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Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:34 | 8134 Anonymous
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Makes me sick

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:05 | 8178 Project Mayhem
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"[Goldman Sachs] is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentless jamming its blood-funnel into anything that smells like money."

-Matt Taibbi

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:38 | 8139 Anonymous
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Notice how everything against Goldman Sachs is being dismissed as being "populist". Populism is defined as "The People" Vs. "The Elites".

We have an oligarchy.

And Goldman Sachs is not elitist. They are blood sucking vampires draining Main Street out of their wealth. They are anti-american. They do exactly the opposite of what this country stands for.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:08 | 8180 Project Mayhem
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And don't forget , Goldman Sachs routinely breaks the law.  There's enough evidence to indict Lewis, Paulson, Blankfein, Summers, Rubin, and the rest of these idiots.   But there will be no indictments -- because the U.S. has become a banana republic, complete with a revolving door of corrupt lobbyists, mega-banks, and weapons contractors.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:40 | 8140 Anonymous
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the recession is OK, a billboard told me so.

TD, gonna find our who the "anonymous east coast donor" is?

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 01:51 | 8515 dza
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That's a scary ass piece of propaganda right there. I'd take issue with the idea that it's a "fact" that recessions end.

Nope not a fact....They've ended in terms of a loosely and systemically defined necessity to previous business cycles. But this aint ending. This isn't 2000, and you don't get another chance make a million dollars, fuck elvis, and go on Reality TV.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 08:14 | 8566 Anonymous
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The recession is over but the Greatest Depression is beginning.

50% Unemployment, civil unrest, food shortages, resource wars all coming sooner then you think. Oh and this means DOW at 500 or less.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:41 | 8141 Jim B
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I don't remember seeing GS on the ballot last November.....  Oh, thats right, I forgot both major political parties are actually proxies for GS.  LOL...

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:47 | 8147 Anonymous
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mr beck is the 50 million dollar faux news controlled opposition talking head. nothing more, nothing less. when the guns come out, he will hold your coat for you , while you fight and die. if he sees you in the street, he will call the cops on you and say that you are a leftist terrorist, etc. his idea of patriotism is couched in his own viewpoints such as supporting the troops etc even though our troops are doing wrong, and have invaded foreign countries without provacation and are now fighting and killing their indigenous inhabitants for absolutley no reason. oh he will say to anyone that questions these wars that never end, that you are a leftist terrorist and do not love this country. he was invented to fill a niche. like rush limbaugh who by his own admission has his very own private rabbi,(whatever that means), he is paid to fill the airwaves and the talmud vision with nonsense that means nothing.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:53 | 8157 Anonymous
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what does this mean in relation to the case presented here? dismiss it?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:11 | 8186 Anonymous
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no, what i am saying is truth is truth, there can be no denying it. what he says is true. but what this is, is like a chess match. remember to win the game, you may lose most of your pieces but when you put the king in check, the game is over. your losses may be high, but nevertheless, you win the game. this is what they do. they relieve the pressure buildup by allowing some truth to come out by these highly paid traitorous talking heads. so they hide truth with truth. i hope this makes sense to you. for so long now, i think like them and it is hard for me to explain sometimes. i know them as they know themselves for i have studied them and know how they think. the people you are up against are very, very clever and will stop at nothing. make no mistake about it. this war we fight now, is a information war for your mind. but when the time is right, this war will become hot, yes hot, here in the land of the fake free and the home of the fake brave. sooner or later, one must stand for what one believes in no matter what. i like so many have for a very long time now, flown below the radar screen, so to speak, but the day is coming when i am going to have to shit or get off of the pot. that day is coming for us all and sooner than we think.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:28 | 8220 Anonymous
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Goldman as a pawn. Interesting.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:20 | 8281 Anonymous
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ye spake sooth

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:56 | 8418 Anonymous
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Insert 1) proper punctuation and 2) paragraphs and your ramblings might actually get read.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 00:44 | 8490 brandy night rocks
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Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:55 | 8160 Anonymous
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so he was lying about all those people and their interconnections? they did not all work at GS like he said? that was all just a lie? please enlighten us.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:57 | 8164 Jim B
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Does GS know that you are using your work computer for browsing the web.......

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:09 | 8184 Anonymous
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....and now that we all feel uncomfortable.....

...ok, back to financial news.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:03 | 8258 PierreLegrand
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Well certainly all those other "journalists" at networks not deemed faux by frustrated leftists are welcome to get up in front of millions of folks and make the same argument. How about we hold our breaths until they do?

Like it or not FOX is covering this criminality and CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS are not.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:20 | 8345 Anonymous
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Correct. Beck is a media plant. I really like when he claims to be a libertarian. They're trying to make him the face of a movement and his positions are so weak and poorly presented that the MSM can easily crush his arguments. He's a manufactured straw man to distract from the real issues.

I'm so glad he just ripped off Talibbi's RS article. Wait until he makes the connection that GS's employees were the #1 donor group to the oBAMA campaign.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:44 | 8375 Anonymous
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"leftist terrorist and do not love this country" - have a link to support that?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:56 | 8472 Anonymous
Sun, 07/19/2009 - 14:37 | 9966 Anonymous
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That is just an uniformed screed. You don't actually know what Beck believes and all you have done is use the space for your own agenda. Come back when you have read and understood "Common Sense".

Tue, 07/21/2009 - 15:19 | 11294 Anonymous
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Tyler, have you seen this piece by Martin Armstrong?

I'm wondering if it has merit if you could hash it out a bit?


Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:50 | 8149 Anonymous
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Truly disgusting. What is it going to take for something to be done about these criminals?

It's actually not called an oligarchy, though, it is called fascism.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:32 | 8227 Anonymous
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Both terms are correct for what we have.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:09 | 8266 Project Mayhem
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Yeah,  /agree,  oligarchy and fascism are somewhat interchangable. 


