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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:07 | 600600 homersimpson
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Liberals hate anything that reduces the impact of their Keynesian spending policies. So yes - in this case - Gold is "evil" to them.

Besides - Gold reduces advertising dollars to mass media since the crux of the financial industry is based on paper and a few PCs that are hosted closed to the stock exchange.

Vote Gold party in 2012.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:18 | 600638 midtowng
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Liberals hate gold for the same reason that conservatives hate environmental policies - because the other guy likes it.

It's stupid, knee-jerk reactions and partisans of both parties are equally guilty of it. Neither side steps back and asks the simple question, "Does it make sense?"

It's frustrating when i talk to my liberal friends and try to convince them of the merits of gold. One of them inevitably brings up Glen Beck, as if this guy is the reason to not invest in something. Telling them that I bought gold at least five years before Beck started endorising gold makes no difference to them.

BTW, Goldline is a bunch of predators, and people who buy through them are stupid.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:25 | 600665 hugolp
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Liberals hate gold for the same reason that conservatives hate environmental policies - because the other guy likes it.

Exactly this. Its just insane.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:40 | 600893 LowProfile
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"Liberals hate gold for the same reason that conservatives hate environmental policies - because the other guy likes it."


"Exactly this. Its just insane."


Wait a minute...

I don't hate the current envirionmental policies because Liberals tout them, I hate them because they are mostly based on junk science and the solution (cap and trade) is designed to benefit Wall St. and give government even more control over our lives, while real environmental concerns (e.g. anoxic zones in the Gulf) go unaddressed!

Oh, wait another minute...  You clearly meant NEO-conservatives, not Paleo-Goldwater Conservatives.  My bad.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:44 | 600726 BobWatNorCal
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"Goldline is a bunch of predators"
Who do you like?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:49 | 600745 PuppetRepubl1c
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Goldline are Predators!  Who in their fucking right mind would buy gold coins at 200% smelt value?  They prey on the mentally feeble who do not understand they are getting ripped off.  No intelligent person gives a shit what decorative nonsense is on a gold coin as long as its gold.

I think Gold is a great investment, but anyone who buys these vastly over priced gold coins is a moron!




Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:05 | 600778 VegasBob
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I'm a liberal.  I LOVE gold.  I also support balanced budgets and paying all bills in full and on time.  And I'm no fan of Obamacare.

The point is that not all liberals are insane or fiscally irresponsible, despite the claims of some right-wingers.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:42 | 600900 LowProfile
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You sir, are probably actually a classical Liberal.  Might as well come out of the closet, you Libertarian, you!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:40 | 601381 New_Meat
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Vegas, let me add to LowP's encouragement.  It is really OK, "cleansing breath", you can do it.

Please be independent, look around, make your own choice.

- Ned

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 08:16 | 601873 THE 4th Quadrant
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According to everybody on ZH, gold is going to $5000/oz so who really cares where you buy it and how much you pay for it relative to smelt or spot.

You will make so, so, so much money with gold that your purchase price will be insignificant.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:55 | 600768 firstdivision
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Where's Chris Hansen when you really need him?

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:10 | 600815 QEsucks
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Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:56 | 600944 midtowng
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Northwest Territorial Mint

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 18:30 | 601121 zenith191
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I bought Canadian Maples through Goldline last time because they were only $50 above spot whereas my old dealer Kitco was $75. I guess I am stupid.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:03 | 601321 DosZap
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I spoke to Gldline once, and did not like their approach.

It was a turn off.But, not being a total idiot, I do due diligence on everything I purchase of consequence,PM's are just one of them.That said, of the many other Gldlinesque Dealers out there, I have always been hit with bascially the same pitch line, with the difference simply the degree of HARD selling was done on these over priced products.

I have never gone shopping for any product that was a substantial investment, that I was not hit with upscale sales techniques.Most sales people are taught this in  Salesmanship Class 101.They make more commissions, and the company pushes them to do so.

