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Gold Anti Trust Action Committee Urges SEC, CFTC To Probe Goldman Trading Program
And so it develops. From the GATA press release:
Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:
GATA today urged the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission to investigate the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. computer trading program that, according to a federal prosecutor, the bank acknowledges can be used to manipulate markets.
GATA's complaint referred to the Bloomberg News story dispatched to you yesterday --
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_6d.tyNe1KQ)
-- reporting the arraignment in U.S. District Court in New York of a former Goldman Sachs employee accused of stealing the program. The prosecutor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Facciponti, was quoted as telling the court: "The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways."
In letters to the SEC and CFTC, GATA wrote: "The assistant U.S. attorney's comment can be construed to suggest Goldman Sachs considers its own manipulation of markets to be fair, while such manipulation by others would be unfair. The court proceeding described in the Bloomberg News story would seem to impugn all markets in which Goldman Sachs trades."
GATA asked each commission "to investigate Goldman Sachs' trading program urgently and report its findings publicly."
The text of GATA's letters is appended.
CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.* * *
GOLD ANTI-TRUST ACTION COMMITTEE INC.
7 Villa Louisa Road, Manchester, Connecticut 06043-7541July 7, 2009
Gary Gensler, Chairman
U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission
3 Lafayette Centre
1155 21st St., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20581Mary L. Schapiro, Chairman
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
100 F St. N.E.
Washington, D.C. 20549Dear Chairman Gensler / Dear Chairman Schapiro:
I'm enclosing a copy of a report distributed July 6 by Bloomberg News Service about the U.S. government's prosecution of a former employee of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. involving the purported theft of a Goldman Sachs computer trading program. The report quotes Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Faccipointi as saying in U.S. District Court in New York City: "The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways."
If the report quotes the assistant U.S. attorney correctly, and if he was characterizing Goldman Sachs' position correctly, then Goldman Sachs claims to have possession of a computer trading program that can manipulate markets. The assistant U.S. attorney's comment can be construed to suggest Goldman Sachs considers its own manipulation of markets to be fair, while such manipulation by others would be unfair.
The court proceeding described in the Bloomberg News story would seem to impugn all markets in which Goldman Sachs trades. On behalf of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc., I ask your commission to investigate Goldman Sachs' trading program urgently and report its findings publicly.
Thanks for your consideration.
With good wishes.
CHRIS POWELL
Secretary/Treasurer
Hat Tip: Jeff
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The 'fact finding commission' will probably go to Goldman Sachs lobby have a cup of coffee and type a report that says Goldman did nothing wrong. These assholes are not going to do anything worthwhile.
I think by 'probe' they meant dinner and cocktails. The SEC is a joke. It's obvious to anyone paying attention.
Over at Dealbreaker, "probe" would take on ominous
rectal connotations...
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I have never heard of any serious action taken by SEC/CFTC/COMEX upon GATA's complaints.
.......gradually inching towards a pre-revolutionary situation.......
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Arnold. Please return to the middle ages and consider joining an order that required silence and prayer from its members.
Arnold.
Robespierre springs to mind upon reading your comment:
" Terror is only justice: prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country.
Maximilien Robespierre "
Ah HA! So that's how the Fed is manipulating gold prices... With this conspiracy unmasked the price of gold is going to rise to $3k-$5k an ounce!
GATA is a little koo-koo.
While GATA might be doing this for the wrong reasons, it is the right thing to do.
Goldman is screwed. Either their proggy actually does manipulate markets, and they have admitted to breaking the law, or it doesn't, which means the proggy really isn't that special after all, so no reason to prosecute Ivan.
If this goes to the wall, they could use this as a reason to investigate the other investment banks, and take these away from all of them (or intentionally increase their latency times so these programs can't work anymore (they need a low-latency connection)).
If they take it away from Goldman, then they will (ironically) become an ally in taking it away from all of the IB's, because they wouldn't want these other banks to have an unfair advantage..! Ha ha ha haa haaa!
