things to break down on Friday with an ISM print below 50.  

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Boston
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Yup.

And it's the FIRST day after the end of QE2.

Getchya popcorn ready!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:38 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Here, here.  I'm tempted to take a day off work just so I can pay closer attention. 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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This means that holding cash FRNs have no opportunity cost...

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Hank Paulson
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just picked up some V stock after hours, is there any real chance I can lose, I mean, come on!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Boy, and this all kicks off with Greece initially accepting externally imposed austerity terms and passing initial legislation codifying it?

Not only is the acceptance not a done deal in Greece, but PIIGS+UK is still lurking.

Zero Hedge had an article about major waves on all things Italy the past couple of days.

...some Italy, a little Spain, a dash of Portugal, throw in some Ireland again, plus maybe England for good measure, and voila!

Let the voilatility ensue!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:02 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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and Belgium.  There is so much going on, the ruling class must be doing everything they can to just act normal, wing it and hope it works out.  In my lifetime I've never witnessed so many storms lurking

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Highrev
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Can you say red herring?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Version 7
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Add to the fact that Belgium has a small problem with the coherence of the country at the moment and the prospect that it might break into two halves that speak different languages. Maybe they can then claim "odious debt" and the creditors knew the place could break apart..

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment tradebot
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Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Cow
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Which money market fund is safe these days?  Just for some idle cash that you might need.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:06 | Link to Comment hambone
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Safe???  There is no safe...just safer.  Safer is cash in a safety deposit box or like (no reason to keep anything beyond cash for checking in a bank).  Safest is likely the money market fund that's in physical gold / silver / anything in your possession.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 20:14 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Hell with cash in a safe deposit box, real safety is an AR in the closet with 10 loaded magazines.

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Jack Napier
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1. Food storage, garden, water purifier (1 million oz)
2. Reliable transportation. 4x4 + cycle. You can run diesel off fast food grease if you have to.
3. Guns and ammo. Remington or Mossberg at minimum. Saiga preferred.
4. As much silver as you can carry, hidden in a safe place.
5. Anything else you think you'll need; first aid kits, flammables, generator, etc, etc.

Of course knowledge trumps all of these.

There is no safety in the paper game, especially not the insolvent SLV or GLD full of 400 oz gold plated tungsten bars.. well, just the ones India didn't buy from the IMF already that is. It's obvious that the system is rigged from top to bottom, and there is nothing safe other than tangible assets that people will need for survival.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Farcical Aquati...
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The firm of Underyour Mattress has some good options.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:44 | Link to Comment macholatte
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The firm of Underyour Mattress has some good options.

Now think that through.... Had you put all your "investable" money in your mattress, bank safe, house safe, coffee can buried in the back yard (whatever) over the past 20 years you would have missed out on all the stock market crashes and the real estate crash and the bank failures and the brokerage failures and all the bubbles and bangles and bullshit. You'd still have principal and your kid's college fund would still be there. Maybe, if you were really, really brilliant, you might have put just 10% of that into silver dollars. You sleep well ever night. Minimal risk. The mattress wins ever time.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Farcical Aquati...
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No fees.  Easy to extract.  Just make sure it's somewhere fire-proof.  But with the way central banks are creating digi-dollars these days, that's fire enough to burn cash.  No matches needed.  Now if you had put the money in a gold-plated safe...

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Cow
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Wanted: Non-smartass answer once in a while

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:32 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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Sorry, this Nation is beocoming less safe by the month, you do well to look to your own safety at home and that of your family. The "Street" is not going to do that for you.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:43 | Link to Comment Farcical Aquati...
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I think a lot of people (including myself) are looking for the same answer.  For a while I thought we'd get a market crash to scare people into putting their retirement funds into some newly-created US debt option.  But now I'm wondering if they'll just try to flush the MM money there if/when they start breaking the buck. Or maybe we'll wake up and all MM money will have been forced into some US debt option "for our protection".  Bottom line, I don't think too many on this site currently think of MM's as "safe".  And that's why we're sarcastic.  But I'm always open to other opinions.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Cow
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It's all relative as far as safety. I'm thinking a US Treasury backed MM is safer these days than a Prime MM account.

Corporate Bonds or US Treasuries short term.

