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Global warming exposed as UN-funded fraud

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Global warming exposed as UN-funded fraud

by Project Mayhem

 

Russian computer hackers have published emails and source code from the UN-affiliated Climate Research Unit showing profound corruption, fraud, and criminal activity. What's really behind the Copenhagen treaty?

 

Recently, Russian hackers published over 160mb of scientific emails and source code taken from the primary 'climate research unit' -- the University of East Anglia, which is the center of UN/IPCC-promoted global warming alarmism. What the emails and data prove is shocking, and may represent the greatest scandal in the history of science.

 

In the emails, these UN-funded scientists talk about deleting data under FOIA request, faking data for journals such as Nature, conspiring to keep opposing science out of peer-reviewed journals (which they controlled the editorial boards), using "tricks" to "hide the [cooling period]" etc.

A picture emerges of big science funded to the tune of billions of dollars for the purposes of an underlying international political agenda. The degree of collusion between big media, the UN, and corrupted scientists involved in frank criminal activity is deeply disturbing. As I have detailed before, the purpose here is a political one. Global warming, or now abstractly identified as 'climate change', has been chosen by international banks and think tanks as the method of induction of vast political and social engineering never before seen in the history of the world.  

We see based on the activities of criminals representing themselves as 'climate scientists' that the politics came first, and the science came second. They were more than happy to represent the political interests of the UN and international banks  -- as long as their lab was well-funded.  But there are politics behind this indeed.  Here is a small sample of the underlying political agenda: Billions in new taxes, International regulatory control under the UN, Goldman Sachs/CCX carbon trading, Obliteration of national sovereignty, extreme forced austerity and reduction of the standard of living, deindustrialization of the First World countries, and implementation of Orwellian state policies for the purposes of "carbon tracking". The science does not matter -- the politics does.

 

Let us consider for a moment the cynical political objectives behind 'global warming' before we delve into the mountain of evidence thanks to the leaked emails and source code.

 

 

Global Warming and Orwellian State Policy

The Dutch government attempts to introduce GPS tracking units in everyone's cars under the pretext of 'climate change'.

 

THE HAGUE — The Dutch government said Friday it wants to introduce a "green" road tax by the kilometre from 2012 aimed at cutting carbon dioxide emissions by 10 percent and halving congestion.

"Each vehicle will be equipped with a GPS device that tracks how many kilometres are driven and when and where. This data will be then be sent to a collection agency that will send out the bill," the transport ministry said in a statement.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iYPTOtIepVKcGL_AcCZFe1ht99UQ

 

 

 

 

Global Warming and New Taxes

One of the primary political aspects of the global warming fraud is the  imposition of a massive and bewildering array of new taxes.  Obviously it is plain to see how this is in the interest of governments and banks, particularly if such taxes are imposed on an individual level.

Carbon Insurance For Your Car May Be Down The Road [Green Gas Taxes at Pumps] by Terry Tamminen (cnbc.com) - Nov. 13, 2009.

"A carbon insurance premium could easily be included in such a gas pump surcharge so drivers pay the true cost of operating their vehicles in terms of all relevant risks, including their fair share of creating both fender benders and climate change collisions."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/33906802

 
Carbon ration account for all proposed by Environment Agency by Ben Webster (timesonline.co.uk) - Nov. 9, 2009.

"Everyone should be given an annual carbon ration and face financial penalties if they exceed it, under a proposal by the Environment Agency"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6909046.ece

 

 

 

 

Global Warming and Personal Autonomy

Selling your house? It could be a green crime

Queensland’s flailing government has now made it a crime to sell your house without first doing a big green audit: 

QUEENSLANDERS selling their homes will soon have to complete a 56-point questionnaire detailing the property’s environmental credentials

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/selling_your_house_it_could_be_a_green_crime

 

 

 

Global Warming and Forced Austerity

The UN has advocated funding global birth control initiatives [read: 'population security'] in order to 'reduce CO2 emissions'.  Of course now we know the connection between CO2 and temperatures is based on fabricated data . . .   So where does that leave such UN population initiatives?