'so no reason to prosecute Ivan.'
Why Ivan? Ivan had nothing to do with that, it was Serge
WSJ just posted a story with the headline, "Oil 'Speculators' Under Fire."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124700398437207969.html#mod=testMod
The jist of the story highlights efforts by some key Senators/Members to define speculators and speculation in energy futures markets. The Journal already carried a story regarding CFTC action on this issue and an op/ed piece. Of course most readers here are of the opinion that the only thing wrong with the energy futures markets comes from manipulation by a few sainted players and not from evil speculators.
What surprises me is how much dumb money is invested in long-only indexes, which of course make no sense when applied to commodities futures. The very fact that, according to the article, some $300B is invested in this manner means that someone, (GS,) is hedging this, front running it and leveraging it.
But, hey let's get those evil speculators...
Truly the press will gloss over any and all truth-so
as the spec's are blamed the big crooks try and slither away. This country gobbles 20 mbpd while the price is driven by the "inventory numbers" is by far the biggest joke on the planet-a mb up or down doesnt even get the USA 2 hours of driving time-now thats funny shit. SPR will give USA about
38-42 days and that is what the CFTC should be investigating as rumours have circulated that our sweet oil SPR inventories are being siphoned off to pay IOUs. I would imagine GS has quite a number of tankers just setting and waiting for the right manipulation err moment to offload.
Personnaly I can't wait till these guys eat KA KA.
Great reporting Tyler!
Additional exposure of these complaints in forums like Zero Hedge will contribute to getting issues adjudicated.
Thank you.
well seeing as how the SEC probably couldn't make heads or tales of the code they won't even bother. They'll look at it, start to cry, hit the delete key, state "no wrong doing."
The SEC only needs to cut a deal with the software engineer who stands accused.
And the hits must keep on ronning...
Indeed the press is bound, with chains, to gloss all this over. Spreading the news widely is useful.
"And the beat goes on"
No way the SEC looks into this.
This looks like a little light in a very dark tunnel. I am jumping for joy to read the brave words! BRAVO Chris Powell and of course, thank you for this news Marla and Tyler et al!
Actually, having GATA on board with demands for transparency doesn't exactly bolster the case. The regulators have been ignoring Chris Powell for a decade
im here from CR
you guys are on it
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Whoop! -Francis
Goldman, Morgan Stanley Threatened by CFTC Speculator Review
By Margot Habiby
July 8 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley may never have the same leeway in commodities as they did when oil reached a record $147 a barrel last year.
The Commodities Futures Trading Commission will consider greater regulation of oil, gas and other energy markets at hearings this month. It plans to review exemptions to trading limits that since the 1990s allowed Goldman and Morgan to build multibillion-dollar ventures in futures, swaps and over-the- counter markets.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ayXuybgAlx2U
Goldman is moving on to trade carbon credits. These credits are designed to blow up because the supply side of supply/demand will create an inflexible supply when the cap is incremented down.
Me reckon two fings: One, Goldman has shorted oil and is now front running a falling market. The SEC announcement is part of crashing the oil price. Two, there will never be a shortage of carbon credits: the bastards will hsort sell it and make heaps on Phantom credits, just like they are on phantom stocks, and not unlike the banks makeing good money on credits created from thin air.
PS. Remember: GS and cronies are not introducing carbon trading to save the environment, but to make money. Ergo: they will do all manner of crooked things in, and with, the market to make money. Biggest scam ever. At least with gold, you can stand for delivery (until the SEC changes the goal poast in mid game again), and at least in principle create a short squeeze.
$2mn fine and no admission of guilt. Same old story. do you actually think anyone will ever have to acmit to doing anything wrong? Sad.
TD, the Sith Lord (Grandma Goldman) has targeted Zero Hedge and is trying to shut it down, checkout zerohedge.net. BTW, America's financial system is made up of crooks and has been since it's beginning, time to shut them down and start over. How? Stop paying these bastards and let them wrought in HELL...