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:31 | Link to Comment hambone
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See Misstrial's response above...citing Grant's article, more about what MMMF's not to be in than what to be in.  Leaves me in a quandry as I've money stuck in a 401k and view the MMMF as the safest option available to me (all others are Bond or long equity high risk stuff).

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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transitory, bitchez. but i'm not waiting around - i'm moving MMF into short term treasuries like BIL (ETF).

 

What is surprising is that in a closed-end liquidity system, the excess money market funds, which have certainly gone into repo, have so far not invested one cent into equity markets...

 

That part I don't understand; how do you know it's not going into equities (especially this week)?

 

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:47 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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There are MMAs that are essentially checking/saving accounts insured up to the $250,000 FDIC limits.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment ouchtouch
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That would be the FDIC that will be insolvent in the event of any serious banking crisis?

Non-IRA cash is safer in treasurydirect.com.  IRA/401k cash in shortest term US government bill ETF/fund available.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Hank Paulson
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Try the gold shop for some 100 oz. silver bars

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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i only buy ten pound gold bars. lol

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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Hello Hank! nice to meet you here, I love this site, too - but I mainly look Banzai's documentary images, most of the articles are too complicated. How is your wife? The dinner recently was fantastic. Ah, BTW, it is me, Larry Summers.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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what was that perfect rectangle in 2005 (in the GC long term)? An early VLFT (very low frequency trading) algo?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment achmachat
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missing data / charting bug

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:04 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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"higher yielding assets" ?

An extinct form of life these days.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Mike2756
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I thought we were saved!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:17 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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I suspect the one more follow through day with the banking sector and everyone will start draining their money market accounts and pile into stocks.

I stand by my prediction that the smartphone and tablet revolution will be essential tools to get the sheep back into stock speculation like we had back in 1998 - 1999.

At the end of this run, most will be bragging about how much money they are making "on the side" by buying stocks from their E-trade accounts with their iPads.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Highrev
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I think the technicals indicate that the higher probability scenario is a retest of lows (minimum) first.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:51 | Link to Comment bbq on whitehou...
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Money markets have nothing to do with people and everything to do with bureaucracy. Its not the little fish that blow up the world is the highly leveraged banks that do.

Ipads, e-trade accounts? Really, you are smarter then this. Others may give you a hard time but momo trading can make you money if you open early and close fast.

Thats not what happens in money market accounts they are used as cash accounts for day to day expenses. MM are not used to make money or invest its the safe money.  You kill safe money, you kill everything that is less safe, just like in 08.

 

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 20:14 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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this is what money markets are suppose to be.  "safe."  when i percieved liquidity drying up from 2008 to present i fled to nat gas in the form of companies that produce, distribute and use.  there are very few dedicated actually.  "slow and steady wins the race."  there are what we call the "extremes" but in Wall Street parlance "in their world extreme when it comes to money is normative" namely:  "Darwin will win and therefore so will I."  To me it's madness--but it has a long history to it as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvG_fZ2-H2A&feature=player_detailpage

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:22 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
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Exchange Stabilization Fund actively propping up the market!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:29 | Link to Comment tao400
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this is serious

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:25 | Link to Comment zorba THE GREEK
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 You guys are all wrong with your predictions of gloom. I watch CNBC and they

 all say this bad stuff is only temporary. The DOW will be 14000 by years end.

 Don't any of you listen to Kramer and Kudlow? I also hear they are going to

 have a new weather segment where everyday's forecast will be 80 and sunny

 with light breezes and low humidity. 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Highrev
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If I go by what the original analysis was, this has ZILCH to do with Europe, and everything to do with the FDIC:

For nearly two years banks collected the proverbial pennies in front of the rollercoaster... until last Friday, when the FDIC decided to spoil the party. What happened as a result of the FDIC's decision to establish an assessment rate which spoiled the arb, was a blow out for most institutions playing the IOER-GC carry trade leading to a major disruption in this funding market, possibly far more serious than the FX carry trade unwind, and a plunge in overnight GC repo rates on Monday (see chart) by over 75%! Does this mean banks have lost one key carry funding source? So it would appear.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/will-repo-reserve-carry-trade-blow-force-bernanke-pull-liquidity-and-kill-stock-market-rally

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:32 | Link to Comment bbq on whitehou...
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Money markets are the meal ticket they are the foundation. Negative is not good but its not a run. Yet.

