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Goldline Explains Why It Advertises On Glenn Beck And Laura Ingraham

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Currently the Committee on Energy and Commerce is holding a hearing on H.R. 6149, the “Precious Coins and Bullion Disclosure Act” which presumably has to do with protecting investors from investing in gold or something comparable. Among those giving testimony are Julius A. Bazan, M.D, Lois Greisman, Associate Director, Marketing Practices Division, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commissio, Charles Bell, Programs Director, Consumers Union, Scott Carter, Executive Vice President, Goldline International, and Howard Beales, Ph.D., Associate Professor, School of Business, The George Washington University. Overall it is a snoozer, although we found this part from Scott Carter's testimony interesting, in which the CEO of Goldline who has recently had some unpleasant experiences vis-a-vis his marketing strategy, describes why he advertizes where he does.

Apparently Goldline's advertizing has everything to do with "conservative" listeners willing to diversify into "precious metals": "Currently, the most popular talk radio shows in the United States are hosted by conservative commentators such as Messr. Beck, Levin and Thompson, and Ms. Ingraham. The demographics of these radio programs strongly favor those who are inclined to diversify their portfolios with precious metals. (This is best exemplified by the number of competitors who advertise among these same marketing channels.) The radio hosts themselves share an interest in owning precious metals, an important consideration when deciding where to advertise."

To wit:

The decision on where to advertise is based upon sound business decisions, not political ideology. Currently, the most popular talk radio shows in the United States are hosted by conservative commentators such as Messr. Beck, Levin and Thompson, and Ms. Ingraham. The demographics of these radio programs strongly favor those who are inclined to diversify their portfolios with precious metals. (This is best exemplified by the number of competitors who advertise among these same marketing channels.) The radio hosts themselves share an interest in owning precious metals, an important consideration when deciding where to advertise.

By that same token, Goldline’s choice of advertising is not limited to a narrow political spectrum. Before his untimely death, Goldline’s principal spokesperson was Jay Johnson, a former Mint Director and Democratic Congressman. Mr. Johnson shared a firm belief that precious metals were an important component of a diversified portfolio. Mr. Johnson was also an avid coin collector who wrote and spoke about numismatics.

Goldline also advertises with other major networks including CNBC, History International and CNN. Goldline has advertised with approximately 14 different networks within the past 12 months.

Goldline’s advertising focuses on its most popular products including the Swiss 20 Franc and American Eagle proof coins. All of its advertising is reviewed by outside counsel for compliance with the FTC rules governing truthful advertising. No promises or guarantees of profit are ever made and Goldline consistently advises prospective clients to review Goldline’s risk disclosure materials prior to purchase.

Does this mean that liberals hate gold? It would make for an interesting demographic analysis: party affiliation of those who have been purchasing gold in the past two years. Does that make John Paulson and David Einhorn the biggest republicans in the history of the world?

Full Carter testimony


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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:07 | 600600 homersimpson
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Liberals hate anything that reduces the impact of their Keynesian spending policies. So yes - in this case - Gold is "evil" to them.

Besides - Gold reduces advertising dollars to mass media since the crux of the financial industry is based on paper and a few PCs that are hosted closed to the stock exchange.

Vote Gold party in 2012.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:18 | 600638 midtowng
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Liberals hate gold for the same reason that conservatives hate environmental policies - because the other guy likes it.

It's stupid, knee-jerk reactions and partisans of both parties are equally guilty of it. Neither side steps back and asks the simple question, "Does it make sense?"

It's frustrating when i talk to my liberal friends and try to convince them of the merits of gold. One of them inevitably brings up Glen Beck, as if this guy is the reason to not invest in something. Telling them that I bought gold at least five years before Beck started endorising gold makes no difference to them.

BTW, Goldline is a bunch of predators, and people who buy through them are stupid.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:25 | 600665 hugolp
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Liberals hate gold for the same reason that conservatives hate environmental policies - because the other guy likes it.

Exactly this. Its just insane.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:40 | 600893 LowProfile
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"Liberals hate gold for the same reason that conservatives hate environmental policies - because the other guy likes it."


"Exactly this. Its just insane."


Wait a minute...

I don't hate the current envirionmental policies because Liberals tout them, I hate them because they are mostly based on junk science and the solution (cap and trade) is designed to benefit Wall St. and give government even more control over our lives, while real environmental concerns (e.g. anoxic zones in the Gulf) go unaddressed!

Oh, wait another minute...  You clearly meant NEO-conservatives, not Paleo-Goldwater Conservatives.  My bad.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:44 | 600726 BobWatNorCal
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"Goldline is a bunch of predators"
Who do you like?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:49 | 600745 PuppetRepubl1c
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Goldline are Predators!  Who in their fucking right mind would buy gold coins at 200% smelt value?  They prey on the mentally feeble who do not understand they are getting ripped off.  No intelligent person gives a shit what decorative nonsense is on a gold coin as long as its gold.

I think Gold is a great investment, but anyone who buys these vastly over priced gold coins is a moron!




Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:05 | 600778 VegasBob
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I'm a liberal.  I LOVE gold.  I also support balanced budgets and paying all bills in full and on time.  And I'm no fan of Obamacare.

The point is that not all liberals are insane or fiscally irresponsible, despite the claims of some right-wingers.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:42 | 600900 LowProfile
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You sir, are probably actually a classical Liberal.  Might as well come out of the closet, you Libertarian, you!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:40 | 601381 New_Meat
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Vegas, let me add to LowP's encouragement.  It is really OK, "cleansing breath", you can do it.

Please be independent, look around, make your own choice.

- Ned

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 08:16 | 601873 THE 4th Quadrant
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According to everybody on ZH, gold is going to $5000/oz so who really cares where you buy it and how much you pay for it relative to smelt or spot.

You will make so, so, so much money with gold that your purchase price will be insignificant.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:55 | 600768 firstdivision
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Where's Chris Hansen when you really need him?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:10 | 600815 QEsucks
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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:56 | 600944 midtowng
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Northwest Territorial Mint

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:30 | 601121 zenith191
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I bought Canadian Maples through Goldline last time because they were only $50 above spot whereas my old dealer Kitco was $75. I guess I am stupid.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:03 | 601321 DosZap
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I spoke to Gldline once, and did not like their approach.

It was a turn off.But, not being a total idiot, I do due diligence on everything I purchase of consequence,PM's are just one of them.That said, of the many other Gldlinesque Dealers out there, I have always been hit with bascially the same pitch line, with the difference simply the degree of HARD selling was done on these over priced products.

I have never gone shopping for any product that was a substantial investment, that I was not hit with upscale sales techniques.Most sales people are taught this in  Salesmanship Class 101.They make more commissions, and the company pushes them to do so.

This so called Investigation into Gldlines practices is not about their sales practices, nor techniques.It's an end around attack on the people, on the Conservatives programs they run their ads on.If it were not so, they could haul another four to six PM's dealers before this Sham of a Panel, for the exact same antics of Gldline.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:42 | 601383 New_Meat
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sleazy weiner thing going on.

Grilled some weiners last night, mighty tasty.

- Ned

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:04 | 601713 StychoKiller
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Perhaps these "Liberals" associate gold with "money" and fat-cat bankers, their mortal enemies.  Too bad for them -- they're gonna be the first ones to rat out anyone that does have gold to the Authorities:   "Cause they don't 'deserve' to be richer than anyone else!"