 
UN says Birth control the most effective way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions [UN Wants More Abortions and Sterilizations to cut Co2] by Ben Webster (timesonline.co.uk) - Nov. 19, 2009.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6922245.ece

 

The population control objectives of the global warming fraud do not end there. Andrew Revkin, an NYT correspondent identified in the leaked CRU emails exhibiting a very cozy relationship with the corrupt scientists, advocates restrictions on the number of children couples are permitted to have via the issuance of 'carbon credits'. This is similar to what was advocated by Obama's chief science advisor John Holdren in his book Ecoscience.  There is a political agenda behind global warming.

"Should–probably the single-most concrete and substantive thing an American, young American, could do to lower our carbon footprint is not turning off the lights or driving a Prius, it’s having fewer kids, having fewer children,” said Revkin. “So should there be, eventually you get, should you get credit–If we’re going to become carbon-centric–for having a one-child family when you could have had two or three,” said Revkin.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=55667

 

The above is significant because Revkin is identified in the leaked emails corresponding with the corrupt Climate Research Unit (CRU) and has written many pro-global warming articles for the New York Times.

 

 

 

Global Warming and Systemic Financial Fraud

 

Where would we be in a Zerohedge article without mention of the fraudsters at Goldman Sachs.  No doubt they are present in almost every evil or fraudulent enterprise known to man and global warming is no exception.  Certainly these charlatans plan on making billions trading hallucinated carbon credits on Maurice Strong's Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX).

 

Al Gore's "Carbon Trading" Scam Reeks of Who Else? Goldman

http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/05/al-gores-carbon-trading-scam-reeks-of.html

 

 


 

 

 

These examples illustrate how the global warming fraud is used to push a far-reaching political agenda -- an agenda born out of the unholy fusion of governments , banks, and corrupt scientists. But let us consider now the content of the leaked emails.

 

 
Scientific corruption at the highest levels:

 

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@xxxxx.xxx, mhughes@xxxx.xxx
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx,t.osborn@xxxx.xxx

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH nd N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers
Phil

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxx
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@xxxx.xxx
NR4 7TJ
UK

source: http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7810

Obviously the above email speaks for itself. Despite the glaringly obvious fraud, Phil Jones and his collaborators across the world would have you believe that "trick" and "hiding the decline" are simply normal procedures in any scientific laboratory. The FORTRAN source code tells a different story.

 

 

Climate Research Unit FORTRAN code backs up claims of fraud and corruption

Neal from Climate Audit writes:

"People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the code more of a smoking gun. The code is so hacked around to give predetermined results that it shows the bias of the coder. In other words make the code ignore inconvenient data to show what I want it to show. The code after a quick scan is quite a mess. Anyone with any pride would be to ashamed of to let it out public viewing. As examples [of] bias take a look at the following remarks from the MANN code files:"

 

function mkp2correlation,indts,depts,remts,t,filter=filter,refperiod=refperiod,$
datathresh=datathresh
;
; THIS WORKS WITH REMTS BEING A 2D ARRAY (nseries,ntime) OF MULTIPLE TIMESERIES
; WHOSE INFLUENCE IS TO BE REMOVED. UNFORTUNATELY THE IDL5.4 p_correlate
; FAILS WITH >1 SERIES TO HOLD CONSTANT, SO I HAVE TO REMOVE THEIR INFLUENCE
; FROM BOTH INDTS AND DEPTS USING MULTIPLE LINEAR REGRESSION AND THEN USE THE
; USUAL correlate FUNCTION ON THE RESIDUALS.
;
pro maps12,yrstart,doinfill=doinfill
;
; Plots 24 yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD reconstructions
; of growing season temperatures. Uses “corrected” MXD – but shouldn’t usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to
; the real temperatures.

;

 

"Spin that, spin it to the moon if you want. I’ll believe programmer notes over the word of somebody who stands to gain from suggesting there’s nothing “untowards” about it.

Either the data tells the story of nature or it does not. Data that has been “artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures” is false data, yielding a false result."