IMO the difference is that fascism has a grassroots component (i.e. youth brigades, government informers, etc).   We are getting there, give it a couple of years.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:54 | 8159 Project Mayhem
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Glenn Beck is a liar and tool.  He is 'controlled opposition' for the establishment.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:56 | 8162 Anonymous
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so he was lying about the connections these guys have to GS?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:12 | 8169 Project Mayhem
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No he was telling the truth most likely.


What I mean is these figures like Glenn Beck, they mix truth and lies together.  So for example, maybe 80% of what he says has basis in truth, but then they mix in 20% outrageous lies to control the debate and to keep their followers confused and unsure of what actions are in their own best interests.


Examples of things Glenn Beck has said that are lies, for example, would be that Ron Paul supporters are dangerous terrorists, that 9/11 truthers are dangerous terrorists, that a nuke going off in an American city would help 'save the country' etc.  So he'll tell the truth about Goldman, people will think he's on the side of the people against the oligarchy, but then he becomes a turncoat for the enemy when the wind changes direction.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:05 | 8261 PierreLegrand
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So you accuse a man of lying by lying about what he has said? Remarkable...Congrats.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:11 | 8269 Project Mayhem
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Huh?  What are you talking about?  I said Glenn Beck has lied before, (if you scroll down this page I provided three links to back up my claims).  I am simply suggesting people take what he says with a grain of salt. His past statements indicate he is disingenuous.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:28 | 8292 Anonymous
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beck is a newsfaker who may speak truth
quite often to keep the conservative element
in line with the bush crime syndicate. but
you are so right about him being a tool for the
american wars of aggression.

the bush link to wall street runs through
cargill on to goldman sachs.

and beck's other major role is to discredit 911
truth. the wtc was taken down by us intelligence
on bush sr's orders. the team used
military grade nanothermite
for a controlled demolition of the wtc because
it contained enron evidence linking the bush's
to hussein and osama aka tim osman. besides,
as director of north american mossad operations
rahm "fuck you" emmanuel stated, never waste a
good crisis. hence we got dhs, patriot act, and
a slew of other nazi organizations who are ready
to jump into action this sept/oct when a major
bank holiday goes into effect.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:44 | 8319 Anonymous
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Or maybe Goldman pissed Rupert off. He may not like what he sees. Doing too much damage to his balance sheet. God, I hope everyone isn't pro Goldman. Surely there has to be some infighting at the top.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:42 | 8412 Lou629
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 "...the wtc was taken down by us intelligence on bush sr's orders. the team used military grade nanothermite for a controlled demolition of the wtc because it contained enron evidence..."

^^^LMAO!!  What a crock of shit!!

Yo!  Mr Tinfoil!!  Those airplanes that hit those buildings, those were a figment of our imagination i suppose? 


Fri, 07/17/2009 - 01:18 | 8504 Anonymous
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I think you answered your own question. The point is EVERYONE saw the planes hit, that was the idea.

Do you know how much structural steel is used in a skyscraper? A plane hitting 60(?), wild guess, floors up would not cause the structural levels to collapse on themselves.

OPen your mind to the possibilities before you decide, not the other way around.

The whole M O is it is OK to do evil to a few for the good of many....or themselves.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 08:26 | 8570 Lou629
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"The point is EVERYONE saw the planes hit, that was the idea..."

"... A plane hitting 60(?), wild guess, floors up would not cause the structural levels to collapse on themselves. OPen your mind..."

^^^And you know this, do you?  How?  Did your contacts at the CIA tell you?  LOL!

All conspiracy wingnuts such as yourself don't want to believe the truth, because you can't bring yourselves to admit that this world is full of chaos and that the simplest answer is usually best.  (Look up Occams Razor, it works for this)

In this case the truth you do not wish to face is that a small bunch of fanatic assholes living in caves somewhere could have pulled off something like 9/11.   

Since the truth is too simple & painful for you to accept, you decide to delude yourselves into thinking it just has to be a conspiracy because that somehow makes your world more logical.  You don't want to believe it, so, much like a little child, you refuse to accept it and deny the evidence of your own eyes. 

I would bet that you also don't want to believe that a single loner loser like L.H. Oswald could have had such a profound impact on history in 1963 either, do you? 

Open your own mind.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 09:23 | 8582 Anonymous
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whatever you say numbnutts, get the hell out of here mish..:)

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:11 | 8190 Anonymous
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he was lying about lies....thus telling the truth....sort of.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:13 | 8192 VegasBD
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I used to listen and watch beck before he got on faux news. I seriusly doubt he would ever shill for the dark side, he too concerned bout being a pillar in the community and to make his church look good. Only thing is that now he has to be a dem hater and pro republican that hes on fox.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 18:57 | 8167 Anonymous
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Does anyone know whether Beck is right about this stuff?

That is, is he exaggerating or stretching the truth at all here?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:02 | 8173 Anonymous
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He mixed up Kashkari a little I think, but yes, the characters were all correct.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:11 | 8189 capitalisa
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Everything Beck stated re: Goldman connections is true.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:48 | 8321 Anonymous
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Read Matt Taibbi's article in Rolling Stone about GS. It's a doozy. You can read it on line but I would go ahead and pick up an issue. It will be a collector's item in the not so distant future.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:03 | 8175 Anonymous
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patriots network my ass. you get on that network and you will be led around by the nose forever trying to make sense of it all and never finding the real reasons why these things are happening. it is like 911 truth. one time i was on a 911 truth blog and i asked the simple question. what is 911 truth? 5 minutes later, i was kicked off and banned. why is that? simple. 911 truth is not about 911 truth. they never will find out who did it but instead spend countless hours arguing over how it was done. same thing with the kennedy assassination. people to this day, argue over how kennedy was shot but will never take a long hard look at who could have done such a thing and why? so if you listen to beck, you will get little crumbs thrown your way. but to truely understand glenn beck, all you really have to do is look at who he works for and who owns fox news. i ask you. in the good cop bad cop tradition, would a brother turn on another brother? think about it and remember the math question....does 2 + 2 = 4?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:11 | 8188 Project Mayhem
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I tried 2+2=5 , but then I couldn't post the comment.


