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Gold Surpasses $1,364 As 2 Year Drops To New Record Of 0.37%

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It is getting scary out there. The LBMA has now lost all control over the gold market, even as the Fed now has the entire bond market in the palm of its hand. A little earlier spot gold passed a new record price of $1,364, which as the chart below shows, demonstrates a parabolic blow off or something in the precious metal, while in bond land the 2 Year has collapsed to 0.37%, an unprecedented low yield. There is a possibility gold will take out $1,400 within days. Not to be left alone, the 10 Year has also surged and is now touching 2.39%, bringing it to within 11 bps of the Bund, the tightest spread since December 2009. In other news, today will be another day in which both deflation and inflation win at the same time, leading to major confusion for everyone in the prediction game. And with gold already up 1% on the day, stocks will continue to be down in real terms.

 


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Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:01 | Link to Comment Gen X Gen Y Hybrid
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If there is a gold correction (there has to be a pullback at some point)....where is the retracement?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:04 | Link to Comment snowball777
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1295-1300

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:07 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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There's no way I'm trading - I fear not being able to get back on board if I do.

If this is the foot of the parabolic curve, there doesn't need to be a retracement. Not saying I believe it is, but I wouldn't rule it out, either.

The USD has another horror day. USD/JPY 82.3. So much for the BoJ currency intervention.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:08 | Link to Comment Hansel
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+1, No way I'm giving my position up now either. A reason not to.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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The smart money will buy on dips, not sell and therefore makes retracement that more difficult.

MSM starting to recomend gold - this is what scares me.

They push the sheep into the GLD with the hopes of continuing to manipulate.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Henry Chinaski
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Paralyzed is a good description.  Can't bring myself to sell and plan to buy on the dips.

"MSM starting to recomend gold - this is what scares me."

First, I am not sure about that.  If you go back and read tha last several MW articles on gold, they are mostly putting it down and hyping the risk and disadvantages. Second, isn't that what all the gold bugs have predicted.  At some point the masses jump in and gold goes ballistic.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:16 | Link to Comment thesapein
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Right, we can't be ahead of the curve if the rest never actually follow that curve...

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:10 | Link to Comment snowball777
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The BOJ will come to their senses once it breaks 82. If Japan doesn't have its exports, it doesn't exist.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:13 | Link to Comment unum mountaineer
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hope there is, but I get the sense shit is picking up fast...as in feces meet fan event(s), hence small to mid pull back, then sky rocket...this shit is money man..I'm not one to be an unwilling participant of these egomaniac's pissing contest.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:16 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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I would be wary of being long tomorrow morning at this time. The Evil Empire will seize any moment they can to cause a sharp pullback by scaring out the new weak-handed, momentum-based longs.

The BLS BS that will be released in 24 hours will somehow be construed as enough of a surprise to cause some type of short-term, short-squeezing dollar bounce. The EE will then try, once again, to paint the tape with an "outside reversal day"...maybe drive gold back down through 1350 toward 1330. The question is, will our buyer(s) of size step in and bring gold back to down only a few dollars? Recent history suggests that they will. They've got the EE on the mat. There's no sense in letting their collective feet off their throats.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:18 | Link to Comment unum mountaineer
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damn, i'll be in meetings all day. I should <cough> <cough>, mail it in so I can watch this play out tomorrow. Friday will be an interesting day..

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:19 | Link to Comment Clark_Griswold ...
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I agree, I plan on taking some off the table today.

At some point there will be a push down, granted it could be for a day or a few hours only.

How many times have we seen it open down 1% only to recover and climb 1% by days end.

I think today's little price gift, is worthy of cashing out a bit, and reassessing tomorrow mid day.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:49 | Link to Comment unum mountaineer
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very useful metal indeed. I'm always on the look out for digorno if you know what I mean...what to do with what's on ice is a little easier.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:07 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Dinero

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:12 | Link to Comment infotechsailor
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its not delivery...?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:15 | Link to Comment UGrev
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^thread winner

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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You sir win the crimex.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:25 | Link to Comment flacon
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And I have a "Learning Tree" exam tomorrow! Shucks!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:50 | Link to Comment John Bigboote
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Nice call on $1350 by the end of the week, Turd.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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Thanks, John. No reason not to expect $1500 by 12/10/10 to play out, too.