This so called Investigation into Gldlines practices is not about their sales practices, nor techniques.It's an end around attack on the people, on the Conservatives programs they run their ads on.If it were not so, they could haul another four to six PM's dealers before this Sham of a Panel, for the exact same antics of Gldline.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:42 | 601383 New_Meat
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sleazy weiner thing going on.

Grilled some weiners last night, mighty tasty.

- Ned

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 03:04 | 601713 StychoKiller
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Perhaps these "Liberals" associate gold with "money" and fat-cat bankers, their mortal enemies.  Too bad for them -- they're gonna be the first ones to rat out anyone that does have gold to the Authorities:   "Cause they don't 'deserve' to be richer than anyone else!"

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:35 | 600680 Saxxon
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Doesn't matter which party.  Like gun ownership, opposition enjoys bilateral support since both parties are licking the hands of the Oligarchs.

These cocksuckers are out in force to protect Joe Sixpack from investing in the ONE asset class that has showed resilience and a steady left-to-right upwards chart throughout the foaming mad-cow markets that consecutive Administrations have loosed upon the world, in the past ten years.

It boggles my mind.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:39 | 600704 Joe Sixpack
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Don't worry about me. I'm on Zerohedge and



Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:52 | 600757 Joe Sichs Pach
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Long lost cousin...

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 20:38 | 601292 Cognitive Dissonance
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Twice removed and genetically shortchanged to boot. You changed your last name to protect the innocent Joe I see. :>)

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 22:38 | 601454 aldousd
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I like to call that "wading in the shallow end of the gene pool"

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:09 | 601174 Tell me lies
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I agree. The government is looking for a way to get there hooks in this market. Need more tax revenue!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:22 | 601008 Montgomery Burns
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You mean liberal as in all of the republican administrations over the last 30yrs with their keynesian spending policies? I don't think so. Back to work Simpson.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:10 | 600620 WSP
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Instead of wasting valuable taxpayer money and time investigating the investments in real assets like gold, perhaps these corrupt politicians could spend a little time investigating the corrupt ponzi scheme we call the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury----that is where the real corruption and crimes are taking place as the Federal Reserve loots the masses on a daily basis for the benefit of their corrupt constituents---U.S. Banks.

As for "does this mean that liberals hate gold"?  I don't know if "this means" they hate gold, but I can say that certainly they are going to hate anything that doesn't allow them to "print" and "socialize" at will-----I do think it is safe to say that "progressives" hate gold because progressives hate anything they cannot control and dictate to.  Interesting that progressives tolerate the Federal Reserve given that it operates with NO OVERSIGHT at all.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:20 | 600644 unwashedmass
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horse hocky....beck's viewers among the most easily led === just spend a few minutes and listen to the absolute nonsense he spouts as deep truths...

and...well....where better to find a bunch of people too lazy to find out much about gold and willing to believe the "collectible coins" are worth premiums almost as much as the coin?

where else can you find such easy marks? 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:51 | 600751 PuppetRepubl1c
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exactly, only a true fool would pay 200% smelt value for a fucking coin.  These people are easy marks, i only wish i had started Goldline.  It is like taking ice cream from a 2 yr old!

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:05 | 601164 Turd Ferguson
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Unwashed: You and I agree on much...but not this. Would you please cite a few specific examples of the "absolute nonsense" Beck "spouts"? As a "lazy, easily led" listener for over eight years, I'm curious to get your thoughts.

Beck owns coins because coins were not confiscated in the 30s. Beck supports the purchase of gold because he sees the world much the same as most ZHers do. Namely, we sit at the precipice of economic ruin brought on by political over-reliance on Keynesian bullshit.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:19 | 601341 RockyRacoon
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...coins were not confiscated in the 30s

Where did you find that tid-bit?  It's not true.  Gold in any form was called in.

Numismatic coins were exempt to an extent, but common coins were fair game.