Thanks Zero Hedge Quant Quiz™ !!

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:05 | 8179 Anonymous
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Take what you can get until someone stops you. Then hire a lawyer. It's been the American Way for so long some people are having a hard time shifting gears while trying to rationalize that they don't really do anything deserving of all of that money.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:10 | 8185 Anonymous
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I'm not a big fan of Beck at all but his facts are indeed bang on with respect to this story. That being said, IMHO nothing is going to be done about Goldman Sachs (and the rest of Wall Street) until there is the political will to do so. And.. there will be NO political will until its made clear to the politicians in the house and congress that their constituents will no longer tolerate this kind of abuse.

It all comes down to the people (who unfortunately are too busy watching American Idol to care about this stuff).

Wake up America -

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:15 | 8194 Anonymous
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you watch what happens tomorrow on his show. it will be some bullshit about the evil leftist terrorist which is anyone that is a liberty loving individualist of the 1770's tradition. those men of that day, he would not understand and neither would most amerikans.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:11 | 8187 Gubbmint Cheese
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oops - forgot to login..


Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:13 | 8191 Anonymous
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..and who the shit is this guy from Did Glenn Beck use a lifeline and phone a friend for a better explanation? Thank god he brought in this guy to add credibility.....why doesn't he bring Madonna, the Olsen twin with the eating disorder, and Frank Stalone for their opinions.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:37 | 8232 Anonymous
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This guy's stock was driven down by naked short selling and has been at war with wall street for a long time.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:20 | 8343 agrotera
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You should read Patrick Byrne's credentials and what he and his reporters at have done before you speak.  We should all be so lucky as to have him take on the financial-government complex as his next dragon to slay.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 01:21 | 8505 Anonymous
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Agreed - he was painted as a whiner but has done much to expose naked short selling and many of the vermin on Wall Street who appear to be on the up and up. Follow the money and you will find men with no shame or morals.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 03:39 | 8534 Anonymous
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Apocalypse Now-

Agreed, when I first found this it was an aha moment for me just like narco-dollars.

Look at the top 5 derivative banks, they are clearly part of the cartel and their WMD derivatives are used to manipulate markets (including naked phantom selling, interest rate control, and precious metals).

I would agree that we should include all 5 in the investigations and not just Goldman.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:17 | 8198 DaylightWastingTime
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glenn beck is junk carbon

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:18 | 8199 Anonymous
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Name something, verifiable of course, that falls into the "20% outrageous lies to control" category.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:39 | 8233 Project Mayhem
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I named three lies Glenn Beck said before.  Now, granted, I think his commentary on Goldman Sachs is spot on  (100% true from what I can tell), but this does not invalidate the existence of previous lies.


Here they are.  Next time use Google dude!:


1) Ron Paul supporters are dangerous terrorists.


2) 9/11 Truth Activist Sues Glenn Beck and Fox News for Defamation


3) Glenn Beck: The Only Thing That Can Save America Now Is For Al Qaeda To Nuke Our Cities

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:34 | 8303 Anonymous
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As a Ron Paul supporter, I was really curious about your points. I watched the first and third videos and think you're off your rocker. Nowhere in the first video does he say Ron Paul supporters are terrorists, and nowhere in the 3rd video does he say that about saving America. I didn't bother watching the 2nd video since the other two clearly aren't what you've represented them to be.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:50 | 8308 Project Mayhem
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 My sound doesn't work on this computer so I couldn't verify if these are the right videos.  Hang on I will check and get back to you.




Actually, I think these videos speak for themselves.  In the first video, Beck is implying 'fringe' elements who raised the $6 million for Ron Paul will become violent, and is associating Ron Paul supporters with the actions Guy Fawkes and Timothy McVeigh.  In the second link, we see a 9/11 truth activist is persuing a lawsuit against Beck for defamation for characterizing 9/11 truthers as 'anarchists' and 'terrorists'.  In the third video, we see Glenn Beck *nods in agreement* with a spook that comes on his program and suggests the only thing that will save America is a nuke attack.


So yes, I'll stand by my original claims.  And next time, please keep your ad hominem attacks out of this.  As you may be aware, this is a well-known logical fallacy. 


Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:24 | 8446 PierreLegrand
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I call bullshit to your "evidence"! He does NOT imply Ron Paul supporters are terrorists he takes them to task for apparently celebrating Guy Fawkes anniversary. If they were, that is pretty dumb on their part. But Beck goes on to say that a lot of folks are becoming more and more disenfranchised and he understands why. 

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 07:53 | 8560 Anonymous
Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:22 | 8206 Screwball
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Where's he been?  Anyone paying attention should already know this.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:25 | 8214 Anonymous
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ahh...but the key is to get those who haven't been paying attention to understand this. I don't follow the guy but assume being on the fox he has a lot of viewers.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 19:26 | 8217 Comrade de Chaos
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How do we know that everything is totally f. up? you know it when fox becomes the voice of reason.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:07 | 8264 Anonymous
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Good analysis, but he misses the main point - all of this is ONLY possible because of the Federal Reserve.

Who provided the bailout money for AIG? The Fed.

Who is buying 1.25t of MBS from the banks? The Fed.

Audit the Fed and a lot of this bullshit goes away.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:12 | 8270 Anonymous
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there is one more thing that we must think about. it is quite possible that ron paul is not the man we think he is too. if one looks at the last presidential election, very soon , after a huge successful ron paul money bomb on the internet was concluded, suddenly ron paul quits without much explanation. why is that? could he be, just controlled opposition? one thing is for sure. you can most definitely find many images of him, (on the internet), performing the masonic handshake with people and making the sign of the "hook em horns" sign with his hand. Why would he be doing this? I think he tells those who are watching him, that everything is alright and don't worry about it. As I have done in the past, I will continue to do now, merely act as though i want liberty but in reality just play the game as you, my owners and puppetmasters want me to for the good of the cause, as I have done my whole life. Is this far fetched? under the circumstances i say no, it is not. I will just go ahead and say, that imho, ron paul , is and/or was compromised from the start, he was thrown in there as a necessary relief valve for the angry voters and in the end he betrayed them, on cue and they were left scratching their balls and wondering what just happened. on the situation with the audit the FED false hope scenerio, ron paul of course, started this. but as is often the case, games are played. even though he may have started it, it really means nothing because our congress is controlled by the people who own the FED and he knows this. it is just postering for the camera and the dreamers out here in flyover country. now all of this, cannot be truthfully and completely stated. to be factual, but i merely throw it out for discussion. what say you fine folks of zero hedge. is it possible?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:18 | 8278 Project Mayhem
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Well that's something I wonder about myself.  Paul's daughters are also involved with Rainbow Girls (youth freemasonry)  , his wife is member of Order of the Eastern Star (female masonry), etc.  