-Anthony Watts, Meteorologist

 

source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/22/cru-emails-may-be-open-to-interpretation-but-commented-code-by-the-programmer-tells-the-real-story/

 

 

 

Discussion

The source code above shows that the scientists involved manipulated their data in order to achieve a predetermined outcome. This is fraud, plain and simple. What is worse is these scientists also deliberately deleted the paper trail showing their research was fraudulent when the FOA requests arrived. This is criminal activity at the highest levels, and these people should be investigated and prosecuted. The massive amounts of funding they were provided with was used to lie to the public , in order to achieve the objectives of the UN and its affiliated think tanks, whether these scientists were aware of the implication of their corruption or not. The point is these entire 'climate change' claims need to be thrown in the trash heap and evaluated by competent scientists without financial or political interests in the outcome of their research.  

And above all, the UN's Copenhagen treaty for dramatic forced austerity and international political control should be exposed for the vicious and cynical hoax it actually is.  Copenhagen is the culmination of these fraudulent policies. National sovereignty will once again be reduced under a treaty conceived and funded by think tanks and international banks. Massive taxes will be imposed. Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan will make billions trading hallucinated carbon credits. Orwellian state policies for tracking individuals and interfering in personal autonomy will become acceptable under the pretext of 'stopping climate change', despite the entire rationale being fraudulent. Monopolistic international finance capital and the billionaire elitists behind it believe they are about to achieve another victory over the unwashed masses with the Copenhagen treaty.

The true political objective behind global warming was proven beyond a doubt in the Club of Rome publication The First Global Revolution. Keep in mind Al Gore is a member of this elitist group of policymakers, and even chaired a full Club of Rome meeting in Washington DC in 1997. 

 

"“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."

-Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution, 1991.

We should understand that the international political agenda underlying the falsified global warming scandal is, at its core, an ideology of corrupt banks and politicians intent on framing humanity as the enemy , in order to achieve purposes of social control.  Thus, it is no surprise that the 'science' behind global warming has been exposed as fraudulent.

For in-depth coverage of this growing scandal, see:

http://wattsupwiththat.com

http://smalldeadanimals.com

http://climateaudit.org

 


You can download the full copy of the leaked documents and source code here:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails%2C_data%2C_models%2C_1996-2009 

 

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Wed, 11/25/2009 - 02:10 | 141603 Project Mayhem
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Debord's Society of the Spectacle is good , but mostly plagiarized.  Maybe that's what you'd expect from a man who shot himself through the heart.  I prefer

 

On the Poverty of Student Life (1966)

http://library.nothingness.org/articles/SI/en/display/4

 

I appreciate your contributions even though we disagree on the technicals.

 

Cheers

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 01:40 | 141583 Project Mayhem
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Absolutely correct in my opinion, but some people do not have the time or inclination to delve into ancient books from published from 1870 - 1933 in order to understand where we are going....    I generally avoid these topics for ZH but I do agree with what you are saying.   The letters between Mazzini and Pike are critical.

 

Email me at project.mayhem.research [at] gmail and I will send you several rare pdfs I have acquired

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 01:13 | 141563 Anonymous
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Jim;
Even someone with a subterranean I.Q. knows you can't debate fraud. It is what it is. Cheers

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:35 | 141485 Project Mayhem
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So Jim are you gonna install the GPS unit in your car or what

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 01:03 | 141554 Jim in MN
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I don't like ecofascists any more than the next patriot.  I would rather discuss ecofascism than whether or not we have ecological problems.  We do.

Stephen Breyer, now Supreme Court Justice, wrote an interesting piece long ago in which he tries to balance the need for a technocratic elite against the countervailing need for checks and balances.  Maybe that's worth discussing.  Here is a review and critique from Sheila Jasanoff, herself one of the most distinguished thinkers in the field of 'science and policy' (she wrote The Fifth Branch: Science Advisors as Policymakers among other works):

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3622/is_199404/ai_n8720105/

Although I suppose we could just stick to Leviathan and On Liberty and get the main points out.