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:35 | 600680 Saxxon
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Doesn't matter which party.  Like gun ownership, opposition enjoys bilateral support since both parties are licking the hands of the Oligarchs.

These cocksuckers are out in force to protect Joe Sixpack from investing in the ONE asset class that has showed resilience and a steady left-to-right upwards chart throughout the foaming mad-cow markets that consecutive Administrations have loosed upon the world, in the past ten years.

It boggles my mind.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:39 | 600704 Joe Sixpack
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Don't worry about me. I'm on Zerohedge and



Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:52 | 600757 Joe Sichs Pach
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Long lost cousin...

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 20:38 | 601292 Cognitive Dissonance
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Twice removed and genetically shortchanged to boot. You changed your last name to protect the innocent Joe I see. :>)

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 22:38 | 601454 aldousd
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I like to call that "wading in the shallow end of the gene pool"

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:09 | 601174 Tell me lies
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I agree. The government is looking for a way to get there hooks in this market. Need more tax revenue!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:22 | 601008 Montgomery Burns
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You mean liberal as in all of the republican administrations over the last 30yrs with their keynesian spending policies? I don't think so. Back to work Simpson.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:10 | 600620 WSP
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Instead of wasting valuable taxpayer money and time investigating the investments in real assets like gold, perhaps these corrupt politicians could spend a little time investigating the corrupt ponzi scheme we call the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury----that is where the real corruption and crimes are taking place as the Federal Reserve loots the masses on a daily basis for the benefit of their corrupt constituents---U.S. Banks.

As for "does this mean that liberals hate gold"?  I don't know if "this means" they hate gold, but I can say that certainly they are going to hate anything that doesn't allow them to "print" and "socialize" at will-----I do think it is safe to say that "progressives" hate gold because progressives hate anything they cannot control and dictate to.  Interesting that progressives tolerate the Federal Reserve given that it operates with NO OVERSIGHT at all.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:20 | 600644 unwashedmass
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horse hocky....beck's viewers among the most easily led === just spend a few minutes and listen to the absolute nonsense he spouts as deep truths...

and...well....where better to find a bunch of people too lazy to find out much about gold and willing to believe the "collectible coins" are worth premiums almost as much as the coin?

where else can you find such easy marks? 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:51 | 600751 PuppetRepubl1c
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exactly, only a true fool would pay 200% smelt value for a fucking coin.  These people are easy marks, i only wish i had started Goldline.  It is like taking ice cream from a 2 yr old!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:05 | 601164 Turd Ferguson
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Unwashed: You and I agree on much...but not this. Would you please cite a few specific examples of the "absolute nonsense" Beck "spouts"? As a "lazy, easily led" listener for over eight years, I'm curious to get your thoughts.

Beck owns coins because coins were not confiscated in the 30s. Beck supports the purchase of gold because he sees the world much the same as most ZHers do. Namely, we sit at the precipice of economic ruin brought on by political over-reliance on Keynesian bullshit.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:19 | 601341 RockyRacoon
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...coins were not confiscated in the 30s

Where did you find that tid-bit?  It's not true.  Gold in any form was called in.

Numismatic coins were exempt to an extent, but common coins were fair game.

I posted a while back the exact coins that were allowed by coin dealers to keep.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 22:05 | 601414 Turd Ferguson
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I stand corrected.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 04:28 | 601752 Red Neck Repugnicant
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(in response to your posts further down this thread)

Dear Turd

Let me guess...   if you mail 10 Kool-Aid proofs of purchase back to Kraft within a 30 day period, you have your choice of three different gifts:

1.  A gigantic yellow hat

2.  A gigantic yellow hat


3.  A gigantic yellow hat 

Obviously, somewhere in that gigantic hat is a multi-pronged Kool-Aid transponder that transmits dozens of Faux News flavored photon beams straight into your cranium. There simply is no other explanation for your Beck-inspired flapdoodle.

For all the proof that you demanded in posts further down this thread, I can refer you to a neat little website called YouTube.  Do a simple search, and you will find hundreds of videos where Beck connects the dots between Obama and Hitler, Obama to the Hamas terrorist organization, Obama to eugenics, Obama to the Muslims, and Obama to nearly every vilified character in world political history.  

It is astonishing to me that you would ask for proof of this.  Truly astonishing. Your brain has been rinsed, laundered, spin-cycled, dried and put on the shelf by the almighty Murdoch propaganda machine.    

If the Hadron collider in Geneva were to smash one Kool Aid crystal with another, I am quite certain that you would instantaneously catch fire - no matter where in the world you were.  

And I apologize that this response is so delayed. Life is to be lived, not typed. 

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 08:04 | 601859 Turd Ferguson
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Ah, yes, good ole youtube. The unabashed source of movie clips, 9/11 conspiracies and UFO sightings. OK, fine.

Mr. RedNeck, please take a few moments to post clips that directly support your assertions, plainly showing in his own words, Beck stating the following:

1) Obama is Hitler

2) Obama supports eugenics

3) Obama is a Muslim terrorist

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:20 | 600645 unwashedmass
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horse hocky....beck's viewers among the most easily led === just spend a few minutes and listen to the absolute nonsense he spouts as deep truths...

and...well....where better to find a bunch of people too lazy to find out much about gold and willing to believe the "collectible coins" are worth premiums almost as much as the coin?

where else can you find such easy marks? 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:27 | 600672 Spitzer
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you might not like the guy but he gets some things right.

Like how Cantor Fitzjarald is a Fed primary dealer and is also a "carbon trader"

Global warming is a fucking scam designed to absorb US dollars, if Beck didnt point that out , I wouldnt know.

from wiki

CantorCO2e environmental brokerage

CantorCO2e, a subsidiary of Cantor, are brokers of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions allowances and reduction credits under the Kyoto Protocol and EU Emission Trading Scheme legislation. CantorCO2e is also active domestically in the US in markets concerned with NOx, SOx, VOC, PM10, CO, and global warming issues and brokerage services related to greenhouse gases, renewable energy, and emissions offsets, and other environmental products.[citation needed]

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:14 | 600739 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Glenn Beck uses bozo-like lunacy and conspiracy theories to sell an agenda of fear, paranoia and mistrust to an extremely gullible audience that is searching for (faux) validation for their anger and hatred. 

Similarly, gold bugs are typically very gullible to conspiracy theories and anything that advocates gloom/doom, mistrust, paranoia, the apocolypse or the end of society.   

Thus, Glenn Beck provides Goldline with a perfect audience for their product.

Plus, there are very few corporations that want to associate themselves with the outrageous lunacy of Glenn Beck - seriously, the guy is a fucking retard who attempts shock-and-awe to grab dumb, narrow-minded viewers.  So the advertising rates are much lower on his show. That's why you'll typically see lots of infomercial style advertisements between segments. 

Gloom/doom/paranoia/mistrust 2012 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:17 | 600834 i.knoknot
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durh... duh... count me in the retard class. gladly. durh....

let us invert the logic, and argue most of mr beck's key points:

 - the government actually *is* effective, efficient, and competent, and is acting in each of our better interests (vs its own).

 - the government and our representatives *do* care what we think, as proven by the fine form letters we keep getting back when we correspond with them

 - the government is fiscally rational, and borrowing from the future is an effective way to get out of a debt crisis.