Lots more to come. December and February calls, though expensive, should payoff handsomely.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:46 | Link to Comment MrMorden
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I hope so, that's my birthday and would make a nice present!  :D

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Max UK
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Hi Turd,

love your comments, but have some observations.

Dollar weakens, all other things constant, price of commodities in dollars goes up. Additionally, dollar weakens, safety is sought in commodities & PMs. Fed has a policy to weaken the dollar, and we are seeing it happen real time. Its a tough call now for the cartel, with a plunging dollar, to smack gold and keep it down, no?

Secondly, if the 'buyers' are represented by one or two heavyweights, they will squeeze the cartel in a controlled fashion, so as not to ramp up the price of the thing they want to acquire. The spiralling price suggests that several buyers are now competing with each other, it is now a disorderly scrum for the metal.

These two factors are already powerful argument to suggest that the cartel has lost control, but there is a third. Gold/silver ratio has fallen to 58 for the first time in ages; silver is blazing a trail, and is the long lever on gold.

My hunch is that any smackdown will be short lived; this is game-on!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:09 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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The spiralling price suggests that several buyers are now competing with each other, it is now a disorderly scrum for the metal.

Wait till the real action starts in a few months.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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Max, I'd go along with all of your observations, particularly your reference to silver. This move in PMs/$ has seemingly taken on a life of its own buy it all started in the Comex silver pit. It became quite clear, about 6 weeks ago, that the Comex was flat out of silver...and they still are. This realization caused many gold investors, who for years had been skeptical, to begin to wonder: "hmmm, if the Comex is out of silver, they're probably out of gold, too.". 

Now, with the ongoing global currency devaluations only exacerbated by the imminent "qe2", you have the proverbial "perfect storm" overwhelming the Evil Empire. HAHAHAHAHA. Fuck em.

I have long maintained that gold would trade at 1350 by Halloween and 1500 by 12/10/10. Santa Sinclair has had, for the past eight years, a price target of 1650 by early 2011. All of these targets are now not only possible but likely. I mention this again not to tout how brilliant I am...I'm most certainly not. It's just that once you realize that the end of the Keynesian system to which we are all accustomed is upon us and once you admit that the Comex is the most manipulated "market" in the world, price action in gold gets quite predictable. "So easy a Turd can do it."

 

Buy all dips. Wait for the buyer(s) of size to show up first but buy all dips.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Vergeltung
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thanks for posting such informative stuff here on ZH. I am sure 1000s of readers appreciate it!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 12:35 | Link to Comment DocLogo
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indeed. when it comes to PM's...turd is the shit ;)

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:57 | Link to Comment unum mountaineer
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DIPS...

..fun bux - check

...coat..check

fuck it..early lunch for me.....

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Spigot
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If you believe in using the fibo retrace and the 1190-1210 range was the last major basing figure than you could go from the intermediate top price and drop to 32%, 50% pr 62% for the difference between the two as a potential low mark before reasserting the trend upward.

I disagree with the "parabolic" blow off terminology. If you look at the above chart we are really just getting back up to the lower trend line which started in 2005-ish. IMO I believe we are seeing a siutation where an artificially foisted selling pressure (TPTB) tried to supress the price action and then finally failed. In which case this would/may be similar to the 1976-77 gold drop before the REAL blow off which was 400% above those figures.

That would mean $5000-6000 gold price would be a peak-ish looking price.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Spigot
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But really, what is releasing gold? Its the final dis-investment of those with money from the "yada-yada" BS saying "everything will be better by and by". The upper 1% are turning away from this yammering and making their own decisions, and some of that goes to gold, hence, price appreciation.

