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Get Your Convergence Hats Out

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Time to short the ES, long the AUDJPY. With nothing except momentum (and grotesquely mutated at that) working right now, the recent batch of horrible news only managed to push stocks about 8 points rich to intrinsic. It seems the beta chasing levered play is getting exponential, with corerlation desks now applying multiple of leverage to underlying correlations that were not there before, explaining the disproportionate surge in the ES compared to the move in AUDJPY. Which is why for those willing to test out today's increasingly broken market, the time to put today's FX-risk convergence trade on is now.

P.S. Whatever you do, don't look at the massacre happening right now over in EURCHF land.

 

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Tue, 08/31/2010 - 10:49 | 555125 jbc77
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Failry big gap there. I'm in like flynn baby!!!!

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 10:50 | 555126 kathy.chamberli...
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HI and good morning tyler. thanks for the update. euro/swiss franc right?

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:06 | 555171 themosmitsos
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Wow you do lots of acid. Gonna crack that whip, and no,never CHEAP leather, jeez

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:16 | 555196 kathy.chamberli...
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WHAT. don't put words in my mouth. cause i am really me, with my real name. unlike everybody else on this site. i own my words. don't do acid. i wouldn't do very well under that influence, so don't say that or write that. crack some whip, maybe. no i don't really do CHEAP anything. not worth the money. go away.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:50 | 555276 themosmitsos
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Hey,a) first part of comment: a joke. B) second part of comment referring to a comment you made to me several days ago. ok? Chill :)

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 19:12 | 556493 kathy.chamberli...
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OK JOKES are good. laugh at yourself, even better. hey i am doing pretty well with no delete button and just my command X. girls best friend.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 10:52 | 555132 jbc77
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Funny you should mention the eur/chf.....just looked at it before refreshing ZH page and seeing this post.

Thats been a 24 hour bloodbath. When will the SNB step up and get hammered?

 

 

 

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:57 | 555288 mephisto
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No until they see deflation cuting into swissie prices and spending habits. Ie not for technical reasons. Have heard 1.27, 1.25. i think its all bullshit, they are gone until economic data - not price levels - forces them to come back. Could be a while.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 10:53 | 555133 hedgeless_horseman
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Free money, bitches!!!!!!!!

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 10:55 | 555139 yabs
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what a complete f*cking joke thgis market is

you would stand  better odds at black Jack in LV

Really if they keep this up , I give up

there really is zero justice in this world if that happens

we now have a triple bottom/bounce at the 1040 level with stocks going to 1050 or more in MINUTES. This is trueely a broken market

where is the SEC? Where are the handcuffs

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:10 | 555176 whereismyorange
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I've got the handcuffs ...

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Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:17 | 555208 kathy.chamberli...
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you got quite a bright orange, bitch.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:31 | 555235 Rusty Shorts
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Kathy, you need to chill out baby.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 19:16 | 556501 kathy.chamberli...
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W H Y ?

SHORTY i like you, you read my rhythms. but , why do i need to be told to

c h i l l  out.
i am pretty chilled, honestly. can't find a more chilled bitch still alive then/than me.

Wed, 09/01/2010 - 07:19 | 557157 kathy.chamberli...
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well honest, shorty, i some times think your playin me. to the hilt.

hilt |hilt|
noun
the handle of a weapon or tool, esp. a sword, dagger, or knife.

successful though, mind U.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 10:56 | 555142 Crispy
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Short ES last day of August coming into the holiday weekend? I`ll take a pass....

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:09 | 555175 Eric Cartman
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These usually converge in a day. If it was Thursday or Friday maybe you would have a point.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:04 | 555166 crosey
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Is there ever a scenario when /ES sets the pace and the pair follows?

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:05 | 555169 jal
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Can a computer be made to love another number beside Dow 10,000 and S&P 1050?

It's a strange attractor!

jal

 

 

 

 

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:09 | 555177 Eric Cartman
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We've got a stranger ranger here. 

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:09 | 555178 Leo Kolivakis
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Don't waste your energy on shorting this market:

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:33 | 555240 AccreditedEYE
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It has been a long and painful slide for this dog since 2008 Leo... What's changed?  

