Gleacher On The 10 Year's 2% Handle, QE6, And How The US Treasury Wins Again And Everyone Else Loses

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Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:37 | 1313067 nope-1004
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100% Ponzinomics.  It's the "new normal".  Banks are white-collar criminals, plain and simple.

Screw the people, suck the life out of the working population, rape cleaning ladies, and live opulently ever after.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:49 | 1313106 MassDecep
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save me ...

Feel the rhythm with your hands

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:43 | 1313083 LawsofPhysics
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What, no chart porn to accompany? 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:44 | 1313315 JW n FL
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I need an esquire to File Suit in Federal Court Against the U.S. Government.. more over the President of the United States of America. Pro Bono in the name of Fight Club!


The Law Suit is for breach of the Constitution for bringing home the U.S. Army and now Training the U.S. Army to operate Against "We the People".


Who wants to get some T.V. face time for themselves and for Tyler here.. we want warm bodies to educate we have to up our visible profile.


I am looking for feedback and ideas to make as big a splash as possible! so if you have something that will help, speak up! even if you think its small! speak up! every little thing matters and helps! SO PLEASE!!! Speak Up!


Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:52 | 1313355 FreeNewEnergy
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Yeah, great idea. Me, I'm just trying to figure out just what is the perfect amount of mayo on a salami, ham and cheese on white.

Sorry, can't help you.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:01 | 1313380 Urban Redneck
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You can't file a lawsuit against someone until they have broken a law.  The military "training" I don't believe meets the threshold. 

However, one might be able to obtain an injunction baring a unit that has received such "training" from deploying on US soil.  Lower burden of proof, less time to execute, simpler argument to the judge.

This is coming from someone who deals primarily with international tax and trade issues - so I am definitely not an expert.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:42 | 1313552 hedgeless_horseman
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You can't file a lawsuit against someone until they have broken a law.

Flag as patently false (1)

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 14:06 | 1313824 Urban Redneck
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Correct.  You can file a lawsuit anytime.  But what is JW's goal?  I don't think it is merely PR points or finger jabbing the beast. 

If someone files a nuisance suit against me, they incur my wrath, and I am pitifully capitalized compared to the US government.

Regardless, one needs a "victory" in round 1 to put the opposition on the defensive for round 2.  Anything less is merely an extravagant declaration of principle. 

Play to win, or don't play at all.  What would you recomend JW do?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:40 | 1313086 oogs66
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Now Bernanke can claim QE2 helped mortgage rates AND the Russell 2000.  Man is a genius!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:50 | 1313109 RobotTrader
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The greatest of all time.

The Bernanke Fed model will be studied for decades at the top business schools.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:51 | 1313127 SheepDog-One
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WOW Robo is it possible for you take any more Bernank cock down your throat? You dream of being a Pigman, but forget it youll never be one.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:55 | 1313139 nope-1004
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Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:57 | 1313136 Deep
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yup the greatest

under his watch we had a total collapse, the dollar is getting crushed, and gold is skyrocketing, and the market is still sown 20% from highs

but even better, measured in gold, the dow is down 80% since 2000

this is an awsome model, why didn't we think of this sooner?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:01 | 1313154 Trillax
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... perhaps as what not to do.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:46 | 1313087 Sherman McCoy
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Listen, we have to fix the banks. If that means robbing from grannie's retirement account income, then so be it. She should have bought LinkedIn. We will have 0% financing and an historically steep curve for as long as it takes for the snake charmer to generate enough interest income to offset the losses in his "mark to make believe" portfolio. It worked for Greenspan in '91, and it will work now. What we really need are 2% mortgages so those that need a lower mortgage payment get it, and all the buy to let folks can get carry on their new rentals. Now, that would be nice!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:47 | 1313102 Corn1945
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If it "worked", why are we right back in this spot again?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:54 | 1313131 SDRII
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Peak debt + math = fail. BTW didn't Glen Hubbard already present a 5% across the board mortgage per a WSj editorial to "fix" the crisis. or maybe he was just shilling for a repeat of the refi revenues for the banks

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:01 | 1313383 glenlloyd
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You are obviously extremely confused. Where is it written that private banks have to be saved from their idiotic mistakes, and in some cases self-engineered mistakes?

