Gold To Rise On $14.3 Trillion U.S. Debt Limit Increase – Bloomberg Chart of the Day

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Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:09 | 1473115 Gordon Freeman
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So I've got that going for me--which is nice...

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:06 | 1473126 GetZeeGold
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Be the Ball.....GUNGA GALUNGA!

The Lama has left the building.....out the back usual.

Looks like we're making 14 dollars the hard asset way.

So I've got that going for me--which is nice...


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 09:52 | 1473464 JW n FL
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by Gordon Freeman
on Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:09

So I've got that going for me--which is nice...




and for our gun tip of the day!!


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:11 | 1473117 GeneMarchbanks
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$1800 after the "ceiling" is raised for King Ponzi.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:35 | 1473150 equity_momo
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We will have escape velocity after this debt ceiling gets raised. And once QE is confirmed again , gold breaks 1700 quickly  then 1800 and then you'll see the sheep take note as it approaches 2k.  But there will be very little physical for sale (the old adage of higher prices cure tight supply will not work for Gold. Buying will beget buying as trust in all things paper is lost)and premiums are going to widen dramatically.

We are close now. I hope you're all ready.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:17 | 1473231 SWRichmond
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A friend asked me yesterday "You're not stll buying at THESE prices, are you?  This sucker has a long way to run.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:37 | 1473268 El Viejo
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But Ben says it will be different this time. (He may actually mean it) No QE unless growth less than 2% . I think he's feeling a little guilty about the starving and dying in the Middle East and now in China.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:53 | 1473304 equity_momo
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real growth has been below 2% for a long time. soon nominal growth will also dip below that as the Govn and the Fed realize the corner they have painted themselves in.   GDP is going to plummet and take risk assets with it , but not gold this time.  The reaction will be obvious: print. And then rinse/repeat the last 2 years but i think the stick save will only last 6 months next time.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 09:08 | 1473328 El Viejo
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Ha! When has the govt ever used real numbers?

Indo-China effect may now be the driving force for Gold.

(It's a global village now.) (with discretionary income)

Sorry this post was for Gold below. I got cornfused.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 09:30 | 1473400 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Crack up Boom per Mises:


This first stage of the inflationary process may last for many years. While it lasts, the prices of many goods and services are not yet adjusted to the altered money relation. There are still people in the country who have not yet become aware of the fact that they are confronted with a price revolution which will finally result in a considerable rise of all prices, although the extent of this rise will not be the same in the various commodities and services. These people still believe that prices one day will drop. Waiting for this day, they restrict their purchases and concomitantly increase their cash holdings. As long as such ideas are still held by public opinion, it is not yet too late for the government to abandon its inflationary policy.

But then, finally, the masses wake up. They become suddenly aware of the fact that inflation is a deliberate policy and will go on endlessly. A breakdown occurs. The crack-up boom appears. Everybody is anxious to swap his money against ‘real’ goods, no matter whether he needs them or not, no matter how much money he has to pay for them. Within a very short time, within a few weeks or even days, the things which were used as money are no longer used as media of exchange. They become scrap paper. Nobody wants to give away anything against them.

It was this that happened with the Continental currency in America in 1781, with the French mandats territoriaux in 1796, and with the German mark in 1923. It will happen again whenever the same conditions appear. If a thing has to be used as a medium of exchange, public opinion must not believe that the quantity of this thing will increase beyond all bounds. Inflation is a policy that cannot last.

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:59 | 1473717 Frog-And-Toad
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What a fantastic quote... I literally just sent this to 5 people I have had heated debates over what is happening concerning our fiat system, as they believe everything is alright as stock prices have increased. Thank you for this.



Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:00 | 1473500 DosZap
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I do not think the Sheeple of the last two Generations GET IT.

Of course the ZH one's do,but as a WHOLE, they are not paying attention, were never taught to observe these types of issues.And, frankly could care less(until they get gored).

The prices going up, will not RING ANY BELLS for them.


When the SHTF, they will be the Lemmings off the cliff, as will the very elderly, on fixed incomes.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:20 | 1473531 equity_momo
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Very true.

