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Washington’s Blog.

essay rounds up arguments for looking at gold as a reasonable
investment: 1) China; 2) declining production; 3) inflation; 4)
deflation; 5) global short-term interest rates; 6) uncertainty and
distrust in government; and 7) flight to safety.


Commentators such as Ambrose Evans-Pritchard and Byron King argue that China's hunger for gold will put a floor on gold prices.

they argue that China will "buy the dips" in gold prices, effectively
putting a minimum on how low gold prices can go.

Declining Production

King also claims that another reason that gold will hold its value is declining production.

In an interview Tuesday, King argued:

we're in a world that appears to have encountered peak gold as well as
peak oil. If you look at historical production, worldwide gold output
reached a top right around the year 2000–2001. Overall output has
declined and we're not replacing output from the big mines of the past.
Despite discoveries here and there, miners have to dig deeper and
deeper into the reserves. In a big mining country such as South Africa,
for example, some of the deepest mines now are at 4,000 meters. That's
13,000 feet.

Is King right?

It turns out he might be. stated in March 2008:

gold production has been in steady decline since 2002. Production in
2007 was around 2,444t, down 1% on the previous year.

note that virtually all of the low-lying fruit has now been picked with
respect to gold, meaning that companies will have to take on more
challenging and more expensive projects to meet supply. The extent to
which the current high price of gold can translate into profits remains
to be seen...

According to Bhavesh Morar, national leader of the
mining, energy and infrastructure group with Deloitte Australia,
frenzied exploration activity over the last few years has seen
virtually all of the easy harvest been picked with respect to gold...


high price of gold is however encouraging more adventurous projects, be
they more challenging financially, geologically, geopolitically or all
three. New projects for gold and other resources are mushrooming
throughout Africa, China, the Middle East and the former Soviet Union;
all areas where sovereign risk is potentially very high.

Zeal Speculation and Investment wrote in July of this year:

have the same geological landscape to work with today as those miners
thousands of years ago. The only difference is the low-hanging fruit
has already been picked. Gold producers must now search for and mine
their gold in locations that may not be very amenable to mining. Many
of today’s gold mines are located in parts of the world that would not
have even been considered in the past based on geography, geology,
and/or geopolitics.

And these factors among many are attributable to an alarming trend we
are seeing in global mined production volume. According to data
provided by the US Geological Survey, global gold production is at a 12-year low. And provocatively this downward trend has accelerated during a period where the price of gold is skyrocketing.





would think that with the price of gold rising at such a torrid pace
gold miners would ramp up production in order to profit from this
trend. But as you can see in this chart this has not been the case, at
all. Not only has gold production not responded, but it has dropped at
an unsightly pace that has sent shockwaves throughout the gold trade.


As the red line illustrates gold’s secular bull began in 2001, finally
changing direction after a long and brutal bear market drove down
prices to ridiculous lows in the $200s. To match this bull the
blue-shaded area provides a picture of the corresponding global
production trend. And you’ll notice that in the first 3 years of gold’s
bull production was steady. This is not a surprise as you figure it
would take the producers a few years to ramp up supply. But instead of
supply increasing in response to growing demand and rising prices, it
took a turn to the downside. And what’s even more amazing is the
persistence of this downtrend. Since 2001 gold production is down a
staggering 9.3%! In 2008 there were 7.7m fewer ounces of gold produced than in 2001.

Also in July, Whiskey and Gunpowder posted a chart on historical gold production, and argued for decreasing production:

Take a look at the chart below from Macquarie Research, depicting world gold production 1850-2008...

[Click here for full chart]

example, look at the very steep rise in gold output during the 1930s.
That was during the depths of the worldwide Great Depression.

both the US/Canada (blue area), and the rest of the world (gray area),
people were digging more and more gold. The Soviets (purple area)
increased their gold output too, courtesy of Joseph Stalin and his
Gulag. Desperate times call for desperate measures, I suppose. Will
that sort of history repeat this time around?

Or look at that
massive run-up in gold output from South Africa (green area) in the
1950s and 1960s. That was during a time when South Africa was
instituting its post-World War II system of apartheid. Labor was cheap
(sorrowfully cheap), and quite a lot of international investment poured
into South Africa without moral qualm. The South Africans dug deep and
just plain tore into those gold-bearing reef structures of the
Witwatersrand Basin.

But notice how quickly the South African
gold output declined in the 1970s, as the mines got REALLY deep and the
rest of the world began to institute sanctions against South Africa
over its apartheid system.

