Goldman Admits To Frontrunning Clients Through Its Prop Desk

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Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:33 | 191181 deadhead
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I'm most confident that Mary Schapiro has already looked into this, probably found that all is "okey dokey, smokey", hence the nice GS letter to their sucker clients.


Tue, 01/12/2010 - 14:10 | 191232 Cognitive Dissonance
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You got junked! Does this mean we have Shapiro lovers among us or do some GS clients prefer not to be called a "sucker" by deadhead? Whatever, welcome to the junked crowd.

My view is that as long as you're informed that you're getting screwed, it's not really a screwing, is it? Hence the letter. Consider yourself informed and the activity disclosed.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 14:23 | 191252 deadhead
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i think it was the "sucker" client.....I actually thought a moment about leaving it out...

i can see where a client of GS would not like that comment, unless it was one of those that bought some of those AAA CDO's while GS was shorting the piss out of them.


Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:17 | 191330 Ruth
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I consider it an honor to be junked, as long time readers are informed, junking we know hits a nerve of truth.  AND as long time readers we can observe on which side of the junk scale you belong, esp. when they junk and show their disdain.  But if I could I'd push your comments to the top, as in cream but alas no "I love this comment" button exists.  FOLKS WAKE UP!  YOU HAVE JUST BEEN SCAMMED!


Bobble, Bobble. 

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:20 | 191332 MsCreant
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I honored you Ruth. [insert polite bow here]

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:22 | 191337 Cognitive Dissonance
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I honored you MsCreant for your honoring of Ruth.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:38 | 191393 Ruth
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You guys are GREAT!  And I honor back!

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:46 | 191412 WaterWings
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Junk Train: get on it!

We're following DH wherever he gooooooooes. Don't forget to Junk yourself once aboard!

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 16:28 | 191472 WaterWings
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Does the Federal Reserve have a disclaimer? How about a tagline:

Frontrunning planet Earth since 1913

Ben Bernanke's Federal Reserve announced Tuesday that it made a record profit of $46.1 billion last efforts to rescue the country from the worst economic and financial crisis since the 1930s

No conflict-of-interest-stone left unturned!

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 16:35 | 191486 Hephasteus
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LOL. You guys are pissing off the right people. Way to get junked!!

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 16:45 | 191503 JohnKing
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<junk check>

Fundamental Strategies Group - Like blocking and tackling, it's important to stick to the fundamentals, our fundamental role is to pick your pocket. Thank you for making us a success. We promise to stick to the fundamentals.

</junk check>

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 16:48 | 191506 Anonymous
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I am Chumbawamba.

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Tue, 01/12/2010 - 17:13 | 191544 merehuman
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God , its good to be here amongs the disdained and junked. Thank you all for being.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 03:43 | 763896 Karston1234
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Wed, 12/22/2010 - 10:20 | 823618 stevebrown
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Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:12 | 1339878 haibop
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Tue, 01/12/2010 - 14:38 | 191272 mtguy
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RE: "My view is that as long as you're informed that you're getting screwed, it's not really a screwing, is it?"

Being informed of being screwed, just means you weren't raped. You're still screwed!

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:06 | 191311 Cognitive Dissonance
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OK, I'll try this again.

<sarcasm on>

"My view is that as long as you're informed that you're getting screwed, it's not really a screwing, is it?"

<sarcasm off>

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 14:12 | 191234 faustian bargain
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haha, yeah I was going to say, Mary must have a lot of free time to be browsing zerohedge on the job.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 14:20 | 191245 You Cant Handle...
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"okey dokey, smokey"


Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:59 | 191432 knukles
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Goldman's quest in absolution of crimes they will not admit.   

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:05 | 192031 baserunr
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Those were not crimes!  They are doing "God's work"!  Can't you give them a break?



Tue, 01/12/2010 - 16:06 | 191440 Oso
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LOL - this whole chain of junk-commaraderie is just so heart-warming. 

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 17:16 | 191553 merehuman
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Oso your avatar is an old friend, so i had to junk you! LOL

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 16:36 | 191489 Dkizzle49855
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Dear Mr. DH:


Please accept my humble apology for hitting the "junk" button in regard to your comments.  I wasn't paying too much attention and flagged it by mistake instead of hitting the reply button.


Tue, 01/12/2010 - 17:21 | 191561 Anonymous
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Talk about "butterfly effect".

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 17:37 | 191573 deadhead
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quite alright.

finally got an email from lloyd on my offer of pr services.  one of my first strategeries is to junk all notes that can impugn upon the sterling and virginal reputation of Goldman Sachs.

working pretty good so far, eh?

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 20:34 | 191795 ATG
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No kidding.

No wonder God's work is so profitable.

Demonstrated in 1929 and 1987.

On 20 October 1987, GS Chair Robert Rubin

took the other side of the GS George Soros

runaway freight short SPU train, perhaps

knowing, unlike Geo, that both exchanges would

actually open, despite NYSE public announcement

they would not, thus putting a surprise floor in

the markets.

May not happen again. Don't think twice,

it's all right.

(Reflexivity Godel Theorem man so

stunned he broke the Bank of England

to get back on game again...

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 10:21 | 823630 stevebrown
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He seems much talented, clients would be no more happier. | what is pewter

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 03:22 | 1320321 SampsonHelix
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Clients are very important for service industries. As a company, we should treat clients well.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:33 | 191183 Steak
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One's view of a disclaimer varies tremendously depending which side they are sitting on.  It is my view that the use of disclaimers is yet another manifestation of the endemic hypocrisy of the last decade.  Ostensibly a disclaimer is to make sure two consenting adults fully understand the risks of the endeavor at hand.  This fits well with the "personal responsibility" mantra that is used in practice as more of a political cudgel than an actual statement of one's philosophical leanings.