I posted a while back the exact coins that were allowed by coin dealers to keep.


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 22:05 | 601414 Turd Ferguson
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I stand corrected.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 04:28 | 601752 Red Neck Repugnicant
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(in response to your posts further down this thread)

Dear Turd

Let me guess...   if you mail 10 Kool-Aid proofs of purchase back to Kraft within a 30 day period, you have your choice of three different gifts:

1.  A gigantic yellow hat

2.  A gigantic yellow hat


3.  A gigantic yellow hat 

Obviously, somewhere in that gigantic hat is a multi-pronged Kool-Aid transponder that transmits dozens of Faux News flavored photon beams straight into your cranium. There simply is no other explanation for your Beck-inspired flapdoodle.

For all the proof that you demanded in posts further down this thread, I can refer you to a neat little website called YouTube.  Do a simple search, and you will find hundreds of videos where Beck connects the dots between Obama and Hitler, Obama to the Hamas terrorist organization, Obama to eugenics, Obama to the Muslims, and Obama to nearly every vilified character in world political history.  

It is astonishing to me that you would ask for proof of this.  Truly astonishing. Your brain has been rinsed, laundered, spin-cycled, dried and put on the shelf by the almighty Murdoch propaganda machine.    

If the Hadron collider in Geneva were to smash one Kool Aid crystal with another, I am quite certain that you would instantaneously catch fire - no matter where in the world you were.  

And I apologize that this response is so delayed. Life is to be lived, not typed. 

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 08:04 | 601859 Turd Ferguson
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Ah, yes, good ole youtube. The unabashed source of movie clips, 9/11 conspiracies and UFO sightings. OK, fine.

Mr. RedNeck, please take a few moments to post clips that directly support your assertions, plainly showing in his own words, Beck stating the following:

1) Obama is Hitler

2) Obama supports eugenics

3) Obama is a Muslim terrorist

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:20 | 600645 unwashedmass
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horse hocky....beck's viewers among the most easily led === just spend a few minutes and listen to the absolute nonsense he spouts as deep truths...

and...well....where better to find a bunch of people too lazy to find out much about gold and willing to believe the "collectible coins" are worth premiums almost as much as the coin?

where else can you find such easy marks? 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 15:27 | 600672 Spitzer
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you might not like the guy but he gets some things right.

Like how Cantor Fitzjarald is a Fed primary dealer and is also a "carbon trader"

Global warming is a fucking scam designed to absorb US dollars, if Beck didnt point that out , I wouldnt know.

from wiki

CantorCO2e environmental brokerage

CantorCO2e, a subsidiary of Cantor, are brokers of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions allowances and reduction credits under the Kyoto Protocol and EU Emission Trading Scheme legislation. CantorCO2e is also active domestically in the US in markets concerned with NOx, SOx, VOC, PM10, CO, and global warming issues and brokerage services related to greenhouse gases, renewable energy, and emissions offsets, and other environmental products.[citation needed]

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:14 | 600739 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Glenn Beck uses bozo-like lunacy and conspiracy theories to sell an agenda of fear, paranoia and mistrust to an extremely gullible audience that is searching for (faux) validation for their anger and hatred. 

Similarly, gold bugs are typically very gullible to conspiracy theories and anything that advocates gloom/doom, mistrust, paranoia, the apocolypse or the end of society.   

Thus, Glenn Beck provides Goldline with a perfect audience for their product.

Plus, there are very few corporations that want to associate themselves with the outrageous lunacy of Glenn Beck - seriously, the guy is a fucking retard who attempts shock-and-awe to grab dumb, narrow-minded viewers.  So the advertising rates are much lower on his show. That's why you'll typically see lots of infomercial style advertisements between segments. 

Gloom/doom/paranoia/mistrust 2012 

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:17 | 600834 i.knoknot
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durh... duh... count me in the retard class. gladly. durh....

let us invert the logic, and argue most of mr beck's key points:

 - the government actually *is* effective, efficient, and competent, and is acting in each of our better interests (vs its own).