If we start getting draw downs in money market funds the market will be next.

So who could or would draw down money market funds? Swap lines are open across the board with the Fed. Japan could pull in its liquidity but so far its silence. If Japan opens swaps with the Fed then you know they are getting strapped for credit.

Who need credit so badly that they are willing to set fire to the world?

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Highrev
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Precisely. Japan.

Or, maybe that ought to be the United States of America . . .

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:37 | Link to Comment bbq on whitehou...
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Libya? Someone needs credit and they dont have direct swap lines open. Who? that is the question.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:41 | Link to Comment BennyBoy
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-0.002 is nothing when the inflation rate in the US is around 5.002% to 7.002%.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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But, but,... Greek Parliament passed austerity bill, so everything is fine.  Crisis averted.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment monopoly
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It takes time for all the pieces to come together. We see the "big picture", but until it matters, well is just does not. Think we have a way to go on the upside before it ends in the burning of Rome, Greece, Dublin, Madrid, or whoever. Tough to short outside of a day or two, and the momo crowd will keep pushing until it is over.

And when it all comes down on one Sunday night and opens into a bidless market, then lets see the "brilliant ones" get out of AMZN PCLN, TZOO, CMG, CME, and CRM with their profits. Splatt!

Good luck Robot. Not for me.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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You're assuming that the stock market reflects the real economy. It hasn't since 2009. It reflects the health of the TBTF financials which in tun reflect the prospect of ongoing monetary expansion. 

I guarantee you a market crash if the Fed indicates it will stop monetary expansion. They know better now. 

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:23 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Attn: monopoly

The market has shaken off the worst news ever with bond spreads blowing out all over the place in Europe, SHIBOR rates to the moon yet all we have managed is a paltry 8% correction.

I'd say the market's resilience is second to none and you must wonder what happens when news gets better.

Not only that, every company has been warning and lowering guidance and soon we will be back in earnings season with the "better than expected" nonsense and stocks could take off again based on low expectations.

Economies don't stay in recessions forever and this is the longest one I remember so it is only a matter of time before things get better and then the bears will really be in a quandry as to what to do if TEOTWAKI fails to arrive.

Poor guys like Jim Sinclair would have invested huge in pigs, chickens, gardens, farm equipment, huge underground storage, etc. for nothing.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:52 | Link to Comment hambone
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Economies don't stay in recessions forever and this is the longest one I remember so it is only a matter of time before things get better and then the bears will really be in a quandry as to what to do if TEOTWAKI fails to arrive

Robo - might try googling Japan lost decade(s) and Great Depression...luckily there's no correlations from present to either of those situations as we've made great strides from '01 and '08 to deal w/ our structural and debt issues unlike those mentioned above<sarc>

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 01:26 | Link to Comment hungarianboy
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I have to agree with Robo here.

Things don't seem to crack. And he's right. The time Earning Season comes, ohw boy we could see a huuuge rally indeed as he described.

A jewish guy once told me. 

" You can either be right, or rich " 

Just think about it.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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Is this why everyone is buying physical silver, gold, etc....?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:18 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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I can assure you that people are getting sick and tired of earning nothing in their bank accounts and CD's.  We hear it every day from our corporate customers begging for better interest rates on their deposits.  Most of the big California banks finally caved in and will be offering a whopping 10 basis points on all Reg. Q accounts.

You would be amazed at the amount of cash sitting around, these CEO's are scared to death to spend or invest any of it.  Eventually the news of stocks soaring like V and MA did today will start getting people's attention and a lot of this money will be fleeing the safe accounts and piling back into Merrill Lynch, Schwab, Vanguard, etc.

It is the bank's worst nightmare, we are enjoying free funding costs from all this scared money laying around, but eventually it is going to be used for speculation and we will lose our 45-year record low funding costs.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment hambone
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I think CEO's, CFO's (off Wall St.) and the like are too well versed now to throw in recklessly w/ the newest expectations for leveraged growth...Growth, sure, but measured and paced (nice and safe)...particularly when they can see a very cleeeear mismatch of strong corporate picture premised on a macro world wide government funding problems and the potential implications (Rumsfeldian known knowns, uknown unknowns, yada) that could hit them and quickly (so many landmines out there right now and no idea when we'll hit one and how severe the damage). 