If someone wants to spend the time to make spoof sites of Zerohedge, more power to them. We love the free publicity. Also, I could not have come up with a better instruction manual - the kid that wrote it is pretty good. When he gets fired he/she should join Zero Hedge.
With less than 200 hits to his main message, he already waffled and instead reposted my 18 bullet point comments. Riding on someone elses coattail with the domain, and now baited into my content instead of his. Thanks for the complement!
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Tyler, I always thought that my first post about you and your content would be on your site. I wanted to call TheInsider a pansy. I wanted to respond to the Gen-X comment. This was too precious to pass up however, and so he can have my financial blog posting cherry, it was good for a laugh.
I will now go back to lurking. Please just keep doing exactly what you are doing, you have my blessings, and a safe return home.
GATA has been campaigning long and hard on manipulation and suppression of Gold prices by the markets. I support GATA and all they are trying to achieve. Despite indisputable evidence the game continues. Last year for example look at JP Morgans Gold derivatives position from Q2 to Q3 last year which jumped $15 billion. Stopping manipulation would allow even more dollars to be soaked up by soaring gold prices to stop a run on the dollar and trapping the repatriation of the dollar in gold. Maybe that could be good thing for main street. At the moment large funds including those from GS buy forward un-mined ounces and sell these on through the paper market. The cost of mining is increasing and therefore the price must go up. In the meantime the funds buy forward an ever decreasing margin on options and in order not to make a loss on current gold which maybe they have paid someone to take on lease even though they don't physically have it they need to suppress the price. The gold bubble will burst but it will explode the price. I recall a new market was created for gold in November, can't remember what it's called, can anyone help there? . Supposedly for physical only trading but you can choose to fractionally take risk on by offering multiples of physical held for sale. I would suggest maybe the powers to be know the game is up on the paper market. I'm just waiting for a day when people demand delivery of their physical gold. And when they do, all hell will break loose as they is simply not enough to go round. By far.
Ah, let us dream on. Yes, that will be the day to behold. the mystery is: why aren't those with serious money behind them stand for delivery? Why? Why? Why? And if they are not doing it now, in the midst of this crisis, why would they do it later?
Now who at the SEC, or what federal prosecutor would have the balls to even mention such a thing under their breath.
Not going to happen.
Jerry Rubin, one of the Chicago Seven tried for inciting a riot outside the Democratic National Convention in 1968 in a protest against the war in Vietnam, once said:
"The power to define the situation is the ultimate power."
Here is a link to Rob McEwen (Goldcorp, US Gold etc) talking about the gold market. Part two is particularly good:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B56E258514BF9250
Some truth in advertising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq0Ez7DZSnI
Gary Gensler spent 18 years at Goldman Sachs. I'm sure he'll get right on it. /s
Gee, these guys MANIPULATE MARKETS? Nahhh, couldn't be!!!
Considering the way the financial sector just held up the entire country at gunpoint, it doesn't surprise me.
Article: http://www.econocataclysm.com/next-stop-hyperinflation/
Fortunate we are that Tyler spends the time to research and discuss these issues.......
Could this "market manipulation" meme be a sophisticated example of disinformation ??? *** This guy Aleynikov is an expert at networks, particularly at getting bridges and switches to do his bidding. Co-located with NYSE, the GS server would be within the critical 30-meter distance for a copper wire high speed connection -- enabling an FC-AL end-run to get a mirror of incoming NYSE Execusion Report packets. *** GS has super-high access privileges. Getting access wouldn't be that hard anyway -- not in the same physical shop. *** Frontrunning on their own customer data is one thing. Grabbing off NYSE incoming data -- that sounds more like RICO to me. *** Aleynikov had a STORM system that had to use switch resources and RPCs for its installation and operation. Exactly the tickets for crawling and then setting up extra mirror copies of the targets.
maybe the sec might fine them $600,000 when they made billions - and where do the fines go - not back to the people duped out of their money of course
SEC is ineffective at best.
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