The limiter here will be IF TPTB can get this train wreck under control and people start to believe again, then gold will soften, otherwise any dips will be buying opportunities. Its not a mania until everyone and the shoe shine buy are buying gold and silver.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:02 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Goled, bitchez...

gold's previous parabolic phases ran pretty hard...recall the multiyear move from 250 to 750

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:10 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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Parabolic, not anywhere near it.  We haven't had any $100 days yet.  By the time this thing has run its course we'll have seen $500 days, up and down.  The real mania phase is going to be a wild ride.  Why?  Simple: the failure of fiat money, and everything is denominated in fiat money.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:26 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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+++

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:44 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Goled, bitchez...

Get a new one.  This one is old...

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:04 | Link to Comment unum mountaineer
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dont forget about Ag.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:10 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Pd, bitchezziz! +46.7% YoY (did you know that the S&P is down over 10% when denominated in relatively obscure platinum group metals?)

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:15 | Link to Comment unum mountaineer
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+1..yes, Pd indeed

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:04 | Link to Comment Clark_Griswold ...
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January Leaps Bitchez!!!!!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:05 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Which year? ;)

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:07 | Link to Comment Clark_Griswold ...
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deep in the money 2011, 2012 for gdx & slw

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:05 | Link to Comment fresbee
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Gold in EURO terms is the right metric to look at. 

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:55 | Link to Comment tmosley
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If you are European.

Most of us don't get paid in Euros, moron.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:59 | Link to Comment au_bayitch
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+1

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:54 | Link to Comment macroeconomist
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Well, he's not a moron, he has a good point I wanted to mention as well. Gold priced in  euros is the right metric to understand the level of "rush into gold".The price struggles to exceed the 970Euro level for quite some time, which shows that it is not escape from fiat into gold as some suggest here. Same applies to price of gold measured in a lot of other currencies (franc,yen, aussie dollar and many developing country currencies that have experienced massive appreciations), the prices are high but the levels at the moment are below maximums seen in May, and gold is not such a huge discussion. The stock markets in developing countries are soaring with carry trade, etc. So it is indeed dollar depreciating more than anything else at the moment, and some U.S investors are investing these dollars in gold. The real rush to Gold was in May, this is nothing compared to that..The real shitstorm will start when the all these charades stop simultenously..

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:09 | Link to Comment fiddler_on_the_roof
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Scared a bit about your short Gold trade?
Pompous Gold traders will be crucified on a
Golden cross. As "Another" said Paper Gold will
make a big fire

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:14 | Link to Comment Anton LaVey
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And your point is...?

Gold has been rising continuously, for the past 5 to 10 years, over all currencies you care to name. The US$ and the EUR prices have been rising, overall, pretty much in lockstep.

Currency debasement is a game many can play...

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:32 | Link to Comment ATTILA THE WIMP
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Gold was up against the Euro in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and so far in 2010

http://gold.bullionvault.com/How/GoldChart

I read all your posts, please keep posting. I don't pretend to be a financial whiz, that's why I hang out at ZH all day and read most posts except those by insane Belgium meth heads.

Just for the record my GUESS is gold will certainly out perform all stock indexes, bonds and currencies and get to $5,000-$50,000 per Oz within 2 years.

 

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:10 | Link to Comment Thunder Dome
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YOU CAN'T EAT GOLD!!!  I'd rather buy Yellowcake (aka Uranium).

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:15 | Link to Comment mrgneiss
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I heard Yellowcake sits heavy in the stomach.

You can drink colloidal silver!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:27 | Link to Comment JLee2027
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:38 | Link to Comment thesapein
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Just because some idiot doesn't know how to break silver up into small enough pieces so that it doesn't get trapped in the skin, doesn't mean you have to be an idiot, too.

Idiots can get sunburned. Does that mean everybody should stay out of the sun?

Sorry, I'm just so sick of this myth spreading around about silver, as if I live in a dark age of mass ignorance. No one is capable of researching the science, just passing links like rumors...

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:50 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Silver in nano-colloidal is preferred.  I use a spray bottle and put a dash in the mouth daily after brushing teeth!  Been cold free for over 10 years.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 14:49 | Link to Comment thesapein
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My preference, too!

