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Global Community Condemns Israeli Actions As Crowds Of Protesting Turks Scream “Long Live Global Intifada”
Things for Israel are getting from bad to worse. The Israeli attack on 6 Turkish ships carrying aid to Gaza, which has left 19 dead and 36 wounded according to latest estimates by Israel's Channel 10 TV, has drawn a wave of global outrage, resulting in "widespread international condemnation of Israel, with Israeli envoys summoned to explain their country’s actions in several European countries" according to the NYT. Additionally, Turkish website World Bulletin has formally branded Israel's attack "privacy" (no, not another stab at Google killer du jour Facebook, but a reference to government authorized attack on foreign shipping). Turkey's foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu has said he will create an international legal case against this case of piracy and that "Israel's attitude has hurt the conscience of all humanity." Also, Turkey has joined the bandwagon of countries condemning the Gaza blockade, and is now openly supportive of the Hamas cause: "We hope that Israel learns lessons from this incident. Israel's blockade on Gaza is against laws and is not legitimate, Davutoglu said." Prime Miniter Erdogan also voiced in, saying: "by attacking innocent civilians, Israel displayed to the whole world its disregard of human values." The head of the Turkish Grand National Assembly’s Foreign Affairs Commission said, “We are going to see in the following days whether Israel has done it
as a display of decisiveness or to commit political suicide.” Making a strong case for the latter, minutes ago Reuters reported that Israel PM Netanyahu has canceled plans to meet president Obama on Tuesday as was previously scheduled.
Turkey recalled its ambasaddor in Tel Aviv as of Monday, even as Israel told all its citizens to get the hell out of dodge, which is a smart thing - everyone knows not to mess around with the descendants of the Ottomans and the Seljuks when angry. And pissed off they are:
Thousands of protesters gathered in Istanbul’s Taksim Square, chanting anti-Israeli slogans and repeating Islamic verses while government officials called for calm and urged demonstrators to avoid retaliation against Israeli nationals.
Protesters met in front of the Israeli Consulate earlier and marched toward the square carrying a banner that read, “Zionist Embassy should close down,” and chanting slogans including “Damn Israel” and “Long live global intifada.”
Crowds also gathered outside the Ankara residence of Gabi Levi, the Israeli ambassador, who was summoned to the Foreign Ministry.
Also, with Israel amassing a nuclear-armed Armada in the Persian Gulf, it may have considered for a more opportune moment before stirring the Muslim hornet's nest:
The outcry from Muslim leaders was strong and immediate. Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, called the incident “a massacre,” according to the official Wafa news agency. Mr. Abbas is to meet with President Obama in Washington next week.
Saad Hariri, the Lebanese prime minister, denounced the raid as “a dangerous and crazy step that will exacerbate tensions in the region,” while the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said it was “inhuman.”
All in all, just another day in the life of an increasingly unstable world, where even Bloomberg is forced to publish such oximoronic sentences as the following: "European stocks and oil advanced as
investors speculated the economy is strong enough to withstand
the region’s debt crisis. Spanish government bonds fell after
Fitch Ratings stripped the nation of its AAA rating."
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If I didn't know any better, I'd say the Israeli powers actually WANT a war...
Considering the U.S. presence in Iraq: how convenient. Suddenly it all makes sense. The question isn't the war; it's who will fight it.
Our *volunteer* military is policing the Koreas, Afghanistan/Pakistan, and Israel/Iran. Think about that for awhile everyone. Three nuclear proliferation hotbeds, and the U.S. has decided to be Team America: World Police.
But don't worry: Hillary Clinton is on the job.
>Considering the U.S. presence in Iraq: how convenient.
Oh, of course!
and the U.S. has decided to be Team America: World Police.
Seriously? Do you not know what empire means? Or do you think that America is not the current one?
L. O. L. ..... thanks for saying that ! it made my day.
And the crimes of the Fed and New York financial firms will just return to the shadows from whence they came and the mortals will turn their attention to more pressing matters such as the oil spill and war.
In 5 years the game begins anew with an overhauled cast of characters.
Everything that is happening confirms history as storytelling. Banksters in trouble? Start a war, or even better, start a couple of wars and ramp up a couple of others. Truth is stranger than fiction because it's real. These developments are nothing short of remarkable. A giant confirmation bias-reinforcing series of events.