 - gold is just a metal and one (still) cannot eat it

 - SS/medicare is solvent, the treasury will re-stock the accounts with substantial assets (vs linen w/ wet ink)

 - TARP/TALF/EES/healthcare/fin-reg/etc. are all well-thought pieces of legislation, that were written, read, and completely understood by all of those representatives who voted on each.

 - the SEC is a viable and effective engine of regulation

 - historically, progressives assume that citizens are intelligent and should have the right and ability to manage their own lives and the cosequences of their own actions

 - the current administration is moderately centrist, as are the many appointed cabinet members

 - the current administation has, and continues to, compose itself of folks that believe as i do - e.g. in the wisdom of the founders, the brilliance of the constitution, the strength of the individual, that personal liberties are inherent, not rationed by governments...

 - america is really just an average country and culture, and should start to act that way

 - the current administration has truly delivered on his promise of bi-partisanship and transparency

 - when the current administration asks for alternative inputs and solutions, that it actually listens and considers them

 - the two party system is working like a well-oiled machine

 - the recession actually *is* over, we're just too dumb to see that.

 - the people that caused our problems are best qualified to fix it...

 - amerka is fine, we're worrying too much. the plan is actually working.


you're probably right. i stand corrected. it's better than i thought.

i'll go back to my room now and watch some tele-tubbies - duh durh doh

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:31 | 600870 tmosley
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Excellent post.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:44 | 600908 Upswaller
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+ 25  Can't agree more.  If you research what his team has, you find it's right on the mark.  He sites sources, gives very clear connections.  If one doesn't like what he says, Mr. Beck gets called a "Conspiracy Theorist."  So easy, the strawman argument, appeals best to the simplest of minds.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:39 | 601005 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Your inverted logic is not a fair representation of Glenn Beck's program. 

Beck takes threads of truth, then weaves together a tapestry of total lunacy which is created to instill fear and paranoia. Your inverted logic only addresses the starting point from which Beck begins, not the final product.  

Starting point:  Government is too big. (everyone agrees) 

Glenn Beck Finish Line:  Obama is Hitler

Another example--

Starting point: The merits of government controlled healthcare are dubious, at best (again, everyone agrees)

Glenn Beck Finish Line:  Obama wants to use death panels to kill old people and employ Hitler-style eugenics.

Another example:

Starting point: Obama was born in Kenya and his middle name is Hussein.

Glenn Beck Finish Line:  Obama is a Muslim terrorist who is coverty trying to destroy America and the Christian faith.  

Beck's starting points are typically on solid ground which is how the gullible get lured in to his show. 60 minutes later though, he has connected dots that are so fucking far-fetched and completely slanted toward the Republican agenda, that you have to be a mind-washed paranoid freak to believe it.       


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:54 | 601067 Jack
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I agree with you.  And for all Glenn Beck's "Obama is Hitler" rhetoric, Beck is the one following a more similar historic strategy to Hitler.


Weimar Germany financially failed->There were Jews in the banking system->Blame the Jews.


Demagogue starts from a position of certainty, to implicate unpopular groups and gain popular support.  Really the most rotten kind of populism that eventually breaks Republics that are set up to protect citizenry from the tyranny of the majority.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 00:37 | 601620 Slewburger
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Agree...I really respect Turd's market calls...

But his taste in propaganda mouth pieces could use some work.

Pro bailout, anti Paul 2008.... he is a false leader placed to submarine candidates at the correct time.

Look at what he did for Medina here in Texas, he alone killed her momentum on a national level while everyone was watching. Who was she up against in the primary? Pretty Ricky, a NAFTA globalist, public road selling piece of trash. Hes had Perry on a few times and just loves him... hmmm

A Murdoch media whore, designed to create a blow off valve for a true liberty movement.... He and Palin are there to keep conservatives on the reservation.

He's been riding Alex Jones' coattails for a few years now.

He's as fake as a $3 bill.

Get out of the Left/Right___Blue/Red___NBC/FOX duopoly.


Fri, 09/24/2010 - 05:58 | 601747 i.knoknot
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your arguments are refreshingly specific. bravo. i also noted that particular medina deal - wondered where the hell that came from, and his opinion on Dr. Paul is very limp-wristed at best (i really like Dr. Paul).

contrary to what the original post may imply, GB's no god to me. but i have to ask, which points that i noted do you disagree with? we can't afford to discard these guys so quickly (baby/bath-water, etc.)

while he isn't the greatest, his general message is at *least* a B+ and hugely better than what we're seeing happen now in the rest of the 'owned' media. he cherry-picks, exaggerates, sarcastic, etc. all wrapped around a scary trend worth hearing.

i also think he's really interested in preserving (his image of) the original america, not controlling any party or movement. he repeatedly insists that they both suck. look at at 8/28 - the speech was pretty simple and clear. "look forward and fix it, stop the bickering, guys"

is he bought and paid for? i don't think he has to be - seriously. i'm sure their opinions overlap enough that they don't have to.

lastly, you'll note that i intentionally do not reference (+/-) any party. i believe in issues, and am certain that the current party system is a masterful ruse to keep folks like us distracted from issues.

you don't have to like GB, but don't get sucked into their game. if we do, we all lose.

Sat, 09/25/2010 - 01:26 | 604080 Slewburger
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i really like Dr. Paul


contrary to what the original post may imply, GB's no god to me. but i have to ask, which points that i noted do you disagree with? we can't afford to discard these guys so quickly (baby/bath-water, etc.)

I wouldn't say I disagree with the inverted logic points, but after some study these points are obvious, the deficit spending, liabilities, politicians being pieces of garbage etc.

Don't get me wrong, Beck has been good for the American people short term. The issue is the spoonfeeding approach. And while maybe not to you he is a demigod to some, by virtue of being on ZH I would assume you are aware, but that does not make you awake.

Beck uses a presentation style similar to teaching, putting viewers in a relaxed mental state, they accept the information they are being given as fact. Beck works so hard to gain his viewers trust so they can accept his truth.

Case #1

Beck goes on Fox's early morning show temping viewers to tune in later in the day for his juicy FEMA camp story. He believes he can't debunk them. Here I believe he is genuine. The episode that evening is the last one I can remember watching.

Upon getting a call (assuming), he pulls a complete reversal on his show and says , don't worry about this... Look its the Popular Mechanics guy, he has credibility because I saw him on Beck before. Right?? Look into it, I'm not joking.

Case #2

Beck goes onto Bill O'Reilly (from Inside Edition) pimping taxation.... Beck is pro VAT

I could go on and on about Beck anomalies....

What bothers me is Beck is insistent viewers watch daily, he does not encourage self research, instead he presents the truth to you. You accept it, he presents the next piece.

Now when you see an alternative view point in your daily life you easily dismiss it because you have already been enlightened by Heir Beck. Your mind has already been made for you. You have been predicatively programmed.

I know this because I was a regular Beck viewer. He is great for opening people's eyes, but he does not wake them up. For someone to truly wake up they have to learn on their own, pretty hard when they tune in everyday after work.

So when Beck tells them that a VAT is good for austerity and budget balancing.... Beck listeners parrot the statement and feel correct in their logic. However if you ask them about political ideologies they would say they are conservative or liberterian.