But then again I always say judge someone by their fruits, and Ron Paul has sponsored the audit the Fed bill, so let's hope that passes to shed some light on the criminal activities of the Federal Reserve.  If we can't stop this train we are in for some serious problems, as the situation in the United States at the moment is very similar to Italy in the early 1930s.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:39 | 8312 Anonymous
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also if you remember , paul would never come clean about this 911 thing. he kept talking about this silly stupid blow back book and skirting the issue. everybody with half a brain knows that some tall skinny saudi guy with bad kidneys living in a cave somewhere in afghanistan could not possibly pull off the greatest terror event in the history of the world, allegedly using hijacked planes that flew around without challenge for over a hour in the most heavily defended airspace in the world. people kept hoping against hope that paul would come out about this but he didn't and he won't. so i suspect him now. and since he was a john bircher and still is, to the best of my knowledge, then knowing what i know about the john birch society about how it was nothing more than controlled opposition in and of itself, since its inception, then one would have to extrapolate to the present day, this knowledge and the only conclusion one can come up with , is yes he is one of them, i am sorry to say. of course this sort of discussion causes the lava to flow and to spew from the dyed hard true believer volcanoes, who cannot bring themselves to believe such a thing. but in the search for truth, one must go where truth leads, no matter how we dread it or hate it, we must continue on digging and studying and learning and understanding. when you take the red pill, nothing is the same anymore, nothing is as it appears anymore, nothing is the way it used to be. nothing can be left to chance. it all must be tried in the balances. in my opinion, ron paul is weighed in the balances and found to be wanting.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:30 | 8456 PierreLegrand
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You are a truther??? Muahahahaha.....That is pretty goddamn funny.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:39 | 8313 Shaza (not verified)
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Project Mayhem, your analogy to Italy in 1930's is spot on! Pat on the back from ex teacher! 

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:52 | 8325 Project Mayhem
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Shaza, I know you from Mish's blog.  I used to post there, ironically, under the psuedonym of "Goldman Sachs".



Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:51 | 8323 hedgnome
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The Audit the Fed Bill, and  the annual End the Fed Bill are the brainchild of Ron Paul. Hes been pushing this stuff for decades.

If he is controlled opposition, hes pretty bad at it, because he really stirred up a ton of angry bees that take what he says seriously. Ron Paul supporters are beginning to realize that Ron Paul is not the future of the "liberty movement",  its those who he has inspired to take a critical look at the world, introducing them not only to individual liberty in a social sense, but in an economic sense. Although it does bother me that there is a fair amount of Ron Paul worship, as he is only one man.

You dont have to agree with him about everything, just listen to what the man says and decide for yourself. Years into the future, who knows who will step up to the plate, and perhaps it will be someone who was inspired by his beliefs.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:55 | 8327 Project Mayhem
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Ah yes, you're right. 


My position is quite similar to yours.  I definitely support the Audit the Fed bill, and I signed the petition and called and faxed Congress.  I doubt the Federal Reserve would be hiring a PR firm if they were not threatened by the popular backlash.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:33 | 8357 agrotera
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As much as i like Ron Paul, and would have loved for him and his ideas to have been elected President, i have always wondered exactly what you are saying--if he is so honestly against the fact that the fed can charge interest on currency that is circulated that is not backed by gold or silver, why doesn't he just say it instead of the long drawn out dissertation of why we need the gold standard?  You know he knows about the federal reserve act and this specification, and if he was at all serious, he would have already brought this important fact to the mass audience he has, and made a record of it in his book.  So, in a way, he does look like controlled opposition.  Additionally, if he was a serious threat to the powers that be, think about it, you have to wonder why he hasn't ended up like martin armstrong, or just mysteriously disappeared?  This way, the powers that be know who his biggest supporters are, and they can keep track of their opponents.

By the way, did anyone else notice how Rep. Daryl Issa suddenly started kissing the _____ of Bernake and Paulson? I wonder who got to him? 

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:43 | 8414 Anonymous
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Wow. Conspiracy-heads are really out on the town tonight to suggest that Ron Paul is some kind of controlled opposition. The guy has been complaining for years with no one taking him seriously at all, and now that people are finally listening, all of a sudden he is a puppet of the dark side? Gimme a break. At a minimum, look at his record of writings, which have been consistent (and completely ignored) for years.

On that note, his next book, titled "End the Fed" will be released in September. The title suggests there is not much ambiguity to his position.

As for Glenn Beck, why all the cheap attacks on him? So he has said some stupid things in the past. Fine. But has anyone else with any kind of following anywhere in the MSM called out Goldman like this? I've never watched much of him, but for today at least, he qualifies as a hero.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:15 | 8436 agrotera
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I agree with you about Glenn Beck, but i think you are making a mistake to chalk up my comment and maybe others to "conspiracy heads".  Maybe Mr. Paul's new book will detail the things people don't know about the fed, but, even with that, it took him a very long time to do so, and he must have know the details a long time ago since he endorsed the book The Creature from Jekyl Island.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 00:54 | 8493 hedgnome
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No I agree, as stated above, Ron Paul being controlled opposition is silly.