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 01:35 | 141569 Project Mayhem
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Good point, but 'ecofascism' is not a rag-tag bunch of well-meaning liberals who want to reduce pollution (as controlled opposition such as Glenn Beck would like to have us believe).   The ideology is funded by banks, particularly some of the wealthiest families on the planet.   Totalitarianism, in all its incarnations, is always funded by banks. In this particular form,  the totalitarianism has nothing to do with reduction of pollution, and everything to do with expanding government control over the lives of private citizens.  I believe Hannah Arendt correctly identifies the structural causes in her work The Origins of Totalitarianism.  We are just moving towards the final historical forms of totalitarian government.

 

ie. The unholy merger of State power with private capital under the guise of a pseudo-religion...  this is why UN 'scientists' were given massive amounts of funding to provide falsified data for the international political objectives of mega-banks.

 

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 01:38 | 141581 Jim in MN
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Well, my original point was that I hope you take this issue and move it somewhat beyond the turgid waters of the science debate and get right at this aspect.  In other words, there is plenty here for future posts.  Generally I am in agreement with what you're saying here and would like to see it brought more to the forefront. 

As someone who appreciates a tradeable emissions permit system in the abstract, I find it particularly horrible to see it drooled over by the Squidian set.  But there it is.  And control is after all its own reward, it unlocks many gates to profit and simple human pleasures of dominance.

I think the ugly process of solving (or failing to solve) complicated problems in complicated global societies is going to be the overriding story of the century--other than simple wars, famines, plagues, cosmic-scale heists and monetary collapses of course. 

Shit. 

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 11:19 | 141972 Anonymous
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The reason you appreciate the the carbon trading scam is because you are one of the scammers. I caught you on one of the another threads getting your ass reamed something about windmills down under, if I recall correctly. Your greedy hubris forced you to come here with your sick elitist brain to do damage control. Your picture gave you away among other things.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:23 | 141468 Anonymous
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Before all of you conspiracy nuts spooge on your keyboards about the vast global warming "Conspiracy", try familiarizing yourself with the hoardes of research, entirely unrelated to anything in those emails, which remain unchanged (especially considering some of the content is 10 years old and has become irrelevant).

Considering the US hasn't spent a penny on climate change, other than an insignificant amount on basic research, this must be the most unsuccessful conspiracy ever. But don't let that get in the way of your ignorance.

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 01:16 | 141557 Project Mayhem
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Considering the broke and rapidly-impoverished US taxpayer funds the UN  (22% of UN funding by my count), and by implication, the IPCC,  we have spent millions on this garbage research which should be more accurately termed 'pseudoscience'.

 

Please do some research before you post,  God knows I spend hours on this,  do me the same courtesy of searching, reading and formulating coherent fact-based arguments if you'd prefer to disagree.   I don't mind disagreement, I often incorporate them into my articles.

 

What I have no tolerance for is people who are too lazy to formulate dynamic and engaging opposing views.

 

"Just under $2 billion in federal funding goes to support climate and global change research in the agencies and departments participating in the USGCRP"

 http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/usgcrp_budget_reporting_impedes_meaningful_oversight/

 

Thanks.

 

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 01:13 | 141550 KevinB
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I just love people like you - here is evidence that, at the very pinnacle of climate research, conspiracy, data adulteration, obfuscation, etc. not only exist, but are actively promoted, not by peons, but by the very top people in the field, and you say "try familiarizing yourself with the hoardes of research" (nice spelling - did you get your GED?). Er, would that be like all the research claiming Antarctica is shrinking, while all the satellite data shows it's basically the same size over the last 40 years? Would that be the "temperature data" based on stations situated next to air conditioner exhausts, over concrete/asphalt pads, and disproportionately distributed among urban/near urban sites? (see surfacestations.org).

And, as usual, you post NO links to your "data", NO links to your "models", NO links to any evidence at all except your own opinion, but you call us "ignorant". Put up or shut up, dweeb.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:20 | 141467 Anonymous
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The Australian goverment has just passed an Environmental Trading Scheme. Surprise surprise; the big polluters are getting billions in subsidies to keep doing their shit while everyday mugs like me look like paying out and additional $1100 a year for having the cheek to use electricity etc. This is just a tax grab disguised as a green initiative.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:07 | 141458 Anonymous
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How prescient the Cato Institute's Sept. 23 "The Dog Ate Global Warming Article" really is:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10578

Starting with the opening question of what if some of the data had been fiddled and working through many of the same points the e-mails bring to question. On Sept 23rd., two months ahead of this e-mail hack. Impressive. I'd say they have firm credibility on this issue at this point.