And then look at the Gold Price
run-up that followed in the late 1970s. It was a time of inflation,
mainly coming from the US Dollar. Yet world gold mine output was
dropping as well. Falling output, plus monetary inflation? The Gold
Price skyrocketed. Another bit of useful history, right?

let's focus on more recent history, since about 1990. There were large
increases in gold output from the US/Canada (blue), Australia (gold)
and Asia (China orange, non-China open bar). By 2000 or so – the world
production peak – Gold Prices were down toward $300 per ounce and below.

as the chart shows, in the past 10 years, gold output has shown a
marked DECLINE in the major historic Gold Mining regions. The prolific
gold output from the US/Canada, Australia and South Africa has followed
downward trends. Sure, these regions still lift a lot of ore and pour a
lot of melt. But the production trend is DOWN.

The US/Canada,
Australia and South Africa all have well-established and (more or less)
workable mining laws – despite the best efforts of many current
politicians and regulators to screw it all up. These historically
producing areas are politically stable. Overall, there's good mining
infrastructure, with road and rail networks, power systems, refining
plants, a vendor base, mining personnel and access to capital.

that's not the case in many areas of the developing parts of the world.
Political stability? Security? Infrastructure? Transport? Power?
Refining? Vendors? Personnel? Capital? Everywhere is different, of
course. But overall, the entire process is much more problematic. So
there's a lot more risk. When you move away from the traditional mining
jurisdictions, the whole process of exploration, development and mining
is more expensive.

Thus, the new gold discoveries of the future
are going to lack some (if not most, or perhaps all) of the advantages
of the developed mining world. That means that the ore deposits of the
future will have to offer much higher profit margins, based on size and
ore grade, to compensate for the increased risks. Too bad Mother Nature
(or Saint Barbara, who looks after miners) doesn't work that way.

also means the timeline to develop the mines of the future will likely
be stretched over many years while political, legal, bureaucratic,
logistical and social issues are ironed out.

The key driver for the future of worldwide gold supply will be DECLINING output overall over time.

Of course, if the price of gold warrant ramping up then production will increase.
Just as with discussions about peak oil, the issue is not that the
resource is totally running out, it is that it will be more and more
expensive to extract.


It is conventional wisdom that gold is a hedge against inflation.

For example, noted inflationist John Williams advises buying gold.

Axel Merk argues that gold is a better buy than TIPS as an inflation bet.

And Taleb advised buying gold in May, since currencies including the dollar and euro face pressures.

As of this writing, gold has had a good run, and might face a correction. But as hedge fund luminary John Paulson argues, its something you buy-and-hold for at least the medium term:

is convinced that gold will be a very good way to protect himself from
the eventuality of currency debasement (i.e., inflation). He observed
that if one thinks about gold in a three- or five-year time horizon
(instead of hour to hour, day to day or week to week), the probability
increases of gold being higher over time...


If gold does well during times of inflation, it makes sense that it would perform poorly during deflationary periods.

But points out that such an assumption is probably untrue.

Specifically, as writes:

Eric Sprott - who manages $4.5 billion in assets, and correctly predicted in March of 2008 a "systemic financial meltdown” - says:

believe no matter what environment you’re in - deflation or inflation -
people will run to gold,” Sprott said. “Gold is proving exactly what we
all would have expected, that in almost any environment, it’s a go-to

And investment analyst and financial writer Yves Smith argues that gold does well during both periods of deflation and high inflation. She argues:

gold does well [in] hyperinflation and deflationary [periods]. Gold
does poorly under more normal conditions, and gets hammered in
disinflationary conditions, a falling but positive rate of inflation.

Analyst Adrian Ash argues that gold's value actually increases during periods of deflation even if its price drops:

Does the price of gold rise or fall in a deflation?

Hint: It’s a trick question, already tripping up plenty of would-be advisors...


Absent the money-supply limits which the gold standard imposed on the
world, people rightly guess that double-digit inflation would prove
rocket-fuel for the bull market in gold. Yet the purchasing power of gold nearly doubled during the Great Depression, and it’s risen four-fold during this decade’s low consumer-price inflation as well.                                                        

Because both those periods of low price-inflation saw the money-issuing
authorities devalue the currency, first with explicit reference to gold
but now without daring to name it. Roosevelt in the mid-30s slashed the
dollar’s gold content by 40%; the Greenspan/Bernanke Fed devalued the
Dollar again to sidestep a DotCom Depression, keeping real interest
rates at less than zero, between 2002-2005.