Former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College Dr. Alan Sabrosky has made startling claims about Israeli Mossad involvement in 9/11. One thing is certian, Israel continues to act like a terrorist state...
+100
Nothing will change until this formula is widely understood. Sadly, our education system is designed to hide obvious patterns.
End the Fed.
Turkey is a member of NATO, yes?
LOL! You said "NATO"
Fight a war without allies?
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/israeli-allies-freeze-military-ties-dea...
Israel has fucked up big time.
Don't be silly. Israel needs only one friend.
And not for the
first time:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucASnDua9BE&feature=related
Some people hail "Vive La France !" or "Long Live the Queen !". Some might even say "Cheers to Peace and Happiness".
"Long Live the Global Intifada" doesn't have the same ring to it doesn't it ?
Each to his own I suppose.
"Long Live the Global Intifada" sounds terrific to me. I'm onboard. What about you?
Are you telling me that along with all your other obvious problems, you goons in places like Kyryat Arba have tin ears?
Sucks to be you.
I've got my popcorn, gold, and high dividend stocks. Am I missing anything?
A soul?
The devil probably bought it many moons ago. Satan's pawn shop is pretty full these days.
Shut up psycho, nobody here wants to listen to your crazy.
ever wonder why rosenfelt changed his name to roosevelt?
Franklin Delano Roosevelt's
Extensive Jewish Family Tree
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-roosevelt.html
"Jewwatch.com?"
Really?
You should know it best, shouldn't you; you sick demented fuck.
indeed
That bubble already popped.
Didn't you trade yours in at the top?
I held via an ETF and they couldn't deliver physical.
ROTFL
your hedges on your gold and dividend stocks.
Israel has seen worse protests than this. They can do whatever the hell they want given the electoral college vote count of NY and FLA.
Speaking of souls for sale, the Banksters have purchased more than the pols of NY and FL for their prized bete-noire.
They just do what the Nazis did to them.
Putting people into Ghetto's : Check
Starving people in the Ghetto's : Check
Deny schools for the children : Check
Shoot on sight to anybody who posses a threath : Check
Bulldozer down houses because god says it's theirs : Check
Kill people because their god says they may : Check
Tell people that THEY are the victim here to justify their actions : Check
Ignore whatever the rest of the world says because they are also evil : Check
Use vastly suppior weapons against slingshots : Check
HE WHO THROWS A PEBLE TO PROTEST TO THEM GET'S A TOMAHAWK IN RETURN
denying the holocaust is a crime in the usa
wow !
now thats power..hats off to the lobby !
I bet it's even illegal to say I understand the palistinians for protecting their homes.
hats off to the FEDERAL RESERVE
And the SEC and GS and Madoff and the POTUS and both houses of congress, AIPAC and their web of affiliated orgs, ... It's a long list.
The "palestinians" are poor because they are stupid: Marxism plus Islamism is stupid squared, combining the poorest economic system, famous for bringing misery everywhere it is tried, with all the benefits of a famously dehumanizing sect. The reason there are so many palestinians, average age of the population being about 15 mind you, is that they live off of western aid. So you can add the uplifiting effect of welfare on their self-estime and motivation, and calculate correctly that in their minds they are perma-victims. Reason cannot penetrate their mental sheilds. The UN "refugee" "camps" are welfare ghettos, full of spiteful, hateful, ignorant, unproductivement people, paid for by you and me. The surrounding arabs don't give a toss, or else they'd help drain this swamp rather than forcing these camps to exist: The palestinians are treated as the lowest of the low in all the surrounding Middle East countries. Only Israel had a guest worker program and so forth, but that had to end, thanks to the Intifida PLUS suicide bomber terrorism. Add to that the rain of rockets from Gaza, a formerly rich area turned over to the idiot horde, and its starts to make sense as to why the government of Israel has an interest in blocking all "aid" that cannot be inspected down the last little shoebox of stuff. Semtex and anthrax and even AK47 rounds are famously compact.
you really think they want to live in those camps because of all the luxury they get?!
Why not throw all the black people and poor people in the US also in camps where they can enjoy the luxury!
But if they come out after 20 o'clock, we shoot them!
If they want to walk around freely, we shoot them!