Beck is a self proclaimed libertarian, taxation is not freedom, its slavery.



Sun, 09/26/2010 - 19:36 | 606142 i.knoknot
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Slewburger - i really appreciate your real-world examples. as i said, i consciously consider *any* point-of-view if substantiated.

i suppose my biggest gripe that started this thread was the broad-stroke rejection of GB with no substance or credit for him having any value at all. it was too black or white. i really trigger on categoric statements these days.

so, while your specific examples don't compel me to categorically reject him, nobody's would.

it could be argued that your stated rejection of GB (because he betrayed us with his hidden agenda(s)) is *just* as dangerous as those who would dogmatically believe everything he says without question. (i believe that was a point you were making as well). having read many of your other ZH comments, i would assume that you are more apt to take most things at face value than you imply in your claimed rejection of GB. i believe there are many (MSM) who try to cherry-pick flaws in their targets to accomplish this same rejection as a matter of course. it is tough to keep the focus on the message and these folks know that.

GB is one of *many* sources that i consider in the management of  my perspectives.

by virtue of having "the microphone" in their hands, i always assume that they *all* have an agenda. usually that agenda is not completely aligned with mine. i *am* (mostly) awake, as i both understand this fact and having the tools to manage it.

e.g. i don't much like ed schulze, but i listen to him for his view, and often can't argue some of his positions. stephanie miller cracks me up, and confuses me with her obvious intelligence/wit and bent ideologies - in the same breath. despite my core bias/resistance, i learn from her too. i get all of these characters 2-3 times a week on the various mediums i happen to be exposed to, although i prefer to hear more of what i agree with, i'll often suffer the 'opposition' to broaden my perspective.

the difference for me, is that, regardless how much i seek vindication of my views (a human trait), i feel i *must* consider all sides if i want to have a chance to rise above the pervasive dogma. i don't care to be better than anyone, i merely want to be able to justify my positions, relative to the ever-present trade-offs. "because it feels right" isn't good enough for me anymore. in fact, i believe that what "feels good" today can be easily affected by those who would want to do so.

some specifics, fwiw:

i recall nodding in the negative on the VAT thing too. ("uh uh, i don't *think* so, mr beck...")

i also believe that a third-party might be the only way out of this muck (and no, the tea-party isn't it, but rather it is buried in the tea-party). most right-bent personalities are adamantly against that choice (rush, GB, hannity, etc.). are they sincere, or bought by the repubs? i dunno. but i ask. am i awake?

my current litmus-test is something along the lines of:

  is this proposed change (policy, etc.) helping me to be left-the-f**k-alone? or is it merely another shackle on my ankles under the guise of "we're here to help/protect you"

i was born with certain rights. governments nor gods have anything to do with them. GB *helped* me realize that. clearly, others don't really like that idea at all.

appreciating the conversation - cheers.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 01:24 | 614699 Slewburger
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I totally agree with the observation of taking things at face value. With the flow of information more like a fire hose than a water fountain; dismissing people and information has become routine. My commenting is really more of a stick and move strategy.

I tend to try and reach out to those most likely to 'get it'. Beck viewers are worth talking to because they are almost there, and they are hungry for the knowledge.  I feel as if they keep tuning in because they know they are almost there, they just don't realize which pieces of the puzzle are missing.

Now before you dismiss me for being judgemental...I wouldn't make a statement like that without some thought, or experience. For instance I've had personal experience with coworkers that follow him, and they have been seething fans of Beck, borderline blind parrots. I was afraid you were one of them. I mean; do you know very many other media hosts who could convince listeners to travel to DC?

So my point is, using Beck as a part of a balanced diet as you have; is a exception. Diversification is key. Putting your faith in a single person is asking to be let down or led astray. I personally believe Beck is the Pied Piper and will safely deliver all of the rats to Palin, just in time for '12. Any organic opposition will be discredited or outright ignored as shown above.

You obviously get that. And I would have said it if you hadn't beat me to the punch regarding the tea party, spot on.

I think your point of view is consistent with mine. Challenging yourself by listening to dissenting opinions is the best way to really make sure you truly understand an issue. For instance I watch Bill Maher, I don't agree with 25% of what he says but it forces me to think outside of an echo chamber. An added benefit is learning what makes different views tick, which is essential when communicating the universal concept of liberty.

In my opinion, being awake is like being full. Nobody can tell you that you are, you have to know. Funny, I highly doubt I just came up with that. Seriously now, from a friend to another

If you don't already feel full, that's a solid serving of meat and potatoes.


Thu, 09/30/2010 - 02:48 | 614794 i.knoknot
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if we can gently teach our kids (and peers) to 'look both ways' before crossing the road, we may have hope yet.

i only wish we were all as truly aware as we think we are.

tnx for the chat. it really helps when one *has* to be able to carry his/her opinion beyond the simple one-liners.

too much time in ZH lately, but i think there's a hidden benefit and certainly a bit of theraputic value. it's hard to manage that mess out there :^)

cheers to you. (btw, that link is just nuts. "we're friggin doomed" - magambo guru)

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:22 | 601187 Turd Ferguson
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Wrong. If anyone misrepresents anything, it is you.

When, exactly, has Beck claimed "Obama is Hitler". Please search Media Matters and Huff Post to your heart's desire. Show me the clip.

There are, in fact, references to "cost/benefit analyses of rationed health care" in the new system. Once I finish reading the entire, 2000-page monstrosity, I'll cite chapter and verse for you. The term "death panels" is a political overstatement meant to get attention but the language is, most definitely, there. Additionally, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid et al are all self-proclaimed progressives. It was the early 20th century progressives who brought us eugenics. This is not a long walk to connect the two.

Beck has never, ever inferred that Obama is trying to destroy Christianity in America. The progressive movement has tried to utilize churches to advance their agenda through the innocuous-sounding term "social justice". This is quite clear. Again, find for me specific clips where Beck calls the president a "muslim terrorist trying to destroy America". If he has, you'll certainly be able to find it through a few keystrokes accessing Media Matters or the Huffington Post.

I'll be waiting to hear from you. 


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:27 | 601200 Dolar in a vortex
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Save your keystrokes for someone who has a mind to open.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:07 | 601327 Turd Ferguson
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Good point. I just get worked up when I read douchebags spout HuffPost talking points without any substantiation. They claim independent/libertarians such as myself to be brainwashed, adol minded robots when it is they who fit that mold.

At any rate, I have personally met Glenn a few times. He is a decent, honorable guy. Nothing like the cartoon character the msm portrays him as. I will defend him every time.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:24 | 601353 DosZap
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Beck said it ONE time, and apologized for it.

The people who run him down, never watch, listen, and digest what he's said, done, or doing.

Just like the Lamestream media...................

I know of NO ONE person that has brought more real American History to light, than he has,

He's nailed every Progressives ass to the wall and gave point after point as to why they were and what they did.

He's had a phone installed for at least a year, begging the people he's accused to call and dare and refute him with facts.

They won't, because he's nailed it.It's not hard to follow him, if you already know what he says is the truth.

He's outed every radical in Barrys A Team, and all the SOROS funded socialistas,the Union thugs,and the programs they represent.

Hitlers dead, so Barry can't be Hitler..............little doubt there.

But, 95% of everything else he's talked about, has been dead on.......

His audience WAS for the Sheeple,the only one besides Limbaugh.