 - the government and our representatives *do* care what we think, as proven by the fine form letters we keep getting back when we correspond with them

 - the government is fiscally rational, and borrowing from the future is an effective way to get out of a debt crisis.

 - gold is just a metal and one (still) cannot eat it

 - SS/medicare is solvent, the treasury will re-stock the accounts with substantial assets (vs linen w/ wet ink)

 - TARP/TALF/EES/healthcare/fin-reg/etc. are all well-thought pieces of legislation, that were written, read, and completely understood by all of those representatives who voted on each.

 - the SEC is a viable and effective engine of regulation

 - historically, progressives assume that citizens are intelligent and should have the right and ability to manage their own lives and the cosequences of their own actions

 - the current administration is moderately centrist, as are the many appointed cabinet members

 - the current administation has, and continues to, compose itself of folks that believe as i do - e.g. in the wisdom of the founders, the brilliance of the constitution, the strength of the individual, that personal liberties are inherent, not rationed by governments...

 - america is really just an average country and culture, and should start to act that way

 - the current administration has truly delivered on his promise of bi-partisanship and transparency

 - when the current administration asks for alternative inputs and solutions, that it actually listens and considers them

 - the two party system is working like a well-oiled machine

 - the recession actually *is* over, we're just too dumb to see that.

 - the people that caused our problems are best qualified to fix it...

 - amerka is fine, we're worrying too much. the plan is actually working.


you're probably right. i stand corrected. it's better than i thought.

i'll go back to my room now and watch some tele-tubbies - duh durh doh

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:31 | 600870 tmosley
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Excellent post.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:44 | 600908 Upswaller
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+ 25  Can't agree more.  If you research what his team has, you find it's right on the mark.  He sites sources, gives very clear connections.  If one doesn't like what he says, Mr. Beck gets called a "Conspiracy Theorist."  So easy, the strawman argument, appeals best to the simplest of minds.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:39 | 601005 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Your inverted logic is not a fair representation of Glenn Beck's program. 

Beck takes threads of truth, then weaves together a tapestry of total lunacy which is created to instill fear and paranoia. Your inverted logic only addresses the starting point from which Beck begins, not the final product.  

Starting point:  Government is too big. (everyone agrees) 

Glenn Beck Finish Line:  Obama is Hitler

Another example--

Starting point: The merits of government controlled healthcare are dubious, at best (again, everyone agrees)

Glenn Beck Finish Line:  Obama wants to use death panels to kill old people and employ Hitler-style eugenics.

Another example:

Starting point: Obama was born in Kenya and his middle name is Hussein.

Glenn Beck Finish Line:  Obama is a Muslim terrorist who is coverty trying to destroy America and the Christian faith.  

Beck's starting points are typically on solid ground which is how the gullible get lured in to his show. 60 minutes later though, he has connected dots that are so fucking far-fetched and completely slanted toward the Republican agenda, that you have to be a mind-washed paranoid freak to believe it.       


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:54 | 601067 Jack
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I agree with you.  And for all Glenn Beck's "Obama is Hitler" rhetoric, Beck is the one following a more similar historic strategy to Hitler.


Weimar Germany financially failed->There were Jews in the banking system->Blame the Jews.


Demagogue starts from a position of certainty, to implicate unpopular groups and gain popular support.  Really the most rotten kind of populism that eventually breaks Republics that are set up to protect citizenry from the tyranny of the majority.

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 00:37 | 601620 Slewburger
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Agree...I really respect Turd's market calls...

But his taste in propaganda mouth pieces could use some work.

Pro bailout, anti Paul 2008.... he is a false leader placed to submarine candidates at the correct time.