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 12:06 | 555308 mephisto
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Quarterly results less horrific than expectations.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 12:13 | 555328 AccreditedEYE
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Saw that... thanks Meph. I was looking to see if Leo had a driver to buy for longer than an hour.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:48 | 555270 SheepDog-One
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WOW Leo posts a stock chart that went up .30 cents whoopee!! Leo, yer a pig.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 12:25 | 555367 UncleBen
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Leo, you and your $4.00 piece of shit stock picks can blow me

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 13:29 | 555583 Hephasteus
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Not right now. It's cloudy.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:15 | 555191 yabs
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lets take a look at this "market"

5 hindenberg omens, 3 head and shoulders targetting 1010 , 875 a nd zero

 a death cross, the worst housing stats on record, a double dip eveident to all with an Iq above 5 and still the market goes up 10 points in minutes on a consumer confidence level that is still way into recessio n territory

how sick is that

I have been shorting markets since the death cross and am still at a loss

The only thing I can think is that the market is "clever" and not as dumb as I we think and that its pricing in HYPERINFLATION?

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:50 | 555273 mephisto
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This market is not clever, its just got a faster processor than you.

Everyone is short except your pension fund. And they ain't selling. But some shorts arent as stubborn as you, they get lifted out.

IMO institutions are sat there laughing, watching short term traders eat each other. They have asset allocation meetings in September. If they cut their equity allocation, 850 is easy.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 12:01 | 555298 -1Delta
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Well said- the allocation to FI will be interesting as well...

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 14:42 | 555791 ZeroPower
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Word to OP and Word to you.

As both have risen earlier, it will be keen to seen both simultaneously fall.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:15 | 555193 system failure
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HFT's are my friends, they talk to me, I hear their voices.....They provide me with direction in my life.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 16:50 | 556230 mephisto
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Direction? Mostly up?

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:18 | 555209 TooBearish
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Hey Ty do the Nekki overlay to fer double trouble....

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:28 | 555229 N Rothschild
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i  wouldn't touch this "Trade recomendation" with a barge pole. the ES has been lagging audjpy for days and is finally playing catch up, this was just the closing of a larger divergance, there is no trade to be had here.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:44 | 555259 LMAO
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WTF?

 

"the ES has been lagging audjpy for days and is finally playing catch up"

Still you see no trade after coming to that conclusion?

 

Confused? YES!

 

LMAO

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:51 | 555278 N Rothschild
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try reading on.. "this was just the closing of a larger divergance," 

 

it is now closed, and you would have been buying the ES and selling audjpy, not what tyler is recomending.

 

LMAO, retard.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 15:47 | 556015 LMAO
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try reading on.. "this was just the closing of a larger divergance," 

 

it is now closed, and you would have been buying the ES and selling audjpy, not what tyler is recomending.

 

LMAO, retard.

 

LOL,

Obviously you do not seem to understand that the play here would be a "convergence" play and shorting the ES but what would you know, thanks for chuckle.

Here you go: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/convergence-half-way-done

 

You talk about "divergance" and call me a retard....

 

You may want to brush up on both your lingo and web-etiquette.

It's just some friendly advice. Now have a nice day.

 

LMAO

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 11:41 | 555256 mephisto
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For me there's too much end of month nonsense to play his cross-asset correlation today.

For example, massive equity bid chasing for the close in europe in the last 15 mins.

And FX is a complete mess today.

You want at a nice correlation trade, try FTSE/SPX. Be quick. Please, talking my book here ;-)

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 14:45 | 555805 ZeroPower
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Better than asking us to buy fucking solars.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 12:06 | 555310 omi
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Nothing to do with AUD/JPY. You're making this way too complicated.

 

Just keep in mind 1037, 1052.50, 62.50, 68, 72.50, 84.50, 88, 92.50

For some reason X2.50 tend to be really popular levels. All you're doing is bouncing between levels. Think of it as being in a dark cave where you can't see anything other than you know that you can run in two directions and there are doors that periodically open. And you keep in a dark cave trying to push yourself through one of the doors. The way to see which door is likely to open you have to expanimine accumulation/distributions via momentum. Not sure how to put this concept simpler that everyone keeps making too copmlex.

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 12:08 | 555315 Tripps
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lol, another call that lost you money

Tue, 08/31/2010 - 13:42 | 555624 Goldinsacks
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What happens to this correlation if the BOJ starts to step in?

Fri, 09/03/2010 - 06:40 | 561401 Eric Cartman
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That is a DAMN GOOD QUESTION! 

I have no idea.... maybe a little noise but nothing big enough to ruin the arb opportunity (in my opinion)

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