They want to see a doctor, we shoot them!
They want to protest and use their freedom of speech, we shoot them!
Let's just start putting all the unemployed and poor and sick and enabled people in the camps!
Also throw in everybody who doesn't think or look like me! I'll start with you! You'll love it there, and if not, I'LL BOMB YOUR HOUSE AND SHOOT DOWN YOUR FAMILY!
And if one dears to carry a gun or protest, WE JUST BOMB THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!
YES WE CAN!
Nice SD.
Add to this there are no such people as "palestinians". That is a false identity created to explain away their stupid mistake in refusing to create a country of their own when the state of Israel was created in the 1940's.
The "palestinians" never lose a chance to be the abused pawns of their Arab masters, never lose a chance at failure. There are "refugee" camps in Gaza that are older than I, where people's living costs have been covered by my tax dollars for the past five decades. A normal people would have declared themselves a county and gone about building a life for themselves without their Israeli neighbors. Instead they abuse themselves to prove their victimhood. They are an embarrassment to humanity.
The "palestinians" are a people cursed by their own stupidity, hatred and violent hearts.
Your stupidity should earn a place in the Guinness book of records.
Your one sad sad person...
You don't provide an argument either way though, you just profer insults.
On the ground, in Palestine, you find one of the most thoroughly ruined peoples on the planet. The victim mentality and the welfare heaped upon them have created this horde of utterly ineffective people living in near total dependence, breeding at warp speed and infecting this teaming progeny with psychotic bullshit. I'd call it child abuse, what they do to their children, but the whole place IS childish...average age 15! Its an asylum where the most sociopathic of the inmates run everything.
Oké, I'll put it simple for you:
1. I show up at your house
2. I say, your house is mine
3. You may want to protest against me taking your house and you sit in MY front yard.
4. Every day I drive MY car that I took from you because it was IN MY GARAGE, over your little tent.
5. You try to protest, I shoot your wife, you protest again, I shoot your kids.
After that I call you a coward because you let your kids stay IN MY YARD and that also give me a reason to shoot you because you where such a retard for not moving away!
Also, you are a parasite because you didn't pay rent to me for camping in MY YARD! That gives me a reason to take all your families houses in the same way!
I go to the World Court and they say YOU are in MY house and to get OUT. You thumb your nose at the World Court decision and the World and continue on with your path.
No problemo in your mind. Problemo in my mind. Problemo in the World Court's mind. Problemo in everyone that bothers for a second to inform themselves. No problemo for vast populations that your MSM have put to sleep.
Woe be to YOU when they wake up and find who has been sleeping in MY bed.
World Court?!?! Are you fucking serious?!?
Perhaps you will explain, then, why the Egyptians also enforce the blockade of Gaza?
why the Egyptians also enforce the blockade of Gaza? Is this a trick question?
Because they are paid to by the same corrupt Bankster cabal that runs the anglo-israeli axis of evil. Check it out. $2B++ every year. Egypt is paid to play nice with the evil entity. If they change their mind, they get the Sadam regime change treatment.
We enforce "democracy" via depleted uranium, cruise missles and sniper rounds in Iraq, but we pay the Egyptian tyrants to crush democracy in Eygypt. Why? Because the only meaningful question for any foreign policy issue is - Is it good for the evil entity?
You, sir, know
nothing whatsoever of
the historical facts.
Yeah, not everybody gets to be Gawd's Very Own Special Chosen People.
Israel just gunned down 20 unarmed civilians on an aid ship and you want to talk about Palestinians' hatred and violent hearts? Oh I see ... you are the victim in all of this.
You murder them, drive them from their homes, steal what ever you can and then they won't submit to be the door mats in the Bantustans of you apartheid system. How ungrateful of them.
You shower their schools and hospitals with white phosphorous. You murder them to harvest their organs ... and yet they won't cooperate in their own enslavement. What ingrates.
Yes you are a victim. Remember to keep saying that when the fire storm of inhumanity you willfully created and applauded shows up at your door. Look up hubris, fool.
How about you add a dictionary to your two-book library (the bible, Atlas Shrugged)? Spellcheck, numbnuts. What the fuck is "unproductivement"?
Photoshop.
i think you've got it going the wrong way mate :-)
Photoshop, but if true, a perfect example of the stupidity of the "palestinian" people.
except the nazi really didn't do too much of that:
Is this a Redneck party?!