But, thanks to him he woke up a hell of a lot of J6P's in America.

His ratings are 3 million + viewers a day, at 5:00 p.m. EST,so no one watches or listens...............

I do not follow him on a daily basis, I did until I figured out he did his homework. He's not a racist, or a bigot, nor a fool................

Watch him,listen, with an open mind, and judge him on the facts.

His guests are all idiots and rednecks too,to all who never listen but prefer to Judge unfairly instead.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:43 | 601388 Turd Ferguson
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Dos: Well said. And I want to emphasize this. Glenn and I are not personal friends. It's not like we hang out and/or trade xmas cards. However, in the times I've been around him, I've found him to be a candid, honest, reasonable man. He is a 21st Century, Hitchcockian (is that a word?) "ordinary man caught in extraordinary circumstances". I asked him once what I could do for him. He simply replied: "pray for me".

Now, I'm just a regular guy but I consider myself a pretty good judge of character after 44 years upon this earth. I'm confident in my assessment of Glenn and his motivations. The folks I question are like Red Neck and others in this thread. They openly characterize and criticize a man they've never met based solely upon the opinions of others. A sad commentary on the state of social discourse and education in our country. 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 20:46 | 601304 undereducated
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Your wrong.  Bill Gates wants the death panels.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:50 | 601064 Spitzer
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keep buyin those treasuries....

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:23 | 601173 Turd Ferguson
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Again, since I am someone who is "gullible and searching for validation for my anger and hatred", I ask you to please provide specific examples of Beck using "conspiracy theories to sell an agenda". Please cite:

1) specific conspiracy theories you've heard him promote

2) his purported "agenda"

3) how #1 and #2 relate

Thank you. I look forward to your reasoned and rational response.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:27 | 601357 RockyRacoon
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Is it okay if I don't like him because he seems to be an unctuous little guy looking for some lovin' from the "common man".  No proof needed for an opinion based on nothing but watching him for years.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 06:03 | 601673 i.knoknot
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i'll buy that as a reasoned personal critique. style-wise i begrudgingly agree. and, i feel he assumes way to much of a relationship between conservatives and religion. i think that's calculated pandering. but it really rubs me wrong when he goes all specific in the religious direction (i'm a devout agnostic zealot :^)

but he's on the money regarding most of the above points that nobody has yet bothered to challenge with substance.

take the messenger away and "the message" still stands on its own merits. more important, the the detractors *cannot* disprove the man, as his points are by-and-large audit-able. it just kills them.

yet they attack him with cherry-picked tidbits. maybe he was into witchcraft too... (i know, this goes both ways too - he's actually *the master* cherry picker)

i see mr limbaugh as being excessively smug, yet, hard as it is for me to get by that, if one *can* unspin the message a bit, there's also a *lot* worth considering.

i also listen to shrill ed schultz to unspin smug mr limbaugh, and start to get an idea what really happens each day. the contrast is rather unsettling. (i happen to catch each of 'em to/from work - on some days it's just too much: pop in a CD...)

i have found a great many bright friends will spew the MSM/huffpo talking points re: GB, having auditably *no idea* what *he* is saying. they've never watched him. and so it goes with *all* of their "competitors". same w/ palin, mcdonnell ad nauseum. few folks bother to listen/read the opinions from the source. we trust our info-distillers, and now this is what we've got. sigh.

left/right/middle, that durned media machine is some powerful evil, especially when what's being broadcast is audit-ably wrong.

i expect nobody to "like" a person given his/her style, but a well documented truth should transcend any messenger.

but then, what glenn beck loving retard believes he's actually a retard... (see this for some fun reading... :^)

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:09 | 601716 StychoKiller
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Glenn Beck uses bozo-like lunacy and conspiracy theories to sell an agenda of fear, paranoia and mistrust to an extremely gullible audience that is searching for (faux) validation for their anger and hatred. 

Similarly, gold bugs are typically very gullible to conspiracy theories and anything that advocates gloom/doom, mistrust, paranoia, the apocolypse or the end of society.

Guess that means the folks that read this site are also Glenn Beck supporters as well!  Check your premises.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:10 | 600621 InconvenientCou...
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I wonder which "media channel" buys the most  "collector grade" material.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:10 | 600623 Dolar in a vortex
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Advertising to your target audience!

What will they think of next?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:25 | 600664 Dr. Richard Head
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Who'd thunk it indeed.

You don't see advertisers during Oprah's time slot hawking Maseratis now do you?  Of course not.  Yeast infection cures and donuts baby. 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:57 | 600772 docj
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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:16 | 600635 goldmiddelfinger
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AAPL going red after being plus FIVE. Funny

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:22 | 600656 traderjoe
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Could be a nice outside reversal day for some nifty-fifty type 52-week high-flyers. LVS turned down nicely... 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:28 | 600675 goldmiddelfinger
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Got to exit before the quarter end unless you're playing the books. AMZN EDU GOOG CRM yada yada

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:27 | 600671 homersimpson
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Meanwhile I'd like to talk to the scrub who is proppin' up ^NDX .. in a dark alley..

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:19 | 600642 firstdivision
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If there was anyone that it should be legal to punch in the face, Glenn Beck would be top of that list followed by Keith Oberman.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:25 | 600660 PlausibleDenial
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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:57 | 600774 firstdivision
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I love the junks from people that idolize these f'tards.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:26 | 601112 Abigail Adams
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I junked you. You're mean. Are you Johnny Bravo?

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 01:01 | 601641 Calmyourself
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I junked you.  You do not use reason to convince me of the primacy of punching either person or intelligibly argue any points, you blurt.  My eight year old blurts.  People who read Huffpo and DKos blurt, it is high level discourse on those sites, so stop blurting, start thinking.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:20 | 600649 Godot
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Uh, dude, what it means is -- if they have been buying gold either since 9/11/2001 or 10/1/2008 --  that conservatives are smarter.  A conclusion that is consistent with other available data.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:54 | 600760 Saxxon
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+1 Godot. Funny how that works.  As Ed Seykota pointed out (Market Wizards) a lot of people are not in the market in order to make money.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:56 | 600769 PuppetRepubl1c
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People who have been buying gold are indeed smart, however people who pay for these over priced coins from Goldline are true morons.  Why anyone would ever pay such a high premium over smelt value is beyond me.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 20:53 | 601308 undereducated
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so what, per say, do we do with the lower 4 quintile?  If you know you are getting screwed but you don't quite have the education or worldliness to quantify and qualify, obviously your opinion is moot.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:31 | 601362 RockyRacoon
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Melt, it's melt value.  Thank you.  Unless you are doing something with fish.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:14 | 601719 StychoKiller
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Or steel!  Steel gets smelted too.

Sat, 09/25/2010 - 22:01 | 604910 RockyRacoon
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Smelting is removing the metal from its ores.  Not just heating enough to MELT.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:22 | 600653 williambanzai7
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These hard hitting investigations are just the kind of thing that will chaperone the Dems to their graves in Palookaville.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:24 | 600659 carbonmutant
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Damn the GOP is buying gold... what will they think of next?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:27 | 600667 Restcase
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The only interesting question, which the hearings may miss, is whether buyers through this medium are "stupid money" paying unreal premiums. The gold prices are not mentioned in the ads, not fixed, not in relation to spot, but I notice Morgan silver dollars being sold through talk radio priced (at least) as if one Morgan = one oz .999 pure silver. Hasn't happened in a few years, but Franklin Mint also used to peddle "collectibles" via talk radio.