The maestro’s
apprentice applied the same trick in the back-half of 2008, but so far
to no avail. And now even the European Central Bank is pumping out
money – a near half-trillion euros today alone – in a bid to revive
bank lending, swamp the currency markets, and pull Germany out of its
first flirt with deflation since the 1930s.


Just such a
devaluation – and again, absent any stated reference to gold – was
attempted by the Bank of Japan a little less than a decade ago.

Japan is the only developed nation since the end of the gold standard
to have suffered an extended deflation in prices. So far, at least.
Germany and Switzerland look set to try for a re-wind, and unless the
dollar can outpace the euro’s descent, we might yet see truly sub-zero
inflation in the United States, too.


But whatever that should
mean for gold prices, all other things being equal, just doesn’t
matter. Because the gold price will not get a chance. All other things are not
equal, and the policy solution – rank devaluation – can only make gold
more appealing to investors and savers, whether the “monetarist
experiment” of TARP, quantitative easing or a half-trillion euros
proves successful or not.


Japan’s slump into deflation coincided
with the Bank of Japan’s “zero interest rate policy” (ZIRP) at the
start of this decade. It also saw the gold price worldwide hit
rock-bottom and turn higher, a move that analysts (including us) have
typically linked to US monetary moves and investment cash looking for
safety as the Dotcom Bubble exploded.


But zero-rate money from
the world’s second-largest economy shouldn’t be ignored. And today,
zero-rate money is all the developed world has to offer – a trick that
might not beat deflation, but might just spur a whole new rush into

In other words, Ash argues that you can't
take inflation or deflation in a vacuum. During deflationary periods -
like we have now - governments always increase the money supply with a flood of new dollars, which is bullish for gold.



And PhD economist Marc Faber wrote in October 2007 that gold will do well even in a deflation:


would gold perform in a deflationary global recession? Initially gold
could come under some pressure as well but once the realization sinks
in how messy deflation would be for over-indebted countries and
households, its price would likely soar.

Therefore, under both
scenarios - stagflation or deflationary recession - gold, gold equities
and other precious metals should continue to perform better than
financial assets.

Looking At the Charts

Is Faber right?


take a look at the following charts showing gold's performance as
compared to the yen during Japan's "lost decade" of deflation:


Japan's deflation didn't definitively end until 2007 or 2008.


This provides some evidence that gold may tend
to hold or increase its value at least in the later part of the
deflationary period as compared with the relevant national currency.


Moreover - approximately half the time - gold has risen during recessions in the United States:


(The grey vertical bars show periods of recession; the chart gives gold prices in monthly averages; click here for larger image).

If you study the above chart, you will see that gold seems to often fall during the beginning stages of a recession, then rise in the later stages of the recession (before 1971, the dollar was still backed by gold at a fixed price, and so gold did not fluctuate).


But what about Ash's theory?


The American Enterprises Institute notes:

five years in a deflationary economic wilderness, the Bank of Japan
switched during the spring of 2001 to a policy of quantitative
easing--targeting the growth of the money supply instead of nominal
interest rates--in order to engineer a rebound in demand growth.

Look again at the first gold chart for Japan, above. Gold appears to start increasing against the Yen in 2001.

This may provide some evidence for Ash's thesis that it is an expansion of the money supply which pushes the price of gold up in the later stages of deflationary periods.


Finally, Chris Martenson argues
that - in prolonged periods of deflation - we usually see failures of
large and significant banks, institutions, and perhaps even states and
countries. Because gold traditionally does well during periods of
uncertainty, Martenson likes gold during periods of deflation. notes in a subsequent article:

Merrill Lynch agrees.


Specifically, PhD economist Nouriel Roubini paraphrases a report from Merill Lynch (not available online) as follows:

Short-term rates of
0% are bullish for gold, which serves as a store of value but is a
useful hedge against deflation as well, since deflation is inherently
destabilizing for financial assets. In the 2001-03 deflationary period,
gold rose more than 30%, not to mention the prospect of a return to a
dollar bear market. "Gold is inversely correlated to global short-term
interest rates and there is a race right now towards 0%. Production is
down 4.0% y/y while fiat currencies globally are being created at a
double digit rate by the world's central banks....As for all the talk
of a 'gold bubble,' it would take a nearly 625% surge in gold to over
US$6,000/oz and a flat stock market to actually get the ratio of the
two asset classes back to where it was three decades ago when bullion
was in an unsustainable bubble phase."