You are one sick fuck.
except the nazis really didn't do too much of that:
My father was a scientist involved with the Manhattan Project. He was commissioned by the US Government to study Germany's progress toward nuclear weapons right at the end of WW2.
I have slides that he took of red hot, still glowing incinerators at Auswhich (sp?).
I have to call bullshit on this.
A little fact many people overlook...
The surrounding 22 Arab countries are 640 times larger than tiny but truly mighty Israel.
And about 1/1000th as smart, fortunately. Islam will do that to you.
An enlightened comment. Not!
joomedia intentionally mistranslated ahmadinejad's remarks.
"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse." Since Iran has not "attacked another country aggressively for over a century," he said in an e-mail exchange, "I smell the whiff of war propaganda."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html?_r=1
The never ending stream of goons in the MSM, evil-entity, US gov, call daily for regieme change in Iran, but somehow, Ahmadinejad can't turn it back on them?
BTW, Ahmadinejad was born a Jew.
Correct: "Also, with Israel (Turkey) amassing a.. "
It doesn't make any sense. Israelis don't usually go full retard like this. I want to know more about what exactly happened.
Yep, this sounds more like it: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.flotilla.israeli.raid/
CNN?
That's a joke, right?.
fear not
fox is not far behind with the israeli version
Why do you get junked for fox is not far behind with the israeli version?
Do the junkers believe that fox is not putting out the israeli version?
Are they upset because this is an incovenient truth?
Maybe these holocausters don't like your Muslim name, Nazir?
Can I get a ruling from an appartchik in the holocaust-industry? Is it racist to slag a guy just because he has a Muslim name?
That's even stupider than I suspected. Almost funny, actually. Too soon?
CNN? You mean your ministry of propaganda? You feel they got the story right for you? What a surprise. I refuse to subject myself to the BS that is CNN.
I remember Anderson-the-nud-nik trying to explain that Hezboulah put ball bearings in their missles, making them lethal, like cluster-bombs?!? that the IOF was at the very moment carpeting S. Lebanon with. Appologists and stooges. May you all burn in Hell for your long long list of crimes.
I on the other hand am surprised when the Israelis are able to restrain themselves from commiting acts of violence.
Well keep in mind that the rules of engagment are very different on one side versus the other. One side mixes rocket launching sites with schoolchildren, and puts command posts in operating hospitals. The other side takes great precaution to only target the actual bad guys, the assholes for Allah wearing the bedsheets and firing AK's and rockets. Nevertheless, you get results in the media that make it look the other way around. Google up the Jenna "massacre" for a great example. That terrorist camp was wired seven ways to sunday with explosive booby traps. Lots of death and destruction yes, thanks to the assholes blowing up the houses of their own side. Any "innocent" who stuck around for that party committed suicide, or at least won themselves a Darwin award.
Absolutely right. It's a clash of civilizations, or--more accurately--a clash of civilization against barbarism. The muslim horde holds to a cult of mysogeny, hell on earth, slavery, death to infidels, cruel punishments, disregard for the sanctity of life, and wholesale hatred of themselves and everyone else. They suck out loud. The sooner this planet is rid of them the better.
You just perfectly described the Christian right.
You speak in generalities, All Muslims, just like all Christians are not how you describe them.
Now go back to your Klan meeting.
A-motherfucking-men, brother. Well said.
You are one sick, reality-bending, puppy TBT.
You have committed immense crimes against these people. The sooner you acknowledge your inhumanity and try to start repairing what you have done, the better for all humanity.
If not, have fun reaping the whirlwind when it shows up on your doorstep.
They always go full retard. Go full retard first and don't ask any questions later is the IOF mantra. I could make you a long list, but you already know that.
A quick Google search for "zionist nazi collaboration" gave me this web pages:
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/zionist_collaboration_...
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
I think it all makes sense. Zionists were obsessed only with Palestine. If Hitler was terrifying the jews in Europe, european jews should be more inclined to migrate to that distant land in Palestine...
I also found something about secret radiation experiments the zionists did with jewish Sephardi children in Israel:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41475
So, the real "anti-semites" were the zionists all the time.
Israel is a criminal state.