My issue is that Ron Paul supporters in some cases seem to idolize him in a way that I think will get them nowhere. He is much better as a conduit for the ideas he puts forth, for others to "follow in his footsteps" or at least take the ideas that he brought to the table and establish their own point of view.

One thing I want people to consider:Think about the type of person that becomes a serious politician, do you think that it appeals to people who have respect for individual liberty whatsoever? Or does it attract those who have an urge to control others, crave the power to grant political favors and further their own status in society at the expense of others? In my mind that would explain a lot about our political establishment, namely the lack of politicians that have any respect for the individual in society.



Fri, 07/17/2009 - 01:38 | 8512 Anonymous
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"Or does it attract those who have an urge to control others,"

Bingo. Most politicians, especially the "successful" ones, are narcissists and/or sociopaths. Clinton was a classic sociopath, for example, but they come from both sides of the aisle.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 03:58 | 8537 Anonymous
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The freemason thing does bother me, not sure if he is a high level member as in 30+ where they know the real deal. But he has been consistent for 20 years in his voting record, John McCain said he was the most ethical person in washington (before running against him), his portfolio which was released when he ran showed all gold & silver stocks and was small chump change compared to all the other sell outs(consistent with his sound money doctrine), and he single handedly championed this audit the fed bill. Why would they put him up to that, unless they are all in on trying to collapse the dollar & the US to bring in a one world gov (possible, but just conjecture). Also, remember how he was lampooned in the debates and then cut off despite having the best arguments (Carl Cameron was owned). In his office, he has a sign that says don't steal, the government hates competition (he gets it). Also, have you seen him grill Bernanke on Youtube? Classic!

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 03:59 | 8538 Anonymous
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Apocalypse Now ^

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 09:25 | 8583 Anonymous
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Ron Paul is 33 degree. You can tell by his handshake.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 01:36 | 8511 Anonymous
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that's just crazy talk. Ron Paul is a libertarian, but he is just not very good at getting his message across. He has a very strong message, but terrible delivery.

Ever see him ask questions on a panel? He uses his five minutes to ramble on and on and makes maybe one good point every four tries.

His heart is in the right place, but he has a hard time delivering.

If you could marry his knowledge with WallStreetPro's delivery, then you would have something!

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 01:53 | 8516 agrotera
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He was my first choice for president.  ...and i know what i said sounds like crazy talk, but it is just one of those things that has run through my cynical mind.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:32 | 8299 Anonymous
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thanks for sharing the masonry information....
if he is masonic then he is definitely part of
illuminist oligarchy relentlessly subjugating
this nation for the antichrist.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:56 | 8330 Project Mayhem
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lol  the S&P did hit a 666 low did it not?   ;)

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:37 | 8309 draino
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Good pont..WHERE did all that Ron Paul money go? WHy did his cmpaign suddenly fall off a cliff after raising all that $$? Why did he TRY almost to act quirky? This is evidence that suggests Ron Paul's 2008 campaign could have been
a swindle. Not jumping to conclusions, but Ron paul is a great pitchman, great at raising money, but NO ACTION!!!
All TALK like Cramer! http:// articles

So I wasn't sold on the Paul, but some are. Don't flame.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 08:10 | 8564 Anonymous
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The money went into starting the Campaign for Liberty my friend... no swindle.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 08:02 | 8562 Anonymous
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You guys are really off your rocker.. Ron Paul KNEW that his attempt to gain the presidency would NOT work and decided to continue to run a minimal campaign with the grassroots doing much of the work to educate the public. He then used the millions he had left over to start the Campaign for Liberty. This group in its short life has over 160,000? members and coordinators in every state and many counties. You can thank this group in their fist major initiative for getting more than 270 cosponsors for HR1207.
His decision to halt his campaign and do this has been far more effective as if he were to have blown all his campaign cash on what he knew would have been a failed presidential run.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 09:28 | 8587 Anonymous
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When asked what he would do with the money he said it would be used for patriot causes. So?

Also he promptly voted in tons of pork barrel projects for his district. Kind of a weird thing to do for someone who is supposedly anti status quo wouldn't you say? Then when asked about it, he did the Texas two step.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:32 | 8297 draino
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Good analysis, but he misses the main point - all of this is ONLY possible because of the Federal Reserve. Who provided the bailout money for AIG? The Fed. ..Your_right...the fed is at the heart of all this,. http:// articles
You know the country has gone to hell when otherwise intelligent people find common ground with Glenn Back.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:35 | 8307 Shaza (not verified)
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You can't fight the squid! 

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:21 | 8347 MsCreant
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Project Mayhem,

Glad to see you and Shaza. I post as "TStoleMC" at Mish's. I have asked about you. Worried you'd been blown up. Oh, guess I shouldn't quite say that on this blog, huh?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:36 | 8360 Project Mayhem
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Hahah no, I'm fine --  but have yet to see my expected implosion of the COMEX (unfortunately).  They've managed to keep this casino going far longer than I ever thought possible, mainly because the COMEX is accepting ETF shares of GLD and SLV as "good delivery" rather than physical metal, as recently disclosed by Zero Hedge in articles written by GATA and Adrian Douglas.  As for Mish,  I still read his blog regularly but the commenters on his blog generally struck me as a bit naive.  But now I found Zero Hedge so I tend to read him, Denninger, and sometimes Elite Trader.


Interestingly enough, I came across this on a couple of days ago...  Turns out the SLV ETF (administerd by JP Morgan) and London-based ETF Securities have overlapping serial numbers on a significant number of 1000 ounce bars.  Oops.


Check out page 1698-1722 of the SLV silver bars list. They have got some silver bars from China. The brand is Great Wall. The supposedly unique serial numbers are from No. 1001 - No. 1460. With many duplications.