Gold tends to be less
sensitive to global economic slowdown than industrial metals or energy
and works better as a hedge against crisis than inflation.

See also Fred Sheehan's summary of Roy Jastram's study of the performance of gold during deflationary periods throughout history.

Global Short Term Interest Rates Are Low

The above-quoted Merrill article states:

Gold is inversely correlated to global short-term interest rates and there is a race right now towards 0%.

This argues for gold.

Distrust in Government

Time Magazine writes:

Traditionally, gold has been a store of value when citizens do not trust their government politically or economically.

Given the enormous levels of distrust in the government politically and/or economically (and the fact that some have warned of recession-induced violence), gold might do well.

Also, as mentioned above, gold tends to do well during periods of uncertainty.  Given that the fundamental problems with the economy have not been fixed, things will likely become less certain.

Greenspan and Exeter

Professor Emeritus of Mathematics
Antal Fekete has argued for years that gold is the ultimate - and only
- safe haven when things really hit the fan.

For example, in 2007 Fekete wrote:

grand old man of the New York Federal Reserve bank’s gold department,
the last Mohican, John Exter explained the devolution of money (not his
term) using the model of an inverted pyramid, delicately balanced on
its apex at the bottom consisting of pure gold. The pyramid has many
other layers of asset classes graded according to safety, from the
safest and least prolific at bottom to the least safe and most prolific
asset layer, electronic dollar credits on top. (When Exter developed
his model, electronic dollars had not yet existed; he talked about FR
deposits.) In between you find, in decreasing order of safety, as you
pass from the lower to the higher layer: silver, FR notes, T-bills,
T-bonds, agency paper, other loans and liabilities denominated in
dollars. In times of financial crisis people scramble downwards in the
pyramid trying to get to the next and nearest safer and less prolific
layer underneath. But down there the pyramid gets narrower. There is
not enough of the safer and less prolific kind of assets to accommodate
all who want to "devolve”. Devolution is also called "flight to

Darryl Schoon makes the same argument.

Here's a visual depiction Exeter's inverted pyramid, courtesy of Wikimedia:



(Click here
for full image; I can't vouch for the accuracy of the rankings for all
of the levels . . . for example, muni bonds versus corporate bonds)

Alan Greenspan has just lent some support to the theory. Specifically:

prices that jumped above $1,000 an ounce this week are signaling that
investors are buying metals to hedge against declines in currencies,
former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said.

The gains
are “strictly a monetary phenomenon,” Greenspan said today at an
investment conference in New York. Rising prices of precious metals and
other commodities are “an indication of a very early stage of an
endeavor to move away from paper currencies,” he said...


“What is
fascinating is the extent to which gold still holds reign over the
financial system as the ultimate source of payment,” Greenspan said.

other words, Greenspan is saying that investors are moving out of the
second-to-lowest step on the pyramid (currencies and government bonds)
and into the lowest step (gold).

Greenspan is also verifying
what goldbugs like Exeter, Fekete and Schoon have been claiming: that
"the barbarous relic" still holds an important place in the modern
investor's psyche.

Are Exeter, Fekete and Schoon right? I don't
know. And Greenspan might be wrong, or trying to excuse weakness in the
dollar (as opposed to all paper currencies).

Note 1: Some of the best recent arguments I've heard against investing in gold are written by Vitaliy Katsenelson. Read this, this, this and this.

Note 2: As Zero Hedge has shown, newly-declassified federal documents prove that gold prices have been manipulated, at least in the past. If the strategy of artificial
price suppression is continuing to the present, if this is widely
publicized, if such publicity causes someone like Congressmen Alan
Grayson, Brad Sherman, Ron Paul, or Dennis Kucinich (hello -
congressional aides?) to raise a ruckus in Congress, and if Congress as
a whole votes to ban such a practice, then the price of gold would
presumably rise - as it would no longer be suppressed. That's a lot of

Schoon argues that gold manipulation will end because the world's
central banks (and their primary dealers) will no longer be able to
afford it. Specifically, he argues that they will simply run out of money to keep playing the game.

Note 3: I am not an investment advisor and this should not be taken as investment advice.

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Anonymous's picture

Interesting..But couldn't someone put the same effort into analyzing SILVER?
The counter-balancing argument is always GOLD is preserved in Vaults...
Whereas the real tipping point is Silver as a necessity for technological advancement...
Thus a better presentation would be all the above arguments applied to the production of Silver and then go one step further and compare it to the production of Gold ...
NOW that would really get my attention...