The world needs start act against Israel as it acted against apartheid regime on South Africa in the 70's and the 80's.
It is time to United Nations sanctions against Israel, not against Iran.
Israel IS a criminal state.
Established by criminal powers.
Supported by criminal powers.
They all endanger our lives on all continents.
We are all their victimes the day they start a nuclear war.
Can I have a smoke of that shisha pipe of yours brother ? You aint Rasta friend of Jamaican "Dudus" Coke are ya man ?
Adam Neira I'm warning you man. Stay away from my kidneys you goulish freak.
The quickest route to peace in the Middle East is for the US to nuke Israel. I volunteer to push the button.
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Additionally, Turkish website World Bulletin has formally branded Israel's attack "privacy"
Don't you mean "piracy".
Spellcheck.
TD used the spelling in context (sic) from this link:
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=59289
And if you want to learn more about privacy, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privateer
This looks highly orchestrated - on both sides.
The Israelis have to know that the US gravy train is coming to an end soon. Cleaning up their long-standing issues cannot wait until the cashflow ends. I wonder which incident will be the one manufactured to help the various players reach a solution.
T
this looks highly orchestrated - on both sides
one side guns , helcopters, military style large attack war ships orchestrated lol
other side .. small boats , couple knives, some firefighting axes , two wooden poles, large kitchen cutting cleaver, 15 dead.. yep orchestrated
thanks to the peace people who died to make the effect look good
The US gravy train will never end.
It will end and the Zino-colonists will be runing for the exits like the French in Algiers before them.
The US gravy train will never end.
Turkey is becoming a great example of why it was foolish to support any Muslim state. We have trained them, armed them when they were secular...now they are no longer that now they are reverting to their old Islamist supremacy ways.
Support Israel, is that your wish?
Go fuck yourself!
Why yes I support Israel...I support any country that stands against the muslim bastards trying to inflict their vile beliefs unto the rest of us. I don't really care about whether Israel is Jewish or not...I care that they stand against Islam. And that they do.
We are only fuelling the muslim hate by provocing them over and over again. You can't destroy rebelation with weapons.
You Americans should know this. You honor this on the 4th of July!
Ditto. If you believe in the values of the enlightement, you'd like the whole region to be like Israel: rich, free, and well educated.
I would not like to take this to the religious side, because I do not think any religion is guilty of the crimes of Israel, and there are many adherents of Judaism who condemn Israel.
But I can not stay silent in the face of outrageous attempts to accuse Islam of being a religion of fanatical fundamentalists.
So, let's see what the Bible of Christians and Jews, says on Deuteronomy, chapter 13:
"13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
13:11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you."
Amen.
Quran don't say to you that you have to kill your son, your brother, or your wife because they have a different religion.
Muhammed was a violent person who reveled in his violence. His followers use his example. Just watch what happens if anyone should be so bold as to publish mere cartoons of him. They are killed or sent into hiding. No one feared for their lives when a statue of Christ was put into a vat of piss. Let the muslims be so tolerent and we can talk of co-existence.
One year after 9/11 the people of Indonesia a supposedly "moderate" Islamic state saw 58% of the people have high confidence in Bin Laden. It is a violent religion filled with violent people who use the Koran to justify their violence. They also use Muhammed.
Is it time to bust out the Talmud quotes approvingly calling for murdering goys, stealing from goys, lying to goys, raping young girls, etc.?
On and on I heard about the 72 virgins in the Koran, but no one ever need speak of the skeletons in the Talmudic closet.
Yea we are on the lookout for Orthodox jews who have eliminated or tried to eliminate entire races and religions...you can go ahead and start listing the comparable events, committed by jews, to the Hindu Kush massacres.
You were talking about rancid holy books. I pointed out that yours is full of evil puss and ... you change the subject. How truly predictable of you.
But, OK, I'll play. How about New World slavery, largely funded and run by Jews?
The Jews maintained a smaller geo-political entity than the larger ones, some Muslims were able to construct. But if you go back and look at your own biblical tales, they're all about slaughter slaughter and slaughter of the unJews.
