Gold at EUR1,000/oz - Strong Physical Demand Leading To Illiquid Conditions

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Wed, 02/09/2011 - 09:41 | 946002 Bigger Dickus
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Tyler, you really gotta stop hyping gold. The gold bugs index chart is hurting for a squirtin. and by that I mean a big correction.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 09:54 | 946028 anvILL
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Why do you think it's due for a big correction? Near the 50DMA, there is a good chance for a correction.
However I don't see any good reason why we should be so concerned of a big correction. I am definitely not denying the possibility of a big correction, but I would like to know why you are so concerned by it.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 09:56 | 946031 tmosley
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You mean like the one that just ended three days ago?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:40 | 946128 william the bastard
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Like the whopper that's coming when QE ends.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:44 | 946152 EscapeKey
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Well, given that you don't short Gold yourself, who the hell cares about your advice?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:52 | 946182 william the bastard
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Alan Blinder just said on Bloomberg "odds are strongly against QE3".


Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:58 | 946208 malikai
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Sounds like an excellent indicator of a looming squeeze in PMs.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:02 | 946222 EscapeKey
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Well, then you are a FOOL not to short, right?

And yet, you don't.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:07 | 946724 Calmyourself
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Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:30 | 946808 DoChenRollingBearing
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still hearing crickets at 12:31...

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:20 | 946305 Sean7k
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QE2 is open ended. The FED never put an upward limit. The US is still creating debt in excess of it's revenues and has zero plans to change this policy. Consequently, the US must continue to sell more debt. What part of that is hard to understand? Blinder is a moron.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:51 | 946420 Just Observing
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The US will continue to TRY to sell it's debt, but as noted above, 62% of the 3 year notes didn't sell.  And how many of the 38% that did sell went to those mystry buyers in the Carribean banks ?  Yeah....wonder who THEY are ?


This shit gets funnier all the time.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:04 | 946458 Sean7k
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Sure they sold. The PD's bought 'em, will sell back in POMO and then the FED will be nice enough to hold them on their balance sheet- until they dump them onto the Taxpayer. Sarc.

The history of Ponzi schemes is well known and yet, the sell and buy your own debt to pay off old debt still plays on. 

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:32 | 946339 tmosley
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That's what they said about QE2.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:09 | 946478 High Plains Drifter
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QE will never end.  You don't get it do you?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:06 | 946721 trav7777
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Japan is still in QE/ZIRP after what, 20 years?

they may certainly give this tightening or austerity thing a try but the wheels will come right the fuck off overnight if they do.

QE was a response to the conditions of total financial collapse in 2008; none of the underlying problems (that of unsustainable debt) have been resolved.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:30 | 946805 EscapeKey
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Oh, I don't know about that. A lot of insiders managed to get out.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:32 | 946819 Hephasteus
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Yup. Seems to be what they want us to believe. Thanks for parroting the rumor.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:46 | 946155 bankrupt JPM bu...
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QE ending?  First I've heard of that...

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:47 | 946158 ColonelCooper
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Yeah, it worked so well the first time it ended.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:52 | 946186 william the bastard
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When was that?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:54 | 946192 jus_lite_reading
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QE ended when the "recession ended in June 2009"... right?

Why is anyone even considering QE 3 when the recession is OVER 2 years ago!

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:56 | 946201 william the bastard
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There is a significant argument for ended QE2 ahead of schedule.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:13 | 946268 ColonelCooper
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Whats the argument? That if we don't end it early, our computers won't be able to factor that many zeroes?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:17 | 946291 william the bastard
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Isn't this the point in the thread where you call me a homo or is that your next post?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:30 | 946331 ColonelCooper
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You're the one who's afraid of autism.  Moron.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:07 | 946473 tickhound
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"There is significant argument to end "ed" QE2 ahead of schedule"

So now Bernanke wants to crash the stock market? The Fed has the ability to cause inflation, but they can't direct it to a specific asset class. That works both ways. Junior, when I get home I'm gonna smack your momma.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:10 | 946483 ColonelCooper
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You have a three toed sloth at home?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 14:51 | 947103 gmrpeabody
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You mean when QE ends in 5 to 7 years, when the dollar reaches it's end. That whopper?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:08 | 946054 gwar5
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I was thinking the same thing about the Dow....

The cliffhanger with gold and silver right now is the decoupling of paper and physical.

That event may happen anytime and must not be missed by serious persons.

That would be truly world changing. It would be the stake in the heart to the USD WRC

Cracks are appearing.... stayed tuned to ZH at all times.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:06 | 946244 malikai
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I wonder. Could a serious decoupling or a squeeze in any one PM lead to a cascade and eventual run on treasuries? My thoughts are yes, but how would it play out? CP risk would probably kill anyone who jumped in on the paper markets. In the physical markets, controls are assured to follow, especially if there's any semblance of a gold/silver/wheat/oil currency standard. I hold the metal in my hand but wonder how it would actually play out.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 15:43 | 947302 hamurobby
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Well, there seems to be less and less gold for sale on ebay. Kruggerands and $50 Eagles are going for about $100 over spot on a per coin basis. Double eagles are $1400+, I saw a 2010 ungraded Eagle sell for $1586 last night, (item #160541441624). Wtf is so special about that coin?  