You can't see the forest for the trees.

Engaging in moral hazard has never been an endorsed policy.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:44 | 1313090 hedgeless_horseman
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Seems like we are on QE6, they just didn't tell you that it started.

Ben's tell: Inflation?  What inflation?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:44 | 1313091 Sophist Economicus
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The FED and other CBs are slowly wiping out the bond vigilantes.  I wouldn't short bonds, better to buy gold.    This bond coercion will not end well...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:31 | 1313261 the rookie cynic
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Agreed. Backed by the printing press, the Fed can buy up all the bonds and thus keep their nominal prices up and interest rates low until...well, until the dollar is confetti if that's what they want. They can buy a lot more and hold it a lot longer than anyone can short, unless you've got your own printing press, of course. :)

Gold is a better move.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 13:38 | 1313739 slaughterer
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Now is definitely not the time to short bonds.  But July, another story.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:48 | 1313104 RobotTrader
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Who would have ever thought that the "unintended consequences" of increasing the national debt from $1 trillion to $14 trillion would have resulted in an outright collapse in 10-yr. Treasury yields from 16% to 3%?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:48 | 1313116 Corn1945
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Greece, Ireland, and Portugal used to pay 3% also. We all know how that worked out.

This shit isn't even common sense. It's at a lower level than common sense. Someone can understand this if they can successfully dress themselves in the morning.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:54 | 1313137 SheepDog-One
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Funny part is, it will blow up suddenly, not some gradual easing off. A lot of financial people on ZH pay no attention to world war 3 in the wings, which could ignite any day now.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:03 | 1313152 nope-1004
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Who would have ever thought that the "unintended consequences"

Those "unintended consequences" were 100% intended, through 100% market manipulation.

The Fed is a 100% fraud

The Treasury is a 100% fraud

The market is a 100% fallacy

PM's are 100% manipulated down

Inflation is 100% covered up to keep the bankster agenda going.

Who woulda thought, eh?


Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:03 | 1313403 johny2
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Who woulda thought we still took the interest in it, even though we know that it is manipulated? It is like watching American Wrestling. I mean it is enough to buy the PM, and turn off the internet and tv, and enjoy the good things in life, rather than follow this ponzi scheme. 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:54 | 1313129 The Axe
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As you know Robot   money needs velocity..and the only velocity I see is at the gas pump ..Not  any lending..

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:07 | 1313149 hedgeless_horseman
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Who would have ever thought that the "unintended consequences" of increasing the national debt from $1 trillion to $14 trillion would have resulted in an outright collapse in 10-yr. Treasury yields from 16% to 3%?

To me, the truly amazing thing that I would have never have imagined in my wildest dreams is that they did it in the open...pOmo.

Who would have ever thought, indeed?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:14 | 1313200 topcallingtroll
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This shows that complex systems such as an economy with a debt based monetary system will have emergent unexpected properties.

This is why i rarely speculate on macro themes but use sentiment and divergence.

You cannot outhink a complex system in the long run and any short term wins may be just councidence.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:56 | 1313376 Biosci
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This is perhaps the most insightful post I've ever read on ZH.  Pity it's so much fun to pretend otherwise.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:33 | 1313521 topcallingtroll
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This is also why i dont think anyone can be certain that the system will or will not collapse in our lifetime.

Contrary divergence based strategies have been empirically validated to have a small alpha. I wish i had the reference for that but cant remember. It was either modern portfolio theory, random walk, or nassim taleb, or against the gods. All four excellent reading anyway.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:51 | 1313585 mayhem_korner
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i dont think anyone can be certain that the system will or will not collapse in our lifetime.

...but you can be certain the system will collapse.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 14:52 | 1313939 Biosci
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To be honest, I was talking about your summary of the market, not your trading strategy.  But to each his own.