So what's your point? Yes, states cause massacres? Jewish, Christian and Muslim states all have initiated massacres. In the present epoch, the list of Jewish/Israeli crimes against unarmed, innocent civilians is both extensive and well documented. You seem to be forgetting this. Let me help remind you with some notable, representative examples.
o Qibya October 14, 1954 "the UN observers who arrived shortly afterwards noted that:
And original documents of the time showed that Sharon personally ordered his troops to achieve "maximal killing and damage to property"
o El Arish June 8, 1967 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo0yuWsF-vs a.k.a why the USS Liberty was napalmed by the IDF.
o Lebanon ... Sabra Shatila ... Qana 1996 http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/robert_fisk_qana.html Qana 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce9ZBM_fYM0 http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2006/07/qana_massacre_2.php
o Gaza December 2008 - January 2009 "Israel committed actions amounting to war crimes, possibly crimes against humanity." Goldstone (a Jewish S.African judge) UN Report http://www.wildolive.co.uk/goldstone.htm
So do the world a favor and take your appologetic ass elsewhere. Find a way to make amends for the horror you act as a cheer leader for.
Thats it? You compare Hindu Kush to that? You are fucking hilarious. You compare Somalia to that? You compare Iran to that? You compare the Sudan to that? The slavery to that? The treatment of women to that? That is the very fucking best you can do?
You pull random quotes out of a book you do not understand to make a point. I then point out that one group of people has consistently over the ages committed random acts of genocide, they have done this with or without government sanction...but always with the sanction of their book. They have merely acted as the father of their book, Muhammed. And you say I have changed the subject? No I have merely extended it to show the results of either book.
I support any country that stands against the muslim bastards trying to inflict their vile beliefs unto the rest of us.
PierreLegrand - A Jewish Bull Connor? Whoda thunk that?
Hmmmmm, I used to support that policy, of engaging Turkey to keep it from faling into the Islamotard faction. It didn't work and can't work because the conservative element of the Turkish population has been breeding faster than the western-leaning, secular-appreciating part that we wanted to see help. Islam is winning control at the ballot box, and the result will be a country ever more estranged from the ideals of human freedom and the dignity of the individual. The word "Islam" means, literally "submission". It is a totalitarian system.
I really hope you're not the smartest one in your family...
Yo are an idiot who knows nothing about history and Turkey.
Actually... Turkey is part of Europe so Israel attacked Europe.
NUKE THEM!! (Yes Turkey has nuclear bombs with the courtesy of the US)
Turkey is part of NATO, but not yet the EU.
He didn't say EU. He said Turkey is part of Europe. It is. Break out a map and have a look.
Israel has carried out a blatant act of agression against a NATO member state. The NATO treaty mandates that all members respond and come to the defense of the threatened state.
Funny how NATO can get involved in killing goatherders in their own homes but will act to ignore the actions of Israel against a NATO member state.
This incident is not between two sovereign states. Your international jurisprudence is lacking. Stick to Judge Judy.
This incident is not between two sovereign states ...
You have conducted and armed attack on and commandeered Turkish flagged ships in international waters.
How is that not now, an international incident between two sovereign states?
Call Alan Doushowitz and stick you Judge Judy where the sun don't shine.
You are such a pompous fool. Why don't you take a minute and tell us all what a big brain you have? Please, I know you want to and we all could use a good laugh right about now.
Thanks
Nope, Turkey definitely is not a part of Europe. They applied for membership back in 2005 however it has not been approved over human rights issues or something.
The excuses are neverending. Ask Europeans on the street and they'll explain that Turkey is not European in the cultural sense, whatever the geographers may like to claim with their handwaving arguments as to what subcontinent Turkey (or half of Turkey) is on.
Yes and as soon as they finish nuking Israel they will nuke the west. Way to go secular west! You have armed the folks who beat down the last people to beat down Western civilization with nukes.
PL a.k.a Bull Connor - Who introduced nuclear weapons of mass destruction into the Middle East?
Your favorite evil entity did along with the help of the Aparthied regieme in S. Africa.
Your statement doesn't even make sense.
By the last people to beat down Western civilization are you refering to the Turks?
Then the folks who beat down the last people to beat down Western civilization means You are talking about the Harpsburgs. We gave Nukes to the Harpsburgs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seige_of_Vienna
Really, the last people to beat down on Western civilization is your Bankster mafia. Unfortunately, they're still at it and no one has put them to rest yet.
Look in the mirror PL. You are the existential threat.