On the other hand, ScottTrade and other venues for day trading were a mainstay of talk radio during dotcom 1.0.

And as long as we're on the subject of talk and news radio advertising, when i moved to DC in 2002 there were three ads in heavy rotation here: Humm-Vs, diamonds, and Viagra.

No hearings to look into that, however.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:16 | 601720 StychoKiller
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I wish these foolish congress folks would "investigate" some real shysters:, for example.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:26 | 600669 pocwave
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Who cares about the advertising. The Precious coins and Bullion disclosure act sounds like the gov't request for people to send in their address and holding information. Don't want the Men in Black to waste time going door to door, or waiting for your neighbor to dime you out, when they come to confiscate it all.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:28 | 600674 saladbarbeef
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I think a better explanation of Goldline advertising on Glenn Beck is their ties to the CIA.




Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:28 | 600676 demsco
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Liberals are dumb, frankly, and think the government is always doing the right thing. So, yeah, they are less inclined to buy gold from my lens. After all, liberals are the ones who pushed to expand Freddie and Fannie, remember??

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:39 | 600703 Dr. Richard Head
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To the left, left, left, right, left.....

Liberals versus conservatives, donkey vs. elephants.  It's a show baby.  Name one difference between the Bush administration's expansion of government from the Obama administration's expansion of government.  The left vs. right debate is a play to divide us. 

Just look at the last election.  McCain or Obama?  They agree fundamentally on the most important policy aspects.  Gays in the military, abortion, all of that shit is a distraction.

More people agree on more things than most people's realities will allow for them to see.  It's the damn idiot box that makes us focus on the 3-5% of differences we all have.

You will figure it out soon though.  Give it some time.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:22 | 601107 goldsaver
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Name one difference between the Bush administration's expansion of government from the Obama administration's expansion of government.



Thu, 09/23/2010 - 22:53 | 601472 Arseclown
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PLEASE don't mistake republicans for conservatives. 

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:18 | 601721 StychoKiller
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Even fruit flies can see differences.  Ya need a working brain to see what we have in common!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:36 | 600694 michael.suede
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Liberals have blind faith in government institutions.

If one has blind faith in government institutions, why would the person ever bother to invest in precious metals?



Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:42 | 600714 pocwave
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The whole liberal/conservative charade is past due. We have two political parties. If we had just one then the bribery would be too obvious to ignore. If we had three that would represent a 33% profit loss for each party. The reason the democrats wear blue and the republicans wear grey is simply so that the lobbyists running through the halls with bags of money can tell them apart. The political machine has ingeniously turned the people against themselves to provide the illusion that there is any functional difference. Liberals waste money trying to get lazy people to not be lazy and the conservatives waste money and lives blowing people up.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:46 | 600916 Confused
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Why did you get junked? Seems like a reasonable statement.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:36 | 601373 RockyRacoon
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It was someone who has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:21 | 601106 Shameful
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I've been saying this for years.  If the Politburo in the Soviet Union would have had the foresight to have 2 illusion parties instead of the one party in the open they would still be around today.  It's an ever evolving game of fooling the suckers, the general populace.  There is nothing they won't believe as long as a thread of truth is spun in and its wrap it in emotion.

Watch, if the USA is still together in 2014-2016 the same charade will be played out again.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 20:59 | 601316 undereducated
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My question is why doesn't this argument have any traction.  I was going to the rawstory website for a month and thought it was a libertarian site until I ran into an obviously progressive boondoggle.  It's always fringe arguments from both sides, like the ridiculous DADT filibuster, that keep the 70% congruence from coming to fruition.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:58 | 600720 Jack
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<- Liberal

<- Buys gold (although not from Goldline, lol)


The mathematics of bankruptcy doesn't care about partisan arguments.


Left/right misses the point anyways.  Cutting taxes or increasing spending is all short term deficit stimulus in the end, and that really is all they have as far as economic theory goes.  It just serves to divide the public while the real argument is who gets the actual stuff when all this paper unwinds through whatever form the de facto bankruptcy takes.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:08 | 600804 What_Me_Worry
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I figured the only liberals here were to see what the enemy has found out about their ponzi schemes.

To buy gold for yourself and at the same time be a liberal in our current state seems like you realize that the liberal agenda is complete BS and you are going to make sure you CYA.

A true liberal would put his/her full faith in the state always providing for their well-being.  Free yourself of barbaric relics and accept Obama as your personal lord and savior.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:16 | 600837 wafflehead
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lol you nailed on the head brother. Almost all the liberals i talked to have no idea what deficit spending means... their just are happy that they opened a 401k account.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:22 | 600847 Jack
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You're clearly the authority on what it means to be a 'true' liberal.  I guess I must have no self awareness or something.


I don't know how you can not notice that conservatives share a huge amount of the blame here, and somehow unsustainable deficits equate to liberal policies, when conservatives have been running them as well.  Apparently we've been on a 'BS Liberal Agenda' for 30 years with 3 Republican administrations.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:38 | 600887 tmosley
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Neo-conservatives, or "new conservatives" were liberals who fled the Democratic party and succeeded in changing the Republican party from a conservative one to a liberal one.  Witness the distinct lack of change between the Bush and Obama administrations.  EVERYTHING should have changed, if Obama were really politically distinct from Bush.  But he isn't.  Bush was a liberal of the highest order.  He was just a "mean" one, in that he demands social control as well as economical and military.  The Dems have drifted that way since Clinton left office as well.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:50 | 600919 Jack
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Lol, I guess people will believe what they want to believe.  Neo-cons were actually political corporatists who smoked Democrats in fundraising.  Forcing Democrats to abandon social justice issues in favor of business friendly positions.  That's why the parties are so similar, because they all cater to lobbying interests over public interests.

We're not becoming socialist, we're crony capitalists.  And crony capitalism isn't "more capitalist", it's very antithetical to capitalist principles.  Markets are not business friendly by nature- true competition is inherently business unfriendly- innovate to provide value consumers or die.  This argument you guys make (ahhh commies are business unfriendly) seems to be conditioned into people from decades through the Cold War, to the point that people don't even see the inconsistencies anymore.

But like I said, people will believe what they want to believe.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 08:54 | 601962 tmosley
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Are you implying that communism is "business friendly"?

And no, crony capitalism is not business friendly, and is only a step away from communism.  It is also a product of liberal policy (ie ever expanding government influence and power).  If you guys hadn't made government so large and powerful, businesses wouldn't feel the need to bribe politicians to protect their interests.

All forms of socialism have the same endpoint--death of the affected economy.  Whether it is National Socialism, Communism, "Business-friendly" Socialism, or your local friendly hippie commune.  Each and every type corrupts the market and encourages waste.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:44 | 600907 Burnbright
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As far as I am concerned Liberal is interchangeable with Conservative, and neither of these ideals is represented by democrats or republicans.

To clarify for everyone sense this is a hot button issue for people. 

Liberals are not Democrats, Conservatives are not Republicans. Who knew that believing in free markets and and the right to ownership is actually Liberal, or that retaining your rights such as free speech, the right to bare arms, or the rule of law is conservative. 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:43 | 600903 Confused
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A true _______ would put his/her full faith in the _____ always providing for their well-being.  Free yourself of barbaric relics and accept _______ as your personal lord and savior.


