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GFMS 2011 Gold Survey Released, Sees Gold Price Surpassing $1,600 Before Year End

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Wed, 04/13/2011 - 09:52 | 1164876 SheepDog-One
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Just cant be...GS called the top in everything (less equities of course) just yesterday! <sarc off>...or is it?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 09:55 | 1164886 TexDenim
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Interesting that China is producing gold, not hoarding it.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 09:58 | 1164894 Robot Traders Mom
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They are doing both genius. Hence the 450+tons of consumption while selling only 138 tons of scrap.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:02 | 1164905 tmosley
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You're doing a great job of broadcasting your own ignorance.


Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:11 | 1164930 Thomas
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But you have very nice breasts.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:21 | 1165235 bigdumbnugly
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two very nice points, thomas.



but don't shortchange yourself.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:17 | 1164947 SheepDog-One
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Theyre doing both. 

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 09:58 | 1164888 ak_khanna
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The market operators ie banksters are driving the USD index down and pumping up everything else. This process will continue till there are no long positions left in the USD index and no short positions in any of the commoditie­­s, stock or currencies other than the USD.

The operators are then likely to take the long position on the dollar and short position on everything else. They would then use their money power to move the markets in the direction which would get them the maximum profit while screwing all other traders / hedge funds / investors.

The stock, commodity and currency exchanges have been reduced to gambling dens whereby the more powerful traders with deep pockets move the markets to maximize their own profits at the expense of the remaining not so powerful players. The big boys have enormous money power to move the markets in the direction which results in maximum profits for themselves­­. They effectivel­­y use the media to lure the other players in the market to a position where they would incur maximum loss.

The markets will fall only when the banksters have eliminated all the short positions and only they themselves have positioned themselves to profit when the market falls


When an unexpected world event catches the banksters with their pants down and the softwares they use to rig the markets go berserk beyond their control.


Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:04 | 1164914 BobPaulson
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Yes, with their printing press they can corner all markets as long as people accept their paper in the trades. Can they force people to take these trades? Everyone in the US is trapped, and little people who are paycheque to paycheque can't get out of the way, but there are ways to avoid their steamroller, and some countries have interest in preventing them from cornering all trades.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:08 | 1164920 hedgeless_horseman
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This process will continue till there are no long positions left in the USD index and no short positions in any of the commoditie­­s, stock or currencies other than the USD.

I hereby nominate the sentence, above, for most ignorant post of the week by someone who claims to have knowledge about that which he or she speaks.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:33 | 1165040 rufusbird
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Familiarize yourself with the concept of 'open interest'.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 17:33 | 1166859 Doña K
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My hubby told me to stay out of all markets except getting physical.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 09:59 | 1164893 smeagol
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gotta get through this first.

Resistance at $1460-62

Hopefully later.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:03 | 1164911 eigenvalue
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Silver is better than gold. Gold has the tungsten problem but silver doesn't. You can easily use Archimedesprinciple to identify fake silver. 

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:13 | 1164931 tmosley
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Not really.  It has always been possible to fake silver, using lead.

This is why I prefer rounds.  The ring when flipped.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:17 | 1164946 eigenvalue
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But the density of lead is higher than silver. If you try to fake silver with lead, the size of the bullion will turn out smaller.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:17 | 1164961 tmosley
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You make an alloy.  This has been a danger for ages, and is one of the main reasons we use coins rather than bars for currency.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:19 | 1164956 SheepDog-One
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Watch out for the Chinese Pandas, weigh those suckers as I have 2 of them that are .8 oz.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:06 | 1164919 Turd Ferguson
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By year end? Screw that!

$1600 by 6/10/11.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:12 | 1164936 Thomas
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I will be watching the moon with my telescope for gold at the end of the year.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:17 | 1164964 SheepDog-One
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Or sooner.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:29 | 1165010 paddy0761
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Hey eigenvalue (or anyone), is it feasible to make fake silver bars with Molybdenum? I can't see it working as there would need to be a huge conspiracy to keep them out of industrial supply. The central banks don't hold silver, so you couldn't park the fake ones there. Is it just another bullshit Internet rumour? Google it.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 20:29 | 1165192 Tedster
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Gold and silver became money partially because they are hard to fake convincingly. That's the whole point. Numismatic coin collecting is a different matter, however, and even common coins like the British sovereign were reproduced - but using real gold, and in the proper proportion alloy. Modern bullion coins are the most liquid and readily identifiable way to hold gold or silver and do not generally require assay or sophisticated tests to determine authenticity. They are very nearly self-authenticating, because of the metals unique properties. Generally, If the weight and size is correct, the item cannot be anything except gold. Some prefer bags of US silver coins for the authenticity factor in a similar way. Large bars would be the only way of scaling up though, and those might require assay if

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:31 | 1165021 baby_BLYTHE
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Should we be expecting a HUGE correction this summer in PMs since QE3 is DOA?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:47 | 1165089 Twindrives
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Uh... yeah...uh-huh....absolutely...this summer everyone is going to trade their silver and gold for ever more valuable U.S. dollars, you can count on it. I hope the FED has enough USD's in circulation to cover the mass exodus from PM's. <sarcasm off>

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:54 | 1165135 baby_BLYTHE
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Should I ever decide to sell any of my physical gold or silver at my local coin shop, this is something they report to the IRS correct?

One is supposed to pay capital gains on bullion (even though such is illegal on the Constitution), correct?

thx :)

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:08 | 1165427 Catullus
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It's not a capital gain. It's the sale of a collector's item. Gets taxed at marginal income tax rate.

Don't bother. Just keep holding on to it. I know everyone likes to say this will be money eventually, but they never tell you that legal tender laws still exist. You must still clear transactions in dollars here. The likely scenario is that gold will be accepted as collateral on loans. That's when it's value really skyrockets.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 13:27 | 1165826 baby_BLYTHE
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Thanx Catullus,

As is the theme of Peter Schiff's sophmore book, there is always a bull market somewhere

I honestly cannot see a bull other than in real money- Gold + Silver.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:04 | 1166025 Temporalist
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Doesn't JP Satan...errr, Morgan already accept PMs as collateral?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 21:32 | 1167545 SamThomas
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I believe the rate on the sale of "collectibles" is a flat 28%.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 17:57 | 1166920 Diogenes
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If you need quick cash you can always borrow it using gold as collateral. I bet any bank would be thrilled to lend you paper cash against gold.

In due time you can pay off the loan in (depreciated) paper.

There is no tax on borrowed money.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 11:10 | 1165167 Pegasus Muse
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"GFMS, arguably the most respected precious metals consulting company, ... "

LOL.  Quite arguably according to our good friends at GATA:


"GFMS chief belatedly acknowledges that official gold data is no good"



"Likening GATA to terrorists, GFMS exec refuses debate"



"GATA Batting 1,000, Three Amigos Perma-Bears 000"


Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:57 | 1165694 55mph
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1,600 is a piece of cake.  most wonder why it's not 1,600 right now.  what's it going to take?



Wed, 04/13/2011 - 13:09 | 1165733 falak pema
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how about holding gold close to one's heart : pure gold plated penis anyone? I know those aborigenies in Borneo did a good bamboo job!

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:05 | 1166029 OutLookingIn
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 GFMS? Sorry - but don't believe everything that comes from this conflicted outfit!

 Their list of sponsor's reads like a who's, who of the TBTFs with all the nefarious characters attached, right down to the LBMA.

This report, like many others put out by the GFMS, is not going to rock their sponsor's boats. Far from it! It will say what they want it to say!

The truth be known, the gold price forecast is too conservative.

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