Daily? Aren't you a little worried that your body will start to rely on it? But maybe that's just me. I like to deprive myself of some important things a bit so that my body doesn't get too many ideas about outsourcing its productivity.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:53 | Link to Comment Biosci
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So you really could pay an arm and a leg, or give your left nut, because they'll have intrinsic value.  Nice.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:12 | Link to Comment Hdawg
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Cinderella Man

"There's a storm coming that the weather man couldn't predict" - Eminem

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:54 | Link to Comment Coast Watcher
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"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." - Dylan

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Moonrajah
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"This is 9 tre news I'm Jimmy Jones here with your weather

We apologize for the drought all week

But it looks like thunderstorms all weekend.

We fittin to make it rain on you motherfuckers"

Jim Jones - Weatherman

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Xedus129
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+1

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:12 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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2-10 year spread back up above 2%. Fixed income employees breathe a sigh of relief... for now.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:12 | Link to Comment Oso
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anyone noticing "dollar down-stocks up" correlation seems to be breaking down last couple days...?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:33 | Link to Comment 10044
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Yes, just like the gold down dollar up broke down a few months ago, and soon enough it'll be everything down gold up. At the same time Bob Prechter will be admitted to hospital

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Xedus129
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Mental hospital or Cardiology department?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:14 | Link to Comment yuri82
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"No pyramid can endura when the base collapses"

"Trillion Dollar bailout for the insiders"

"Not one dollar for the taxpayers???"

http://www.dc-coin.com/2008hardtimestoken536minted-1.aspx

 

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:14 | Link to Comment JiangxiDad
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DXY shows support around 76, so maybe another 1% down for dollar, up for gold, for now at least. If it breaks through that this time around,all bets off.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:17 | Link to Comment phaesed
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Honestly, they're manipulating the market quite well even if it will undoubtedly fail in the long run. However the bond/gold/stock relation is rather intact, easier lending supports the market as gold skyrockets... yay! However if QE2 hits and congress authorizes new funds to blink into existance, expect a huge dollar rally.

 

Also with the pullback most likely over in the 30 year, I'm expecting new low yields and re-iterate my call on rates lower than 3.0%.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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However if QE2 hits and congress authorizes new funds to blink into existance, expect a huge dollar rally.

Epic, epic  fail dude.  Your last word should read collapse, not rally.  Well you know what they say about a fool and his money.  Have fun.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:42 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Me too -- that was a head scratcher

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:26 | Link to Comment bada boom
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And the rubberband stretches ever more...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1csyc_the-spinners-rubberband-man_music

The Spinners - Rubberband Man, how fitting!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:25 | Link to Comment john_connor
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Scary times indeed.  Obviously people think all hell is going to break loose over the next 2 years.  Bernanke can skew the curve to force rates lower; however he cannot force people and companies to borrow.

Also, if things are so great, why is the 3 mo. T-Bill still near zero?  If hot venture capital was in play, the 3 mo. T-bill would be rising.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:18 | Link to Comment Anton LaVey
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Security play. Smart money buys gold for insurance. Dumb money - and there is no shortage of that - buys T-Bonds for insurance.

Pretty soon, even dumb money will realize that bonds are useless. Then, the real fun begins.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:29 | Link to Comment Pining for the ...
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Exactly- scary times. And physical gold is alot more than the recommended 10-20% of my investments, so I am doing very well on this move. Nevertheless I am nervous, as something fundamental has changed in the last 2 months that I cannot get my head around. Look at that chart since Aug 1- I have yet to hear a cogent explanation that takes into account this shift in sentiment.  Yes, I know Bernanke is percieved to be backstopping the market and dead set on devaluing the dollar- was this not well understood quite some time ago? Yes, I know there is a worldwide race to the bottom in currency devaluation- haven't we known this for a very long time?