I think your scenario is more likely for the general investor but even there, folks are mighty leary of this whole game now and now understand now what they didn't in '07...RISK is very inherent to the game and big brother is unlikely to be able to put humpty dumpty back together again if / when he falls again.

Absent willingness to leverage up at all levels, your bull market in equities will have a tough time due to a sputtering economy that just can't start firing up again...and leverage is premised on greed and confidence.  Greed, sure but I don't see the confidence.

BTW - todays jump in V and MA is exactly why CEO's are even more worried that their profits and business models are capricious and at the whim of congress (a congress painting itself into a corner)...not bullish.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:31 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Amazed at the amount of cash sitting around? Not really. That was the goal of the Fed's gargantuan interventions since the 1980s, but especially since 2008. And yes, preservation of capital in a deflationary environment takes precedence over yield or risk. That's why they're not lending it or investing it. 

But now they're worrying about erosion of the value of their cash through inflation (biflation really). The smart ones know that if they're having a tough time in this environment so are the other companies. Margins are getting squeezed, consumer behavior is changing and the future is less than predictable. 

So it will be preservation of capital is king because the winner will be the last soldier left standing as consumers get stingy and change their behavior and the unfolding story of the world financial crisis plays itself out with lots of unpleasant surprises still to come. 

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment BORT
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I know a CFO in a large company that had to weather a blow through of five layers of liquidity in 2008.  Think he wants that again, or even slightly trusts the 20 somethings on Wall Street who throw out H bombs like we're impressed

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:31 | Link to Comment Sutton
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I have all of my money in coffee futures.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:55 | Link to Comment jm
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Tyler:

Can't the Fed could just open the discount window to any business with a pulse, just like the BOJ did?

Their bullshit has pretty much killeld the viability of MMMFs anyway.  This is just the logical central planning conclusion.

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Cow
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Bernanke needs a crisis to start QE3.  He needs to create one.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:18 | Link to Comment chump666
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Yes good post.  That is why a slew of banks in Europe were against the austerity vote, the pressure on repo money rates is looking dire.

Lock in liquidity crisis soon, three day meltups are 100% a bulltrap. 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Hyperinflation is coming to the world, believe me.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 20:02 | Link to Comment russwinter
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Money Market Funds, Run Don't Walk

http://www.wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/?p=3994

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 20:43 | Link to Comment DavidDavid
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I love reading all these "doom & gloom" comments.  You people are so paranoid.  Hyperinflation is such a joke.  It will never happen.  The "doom & gloom" crowd has been predicting hyperinflation since Reagan tripled our national debt in the 1980s.  That was 30 years ago and still there is no hyperinflation.  Not even close.  Like I said many times before, if things are so terrible, gold would be $10,000 per ounce.  Gold has risen $700 in the past 31 years.  Gee, I'm shaking in my boots worrying about hyperinflation.  How funny!

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Everything is fine, invest in equities and muni's.

No problems here, just like 2007, and 1999.

Where did I leave that stogie and my paid date?

Shit.  She's flirting with the bartender, better flash my GS I.D. card...

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 21:57 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Short version:  "Give us our money now you MOFO's, we have NO TRUST."

 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 22:16 | Link to Comment FranSix
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A negative discount rate presages a crash. It's only a question of just how much of it was priced in beforehand. It's been more than 70 years this will have occurred in money markets, nobody knows exactly what to do.

I would say that the gold futures market, which was just slammed shut to small traders by Dodd-Frank is the money-market vehicle that ppl might be looking for.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 22:43 | Link to Comment A Cruel Accountant
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Do not put cash into MM. If possible use it to pay off some of your debt. No risk there.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Sounds like a toilet flush to me.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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duplicate post

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 01:21 | Link to Comment hungarianboy
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Well, as long as the markets don't fall just go long I'd say.

Who cares? we're above 1300 again, EU is surging, Silver and gold are getting a snap back,

Going against the tide is blowing your account. by the time the house of cards collapse I go short.

Until then, better to go with the flow and dance. I don't need to be at the top. Will blow your account anyway.

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