Look at what he did for Medina here in Texas, he alone killed her momentum on a national level while everyone was watching. Who was she up against in the primary? Pretty Ricky, a NAFTA globalist, public road selling piece of trash. Hes had Perry on a few times and just loves him... hmmm

A Murdoch media whore, designed to create a blow off valve for a true liberty movement.... He and Palin are there to keep conservatives on the reservation.

He's been riding Alex Jones' coattails for a few years now.


He's as fake as a $3 bill.

Get out of the Left/Right___Blue/Red___NBC/FOX duopoly.


Fri, 09/24/2010 - 05:58 | 601747 i.knoknot
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your arguments are refreshingly specific. bravo. i also noted that particular medina deal - wondered where the hell that came from, and his opinion on Dr. Paul is very limp-wristed at best (i really like Dr. Paul).

contrary to what the original post may imply, GB's no god to me. but i have to ask, which points that i noted do you disagree with? we can't afford to discard these guys so quickly (baby/bath-water, etc.)

while he isn't the greatest, his general message is at *least* a B+ and hugely better than what we're seeing happen now in the rest of the 'owned' media. he cherry-picks, exaggerates, sarcastic, etc. all wrapped around a scary trend worth hearing.

i also think he's really interested in preserving (his image of) the original america, not controlling any party or movement. he repeatedly insists that they both suck. look at at 8/28 - the speech was pretty simple and clear. "look forward and fix it, stop the bickering, guys"

is he bought and paid for? i don't think he has to be - seriously. i'm sure their opinions overlap enough that they don't have to.

lastly, you'll note that i intentionally do not reference (+/-) any party. i believe in issues, and am certain that the current party system is a masterful ruse to keep folks like us distracted from issues.

you don't have to like GB, but don't get sucked into their game. if we do, we all lose.

Sat, 09/25/2010 - 01:26 | 604080 Slewburger
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i really like Dr. Paul


contrary to what the original post may imply, GB's no god to me. but i have to ask, which points that i noted do you disagree with? we can't afford to discard these guys so quickly (baby/bath-water, etc.)

I wouldn't say I disagree with the inverted logic points, but after some study these points are obvious, the deficit spending, liabilities, politicians being pieces of garbage etc.

Don't get me wrong, Beck has been good for the American people short term. The issue is the spoonfeeding approach. And while maybe not to you he is a demigod to some, by virtue of being on ZH I would assume you are aware, but that does not make you awake.

Beck uses a presentation style similar to teaching, putting viewers in a relaxed mental state, they accept the information they are being given as fact. Beck works so hard to gain his viewers trust so they can accept his truth.

Case #1

Beck goes on Fox's early morning show temping viewers to tune in later in the day for his juicy FEMA camp story. He believes he can't debunk them. Here I believe he is genuine. The episode that evening is the last one I can remember watching.

Upon getting a call (assuming), he pulls a complete reversal on his show and says , don't worry about this... Look its the Popular Mechanics guy, he has credibility because I saw him on Beck before. Right?? Look into it, I'm not joking.


Case #2

Beck goes onto Bill O'Reilly (from Inside Edition) pimping taxation.... Beck is pro VAT


I could go on and on about Beck anomalies....

What bothers me is Beck is insistent viewers watch daily, he does not encourage self research, instead he presents the truth to you. You accept it, he presents the next piece.

Now when you see an alternative view point in your daily life you easily dismiss it because you have already been enlightened by Heir Beck. Your mind has already been made for you. You have been predicatively programmed.

I know this because I was a regular Beck viewer. He is great for opening people's eyes, but he does not wake them up. For someone to truly wake up they have to learn on their own, pretty hard when they tune in everyday after work.

So when Beck tells them that a VAT is good for austerity and budget balancing.... Beck listeners parrot the statement and feel correct in their logic. However if you ask them about political ideologies they would say they are conservative or liberterian.

Beck is a self proclaimed libertarian, taxation is not freedom, its slavery.