Funny how this works for both liberals and conservatives alike. Just substitute whatever nonsense you hold to be "true." 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:07 | 600802 wafflehead
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Glenn Beck brings a piece of ZeroHedge to the mainstream media. Some of the things i learned here were also talked about on the show. Go Fox!!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:08 | 600806 mrgneiss
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About Goldline - buyer beware, period.  The government can't hold morons hands everywhere all the time.  They're doing nothing wrong.  Fuck, people pay $10K for a Hermes handbag that costs $50 to make, are we going to go after them?  People pay $50 grand for a watch that costs maybe 2 grand with the nice crystals to make, are we going to go after them?

Now what I really wanted to talk about:

Gartman is getting back into gold!!!!! Shit!!  He always top times it!

Give the current PM rally two, three weeks max before we get a few weeks of mild correction.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:41 | 601382 RockyRacoon
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Difference between the high-priced do-dads you mentioned and the Goldline sales team: The Gucci folks don't sell things with a promise of their products being a good "investment".   Buying gold should not be an investment anyhow.  Goldline uses scare tactics and promises to sell their stuff... in general.  One can make a good buy from them but they won't call you every day because you are no longer on the "mark" list.

Thanks for the Garman contrary indicator.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:10 | 600814 carlosschw
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The Irish may be down, but don't count them out yet. We may have Ben with the printing press / helicopter technology watching our back, but I think I can remember a few years back watching an animated documentary on Irish technology involving Leprechauns and rainbows that we should watch out for.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:27 | 600860 Id fight Gandhi
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Where can you buy physical gold that doesn't rip you off?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:33 | 600876 wafflehead
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ill sell you a gold chain with about 3.3 ounces of pure gold at market price

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:33 | 600877 Jack
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I like APMEX.  ~$30 premium on 1 oz coins is better than ~90% premium.  YMMV.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:54 | 600940 TheClub55
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Yep just checked GL, selling Krugerrands for $81 over spot and eagles for $96... what an effen rip-off. The coin dealer in my down is alway under $50 and usually in the mid $30s. 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:07 | 600970 PuppetRepubl1c
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The rip-off is the entire point of Goldline, it is how they make such great profits.  They sell to people based on fear, not investors based on spot prices and expected future values.  They are just con-men who can get away with this because they sell "collectibles" and not "investments".

If an investment advisor tried to sell you 1 share of Microsoft for 200% market value they would be put in prison.  These people are no different, just exploiting a loophole to make a profit.





Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:42 | 601049 Calculated_Risk
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Local coin store if you have one.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:42 | 601385 RockyRacoon
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...unless they charge a sales tax.  That just adds to the base price.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:26 | 601111 Shameful
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Best price I found for the metal is Tulving, and they toss in shipping.  Big minimum orders but they are a class act and i love to order for them when I stumble into enough money.  California Numismatic (CNI) is rock solid and I order most of the time through them, reasonable premiums and they toss in shipping on orders past 2k (I buy two Phillies at a time).  APMEX has a great website an a load of options, little pricier and have to eat shipping but it's a dream to order online through them.  There might be others but I'm quite happy with those 3.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:41 | 600897 Willie McVoid
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Methinks this guy is on the wrong website if "conspiracy theories and anything that advocates gloom/doom, mistrust, paranoia, the apocolypse or the end of society." offends him. Get back to CNBC where you belong.


An unnapologetic and profitable "goldbug" 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:48 | 600923 Upswaller
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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:58 | 600939 sbenard
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This is a political witch hunt intended to intimidate, and if necessary, silence, Obama's political opponents. It reveals something fundamental about Anthony Weiner and the other progressives, including Obama who are behind it. It substantiates the tyrannical natures of them, confirming the very things their political gadflies have been saying about them.

Glenn Beck never puts anything on air that he can't prove. 100% of the things he presents are audio or video tapes, or written documents by Obama and his czars about their radical views and objectives. They are their own words; Beck doesn't make any of them up, contrary to what progressives claim.

The objectives of these progressives are consistently at odds with the US Constitution, with personal liberty, free enterprise, and historical Christianity.They hate all of these.

I have a personal acquaintance who grew up among these radicals, but who left because he felt that their goal of an global elitist socialist dictatorship were immoral and destructive of freedom. His grandfather is literally the head of this group. This family is one of the world's wealthiest, and their name has been prominent in the world of finance and central banking for generations. He has explicitly told me that their goal is to destroy the Dollar, the US economy, and the US Constitution. They hate the Constitution because it gives everyone a voice and rights. They believe that they have a right to rule because of their financial and itellectual accomplishments. Some, not all, of them, practice a secret religion called Luciferianism. My acquaintance's relative is the world-wide "prophet" of this religion, and this relative inducted him personally into its secret practices. He also assured me that his relative "controls the Fed 100%" (his words, not mine).

This is not a conpiracy theory. This is a conspiracy fact. This is a man who I have met with face to face and who knows of these things from his own personal experience.

Anyone who values their freedom should be listening to Glenn Beck and some of these other pundits every day. He is the only person with the courage to expose the people and the agenda behind Barack Obama. BO is only the figurehead behind the real agenda.

Congressman Anthony Weiner is now beginning this political witch hunt with a nefariously overt attempt to intimidate and silence those who have the courage to expose their true agenda. For this reason alone, anyone who values their freedom should be listening to what Beck, Levin, and the others have to say.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:03 | 600959 PuppetRepubl1c
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"Some, not all, of them, practice a secret religion called Luciferianism. My acquaintance's relative is the world-wide "prophet" of this religion, and this relative inducted him personally into its secret practices. He also assured me that his relative "controls the Fed 100%" (his words, not mine).

This is not a compricacy theory. This is a conspiracy fact. This is a man who I have met with face to face and who knows of these things from his own personal experience."


do you have any idea how rediculous you sound? "an acquintance's relative"?  Was it Kevin Bacon?  This is internet conspiracy at its most insane.  As evil as i believe the Federal Reserve system is it takes a real nutjob to believe it is actually run by Lucifer himself.


Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:29 | 601728 StychoKiller
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As evil as i believe the Federal Reserve system is it takes a real nutjob to believe it is actually run by Lucifer himself.

Read much?  He stated that someone "believes in Luciferianism."

Everyone knows that Lucifer is really Gene Simmons! :>D

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:45 | 601392 RockyRacoon
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It was all nice and cozy under that rock. Why did you crawl out?

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 04:22 | 601750 i.knoknot
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so... he's not the most compelling spokesman for my 'hero' then, is he... (?)



Thu, 09/23/2010 - 23:55 | 601566 moneymutt
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it sounds like these liberals are completely in league with the incredibly conservative Koch brothers

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:15 | 601100 Id fight Gandhi
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Can you get a jewler to smelt down scrap gold that people off the streets bring in for cash into a coin or something?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:38 | 601128 goldsaver
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Not a coin, that would be counterfeiting (Are you listening Bernwanker?), but a round would be fine. The problem is that you can not prove the purity after melt without a kit. You have 2 options. Keep it as is. You can sell it by the gram if you need to buy some food in a couple of years (you CAN eat gold). Or, you can sell it too a gold place and buy some eagles from a dealer (he might trade you directly). You will loose about 30 percent, but will have an easily redeemable form of GOLD.