Something different and significant is taking place, I wish I knew what.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Attitude_Check
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Gold is becoming remonetized.  Imagine the needed price for Gold that would support world-trade.  We are A LONG WAY from that price.  This is a singularity event.  On the other side of that singularity, those that have Gold will own those that do not.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:52 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Shadow Gold Price (SGP) ... that borrows from the Bretton Woods formula for valuing money in a gold-exchange regime (i.e. the fixed value of a currency equals its outstanding monetary base divided by official gold holdings). Under this formula the exchange rate of the US dollar to an ounce of gold would be about $8,250 presently, a figure that reflects the amount of monetary base inflation already engineered by the Fed. (The US monetary base approximated $2.15 trillion in September and reported official US gold holdings have remained relatively constant at about 8,133.5 metric tons or about 261.5 million ounces.) We approached the SGP from another angle last month and came away with a policy action we believe the markets will begin to discount. The Fed’s September 24 balance sheet reported the value of its “Gold Certificate Account” to be worth $11.037 billion, a figure that implies the Fed has claims on the US Treasury’s entire stock of gold and that it is carrying those claims on its balance sheet at Treasury’s official gold price — $42.22/oz ($11.037 billion divided by 261.5 million ounces).

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/10/who-is-john-galt/

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:31 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:33 | Link to Comment desgust
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uita-te la FOFOA!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:37 | Link to Comment sudzee
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Silver. The highest percentage short in the history of commodities and it just continues up. Round and round she goes and who she blows nobody knows. Whodaknowed.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:37 | Link to Comment gwar5
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I'm never leaving. I'm afraid I'll miss something. Ag and Au both kickin it again...

Naysayers and professional suppression deniers are all gone from the internet...  

PM's Theory is now mainstream fact and prices released from the gravity of the JPM and HSBC black hole.

The market wins. 

 

Down goes Frazier!... down goes Frazier!... down goes Frazier!

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Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:41 | Link to Comment lieutenantjohnchard
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what's to fear? it's logical. paper money backed by nothing. wars. budget, trade and current account deficits. 20% to 25% under/unemployment. jobs overseas. incompetence in the white house etc etc ...

buy gold, silver etc for protection.

as sinclair said: the gold market is the world's smallest market chased by the world's biggest money.

 

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:49 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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It's nice to put the new numbers in the spreadsheet, but when I think about what it really means... not so nice.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:50 | Link to Comment trav7777
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The gold price chart is more overbought than I can find at any point in the past 5 years.  I would be highly wary here.

The question is, supposing you take money out of miners in a 401k, where the HELL do you park it?  How much further could bonds run in a dollar countertrend rally...

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:13 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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Becase I suck at timing, and because I took my positions far below here, I am just sitting on it all.  Let 'er ride.  You're exactly right: where would I put the money?  I bought a ticket, I'm on the train.  I'm gonna sit here and read a book for awhile, look out the window every now and then to see where we are and how far we've traveled.  But I ain't getting off, not yet.  My holdings have gone up in value enough this week to pay my mortgage for a year.  No shit.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:39 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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My holdings have gone up in value enough this week to pay my mortgage for a year.

Judge: Oh, so you're saying these bank foreclosure documents are fraudulent are you? Not according to your elected officials they're not.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:52 | Link to Comment mjbommar
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S&P 500 is down 5% relative to gold since early September...

S&P 500 and Gold: Cumulative Return and Correlation

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:43 | Link to Comment ATTILA THE WIMP
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Price of gold on Sep. 10th, 2001, the day before the horrible terrible Osama bin Subcontractor attacked us because he hates our Freedom Fries: $271.50. Current price of gold: $1,249 - up 360%.

Price of S&P 500 on Sep. 10th, 2001: 1,093. Current S&P 500: 1,110 - Up 2%

This does not take into account the dividends that one would have gotten from owning the stocks but I doubt that it would make much difference. “Current” price as of 4:30 PM September 10, 2010)

Gold up 360% stocks up 1%

Comrade peasants, we have been at war with the horrible terrible Islamo-fascists for nine years. Show me one war in all history without an increase in commodity prices or without an increase in the desire for gold, just one.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Andrew G
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Cmon gold-suppression biatchez (not you my dear ZH bitchez), bring it on - let's see what you got!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Bow Tie
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we aint seen nothing yet if all these new longs are in it for the metal. and i think a good amount of them will be. no paper settlement please, lets see if there's if there's any gold (and silver) up that JPM asshole.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Kina
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Don't think you can say overbought unless you know the reason it is flying. If people are seeing the writing on the wall and getting in before the 'rush' they wont depart easily.