The ETFS's silver bars list also contains silver bars of the same Great Wall brand. The serial numbers are also the sameNo. 1001 - No. 1360.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 09:30 | 8589 Anonymous
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Hey Sachs, were you on here when Shaza was pushing his Chinese stock plan? Harde har har har. How do you like me now?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:38 | 8310 Shaza (not verified)
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Go long Carbon Assets! (SPEW)

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:44 | 8318 Anonymous
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Beck is getting his data from Taibbi's article in Rolling Stone. He's even using the same sentences.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 20:54 | 8326 Anonymous
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i think GB is drinking again - this is 1st lucid thought since....i guess his last drink

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:03 | 8332 Charles Wilson
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And here we go:


"beck is a newsfaker who may speak truth quite often to keep the conservative element in line with the bush crime syndicate."


Thus destroying any possible credibility you might have started with.  You must think that an empty suit with "My name is Obama and I live at 1600 Pensulvaynya Ave.  Help me fin my way home" pinned to the lapel must be just Ducky.  What a Morone.


Go ahead and believe that. Go right ahead.


As to Beck, I remember him when he got started at WFLA.  He doesn't do his "Corky" material anymore or call immigrants running 7-11s in different cities asking questions like "What 11 letter word do most Harvard graduates pronounce "Incorrectly"?" but that's the problem.  You seem to think that Truth is Class Functional and since Beck is a member of an inauthentic class, he is easily dismissed.


But, no, his assertions cannot be so easily denied.  Have YOU read what Paulson and the other Oligarchs said when the Crash that THEY caused began? No, I didn't think so. You were probably discussing Maureen Dowd's latest Hate Commentary.  With approval



Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:24 | 8351 Project Mayhem
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Well just because someone is criticising Bush doesn't necessarily imply support for Obama. 


As for me, I can't stand any of these criminals -- to include the past three administrations.  It's all been downhill since Summers' little gem  Gibson's Paradox ,  and if we trace it back it's really all been downhill since 1913 (if we want to get technical about it/)


Gibson's Paradox and the Gold Standard

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:51 | 8379 Charles Wilson
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Project Mayhem stated:


"Well just because someone is criticising Bush doesn't necessarily imply support for Obama."


Agreed.  Also agree with much/most/all of your following statements, but let's not lose our way in the analysis of the vitriol that's been passed around here.  It shouldn't be that easy to Hegelianize the emotional pointers so easily ( W => { Bad }, Obama => {Good } ) when the SUBJECT MATTER is the Entrapment of our Government Apparatus by Hank Kimble Paulson, Little Timmy Geithner and Gentle "The Helicopter" Ben.


Glenn Beck is certainly not the problem.  Keith Olberman isn't either although he gets more wrong in one hour than most Bi-Polars do.  Ugh.


Focus people, focus.



Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:21 | 8398 Project Mayhem
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As you may have notice, Project Mayhem has a serious problem maintaining focus.


Anyway -- I agree, Glenn Beck is just a media shill . . . The real crime is up at the top, for example, in the meetings between Lewis, Geithner, Paulson, etc.  I mean, as someone posted earlier, Paulson made hundreds of millions in Goldman stock ($500 million? $700 million?  Tax-free nonetheless!).  Hank probably has a net worth well north of a $billion.  Talk about conflict of interest.  What a thief.


Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:12 | 8339 TomG
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I can't bring myself to play it. I tried to read the comments,

but I can't even do that. A black hole of inanity.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:20 | 8344 Anonymous
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2 months ago GB was defending GS bonuses....why does Glen hate Glen???

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:09 | 8433 Ben_the_Bald
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Glenn is just following the latest change in the GOP tactics. They have decided that they must move away from the corporatist agenda in relation to the economy and especially Wall Street and try to walk the dangerous populist walk. However they are all basically rudderless and bound to change their tactics in a moment's notice.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:40 | 8368 Anonymous
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Not to worry. As with nature's aversion to vacuums, markets abhor monopoly.

"2 months ago GB was defending GS bonuses..."

Just defending against Gubmint breaking of contracts. Gubmint should enforce them, not break them. It's all fuzzy logic anyway

Love the Captcha IQ tests. Can we do one in binary or hex? :)

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:43 | 8373 Anonymous
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The sad truth us that Glenn Beck is correct in this case. As a capaign volunteer for then-Senator, now-President Obama, I believe we must hold the Obama administration accountable for continuing the Bush administration's policy of shoveling taxpayer money into the accounts of extremely rich bankers.

The Obama administration are lamenting the suffering of middle class and poor Americans, all the while giving more money paid by middle-class and poor Americans to extremely rich bankers.

I recommnd to everyone Matt Taibbi's excellent article in the new Rolling Stone magazine.

Why are Goldman Sachs friends and former staff at the highest positions of the Obama administraiton? Why is Mr. Geithner, who failed to oversee Goldman Sachs as chief of the New York Fed, now Treasury Secretary? Why is Mr. Summers the top financial adviser?

Why are Obama supporters putting up with this?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 21:43 | 8374 Anonymous
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Note to some of the posters on this thread: Only morons and the insane believe in a "911 conspiracy" involving the government. Please: don't breed.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:00 | 8384 Project Mayhem
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Hello sir.  I assume you can read, although your logic leaves something to be desired.  First I will ask if you are a man of science?   If so, are you familiar with Optical Microscopy?  Scanning Electron Microscopy?  X-ray Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy? Differential Scanning Calorimetry?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:31 | 8457 Anonymous
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Sorry. I left my X-Ray Energy Dispersive Spectroscope in my Montana cabin. It's right next to my neatly typed manifesto.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:01 | 8385 FischerBlack
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Only morons and the insane believe in a "911 conspiracy" involving the government.


Are you saying that because you believe it to be impossible? Or because after reviewing the facts and evidence you have come to the determination it's just not true? I personally have spent some time on the subject, and, quite honestly, I give it a 10% chance of having been an inside job. I don't know anyone who thinks I'm insane (though moron -- guilty, as charged).

Having admitted I give it a 10% chance of being an inside job, would you say I believe in a 9-11 conspiracy? Are we allowed to use probabilities or is everything black and white?