Reading list noted -- for that day when my inbox isn't full of science journals.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 13:16 | 1313657 bogey4
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I think it's bs - the guy doesn't really say anything of value in his commentary. 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 12:50 | 1313579 mayhem_korner
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The system is only as complex as you want it to be.  The core fundamental, obscured as it is, remains:  (Physical) Production - Consumption = Real Wealth.

The introduction of fiat currency and its being made available at negative real prices effectively extends the production lag to an unfulfillable promise.  So the system self-destructs under the weight of its own debt. 

The rest of the system - the forward markets, securities, derivatives, etc., etc., - is just noise to me. 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 14:00 | 1313799 slow_roast
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"This is why i rarely speculate on macro themes but use sentiment and divergence."

Yes, because the devaluation of the USD against hard assets isn't real.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:59 | 1313114 Boston
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Can't wait for the 7yr and sub 3% 10yr.

Me too!  But since I've been waiting since late February (when I went long T-notes), I think I can wait another month or two.  

Also, keep this in mind---the BIG rate move (down) happened only AFTER QE ended last spring.  This means we could easily crash well below 3.0% and possibly below 2.5% on the 10 year.


Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:49 | 1313119 6 String
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I just posted this on another thread: the 10 year at 3% while we're had a technical mandatory debt celing breach? You've got to be kidding me it's getting the kind of bid and coverage....

 I feel goosed.  Seems like we are on QE6, they just didn't tell you that it started.  And we have seen this before. 

I couldn't agree more. It's like they know to keep ramping the Russell 2K, to keep a bid on commodities (remember Goldman just went bullish even though supposedly no QE3), and to outright play a QE3 hand--right now.

This is of course true: The Primary Dealers, as we have all suspected, will be far ahead of the curve on QE3, since they do, after all, call the shots.


Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:49 | 1313120 Ye Ye
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I think the treasury yield is related to the expected future distribution of Fed overnight rates.  I interpret the price action as the market saying they expect the Fed to keep the overnight low for a while.  This in turn suggests the market thinks the economy is going to be in the doldrums for a while.  With the drag of energy costs, the arrival of austerity, and the end of QE2, things are definitely not looking up ... 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:50 | 1313121 luk427
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Belarus is going to look like a walk in the park.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 10:54 | 1313135 Dolemite
Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:03 | 1313151 Herbert_guthrie
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"Fundamentals? Economic activity is mixed at best too."

Some Texas banker's son once quoted "This sucker's going down."

Best believe him.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:09 | 1313169 I am Jobe
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Exclusive: Taxpayer Money Spent on Shrimp on Treadmills

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:11 | 1313190 citrine
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could it have something to do with the implied probability of changes to the fed funds target rate?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:42 | 1313304 buzzsaw99
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bondz bitchez! (don't touch my junk either bitchez)

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 11:47 | 1313337 slewie the pi-rat
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Maybe, the severity of the litany of unintended consequences of this low rate coordinated policy...are more beneficial than the alternative of stakeholders perceptions how bad banking balance sheets are.

fuking banksters!  how styooopid are we to keep throwing money at businesses whose employees & owners take all the money home each week?

let's give them $3 Tril more and see what happens to their balance sheets? 

got PMs?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 13:27 | 1313690 Gold Man-Sacks
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This is not rational behavior, but since when has the public acted rationally?  Once QE3 is officially announced, rates will once again spike.  I'd catagorize these exceptionally low rates as "transitory."

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 13:56 | 1313787 the grateful un...
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who is this everyone? do you mean the 56% of america living on the dole? those who also tdepend on national security? there are a few people who think everyone wins. and even gasoline prices are coming down. (that obama is a smart lookin fella isn't he?) that 56% who spend beyong their means is feeling pretty good. the savers and the losers who can't get credit are crying, of course. but pretty soon they're be educational grants to learn burger flippin at tech school, most of the grant is kicked back to the industry in one form or another, seen it before, and expect to see it again.the alternative is running an honest and bankrupt system. take your pick

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