I spoke to some old colleagues recently .

They always thought me crazy post 08 in urging them into gold around 8 or 900. I said i wish i knew what i did then all the way back after the tech blow up as id be long gold from 3-400.

Gold is now 1600. They still havent bought any and still think im a little crazy. I doubt Gold 2k will change their views.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:09 | 1473515 DosZap
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I do not think the Sheeple of the last two Generations GET IT.

Of course the ZH one's do,but as a WHOLE, they are not paying attention, were never taught to observe these types of issues.And, frankly could care less(until they get gored).

The prices going up, will not RING ANY BELLS for them.


When the SHTF, they will be the Lemmings off the cliff, as will the very elderly, on fixed incomes.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 11:13 | 1473777 Hugh_Jorgan
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You're right, they don't and won't get it until they can't buy their food from the grocery store on a regular basis. At that point it could be too late.


On the other hand, for those of us with a clue we might want to be armed against these people who will likely be hysterical and feeling like they have nothing to lose. Just sayin'...

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:12 | 1473118 unky
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if you look very carefully at the diagram you can see that most of the times there was a significant drop in gold prices directly after the debt ceiling increase.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:15 | 1473122 slaughterer
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Immediate reaction of PMs are to drop after a debt ceiling rise.  But long term the debt ceiling rise pushes PMs up.  

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:16 | 1473124 Version 7
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Good point. Notice also that trend stops around 2006.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:34 | 1473153 Gordon Freeman
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I think that happened yesterday.  Maybe that was it...

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:31 | 1473258 El Viejo
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Vector 1  =  Buy on rumor(fact in this case) Sell on news.

Vector 2  =  Typical August Dip in Gold Then shoot the moon till Jan'12

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:48 | 1473654 DosZap
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Vector 3 = This is not like any August in the History of the USA.

Chunk Typical OUT the window.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:13 | 1473119 Version 7
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Admitting that the US debt ceiling continues to go parabolic, so we have it for gold.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:14 | 1473120 Al Gorerhythm
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Yoo Hoooooo!

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:15 | 1473121 Paralympic Equity
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Debt is bad, mmmkay

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:27 | 1473137 Freewheelin Franklin
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No, no, no. Debt is good. Debt creates currency. Actually, debt is currency. The more currency that there is, the richer the country is. More money = more wealth. I know, because Pauly Krugnuts said so. Something about the "multiplier effect".


Hahaha. I just found out that I was blocked by Krugnut's FB page.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 09:01 | 1473322 FEDbuster
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And of course this instant classic interview of Congressman Pete Stark for the debt=wealth crowd:

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:16 | 1473541 pops
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After watching that video, I just had to watch another one....this one.

Priceless stuff.  Not the subject matter (although it's important) but the closed captioning.  It was hilarious.  Where do they get the people to do this?

Watch it without anything in your mouth and read the bottom.  You'll love it.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:52 | 1473665 DosZap
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The reason we have not seen Inflation taking WAY off,is the fact Bernak is NOT printing any currency.

Just entries in a computer,

Sooner or later, he or whoever has his Job, will have to actually PRINT.

When that happens, look out.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:17 | 1473127 youngman
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That is because the press spews that the world is saved because we raised our debt ceiling....when the truth is the country and the dollar just got weaker because of it....bad press..easy Economics..just like looked like a deal was the fear trade was OFF...but it should be ON

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:19 | 1473128 Al Gorerhythm
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Gold is flat in U.S. dollars and New Zealand dollars but marginally lower in most currencies today as increased risk appetite has seen risk assets rally  ...... despite poor fundamentals.

It's all makes so much sense. 

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:22 | 1473131 cossack55
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fundamentals are transitory.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:31 | 1473146 francis_sawyer
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funny mentals

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:58 | 1473706 DaveyJones
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Funny postal

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:35 | 1473148 Al Gorerhythm
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And now, taking centre stage, supporting the fundamentals with scintillating insights, is the classic gold top caller, Mr 100:1 himself, Mr. Jeffery Christian of CPM Group with his latest call (Cue drum roll) ......... Ta Daaahhh! "Gold to maintain $1000.00 floor for the next decade".