Amos the Elephant

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:00 | 141451 Anonymous
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global warming is a fraud plain and simple...the un-fundedness of the hoax is immaterial to its deceitfulness....

it is a pile of pure elephant shit and just another tool which the oligarchs are using to impose their wicked totalitarian regime....

constant war / constant fear = constant control.....

rise up to overthrow these men of iniquity....

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 22:56 | 141449 KevinB
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Considerably more coverage, with literally dozens of links, available at "smalldeadanimals.com"

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:32 | 141483 Project Mayhem
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Thanks, smalldeadanimals.com link is highly recommended

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 22:42 | 141439 Anonymous
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Almost all of you are just plain retarded!

You have come up with the idea that global warming is a scam devised by Al Gore and Goldman to create a carbon tax exchange; even though the idea of global warming has been around long before the idea of a carbon tax exchange.

Have you not thought there are groups with far more direct financial interest in proving this incorrect? Are you telling me that Exxon cannot afford to widely publish and advertise results that prove these theories incorrect? Do you think Exxon would not do that if they could find solid proofs?

Do you not see just how fucking retarded you are?

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 00:56 | 141545 Anonymous
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Takes one to know one.

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 00:43 | 141535 Anonymous
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Exxon was or is just fighting fraud!

Known fraud that is now provable!

The burden of proof now rests on the unprovable theories!

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 22:24 | 141415 Anonymous
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Great Post! So, I guess conspiracies do exist afterall - even at the highest levels.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:58 | 141397 Project Mayhem
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Tue, 11/24/2009 - 22:40 | 141431 ZerOhead
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I love you Mayhem... really I do...

(not in a gay kinda way however... not that there is anything wrong with that...)

Post this video often... very often... there are new readers joining us daily...

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:57 | 141396 Anonymous
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I cant imagine that anyone is actually shocked by this story. Since the beginning of time, junk science has been an intregal part of human history. From the medieval alchemists to modern day scientology, the crooks and quacks have always figured out a way to dupe the rubes.

The interesting thing about this story is the fact that it was a bunch of russian hackers who exposed the fraud. It would be interesting to know what the hackers motivations were for exposing this fraud.

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 05:42 | 141692 BorisTheBlade
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The only basis on which it was claimed that russian hackers did that, was the fact that files were first posted on a russian file sharing website. that's it, nothing else.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 22:44 | 141440 ZerOhead
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99% sure it was an inside job. Seriously.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:56 | 141395 Anonymous
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Any absolute not open to question or falsification is regarded as religious dogma.

If global warming is settled science, it is actually religion.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:51 | 141392 Anonymous
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This modus operandi is exactly how the FDA and CDC have operated for decades with drugs, especially with vaccines, and supposed public health "threats." They distort science to make sure their bureaucratic rice bowl gets fed and their Pharma sponsors make money (so the public health bureaucrats have a career after Govt). The H1N1 fraud is just the latest example of FDA and CDC corruption. On an international level, the World Health Organization (WHO) is equally corrupt.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:45 | 141387 steve from virginia
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I don't understand the hostility. Good grief!

I don't understand the fascination of economics/finance blogs with some AGW scientists' e-mails. The outcome is to discredit economics/finance blogs. Maybe the Fed leaked the e-mails. I wouldn't put it past them ...

You should see my e-mails. I don't usually take prisoners and have been known to use ... uh, 'bad words'.

Scientists are people too, and if you read all the comments (here?) scientists feel justifiably under siege. It's hard telling folks that what they do for fun is self destructive and for them to stop doing it. First, they won't believe you and then they get mad. All of this doesn't change either facts or outcomes. Funny thing, the scientists just want people to stop burning coal. What's the big deal?  I don't burn coal, do you?

