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Goldman Capitulates (Again): Downgrades Q1 GDP To 2.5%, Sees Outlook For H2 As "Messy"

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No QE3? Really? Oh yes, Zero Hedge 1, Goldman Sachs (who can possibly forget Goldman's shark jumping "New US Golden Age" report from December after all it took was one bad NFP print for Goldman to launch QE2 back in August?) 0 (here and here)

Just out from Jan Hatzius

1. With the first quarter now behind us, we have downgraded our Q1 GDP estimate to 2.5% from 3.5%. By itself, that’s not a big deal. Most indicators other than those that happen to go into the GDP bean count—in particular, virtually all business surveys and labor market indicators—continue to look solid and are probably a more accurate guide to the economy’s true strength. We believe that first-quarter GDP was held down by temporary factors, including poor weather and perhaps a bad draw from noisy data. Because temporary factors must eventually reverse by definition, this could mean a very strong quarterly GDP reading in Q2 (we are at 4%).

2. But the risks to our second-half GDP forecast of 4% also remain on the downside, and that’s more meaningful. We don’t see anything dramatic at this point, just a few weaker signals here and there. Gasoline prices are making new highs again, fiscal policy is starting to tighten a bit more aggressively, and a couple of indicators—specifically ISM new orders and consumer expectations—have softened a bit. So H2 is on downgrade watch.

3. The inflation news is also a thorn in our side. We still think the pass-through from commodity prices into core inflation will be very limited, and there is still a large amount of slack even after the 1-percentage-point drop in the unemployment rate over the past four months. But the core inflation data has clearly been a little firmer than we thought, with rent and owners’ equivalent rent leading the way. At some level, this sounds a bit odd because it’s hard to believe that the battered housing sector is a genuine source of upside inflation risk. Nevertheless, the risks to our forecast that core inflation will stay at 1% are on the upside.

4. Some Fed officials have reacted to the firmer inflation numbers by slightly hedging their earlier calls for continued accommodation, emphasizing that significant second-round effects and higher inflation expectations would not be tolerated, and implying that monetary policy may need to be tightened a bit earlier than they had thought a few months ago. We share this view; given the recent data, the risks are skewed toward a somewhat earlier date for the first rate hike than our current forecast of 2013Q1.

5. But other Fed officials go far beyond this and sound a lot more concerned about the possibility of an inflationary outbreak. There is now a serious split on the FOMC. We believe that the split partly boils down to a disagreement about the significance of the monetary base (currency plus bank reserves held with the Fed). The base has tripled from $800 billion before the crisis to $2.4 trillion now, mostly because of a huge increase in excess bank reserves in the wake of the Fed’s large-scale asset purchase program. Some Fed officials, as well as many investors, believe that the increase in the base represents a large inflationary potential, over and above the factors emphasized by the FOMC majority such as GDP, employment, wages, capacity utilization, and input costs. Thus, they take any acceleration in inflation or inflation expectations as a potential signal that the dreaded day has arrived, at a time when the Fed is still “feeding the fire” by continuing to buy Treasuries.

6. Some of this particular concern may be rooted in the traditional money multiplier theory, which holds that the availability of bank reserves is the key constraint on bank lending. It implies that banks will eventually “use” the excess reserves to make significantly more loans. This, the story goes, will lead to a sharp increase in credit creation and ultimately inflation.

7. We disagree with this story and so, we think, does the FOMC majority. [TD: which means this is guaranteed to occur] It stands and falls with the assumption that (bank) loans are financed by deposits subject to minimum reserve requirements, and are therefore “constrained” by the amount of reserves in the system. In reality, however, most bank loans have long been primarily funded from sources other than deposits subject to minimum reserve requirements, including nontransaction deposits, bonds, and commercial paper. This means that bank lending was not constrained by the availability of reserves even prior to the increase in excess reserves. Relieving a non-existent constraint cannot be important for credit creation or inflation. If so, the monetary base is essentially meaningless. (This does not mean that QE2 had no effect, but it does mean that the effect is much more limited and works through the impact of the Fed’s larger asset holdings on bond yields and financial conditions, not through the liability side of the Fed’s balance sheet and the monetary base.)