"The bargaining value is determined by scarcity...not by pricing..." - quote - ME ;)

orca's picture

Great article.
However, the statement "Japan's deflation didn't definitively end until 2007 or 2008." is not true, just last week the Bank Of Japan stated that deflation, at 2,4% (inflation of -2,4%, just to be sure everyone understands this) is at an all-time high.

Jay's picture

Much has been said of the 'Chinese put', but from March '08 to Nov '08 gold moved from about $1000/oz to $700. Where was the Chinese put then? The Chinese have already said they've been buyers for the last 8 years.

DrPsycho's picture

The Chinese have also made it clear they did not want to "disrupt the market" -- i.e., cause the price of gold to rise -- with their buying.   They were pretty skillful, and certainly were buyers all the way down.

"The IMF sells 400 tonnes" story has been around for at least a couple of years, and re-appears every time gold makes a new high, or seems to be about to.  The IMF has needed congressional approval on that sale, and now has it, as of earlier this year.


The consensus among people knowledgeable about gold, is that China will buy the IMF gold before it hits the market, with no effect on gold's price.

I bought into this gold market in '05, and added to my holdings massively during the '08 selloff, buying particularly at the Oct/Nov 08 lows in gold miners.

I have no losses during this recession as a result, but rather have made satisfying gains in my holdings.  I believe gold and other PMs will get me the rest of the way through this depression, not only preserving but likely increasing my wealth.

BTW, holding and selling gold within a Roth IRA will produce no tax liability.


Anonymous's picture

This might be a relevant post to all the commentary about Gold prices in inflation and deflation

Robert Prechter recently did an "in-depth" analysis of Gold and Silver. You can download his entire booklet here.
In the eBook, Prechter notes "All the huge gains in gold have come when the economy was expanding".
Mish countered in his blog by saying that : "All the huge losses in gold have come when the economy was expanding."
While Prechter went on to conclude his usual cash will be king and Gold and Silver will be buyable after they fall about 99.83%, Mish went on to conclude that Gold does well during environments of Credit-Stress (Stagflation, hyperinflation, or deflation), whereas direct inflation has zero correlation with Gold.
While on the surface their arguments make sense (as much sense as Prechter's arguments usually make), it is appalling to see that both our geniuses forgot the most important component of analysis of Gold Prices. The underlying currency.

When one makes arguments about the Gold Price and one does it while ignoring every currency in the world except the almighty USD, it shows how important the average American feels. Even the ones that think the US is doomed.

Anonymous's picture

It's like playing Hearts. The queen is the naked shorts used to depress the price of gold and silver. You flush the queen out by taking possession of the physical gold and silver. The Chinese have started doing that. If they keep doing it, the queen is sure to be flushed out. The more people join them, the faster the queen will be flushed out. Flushing the queen out is great fun, and everyone can help a little bit - even if that little bit is just buying a few nuggets from your neighbor after he has reopened his old mine.

vonchor's picture


what about:

On September 18, 2009, the IMF's Executive Board approved gold sales strictly limited to 403.3 metric tons, representing one eighth of the Fund's total holdings.

12,965,649 fine troy ounces

Predicting the future is hard - not an arg 1 way or another for AU, but gold starts to look lika crowded trade. Also - don't forget when you sell it it's ordinary income tax, not cap gains,  no matter how long you hold it for.


gookempucky's picture

Thank you Chumbawamba for saving everyone valuable time in response to anon 87021.

Gold and its little sister silver have just reached 7 on the Beaufort scale--more to come as 12 is on the horizon---no hope or salvation or any form of chicanery will free fiat from its NO confidence- PERIOD.

AU 79 196.9665 is elemental

Anonymous's picture

Ken Fisher says not to buy gold. I will take his word for it.

Anonymous's picture

Ah yes, Ken Fisher the guy who said 2008 would a good year on the stock market and to invest in AIG

Anonymous's picture

There's some evidence that supply-demand fundamentals for gold don't support current prices.

Much of the price rise is likely due to weakness in the US dollar...but how has it done in Canadian dollars, Aussie dollars, etc?

Fruffing's picture

Chumba, as the brothers Hunt showed us, silver's a thin market.   Any concern about it being gamed?

Señor Tranche's picture

I'm curious what people think about silver as an investment.  I own a good amount now.  What are its advantages and disadvantges relative to gold?