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:29 | 8454 Anonymous
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We can use probabilities: I'd say that would give you about a 10% chance of being a moron or insane.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:37 | 8461 FischerBlack
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You really don't understand what I just wrote, do you... That's okay. A 10% probability of something is low enough for me not to bother too much about it. But know-nothings like yourself who spout off categorical dismissals of bodies of evidence without even expressing a confidence interval deserve to be put in their place.

So, back in your place, know-nothing.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 03:31 | 8531 MsCreant
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Your 10% works for me. I have not heard it like that before. I am not one who believes in all the 9/11 theories, but I have friends who do (some of them hard science folks) and I insist on keeping an open mind. That is different than believing it all. With all that we know to be true about our crumbling economy, why is it impossible that we let them fly where they wanted to?

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 07:38 | 8557 FischerBlack
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One of my favorite economists at GMU has done analysis on the question of why rational people disagree. Rational people, with the same facts and evidence, should never disagree. When they do, it's because one of them is being irrational or in the act of sending a social signal about something else. It's a powerful concept, and it's taught me to think in probabilities about many things other than trading. Traders naturally think in probabilities, but even the most rational trader forgets that almost everything else in life is just as uncertain as the markets. 

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 00:07 | 8475 Ben_the_Bald
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Well, you are going to get some heat here. This site is full of conspiracy theory aficionados. Want to bait them? Start a thread about Apollo 11.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:10 | 8393 FischerBlack
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Glen Beck, sorry to his fans, had the world's ear and flubbed his way through what could have been a powerful illustration of Goldman's tentacular reach into government, regulation ,and our pockets. That segment was just terrible. He was totally winging it. Taibbi would have done a much better job, and he gets paid maybe a tenth of what Beck gets paid. What a poor showing, and very frustrating.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:10 | 8434 agrotera
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That is what i was thinking...why didn't he just ask Mr. Taibbi to come on the show for the WHOLE hour!!!  And, it would have been good if some time had been given to how much effort has been placed on discrediting his article!

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:26 | 8450 FischerBlack
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With you 100%.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:11 | 8395 Anonymous
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Good post, glenn beck is one of few who doesn't bow down to the MSM.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:57 | 8420 Anonymous
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how can you say that? he works for the MSM. On the radio, he works for Clear Channel Radio and on the talmud vision he works for faux news owned by that bastion of liberty rupert murdoch. do you think for one minute glenn beck is given carte blanche on his program? think about it...

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 02:47 | 8527 Miles Kendig
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WhoT!  Glenn Beck is MSM.  hahahahahaha  Just like that guy on Fox who says; "Never trust the MSM and oh by the way I am #1 on cable news".  hahahahaha

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:42 | 8413 Anonymous
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Glenn Beck is a total turd. Just to quote him is pathetic.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 22:45 | 8415 Stuart
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Have no doubt about what Glenn B is disclosing and insinuating but no one is going to do anything substantial about it.     Is going to be dismissed as a bunch of tinfoil conspiracists bitching to the converted.   Obama I had hoped was voted into clean this up, but he's just another banker whore getting it up the ass by these bastards.   
Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:58 | 8466 agrotera
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Stuart, in my opinion, if we have any hope in maintaining (or reviving) the integrity of our republic, we have got to accept the fact that our country's president is where the buck stops, and if Obama is now accomplice to the whole financial-government duopoly (thank you Shaza) then he is responsible and guilty for any harm produced from his acceptance of the paulson/bernake plan among other things. Giving Obama a free pass by making him a victim is a real problem.

My hope is that a group of our country's finest young adults with the most extreme scruples (the younger the better ) will get together, and run out of office every corrupt senator and representative we have in Washington(most will have to be run out of office)--and that they will campaign as a group across the whole nation--on the platform that they won't be bought, and that they want limited terms and that this will bring the change that everyone wanted when they voted for Obama.  Imagine if Matt Taibbi decided to dedicate the next few years to one term as an elected official, and he could get together enough people from each state to replace all the corrupt, to bring to Washington, truth, honesty and real regard for the people of this country.  And the next part of my hope for this country is that the next president, will be a leader to this group, representing the ultimate in not being owned by any group, and that we can have this new group, take us back to our roots and forward to the future that we all want for our country.

And, with a group like this, dissent would be highly prized and deals wouldn't be struck in secret.

Thu, 07/16/2009 - 23:00 | 8423 Anonymous
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so they vote for the hate crimes bill right now, this evening. strange, how things are moving so fast now. can you say, american insurgency? i knew you could.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 00:11 | 8477 Anonymous
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it's over, move on. why are you still participating? you are as guilty as them because you know what's wrong but do nothing about it.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 00:15 | 8478 Anonymous
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Huh? Glenn beck didn't 'explain' anything. He just doodled and rambled. I suppose it's a good sign that even a dim bulb like Beck (and presumably his fans) can almost, sort-of get their heads around what's happening, but his juvenile schtick is not particularly enlightening.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 06:48 | 8549 Anonymous
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Many of the comments on this thread show #2186 is dead on: "they hide truth with truth" we can't even get out of our own way, mixing plain, demonstrable facts (the GS connections) wiht rants about 9/11, Freemasons, and other truly fringe stuff. No wonder they laugh at us and keep going.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 07:20 | 8555 silencedogood
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Hmmm...I am an actual Freemason as was Benjamin Franklin.  What I do for Freemasonry is go out in the community and help homeless veterans get assistance and other community projects.  Yet we have a few folks here that are laughably ignorant of what freemasons actually do.  Read up a little more on the Tea Party of old and see if you see Freemasonry's hand in starting a political revoloution.  Perhaps another is needed to free the people from the yoke of corporations who appear to have subverted our republic.


Fri, 07/17/2009 - 11:15 | 8649 Anonymous
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Yes, there is much confusion among conspiracy theorists regarding Freemasonry. I try to point out to people that Freemasonry is not some satanic group, and that many of the founding fathers were Freemasons. By the way, great name--"Silencedogood"...Franklin's secret pen name.

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 11:34 | 8662 Anonymous
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you may think it is not satanic but you dont' even know what the hell you are talking about? so tell me mr mason. Were Jesus Christ and Satan brothers? duh????