/goldfinger voice on


/goldfinger voice off

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:47 | 601397 RockyRacoon
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That would be melting, not smelting.  And you'd be best selling scrap for whatever you can get from a reputable buyer and buy what you want.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:25 | 601108 sangell
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That's the third time so far you've made the same point and it wasn't profound to begin with!

Remind me again to never read the comments on this forum where gold and politics enter. It  becomes a fools forum.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:27 | 601114 sangell
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oh that was meant for puppetrepublic and his smelt.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:08 | 601328 PuppetRepubl1c
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Perhaps i posted too many times, i had some free time.  It wasn't meant to be profound.  I am just amazed people don't realize how the scam works.  Probably more people on this board know than the general public though.



Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:48 | 601398 RockyRacoon
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We get it.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:29 | 601119 Shameful
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Yeah the markup on goldline is full on retarded.  But suckers have been fleeced since trade began.  If they want to regulate this why can't I get a similar warning on exotic investment vehices that takes a team of phyic and math PH.D. from MIT to dream up?  I expect goldline is the whipping boy and their real target is the quality dealers, can't ban gold but can make sellign to the US cattle a hell fo a lot harder.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 00:17 | 601579 moneymutt
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you suspect? I saw Weiner saying exact opposite, he didn't know if gold was good investment or not, but he said this org was a rip off, charging way way above market price for gold...could it possibly, just possibly be they are a complete rip off and that was what they were concerned about.

take a look at case histories of well-policed markets, they tend to be quite competive because people trust the market and the participants compete on value and price, not on who can be most deceptive and who can fleece people the most. Isn't a big ZH complaint that stock market is totally rigged, and is not properly policed by SEC etc...instead crony insiders get over, lie cheat, rig, and regular people flee the market. If govt did its policing of Wall Street we might have the decent market that attracted the rest of the world, once opun a time when it was percieved to be the most transparent, least corrupt stock market.

Why shouldn't congress have hearings to consider the idea of rooting out such fraud? What is exactly the right policy is a good question and maybe its just requiring a few simple, bold print disclosures to consumer, like how much over the spot price of gold their product is..., but to stand back and let companies do whatever they want, without any policing or investigation at all, in my mind, that's essentially financial anarchy and makes as much sense as not having any local police on main street, and I think we know where financial anarachy ends...that's exactly what the derivatives market was, no govt oversight, crony insiders doing whatever they wanted...and that worked out real well til Sept 2008/

If govt does take power to represent people and police public spaces and markets with the idea of doing most good for most people, for the commonwealht, if govt is instead weak, does not enforce peoples will, then some one else will grab power. A corrupt govt is bad, but no govt is also bad, as in either case similar thugs and parasites take over economy, shut it down and just suck blood. We need clean govt interested in representing interests of the whole, not a govt beholded to just few interests, or not govt so just a few interests run everything in the absence of people power.

Even freaking Adam Smith knew we had to police markets to keep them free and fair and competitive, he knew the second we turned our back on companies, they would collude to rip off consumers

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:34 | 601731 StychoKiller
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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:31 | 601124 Joaquin
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What?!? I'm a liberal who like Gold and Guns.  Your typical gun totin' liberal.  Please don't generalize.  

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:51 | 601233 digalert
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This is a Weiner witch hunt by a democrat intent on destroying free market capitalism and protecting his ignorant liberal, progressive base. Weiner says "yes Goldline has 'A' ranking with the BBB, but they've had 15 complaints since 2006. Well blow me down, probably complaints came from his idiot constituents.

This same dick Weiner believes "Bernanke we trust" mantra. Beck on the other hand says the financial stability of US currency is in danger by reckless policy. If you have trust in Bernanke or the whole Barama regime, you're on the wrong page.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 23:04 | 601480 grunk
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The only safe investments are  in U.S. Treasuries and mortgage backed securities.


And roulette wheels.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 23:51 | 601557 moneymutt
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oh please, did anyone bother to see shat the hearings were about...not about whether gold a good invesment or not, but about the incredible rip off these guys coins are...people who buy thru them better hope gold keeps going up at rate it has been if they are ever to see all their money back...Mish is pro gold, he does not send his readers to a rip-off. They were not investigating any gold sellers, just the ones that prey on people.

Either glenn beck's gold sellers are legit and provide competitive value in the market or they don't, if the provided good value, didn't rely on deception, there would be no basis to the criticism and they could easily withstand the scrutiny. One of their investors bought gold coins from them for $160, and after gold price went up, they he found coins only worth 80k ton buy back.

Why is everyone so unwiling to be skeptical and critical of their side of partisan aisle, like only Dems or only Repubs can be corrupt, sell outs....both sides have liars, cheats, sell outs, and both sides have people sincerely and only interested in helping fellow citizen and serving country.....I'm assuming people can figure out which category Beck  and his incredible bad value gold seller belongs in..but from the comment here, I guess if someone expresses a similar political ideology to you they can do no wrong and Beck is really an unselfish patriot...tell me how the works out for you all

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 01:58 | 601677 blunderdog
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Why is everyone so unwiling to be skeptical and critical of their side of partisan aisle,

Um...because that's what makes them partisans?


Fri, 09/24/2010 - 02:37 | 601701 moneymutt
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I beg to differ, I'm a hardcore lefty, but when Dem congressman gets caught with mega cash in his freezer, is known to associate with some shady characters around the world , I'm thinking, he is corrupt and needs to go, not that it is a Repub conspiracy to get him...there are some things I can see as partisan smear jobs and some things that are just plain factual, I'm as critical of Obama on secretiveness,  expanding war in Afgan, fighting secret war in Pak, drone assasinations etc as I was of W, the fact a Dem is doing it does not make it now okay in my mind...

if Olberman was peddling a rip off company, I would want him exposed also

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 04:26 | 601755 i.knoknot
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i'm conservative (not hardcore righty tho', too much religion out on that end), and i applaud you.

truth. i don't care what party, or what cable news network, or blog. truth and accountability.

wall street is both R/D thieves. even if they *are* 'following the rules as written', they know better. hang 'em all up. greed has no party.

cheers mm, cheers.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 11:14 | 602530 blunderdog
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A "partisan" is a person whose party-affiliation is more important than their personal convictions.

A "liberal" or a "conservative" can't really be a partisan, because none of the major parties are properly liberal or conservative.  Technically, using an obsolete definition, someone can be a "partisan" for one specific cause, such as ending the Fed, so one could say there are many "anti-Fed partisans" posting here, but in common usage the word "partisan" refers to adherence to a political party.

Most folks would rather not think about this stuff.  They pick a political party like they pick a sports team, then cheer when their guys win.  Even if they're doing the same stuff the OTHER guys did.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 14:35 | 603016 i.knoknot
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well put. and it *is* seductive/convenient to grab a generalized and pre-understood context like a party to create a common frame-of-reference, allowing us to get to our real point.

the problem is, both the parties actions and their definitions have been bent and co-opted by external powers.

i hear both democrats and republicans talk about how today's party isn't anything like the party of their fathers, etc.

it's no accident. the larger forces behind this game know exactly what they are doing, and we keep choosing to engage them.

disengage. guerilla politics: stay on the issues. vocally dismiss the parties. all of them.

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