Maybe some early holders may take profits, but if they understood why they went into gold they wouldn't be selling any or all of it right now, on the verge of placebo 2.

 

 

 

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:05 | Link to Comment scratch_and_sniff
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Scary indeed, gold is well and truly off the leash.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:05 | Link to Comment Clark_Griswold ...
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I do believe the gang at JPM, may need a early morning changing of the "briefs".....

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Kina
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This strong AUD is a pain. Common China give us a scare, drop the AUD and push even more into gold.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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Corrections in both Gold and Silver will be brief. This PM buying spree is a revolt and just getting started.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:25 | Link to Comment Anton LaVey
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Precisely. Concisely said.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:16 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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In other news, today will be another day in which both deflation and inflation win at the same time, leading to major confusion for everyone in the prediction game.

There is no confusion.  Everything is deflating with respect to real money, gold.  Paper currency-thingies are deflating with respect to gold.  some things are deflating with respect to paper currency-thingies, some are not.  THAT is a source of confusion, but only for people who still believe paper currency-thingies are money.

The final paradigm.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:25 | Link to Comment Anton LaVey
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One should not confuse inflation (a purely monetary phenomenon) with rising prices, which can be due to many reasons beyond inflation. Deflation and inflation at the same time is an impossibility. Deflation and rising prices, on the other hand, is perfectly possible, but the rise in prices is not due to monetary changes.

Right now, it is perfectly possible to have rising prices in many economic activities, but this is due mainly to the loss of the value of the US$ with respect to other currencies. Once Deflation and currency debasement have run their course, hyperinflation - or, at the very least, stagflation - are the only possible end-games.

Either way, this will only increase the price of Gold in US$. And other currencies, of course.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:30 | Link to Comment JonNadler
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Am officially an imbecile

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:58 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Don't be so hard on yourself.  Have a nice glass of milk and a cookie.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Don't worry. You won't feel a thing after a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQstVlp__-g&feature=related

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 16:20 | Link to Comment akak
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I must admit that I truly admired your pretzel-logic in declaring that gold was not in a bull market, while simultaneously warning that its price is in "bubble territory".  Such mental gymnastics!  Have you ever considered taking part in the Intellectual Special Olympics?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:42 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Looks like the run is over.

Anybody have the guts to go short?

 

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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Good luck with that top call, Robo. I hope no one is foolish enough to short on your opinion.

Expect extreme volatility for the next 24 hours. Personally, I'm not doing shit except sit back and watch. Not worth it.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:06 | Link to Comment unum mountaineer
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ditto..do have my fun bux ready though....need to finish up before 12/31

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:26 | Link to Comment JonNadler
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yes, yes, please listen to me,... I mean robot and short gold, please!!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 13:11 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Personally I'd get on a boat and sail to west india. But I'm feeling all Columbus for some reason.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:54 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I was callin a trader friend for short at 1360...the price looks too overbought.  Dunno how deep the correction will be, but we'll certainly find out.  I would go short here with a tight leash but short something with a higher beta.

Will be interesting to see how or if the miners confirm any move

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 02:20 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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That second chart is pure money Rocky.

Regards

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:01 | Link to Comment hpprinter000
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profit taking?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:42 | Link to Comment tmosley
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I dare you.  Bet the money you normally spend on internet service.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 16:38 | Link to Comment akak
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Yes, RobotTrader, several hours of decline prove that gold's run is definitely over.

You are the ultimate in short-term-thinking idiots.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:43 | Link to Comment BearishFeijoadaSushi
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In other news, brazilian real remains pegged to Gold.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:52 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Nice vertical drop off 1360.  Would prefer to see it consolidate and burn some of this overbought off.  Don't like skislope ramps

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:56 | Link to Comment JJ McApe
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woooohooo tyler....