Sun, 09/26/2010 - 19:36 | 606142 i.knoknot
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Slewburger - i really appreciate your real-world examples. as i said, i consciously consider *any* point-of-view if substantiated.

i suppose my biggest gripe that started this thread was the broad-stroke rejection of GB with no substance or credit for him having any value at all. it was too black or white. i really trigger on categoric statements these days.

so, while your specific examples don't compel me to categorically reject him, nobody's would.

it could be argued that your stated rejection of GB (because he betrayed us with his hidden agenda(s)) is *just* as dangerous as those who would dogmatically believe everything he says without question. (i believe that was a point you were making as well). having read many of your other ZH comments, i would assume that you are more apt to take most things at face value than you imply in your claimed rejection of GB. i believe there are many (MSM) who try to cherry-pick flaws in their targets to accomplish this same rejection as a matter of course. it is tough to keep the focus on the message and these folks know that.

GB is one of *many* sources that i consider in the management of  my perspectives.

by virtue of having "the microphone" in their hands, i always assume that they *all* have an agenda. usually that agenda is not completely aligned with mine. i *am* (mostly) awake, as i both understand this fact and having the tools to manage it.

e.g. i don't much like ed schulze, but i listen to him for his view, and often can't argue some of his positions. stephanie miller cracks me up, and confuses me with her obvious intelligence/wit and bent ideologies - in the same breath. despite my core bias/resistance, i learn from her too. i get all of these characters 2-3 times a week on the various mediums i happen to be exposed to, although i prefer to hear more of what i agree with, i'll often suffer the 'opposition' to broaden my perspective.

the difference for me, is that, regardless how much i seek vindication of my views (a human trait), i feel i *must* consider all sides if i want to have a chance to rise above the pervasive dogma. i don't care to be better than anyone, i merely want to be able to justify my positions, relative to the ever-present trade-offs. "because it feels right" isn't good enough for me anymore. in fact, i believe that what "feels good" today can be easily affected by those who would want to do so.

some specifics, fwiw:

i recall nodding in the negative on the VAT thing too. ("uh uh, i don't *think* so, mr beck...")

i also believe that a third-party might be the only way out of this muck (and no, the tea-party isn't it, but rather it is buried in the tea-party). most right-bent personalities are adamantly against that choice (rush, GB, hannity, etc.). are they sincere, or bought by the repubs? i dunno. but i ask. am i awake?

my current litmus-test is something along the lines of:

  is this proposed change (policy, etc.) helping me to be left-the-f**k-alone? or is it merely another shackle on my ankles under the guise of "we're here to help/protect you"

i was born with certain rights. governments nor gods have anything to do with them. GB *helped* me realize that. clearly, others don't really like that idea at all.

appreciating the conversation - cheers.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 01:24 | 614699 Slewburger
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I totally agree with the observation of taking things at face value. With the flow of information more like a fire hose than a water fountain; dismissing people and information has become routine. My commenting is really more of a stick and move strategy.

I tend to try and reach out to those most likely to 'get it'. Beck viewers are worth talking to because they are almost there, and they are hungry for the knowledge.  I feel as if they keep tuning in because they know they are almost there, they just don't realize which pieces of the puzzle are missing.

Now before you dismiss me for being judgemental...I wouldn't make a statement like that without some thought, or experience. For instance I've had personal experience with coworkers that follow him, and they have been seething fans of Beck, borderline blind parrots. I was afraid you were one of them. I mean; do you know very many other media hosts who could convince listeners to travel to DC?

So my point is, using Beck as a part of a balanced diet as you have; is a exception. Diversification is key. Putting your faith in a single person is asking to be let down or led astray. I personally believe Beck is the Pied Piper and will safely deliver all of the rats to Palin, just in time for '12. Any organic opposition will be discredited or outright ignored as shown above.

You obviously get that. And I would have said it if you hadn't beat me to the punch regarding the tea party, spot on.