8. The upshot is that the growth news is a little worse, the inflation news is a little worse, and the risk that the Fed might tighten before early 2013 has gone up a little. None of this is dramatic, and we think the basic story of good growth, low inflation, and friendly monetary policy that we have been telling since late last year still stands. But it’s all a little messier than we would like.

 


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Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:46 | Link to Comment vas deferens
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Another very bullish sign for the market.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:55 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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GLOBEX opens and silver shoots past $38.

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment CPL
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Until May.

 

Sell in May then go away.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 12:26 | Link to Comment tamboo
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maybe theyll beat you to the punch
and pull the plug on black friday part 2 april 29.

"The world is within a 20 trading day window of the greatest asset valuation collapse in history. Intuitive is the premise that without the multitrillion exnihilo ('out of nothing' - G) dollar bailout by the world's central banks, world equity/commodity valuations would be less than their current bubble value. This money printing is beyond any historical provided easy credit. The results will likewise be historical."

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

(page down to lammert's latest outlook)

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Just watched Fight Club again. Us space monkeys are proud. Tyler, we thank you.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:48 | Link to Comment bankrupt JPM bu...
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I am in a fight club...and some guy in it asked me if I read ZH....fuck, if he only knew. (and yes I already violated rule 1 of FC)

 

www.silvergoldsilver.blogspot.com

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:01 | Link to Comment Selah
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Dude, could you get some control over the morons that post on your blog?

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:30 | Link to Comment slow_roast
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He is the moron that posts on his blog. 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:53 | Link to Comment random shots
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and the futures yawn...there most be some hidden message in the report that reads "sell on x date" <tin foil hat\off>

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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Silver is above $38 an ounce. Silver is an antiviral substance for Banksters after all.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Selah
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Yes, Silver has anti-bankterial properties...

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Astute Investor
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I guess "messy" = 1500 target for SPX...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:52 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Funny how Goldman flip flops on its economic outlook, currency targets, etc.

They keep vibrating the traders like a huge sheet of sheet metal, constantly bucking them off, causing them to lose their grip on their positions.

Typcial PigMen shakedowns.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:06 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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they got a vibrator alright.  "it's all the buzz" from what i hear.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment rocker
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My wife said the Hitachi Magic Wand I got here was the best gift ever. I get all the good stuff I need now. Trust me guys, buy your lady one. 

Hitachi knows how to Melt my little lady and they know how to Melt a City. Unlike GE, they really do it all.

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:45 | Link to Comment nmewn
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What traders?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:00 | Link to Comment lieutenantjohnchard
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reading you calling goldman flip flop artists is comical. you are the king of flip flops: fight the fed. don't fight the fed. jpm has a silver short position. the jpm short position is a myth. i'm itching to get short. i'll stay long until the summation index cracks. i'm an uber bull. i'm only long 30% of my investable money. gold is for dullards. i have gold stocks and gold coins. pigmen always win. leh and bear collapse. i could go on. but most zh veterans already know your low ways.

btw: who are the pigmen shaking down given market low volumes, and 1% of the population owning half the market?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment JR
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Hatzius (Goldman Sachs) can say whatever he wants, of course; and it’s good for Zero Hedge to put it on.  It shows what’s going on - the king’s ministers are telling us what the king’s going to do. 

Is it the truth?  Probably not, since they keep changing it. And since when does the “nimble” Goldman hem and haw over what “Fed officials” say or worry over a split on the FOMC when Goldman is the NYFed, i.e., the Fed, i.e., the don of dons…

The interesting thing is, these are revisions of the projections that have yet to be realized, and the next message we get will be more projections that haven’t been realized yet.  It’s like telling you a year in advance who’s going to win the World Series,  the next month telling you, “We’ve changed our mind,” and as the series is being completed: “We kinda thought it might not work out the way it looked earlier.”

It’s best to remember Goldman is in position to make money; not to provide information for its competitors.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:06 | Link to Comment homersimpson
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Robo - the king of all flipfloppers. Makes me miss HarryWanger.. ok. maybe not..