20$ hit

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:58 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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Last time I pulled the trigger was silver 8.75.  I won't touch it unless they drop it to 15.  Note the  4 dollar premium?:

Order Date: 10/24/2008

1 oz (.999) Fine (NEW) Silver Rounds - Buffalo (11-21) $12.50
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:44 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Too bad.  Looks like you won't be getting any more silver then.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:20 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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Maybe, maybe not.  More realistically look for 20-21 to buy in.  That's gonna be the retest of the 2008 March highs.  Think about the high premium coins since those are compressed right now:

http://www.apmex.com/Product/56843/2010_Silver_Chinese_Pandas_1_oz___In_...

 

http://www.apmex.com/Product/59085/2011_Canadian_1_oz_Silver_Wolf_Coins_...

 

http://www.apmex.com/Product/54872/2010_Year_of_the_Tiger___1_oz_Silver_...

 

Why buy these?  Because when silver gets to 1000 plus an ounce counterfeiting will be a serious issue and these coins will demand a hefty premium.  Even the Chinese can't counterfeit these baby's.  Not only that, that Panda is actually denominated in yuan, which at some point might be higher than the silver value.........

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:14 | Link to Comment wafflehead
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lolz

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:00 | Link to Comment lsbumblebee
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I see the Cartel is busy this morning making gold more affordable for all of us. Bless their little hearts.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:26 | Link to Comment lsbumblebee
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Note the timing of this takedown. Expect tomorrow's payroll report to be butt-ugly.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:31 | Link to Comment JonNadler
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Jonny, you can come back now, Robo did, you can too, tell us you can't eat gold and that it's going to 200

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Scisco
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I guess he heard you :)

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:45 | Link to Comment D-Falt
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Hold the gold, balance it with stocks from consumer non-durables and tobacco and alcohol sellers.  Call this portfolio Operation Shitstorm.  That's what will happen if Ben decides the QE Copter won't quite fly...

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:49 | Link to Comment MrMorden
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I just bought more physical on the drop... This ride is just getting started. 

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Kina
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And of course the CTFC wont see this blatant take down as corrupt manipulation.

 

Sometimes one hopes for a total crash of the US just for the satisfaction of seeing corrupt regulators dragged out onto the streets.....and dealt with for their betrayal of the US. But I suspect the corrupt bankers would make sure they were 'silenced' before it came to that.

The SEC and CTFC are the banks bitches.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Clark_Griswold ...
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"The SEC and CTFC are the banks bitches."

   a courtesy bitch slap would be much appreciated by viewers.

You know I was ready to take some off the table this am, but couldn't click the button fast enough.  However with this nice littel pull back (SLW down 4%, gdx down 2.70%), if I ever want to have a chance at owning my own Congressman (its all the rage these days you know), today/tomorrows move may be a good time to do a little speculating...

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:07 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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Updated FTSE weekly chart:

http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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The nice thing about being such an undereducated autodidact is that situations like these pose no great quandry of discernment.  The fed has been fucking everyone, is fucking everyone and will continue to fuck everyone.  What is so hard about that since Ben needs a MEDICARE pump try to get it going these days?  What's scary is that Ben is addicted to the promise of blue diamonds and he just doesn't realize that being an ear worm is no great achievement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eplbDbp6XJQ

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:17 | Link to Comment yabyum
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Somehow some where a chumbawumba is smiling.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:19 | Link to Comment MagicHandPuppet
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Gold correction, bitchez!

It's a good thing... I beez wantin' to buys me some mo'!  Where will the bottom be?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Scisco
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Just a thought, maybe the drop in initial claims is throwing a little bit of doubt into QE2?

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:26 | Link to Comment Johrny Bravo
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Smackdown! Next stop, $900

"Goled to 540000 bitchez!!!!  Canned hamz under the porch yo!"

LOL!!!!

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 12:05 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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I see somebody took a chunk outta yo apple.

And your first "n" has depreciated.

You are but a poor imitation.  The real Johnny would have droned on for pages.  He would have started at the top of the comments and worked his way down at least a dozen times before collapsing in total exhaustion.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 12:41 | Link to Comment goldsaver
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Is that you Johny???? Oh no, is an impostor! I miss JB!

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