I understand the scientists. I expend a lot of effort examining/resolving the 'peak oil' issues. On a dollar basis, the world ran out of $15 oil back in 1998. Since the vast majority of all crude oil produced/consumed in all of history cost less than $15 ... well, you all can come to your own conclusions. The outcome is very clear, there will be no more auto industry in a few years. All the cars are going to go and good riddance, frankly! Oil was far to valuable to be wasted by people mindlessly driving in circles and it is gone for good. There will be very little $100 oil produced as few can afford it, too few to support ... and auto industry, for instance.

You can see for yourselves that the auto industry is in the process of collapsing ...along with the rest of the economy which relies on that $15 oil in order to be profitable.

Now, the 'no cars' future isn't my call, so don't get mad. I don't have any authority, the cars will disappear all by themselves, along with investment banks and mortgage securities underwriters. In fact, the entire fuel shortage problem solves itself. Nobody has to do anything, nobody has to get mad ... just keep doing the same ol' same ol'.

The identical situation exists with AGW. Don't do anything - which is what everyone will wind up not- doing, anyway. The problem will solve itself. It may take a half a century or more, but things are indeed 'warming up'. I'm old enough to see the changes. Personally, I don't care. When scientists say there is likely to be a 6 degree Celsius warming, it is possible to check the geologic record and see when such a warming took place ... 6 million years ago.

Hmmm, no humans. Oh well. It was fun for me, how about you?

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:51 | 142160 Anonymous
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"Scientists are people too, and if you read all the comments (here?) scientists feel justifiably under siege.
"

I can't say I agree with the "justifiably" part. The sense of siege the emails convey is that they were going to have to release their data and code under Freedom of Information Act requests--that lead to the "please delete these emails" stuff and the "I'll destroy it before I produce it" stuff. When a scientist starts getting funky about that, it probably means he knows he's going to look pretty bad when the data doesn't support his conclusions.

"Funny thing, the scientists just want people to stop burning coal. What's the big deal? I don't burn coal, do you?"

Do you use electricity? A significant portion of it probably comes from coal plants.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 22:47 | 141443 ZerOhead
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Me? We lost our last three winter wheat crops to extremely cold winters... it cost us plenty... you?

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:09 | 141461 Jim in MN
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A more energetic climate system produces more extremes.  The tails on the distributions move more than the averages. 

Thus your extremely cold winters.  Too much energy in the system bumping the Siberian air your way. 

You have in ALL LIKELIHOOD been impacted by human-induced climate change.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:29 | 141475 ZerOhead
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You are of course refering to the Hadley cells that originate in the tropics and travel over the temperate latitudes descending around 50 degrees north and south of the equator in essence creating the jet streams aren't you? I hope you are or else you know very little about actual climatology... do some research Jim and catch me again next time... I gotta go now and I love these exchanges...

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 00:49 | 141537 Jim in MN
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Ta for now then or as the kids say l8r.

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 15:40 | 142389 ZerOhead
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Listen Jim please take no offence I just love sparring with you... this is what real science is about... debate.

We need to examine both sides of an issue to separate the wheat from the chafff as it were... (Little farmer lingo for ya!)

Thanks again and yes I know you are a sharp cookie :-)

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:24 | 141464 ZerOhead
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Hey how was that snow you guys had a couple of weeks ago Jim?

Let's see if I get this right... If things get very hot it's "Global Warming" and if things get very cold it's "Global Warming". Kinda like heads I win tails you lose don't you think?

Did you read one of the IPCC authors report released a couple of months ago that predicted Global Warming may pause for the next twenty years? Sounds like a stall tactic to me... seriously ... read it then get back to me... you know where I live... sometimes.

And the 'lost heat' that should be there if the models were correct that your guy Trenbeth was worried about in the Emails??? Did you miss that? How could you miss that?