I think your point of view is consistent with mine. Challenging yourself by listening to dissenting opinions is the best way to really make sure you truly understand an issue. For instance I watch Bill Maher, I don't agree with 25% of what he says but it forces me to think outside of an echo chamber. An added benefit is learning what makes different views tick, which is essential when communicating the universal concept of liberty.

In my opinion, being awake is like being full. Nobody can tell you that you are, you have to know. Funny, I highly doubt I just came up with that. Seriously now, from a friend to another


If you don't already feel full, that's a solid serving of meat and potatoes.


Thu, 09/30/2010 - 02:48 | 614794 i.knoknot
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if we can gently teach our kids (and peers) to 'look both ways' before crossing the road, we may have hope yet.

i only wish we were all as truly aware as we think we are.

tnx for the chat. it really helps when one *has* to be able to carry his/her opinion beyond the simple one-liners.

too much time in ZH lately, but i think there's a hidden benefit and certainly a bit of theraputic value. it's hard to manage that mess out there :^)

cheers to you. (btw, that link is just nuts. "we're friggin doomed" - magambo guru)

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:22 | 601187 Turd Ferguson
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Wrong. If anyone misrepresents anything, it is you.

When, exactly, has Beck claimed "Obama is Hitler". Please search Media Matters and Huff Post to your heart's desire. Show me the clip.

There are, in fact, references to "cost/benefit analyses of rationed health care" in the new system. Once I finish reading the entire, 2000-page monstrosity, I'll cite chapter and verse for you. The term "death panels" is a political overstatement meant to get attention but the language is, most definitely, there. Additionally, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid et al are all self-proclaimed progressives. It was the early 20th century progressives who brought us eugenics. This is not a long walk to connect the two.

Beck has never, ever inferred that Obama is trying to destroy Christianity in America. The progressive movement has tried to utilize churches to advance their agenda through the innocuous-sounding term "social justice". This is quite clear. Again, find for me specific clips where Beck calls the president a "muslim terrorist trying to destroy America". If he has, you'll certainly be able to find it through a few keystrokes accessing Media Matters or the Huffington Post.

I'll be waiting to hear from you. 


Thu, 09/23/2010 - 19:27 | 601200 Dolar in a vortex
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Save your keystrokes for someone who has a mind to open.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:07 | 601327 Turd Ferguson
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Good point. I just get worked up when I read douchebags spout HuffPost talking points without any substantiation. They claim independent/libertarians such as myself to be brainwashed, adol minded robots when it is they who fit that mold.

At any rate, I have personally met Glenn a few times. He is a decent, honorable guy. Nothing like the cartoon character the msm portrays him as. I will defend him every time.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 21:24 | 601353 DosZap
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Beck said it ONE time, and apologized for it.

The people who run him down, never watch, listen, and digest what he's said, done, or doing.

Just like the Lamestream media...................

I know of NO ONE person that has brought more real American History to light, than he has,

He's nailed every Progressives ass to the wall and gave point after point as to why they were and what they did.

He's had a phone installed for at least a year, begging the people he's accused to call and dare and refute him with facts.

They won't, because he's nailed it.It's not hard to follow him, if you already know what he says is the truth.

He's outed every radical in Barrys A Team, and all the SOROS funded socialistas,the Union thugs,and the programs they represent.

Hitlers dead, so Barry can't be Hitler..............little doubt there.

But, 95% of everything else he's talked about, has been dead on.......

His audience WAS for the Sheeple,the only one besides Limbaugh.

But, thanks to him he woke up a hell of a lot of J6P's in America.

His ratings are 3 million + viewers a day, at 5:00 p.m. EST,so no one watches or listens...............

I do not follow him on a daily basis, I did until I figured out he did his homework. He's not a racist, or a bigot, nor a fool................

Watch him,listen, with an open mind, and judge him on the facts.

His guests are all idiots and rednecks too,to all who never listen but prefer to Judge unfairly instead.

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