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:31 | 946100 Blindweb
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a big correction back to the several thousand year old trend line

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:40 | 946131 hampsterwheel
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People are going to need a massive mindset change soon - we left normal trading some time ago.

Historically in the early phases of massive inflation people sell when they achieved their normal expected returns - 10%, 15%, even 20% - not realizing that this was just the beginning. Even in Wiemar Germany those that sold at 300% return found several months later that they lost a great deal of stored wealth selling so cheaply.

You have to get out ahead of the trend - and that means getting out of your normalcy bias - based on the massive fiat debt, the Chinese tightening, the Fed's commitment to cheap dollars you'd have to be pretty dense to be selling physical gold... if you want to trade gold isnt the vehicle during the times we live in....



Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:05 | 946242 bronzie
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"based on the massive fiat debt, the Chinese tightening, the Fed's commitment to cheap dollars you'd have to be pretty dense to be selling physical gold"

the primary trend (up) in the precious metals will continue at least until the economy is fixed

'fixed' means: real interest rates are positive (Volker needed double-digit interest rates to accomplish this back in the late 70's), the multi-trillion dollar annual US deficit has been mostly eliminated (and not just by accounting hanky-panky), several hundred trillion dollars worth of derivative positions are unwound, the massive unfunded US liabilities are reduced or funded, etc

on top of all these issues that need to be fixed, the world is probably going to replace the US dollar as reserve currency

until the economy is fixed the precious metals bull market continues ...

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:34 | 946826 DoChenRollingBearing
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And I see no sign that the economy will get fixed anytime soon.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:44 | 946153 bankrupt JPM bu...
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More like 'smaller DICKus' loser.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:32 | 946568 Bigger Dickus
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Can you spell I-N-E-P-T  L-O-S-E-R? Well, no need to anyway. Just look yourself in the mirror and take a good look at what PMs are doing.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:04 | 946712 Bay of Pigs
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Really? Obvious from your post above you didn't read the article.

Nice try chump.

Gold over $1360  +284.30  26% YOY

Silver over $30    +14.74    95% YOY 

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:26 | 946792 Bigger Dickus
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Dude, look at recent performance.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:36 | 946840 DoChenRollingBearing
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Recent performance matters little unless you are a trader.

I am a holder.  I am very happy hanging on to my PMs to give them to my kid (or maybe grandchildren if/when that time comes).

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 16:03 | 947347 Bigger Dickus
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Dude you gotta stop rationalising every loss you make otherwise you will never be uber rich. Deal with your losses and NEVER double down on non-revenue generating assets.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 16:19 | 947385 trav7777
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so unless something always goes up every single day, it should be sold?

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 17:15 | 947528 JonNadler
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sell your gold! Bernanke will raise rates soon, he will raise rates to 20% before May, I have it on good authority! Never mind that the interest on the debt will explode or that the economy will implode, he will raise rates, caus a dick told me......Bigger Dickus that is 

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 13:43 | 946867 Hephasteus
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Recent performance is a paper lie. These markets will be put in massive backwardation.

The dollars dead. No exceptions.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 17:18 | 947535 JonNadler
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Bigger Dickus is not me and am not Bigger Dickus, although I, JonAdler are a big d......

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 11:37 | 946355 lawrence1
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It's his site, he can and should do anything he likes, we're consenting adults, so fuck off.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 09:43 | 946005 sudzee
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Cental bank vaults are empty except for skids of paper. For the last 10-12 years the connected and the "little guy" have been buying the shiny stuff that the the paper ponzi was built upon.

Central banks and gov'ts running on thin air. The only possible supply of gold to keep kicking the can down the road is the PM etf's. Expect a massive selldown in these etf's as a grab for the last real wealth available.


Wed, 02/09/2011 - 09:56 | 946033 financeguru500
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Sudzee you are so far off. Yes people that come on zerohedge are most likely buying gold but the "little guys" are not the ones buying up all the gold. Non-Western Central banks are buying up gold and the rich are buying up gold. Both are doing so as hedges to the dollar. Don't count on the "little guys" having more than maybe a 5% share of the entire amount of gold that is out there.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 10:36 | 946114 sudzee
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So much hoopla has been raised about China's increase of 650 tonnes of gold added to reserves over a period of 3 years. India inports last year were 650 tonnes officially. Import taxes on gold has created a black market in gold for years. Possible importation of a few hundred tonnes to skirt the tax. Indian official central bank reserves of gold have barely increased over the last 10 years. The little guy has been stashing gold for a good many years.

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