And how about the lack of the high tropospheric and low stratospheric heat signatures above the equator that even the AGW crowd admits MUST occur for the models to be correct... miss that too? Ha ... just look at the radiosonde and satellite data... it's just not there... sorry... nice try.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:32 | 141482 Jim in MN
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Yes, extremes of both hot and cold are to be expected.  It's just basic statistics.  More energy, more chaos and more phase transitions.  We humans 'notice' certain parts of distributions, like plus-100 degree days, and a small change in averages or a flattening of a distribution (more in the tails) is a very noticable thing.  Plants and animals notice too as they often die or leave.

The cool summer in MN was a 3 standard deviation occurance.  A black swan of nice weather.  So, yeah.  Quite consistent with the theory. 

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 00:38 | 141526 ZerOhead
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IPCC lead author and prominent climatologist admits cooling over the last decade and predicts a cooling not a warming trend for next 10-20 years...

Sounds like global warming may get downright chilly doesn't it... I love these exchanges... is twenty more years of cooling still consistent with global warming Jim? Just askin?

I hope you didn't buy too many carbon credits for your retirement portfolio...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090922133239AAUPJJg

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 00:47 | 141536 Jim in MN
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Why yes it is consistent.  Thanks for asking.  Global climate change, you know, it puts the CC in IPCC.  Global warming is kind of an amateur or casual term. 

Ask the British what life without the Gulf Stream might feel like--a bit chilly, wot?

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 15:37 | 142376 ZerOhead
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Finally Jim...

Lets talk about Trenbeths email where he is concerned about the lack of heat in the system... remember the oceans are the reservoirs of over 80% of the planets heat... not the atmosphere... follow me so far... good... check it out please...

Trenbeth was disturbed (as you may or may not have read) that they could not find the additional heat in the system that must be there for global warming to be real... follow so far? If not read his email if you dare...

The postulation is now that the heat must be in the deep ocean.. follow so far Jim?

Problem here is that the Argo floats (3,000+ of them) have indicated a cooling of the oceans (at least to 5,000 feet I believe) for the last couple years not warming.

That in a nutshell is your problem Jim... while extremes are considered to be a sign of global warming the means must continually increase for the theory to hold water as it were. Nice try again.

Would someone care to propose a challenge between Jim and myself to have a Global Warming debate here on Zero Hedge? Anyone?

How about you Jim I've been spoiling for a fight on this topic for years. (Could be fun?)

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:36 | 141378 Anonymous
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You guys should stick to finance.

What you've got here are roughly three sentences out of 160Mb of data. If this were a global conspiracy the evidence would be much greater in both quantity and quality.

"Getchur tin foil hats here, mister!"

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:20 | 141363 Anonymous
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Really thankful that Russian computer hackers have more respect for the truth and free speech than the country that "invented" it and the money whores in the "scientific" community. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. Truth eventually prevails. Don't be swayed by fearmongerers and snake oil salesman.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:15 | 141357 Anonymous
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Project Mayhem on the dangers of listening to Al Gore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:05 | 141344 demsco
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Obama said he would not sign the treaty, so he claims. These emails are damning to say the least and global warming is BS all the way. However, mercury in coal burning is not, but there is no need to sign a damn treaty to fix that just add scrubbers to the stacks and problems solved, kind of. Even if you believe in global warming you should always be against your government signing any treaty that does not require Senate ratification OR you should be worried when the President and the Senate majority are both the same party.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 21:04 | 141343 Anonymous
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Project Mayhem on the evils of communism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 20:42 | 141317 Anonymous
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Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 20:23 | 141291 spekulatn
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This turd will not flush...too much $$$$ to be made saving planet errrf.

 

Well done P.M.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 23:07 | 141457 ZerOhead
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"This turd will not flush..."

Priceless...

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 20:12 | 141280 Anonymous
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Good post PM.

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 20:10 | 141275 Anonymous
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/11/04/kerry-graham-lieberman-launch...

cohn-kerry and lieberman, does it make click in somewhere in your brain?
replace oil>>>destroy economical base of the arabs, russians too in the process

Tue, 11/24/2009 - 20:07 | 141268 Anonymous
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Tedious right-wing nutcase stuff -- irrelevant to markets and trading. For Gawd's sake, Tyler & Marla...

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