Mr. Christian!

Mr. Christian?

Mr. Christian seems to be late. Again.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:41 | 1473170 GeneMarchbanks
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I noticed this also. Jeff Christian has to be the biggest clown in the PM analcysts game. Or Nadler.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:41 | 1473629 oddjob
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My vote goes to Gartman, he will continue to sell half his gold forever.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:43 | 1473175 GetZeeGold
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Heh heh.......Mr. Christian has left the building...out the back usual.

How bad is it when the whole world knows you're dirty and makes fun of you?


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 11:32 | 1473853 GoinFawr
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Hey, that's just not true. Kid Dynamite thinks he's great!

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 09:27 | 1473391 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Wow!  Gutsy call!



Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:21 | 1473130 Oh regional Indian
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Gold will rise. In dollears.

When there is no more dollear, it will sink in Ameros.

What will silver do? That is the bigger question.

While everyone splits hair on Gold's role (perhaps even Silver), we might, in these ever new times, an altogether new store of value. The even bigger question is, what will that be? 

Think.... it's all about value in the coming times.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:24 | 1473133 cossack55
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Easy. Brass, lead and some copper.

OBTW, either you erred in spelling dollars or you were correct in your spelling, pointing out that dollears do in fact hold more value than dollars.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:03 | 1473203 Oh regional Indian
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On purpose Coss. ;-) And I'm thinking beyond the survival paradigm here!


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 07:39 | 1473166 equity_momo
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Thats easy Ori.  Energy.   Whether thats calories you put in your mouth or gas you put in your car or electricity you get when you flick a switch.

Whatever new currency is created will need to be backed by gold and energy. Currently the dollar is only backed by energy and we have the US Military to thank for that. There will be no new currency unless the US Military decide to back it. Before the dollar falls be prepared for some major carpet bombing.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:10 | 1473218 Oh regional Indian
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Ah, but there is a big assumption on yoru part that the US military is going to be a force into the coming paradigm as well.

I would not assume that for anything more than the short term (year or a bit at most).
Then we all fall down together and wake to this new paradigm.

Energy indeed, but not newtonian or amperic either.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:32 | 1473260 Tortfeasor
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Methinks you underestimate the raw power of the US military.  It is stretched and weary, but when mobilized outright it is a dramatic force.  Even with Afghanistan and Iraq, we have not seen the total power that can be unleashed on the world.  Like the waters of a dammed up lake...break the dam (the government control of the military) and beware the flood.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 11:02 | 1473732 DaveyJones
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True but you sound a little roman. And isn't all money a symbol for energy or work

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 08:33 | 1473262 equity_momo
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I agree with Nial Ferguson , in his book Colossus , when he argues the point that the US Superpower provides a status quo of sorts. Throughout the ages Empires have created order - regardless if you think thats good or bad- but without one we create a vacuum and i doubt that is good for anyone. History suggests a power vacuum causes more imbalances and chaos.

I see no alternative to paper defaults and war. The US Military will fight to keep order until there is an obvious competitor to take over.   I do wonder why Americans get angry at military spending and Middle Eastern wars. They dont seem to realize what the alternative is.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 09:18 | 1473361 FEDbuster
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Don't you think that those whom have grown tired of the US control (via the US military) might be sensing an opportunity at this point in time?  I think there are some major forces in the world willing to "test" the US military's resolve to back the dollar.  Only time will tell.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 10:37 | 1473610 equity_momo
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I think possibly they are yes. But its David v Goliath.  I dont see a parallel in history to what we are going through until you get back to the Roman Empire.  Essentially Rome defeated itself as wil the US.


The Romans shifted their power base to Constantinople. I wonder where the new DC will become. Sydney? 

Once the US can no longer afford to project outward power to secure energy resources its Dark Ages II.


Wed, 07/20/2011 - 11:09 | 1473752 DaveyJones
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It's David(s) and Goliath. Good posts

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