Marge N Call's picture

I own quite a bit of physical silver (mostly bars and eagles). It is definitely bulky, but I don't mind that so much. I like silver for the following reasons:

1) In the event of a total collapse, it is more "spendable" on small stuff than gold, i.e. I can buy small-ticket stuff pretty easily vs. using a 1 oz, or even 1/10 oz gold goin.

2) It typically lags gold in appreciation as a hedge (not all the time), so it can potentially still be a good buy even if gold rockets.

3) It is also an industrial metal so there is demand outside of investment/hedging.



Jay's picture

The main disadvantage of physical silver compared to gold is that it's heavy and bulky. It's almost 63 times heavier than gold for the same dollar amount.  Silver prices are much more volatile than gold also.

chumbawamba's picture

You should listen to this interview of Jason Hommel:

In it he makes a very good point that if/when gold and silver start being used as money again the banks and big funds and everyone will pile in because they'll want to make money on it.

Sort of not terribly relevant to your question, but at any rate silver is a terrific investment right now.

Here's my philosophy: gold is my store of wealth; silver is my investment.  When silver achieves lift-off I will start to trade my silver for gold.

Silver is money, and it is also an industrial metal these days.  There is a critical shortage of silver that is about to be established.  Not tomorrow or next week or probably not even next month, but various people are making this observation, and I concur (look at the charts for above ground silver's at a multi-year low).

There is also the historical ratio of 15 silver to 1 gold that some folks think silver will ultimately return to (currently it's at ~60:1).

Bide your time.  Sell at the peak, then move into gold.  Retire.

I am Chumbawamba.

Anonymous's picture

do you own silver paper or physical silver? to play the game you have to get the heavy stuff. the postman will love you and so will your wife......

Anonymous's picture

I like the analysis.

Adrian Burridge

Apocalypse Now's picture

Great article.

The one thing about the pyramid I question is that it states listed stocks are safer than corporate bonds. 

That depends on the environment, and when corporations are issuing more shares, P/E values are through the roof, and dividend yields are cut to nothing - having a real claim on something is safer = prefereds or bonds (equities and bonds are both subject to default risk, but in the event of a default at least a creditor might have a claim on assets).

Anonymous's picture

ok, so everyone wants me to think gold is going up. I don't buy it.

If one thinks that gold is going to 2000 dollars an ounce...I would perdict $500.


Gold is just getting pumped by too many comes down to supply and demand. Let's go back the last time when all the brokers were selling gold. Couldn't loose money on it. Well, in came the Russians and bang gold went to almost nothing. Gold can be one of the hardest things to get out of with a profit there is.

I look at the biggest gold mine in South of the biggest vains in all the world. Also, one of the deepest mines. Is it open...NO. A miner said if GOLD gets to $1000 dollars and the company thinks it will stay there for a good amount of time (5-10yrs) then -- open she will become.

We're at $1000 now...but, the boards are not coming down. I'm bearish until I see movement at the mine. I do think the prices have been manipulated...and don't want to be caught long. On the other hand I don't want to be caught short in case the manipulation reverses direction.

So, I don't beleive Gold will be a good investment over the next couple of years.

Anonymous's picture

I normally stop reading when I see "loose" instead of "lose".

Marge N Call's picture

So you are saying this mine has bigger vains than Madonna. NO fucking way dude...

Mr. Mandelbrot's picture

I "perdict" you are wrong and I "beleive" it's you who are going to "loose" lots of money.

chumbawamba's picture

You are anonymous, so I won't respond to your lame comments with any valid counter-argument.  I'll just respond by saying that you are dumb.

I am Chumbawamba.


Fruffing's picture

Cool Chumba.   A commenter on mining who refers to "vains" of ore is hardly worth responding to.

Anonymous's picture

is that you karl?

Anonymous's picture


Anonymous's picture

People always say to buy gold in recessions, but thats when it generally is peaking...

Anonymous's picture

gold isn't an investment - it is money pure and simple in its most divine and pristine form....

other entities rise and fall in terms of gold but gold lives on through the millenia....

once the gold cartel which has suppressed gold since the 1960s is broken, the worthlessness of those other fraud currencies will be exposed for all to see.....

at 1000 usd gold is a rip roaring bargain no matter what its short term visiscitudes may be....

buy early and buy often.....

Marge N Call's picture

Agreed. Gold doesn't necessarily make you rich as an investment, rather it preserves your purchasing power over the medium-long term.