Israels nukes are the only thing between it and extinction...there is a difference between who holds the gun. Given that the Palestinians sided with Hitler I am happy to see them defenseless.
We can only hope that Iran is as reluctant to use them as Israel. Likely Iran will funnel them to Hamas or Hezbollah...and then things get real fun. And you are probably a Truther, so you don't believe Al Qaeda exists, as this board is infected with that nonsense but regardless Iran would have no problem giving a nuke to Al Qaeda.
Typical leftist, insults instead of argument.
A lesson for all peaceniks out there: this is what "land for peace" gets you.
A similar problem has occurred in the American southwest where we are giving up land to the Mexicans.
How would Turkey feel if "compassionate" Greeks and their humanitarian friends chartered some nice yachts and sailed into Turkish waters armed and dangerous to liberate their cousins on Imbros and Istanbul ? They would be dispatched by F16's quicker than you could say Galatasaray 3 Olympiakos 0
This flotilla had objectives other than purely altruistic motives. The organisers and their backers were itching for a confrontation. The Israelis were prepared. National sovereignty and maritime borders must be respected. None of the Arab nations batted an eyelid for years over the barrage of rockets falling on the south of Israel. In fact it was more like "Nudge, nudge, wink, wink" in the souks and alleyways of Damascus, Cairo, Beirut et.al. There are a lot of mixed messages coming out of Turkey over the last twelve months. It can be a big player in the Middle East peace game if it plays its shesh-besh correctly. Some recalibration needs to occur pronto.
+10,000
and 1.
How would Adam feel if I bulldozed his house and forced him into a ghetto...?
National sovereignty and maritime borders must be respected.
Why don't you get this tattooed on your forehead, backwards, so you can read it when you look in the mirror? What an ignorant hypocrite you are.
o The ships were in international waters. (Y/N)
o You have stomped all over the national sovereignty of every place in the region and many far beyond. (Y/N)
BTW - Greek boats go to Turkey all the time.
And Mitchman - big disappointment. Get out of the tribal thing and into the human race. Thanks.
Were these people trying to run a blockade? YES. Was there a demonstrable need for "humanitarian" relief for the Gaza strip? NO. Has the Gaza strip been used to launch military and terrorist strikes against Israel? YES. Is the Gaza strip so radicalized that they are essemtially at war with their "brothers" on the West Bank? YES.
And this is the mess these troublemakers stuck their heads into. No country enforcing a blockade will let that blockade be run through. Was this conveniently timed at the time where Israeli satellite intelligence was picking up the movement of ballistic missiles into position to strike at Israel so that attention would be shifted away from Syria's and Hezbolla's aggressive moves? Is the deploynent of nuclear-armed Israeli subs off the coast of Iran perhaps a warning that if missles rain down on Israel the source of the missiles will be held accountable?
False flag...False flag...all the NEOs of ZH.........WWI n WWII were both ZIONIST false flag....
"You Have been deceived........ NEOs"
As I said elsewhere, the key in all this is to see how Israel's relations with Turkey degenerate. The IDF screwed up here, they acted with brute force, as they typically do, but it really wasn't warranted. We will be discussing Israel and Palestine till we die. It's really a hopeless cause. Too bad, because I really do believe that most Israelis and Palestinians genuinely want to live in peace.
One more thing: I tell off my friends who blame "the f*cking Jews" for all the world's ills. The issues in the Middle East are not going to resolved easily, but when Israeli commandos act like war criminals, then they're not helping their cause or bolstering world sympathy.
The Jewish Holocaust was a terrible humanitarian crime, but so is what is going on in Gaza today. Of course it's not the same thing, but you'd expect enlightened Jews to be a little more sympathetic to humanitarian needs.
All I know is you can't go on oppressing people while you throw out empty rhetoric on peace. It amazes me how shortsighted Israel's policy is in this regard. If they truly want Israel to prosper in peace, then they absolutely need to reverse course or ultimately risk self-destruction.
The key to all this is how Turkey's relations with the West have been degenerating. Turkey, because of its strategic location, has always been the prize. Turkey is part of NATO for Heaven's sake! But now, under the watchful and idiotic, moronic and incredibly naive eye of the Administration, Turkey is making overtures to Iran and is openly supporting a movement that the UNited States has labeled (with good reason) a terrorist organization.