Disclaimers and waivers are at this point mostly offensive tools that protect companies blatant wrongdoing.  We sign our lives away on a daily basis and we largely have no choice (outside living off the grid).  There is a line between personal responsibility and legal cover for otherwise illegal activities.  This Goldman episode is just another example of how we have a different set of rules for those who can afford great lawyers and everyone else.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:08 | 191313 chumbawamba
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Just start adding disclaimers to all your personal communications.  If challenged in court, it will quickly become readily apparent that all such disclaimers are bullshit.  If not, hey, the sky's the limit!

I am Chumbawamba*.

* By reading this message you agree that I, Chumb A. Wamba, have equal ownership of all monetary devices in your possession and under your control, and that furthermore I have full priveleges to have sex with your wife upon demand.  You are also obligated to allow me to come over to your house, sit in your favorite chair and watch television all day (a channel or channels of my choosing) and drink all your beer; and if you do not have beer, you will be compelled to go fetch some from the store with your (er, our) money.  Finally, I have full rights and ownership to all your children, either alive, in womb, or yet to be conceived, and that I am entitled to have them named after me exclusively, or if I decide otherwise, to have them named anything that I might fancy.  If any of these terms and conditions are found to be inapplicable by local laws, you agree that such laws are irrelevant and that your subjugation to my whims is complete and without challenge.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:14 | 191324 Cognitive Dissonance
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LOL Funny.

Comment of the year, or at least the 12 days of it so far. I particularly like the part where it's "our" money.


Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:22 | 191338 Reggie Middleton
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Why flag that as junk. It's funny as hell. That's got to be the best one so far!!!

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 17:44 | 191582 Hephasteus
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That sounds like a standard business agreement from any music or book publishing company. Throw in 30 i own you and you have to jump through 57 hoops to keep me happy and you got it nailed.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:41 | 191195 Anonymous
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Tyler, the term "Trading Ideas" is capitalized. Are "Trading Ideas" a subset of research, or do all of the recommendations of GS constitute "Trading Ideas"

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 16:28 | 191476 knukles
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Uooooh yeah.  The Quest for the Defined Term.  Gotta love it!  Just can't get better than this.  Whadda Great F*in' Country!

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:42 | 191196 Anonymous
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I guess any remaining clients would rather be front-runned rather than back-doored?


Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:45 | 191199 Liberdadedescolha
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AWESOME work guys. In here (EUROPE) we are buying iphones 3g for 600 euros, or 1000 dolars... they are crazy or what????? and surprise, there are lots of people buying it, until the day...
Look @ this chart, i guess we will start P3 soon, very soon.


Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:45 | 191200 pooplagrande
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(size 4 font at the bottom of the page):

*Please note that we may or may not provide KY Jelly for your anus before we ram you.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:47 | 191202 Dixie Normous
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I'm glad to see SLK in this.

I always believed that when GS bought them they never realised what a bunch of criminals they were and for some time they didn't know how to leverage that into making big money.

Then it finally occured to them that if they could do electronically what SLK did manually, i.e. front run everyone all the time no matter how small the profit, then they could print money.

I've met more than one trader/fundy who cleared through SLK but wouldn't let them near the office while the market was open.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:54 | 191210 Anonymous
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GS' strategy is to cheat its customers having purchased protection from the government which bankrupted its competitors...this is the extraction of economic rent by a monopolist...
think of Standard Oil before the trust was busted.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 13:56 | 191213 MarketTruth
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Just wait until those who read the disclaimers of the ETF called GLD:

Starting at page 56...

Shareholders do not have the protections associated with ownership of shares in an investment company registered under the Investment Company Act of 1940 or the protections afforded by the Commodity Exchange Act of 1936 or CEA.

The Trust is not registered as an investment company under the Investment Company Act of 1940 and is not required to register under such act. Consequently, Shareholders do not have the regulatory protections provided to investors in investment companies....


The Trust may not have adequate sources of recovery if its gold is lost, damaged, stolen or destroyed and recovery may be limited, even in the event of fraud, to the market value of the gold at the time the fraud is discovered.

Shareholders’ recourse against the Trust, the Trustee and the Sponsor, under New York law, the Custodian, under English law, and any subcustodians under the law governing their custody operations is limited. The Trust does not insure its gold.


In this era of counterparty risk, who do you trust may be key. As they sayk, if you do not physically hold it, you do not own it.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 14:28 | 191260 Benthamite
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I hope to hear Chumbawamba fulminate GLD.  

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:09 | 191314 Steak
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Chumbawumba is away from the computer right now...please leave a message after the tone

*(physical) GOLD BITCHES*

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 15:14 | 191319 chumbawamba
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I won't bother.  Anyone who is "invested" in GLD deserves the ass-raping they're going to get once this JP Morgan inspired fraud inevitably blows up.

If anyone is stupid enough to want to put money into paper instruments, might I suggest you instead spend that money on sheafs of blank paper?  At least then you'll end up with something tangible and useful, rather than an assload of JPM jizz.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 01/12/2010 - 14:51 | 191292 ToNYC
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GLD is the modern equivalent to the fine print at the entrance to Fort Knox. It's far safer to believe that everything that was real and old has been stolen. The odds greatly favor ETFs being a monster disaster waiting to happen; an unseasoned financial innovation in a World in search of the next black hole. The trillions aren't real nor can be earned so having them disappear into a Madoff black hole is the new financial physics.

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