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 11:28 | 8659 Anonymous
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Oh so you are a freemason and now you are going to hit us over the head and tell us how great you guys are????

Makes sense to me. No wonder you like yids so much.

Here is a little information for you. You may think you are part of the big game , in that little secretive Kabbalahistic organization but here is the dirty little secret for you. Chump stains like you are kept on the outer layers to make it appear that freemasonry is about good works, and the sheep see white guys with suits on, walking around on the outside and say to themselves, oh , they are cool. But deep inside the temple the yids work overtime for their new world order and when the time comes, they will dispense with useful idiots like yourself in a New York minute. How do you like me now pal?

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 08:25 | 8571 Fulcanelli
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Until enough people decide to do as the large corporations do, buy representation by buying congress critters, this will continue.

We should just flat out ask our congresspeople in public and on camera "If we replace corporate campaign contributions with contributions from ordinary citizens so you can get re-elected, will you do our bidding instead of theirs?"

It's not complicated. They're whores, doing what whores do. So get out your wallet and unzip your fly...

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 13:36 | 8821 Anonymous
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What all these names have in common?

Fri, 07/17/2009 - 23:03 | 9180 Anonymous
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I think if I was in Hank Paulson's position, I would look to other Goldman alum for advice as well. Where else would he look? Washington? Elsewhere on Wall St where banks are going under right and left? It seems like everyone who doesn't suck works for Goldman Sachs.

For all the ranting and name-calling, none of you have any real evidence of wrongdoing by Goldman Sachs.


Sat, 07/18/2009 - 01:56 | 9262 Anonymous
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9/11 Believers are the tin-foil hat fools. Any simple look at the official story shows it's full of massive holes. Where is the 9/11 Believer who can offer a credible explanation for the collapse of WTC Building #7?

Who is sooo stupid that they believe Larry Silverstein?

Who is the 9/11 Official Believer that can explain the huge surge in UAL puts on September 7? Bloomberg doesn't have an explanation. "Over three days before terrorists flattened the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, there was more than 25 times the previous daily average trading in a Morgan Stanley "put" option that makes money when shares fall below $45. Trading in similar AMR and UAL put options, which make money when their stocks fall below $30 apiece, surged to as much as 285 times the average trading up to that time." SEC asks Goldman, Lehman for data, Bloomberg News, 9/20/01

If you are a 9/11 Official Story Believer, you are either a fool, an overly emotional person that can't face facts or someone in-bed with the fascist oligarchy for one reason or another, ie. $$$'s

Sat, 07/18/2009 - 01:56 | 9263 Anonymous
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9/11 Believers are the tin-foil hat fools. Any simple look at the official story shows it's full of massive holes. Where is the 9/11 Believer who can offer a credible explanation for the collapse of WTC Building #7?

Who is sooo stupid that they believe Larry Silverstein?

Who is the 9/11 Official Believer that can explain the huge surge in UAL puts on September 7? Bloomberg doesn't have an explanation. "Over three days before terrorists flattened the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, there was more than 25 times the previous daily average trading in a Morgan Stanley "put" option that makes money when shares fall below $45. Trading in similar AMR and UAL put options, which make money when their stocks fall below $30 apiece, surged to as much as 285 times the average trading up to that time." SEC asks Goldman, Lehman for data, Bloomberg News, 9/20/01

If you are a 9/11 Official Story Believer, you are either a fool, an overly emotional person that can't face facts or someone in-bed with the fascist oligarchy for one reason or another, ie. $$$'s

Sat, 07/18/2009 - 10:33 | 9458 Anonymous
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Maybe, but if you constantly blend your conspiracies together, ranting about 9/11 on a Goldman Sachs website, for example, while also casually calling people 'fascists' and 'oligarchs', you sound like an idiot, and the whole world will dismiss you as one.

Sun, 07/19/2009 - 03:56 | 9857 Anonymous
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#9458 Weak weak response. ... With the requisite ad hominem attack. You need to get a new playbook 'cause the old one stopped working, making you, you know ... sound like an idiot, and the whole world will dismiss you as one.

Sun, 07/19/2009 - 15:19 | 9982 Anonymous
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This business of mocking a broadcaster as a shill is foolish. None of you would do better, since your first hint of needing or wanting some real revolution would be your last day broadcasting.

Buildings as short as 3 levels...parking decks for example...have been documented to pancake with a lot less force initiating the collapse than a 150 KT aircraft flying in. Moreover, the collapse of one floor onto the second is a small event (in those cases). When floor 88 collapsed onto floor 86, it carried all the floors above. No building could have stood that; the force of 22 floors falling 1 floor is simply not sustainable.

There is one point threaded throughout the comments however that is important to keep in mind. All the broadcast/cable talkers are pressure-relief valves that the government will permit to operate so long as that seems to be their major function. Whatever the value you ascribe to elected officials, the target for your strong letters is them, not Limbaugh, Beck, etc., etc, and not each other. They are not impervious to repeated written argument, as much as their staffs would like you to believe otherwise.

Sun, 07/19/2009 - 21:02 | 10069 Anonymous
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So appologist #9982, keep it simple. What happened to WTC Building #7? No plane hit Bldg. #7. Check out Barry Jennings, NYC housing official who was in BLDG #7.

Check out "Lucky" Larry Silverstein who made about $5Billion in 4 months when he took over the lease of the WTC a constant money loser and bought insuraunce to pay off in the event of a "terrorist attack". What was in the lease he negotiated with Mr. Lewis Eisenberg, Chairman of the Port Authority for New York. Mr. Eisenberg was a general partner and co-head of the equity division of Goldman Sachs.

Watch #7 come down at the speed of gravity and still say you believe the official explanation. Impossible, ... unless you have an agenda besides truth.

Mon, 07/20/2009 - 09:28 | 10204 Anonymous
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Mark Leibovitt at's been discussing this for months. He takes it a step further in describing their ability to control certain investment markets. Don't kid yourself, "Government Sachs" is in control.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!