Well, NATO following the breakup of the Soviet Union isn't all that useful. Turkey had a role there, in that time, but that time is past, and Turkey is transitioning from a secular governed islamic country towards an islamic state. That's sprouting out of the ballot box, which itself is shifting thanks to changing demography. The less educated, conservative Turks (in the Islamotard sense of conservative) have been out breeding the the western leaning, secular element. The results look inevitable at this point. The Europeans are right to cook up excuses for delaying the integration into the EU. They have enough problems of their own with the rise of Islam in their own populations as it is.
"Turkey is transitioning from a secular governed islamic country towards an islamic state."
This is deeply concerning because Turkey always prided itself on its secular foundations. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk would never have accepted this religious shift or any radical shift towards an Islamic state.
Expect to be more disturbed twenty years from now, because most of Europe is on the same path.
Who sez we have 20 years...unless of course you're one of the chosen few who will be taken underground....
Wow, Leo, I find myself saying 'Attaboy' to you for getting it on Ataturk.
The US (former Bush and current Obama administrations) and the EU governments
along with full team of EU bureaucrats have been unconditionally supporting
Islamist AKP and its increasingly despotic leader, Erdogan, and religious cult
leader Fethullah Gulen to showcase Turkey as a 'moderately islamic' country to the rest
of the Muslim world.
Stauncly secular Turkish Military and secular parties (CHP and others) have been
abondoned by Neocons as Islamists were going left and right to do whatever
appease Neocons (Cheney, Abromovitz, etc.) so that they could come into power
and hold onto it as if it is more difficult in a country that has been founded on
secular base by no other than Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Now, let's come to this so called 'humanitarian organization' IHH, meaning in
Turkish also 'humanitarian help organization' founded by strict, devout followers
of religious cult leader, Fethullah Gulen, who happens to be residing (guess where??)
in Saylosburg, Pennslyvania. Yeap, as he was granted Green Card by the US.
His references in his green card applications range from former CIA agent George Fidas
to former US Ambassador to Turkey Morton Abromovitz.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
And, these so called 'Humanitarian' organizations collect money from devout
Muslims montly in developed countries such as Germany, Holland, and the UK
to help poor Muslims across the globe. However, truth is they channel monies
to their islamist political associations and parties (such as the ruling party of AKP
in Turkey).
I, do not defend Israel's disproportionate use of power in international
waters at all but this side of the story needs to be learned as well, imo.
This story has more background info than it seems that needs to be known
by the public.
+ 100
Pretty well said Leo. Thanks.
Mitchman are you reading this?
actually I've just seen some video released by IDF taken from a helicopter above as the boarding party arrives, and they are clearly atttacked by an organised group. At one stage they appear to be attempting to take one of the Israeli commandos as a hostage.
http://www.businessinsider.com/israeli-flotilla-crisis-2010-5
check out the second video
i reckon these were your run of the mill Turkish anarchists who did not realise that the Israelis will not fuck around where their personnel are threatened.
Oh well, changes things as far as im concerned.
If you board a ship, armed and uninvited, in international waters, with the intent to seize the ship, that is the definition of PIRACY. It is right, proper and lawful to resist acts of piracy.
Yes or No?
Your appology is like saying "We saw the crew of the USS Liberty trying to resist the flames. As such, we needed to give them another dose or two of napalm."
Bastards.
Is your comment a "general bastards" bastardised comment, "one bastard in particular" or "no particular bastard that I can name off the top of my head but I enjoyed typing those eight letters in the right order" bastardised comment ?
One liners always confuse me...
One liners always confuse me...
No surprise.
Looking at the sum total of your comments, it is clear you are easily confused.
A 4:30 a.m intercept by commandoes, in the dark then.
So is the refusal to meet with Obama staged?
Here is the video released by the Isrealis claiming they were attacked first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=player_embedded#at=31
Well, I just wrote a letter to the President asking him to end all U.S. government support to Israel.
You are displaying way too much motivation to be a nihilist. Nietzsche wept...
I have read on German news pages that two members of the lower house of German parliament are on the ships. These representives belong to the left wing party.
Many extreme left-wing socialists are seriously deluded individuals. The fact that some people even vote for them shows the pitfalls of democracy.