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 23:02 | Link to Comment reading
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Did Harry finally hit the junk quota?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Hulk
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They keep vibrating the traders like a huge sheet of sheet metal, constantly bucking them off, causing them to lose their grip on their positions

Excellent description....

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:55 | Link to Comment SparkyvonBellagio
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THIS SHOULD BE GOOD FOR 1000 POINT PONZI SPIKE

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 20:57 | Link to Comment knukles
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"With the first quarter now behind us, we have downgraded our Q1 GDP estimate to 2.5% from 3.5"

If one of my analysts or portfolio managers had ever made a statement like that, they'd have been ridiculed by their peers before they got reamed out by me or my boss, etc.

It says;
Now that the news and events have passed, we can pass on our new and revised forecast of those past events.

Amazing.
Moreover, having sat through thousands of meetings, phone conversations, luncheons and whatnots listening to Zero Value Added tripe such as this, what really takes the cake is that somewhere down the line, absolutely no matter what transpires, they will look at you with a straight face and say that they did indeed correctly forecast the outcome.
Because they've forecasted, redacted, retracted, modified, review and reissued so many prognostications that every base has indeed been covered.

Hence, no value added.

But, needs realize that one must indeed make it look as if one has worked hard for the rewards.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:04 | Link to Comment random shots
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Sell side people are just glorified sales reps. Like used car salespeople or those pushy tards who sell cell phones in mall kiosks.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:28 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"If one of my analysts or portfolio managers had ever made a statement like that, they'd have been ridiculed..."

LOL...we live in an age where important data points are revised downward 25-50% habitually, by those schooled in the statist art of Keynes slight of hand theory, in an "economy" where government transfer payments make up 30% of GDP, with a MSM that had their tattered pom poms replaced with funds from O-Care & "shovel ready" sumpin or other.

It's a brave new world where nothing is real except the debt.

Another list of those slurping at the trough;

http://blogs.ajc.com/jamie-dupree-washington-insider/2011/04/03/health-law-payments/?cxntfid=blogs_jamie_dupree_washington_insider

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:01 | Link to Comment max2205
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Now back to your regular programming schedule: BTFD!! Although I do thing this next new high could be the perfect bull trap suck in so be on your toes

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:09 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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they say "never catch a falling knife."  i say "ride that greasy balloon, bitchez!"

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:16 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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Lets see....

QE3 is going to happen-Check.

Gasoline to $5-Check.

Food inflation-Check.

Democrats and Republicans continue the Spending Spree unabated-Check.

 

No pull back in Silver and Gold at all!

Todays Spike is Tomorrows Dip. Just buy and don't worry about how many FRN's you trade for it.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:02 | Link to Comment The Axe
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But no revisions to major SP companies, like a much lower GNP doesn't effect MMM or GE or UTX   wtf

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Hedge Jobs
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here they go again, just softening the market up for QE3. It really is just getting too easy now. Just forget everything fundamental and trade the FED's reflation, deflation swings...until it all inevitably turns to shit . For anyone still grappling with these concepts i cant recomend the book "Dying of Money" by Jens O. Carsson enough. No link sorry

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:08 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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GDP is a joke

GDP is gay

I want to know the definative answer to QE

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:18 | Link to Comment duncecap rack
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Don't we all. I'm betting temporary pause. Then buy that chasm.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:07 | Link to Comment TemporalFlashback
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"...the risks are skewed toward a somewhat earlier date for the first rate hike than our current forecast of 2013Q1."

That should read '2012Q1', right?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 09:25 | Link to Comment earnulf
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Wells Fargo is predicting rates will start rising in 2012Q1.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:06 | Link to Comment jkruffin
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I'm just gonna sit back and watch USD/JPY run up through 85 overnight.....the squeeze is coming on all the dollar shorts. Bill Gross will be trapped in his hedge.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:08 | Link to Comment B9K9
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Well, I'm still in the "no more QE camp". Take a look around - see how light the traffic is? More than anything else, rising gas prices are having a direct life-style effect. How much higher can they go before people really begin to wake up & learn/realize that their lives are being fucked over by a small group of chosen, oops, 'preferred' constituents?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:20 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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Traffic has been light, but then again, it has been spring break for various schools around me.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:32 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Take a look around - see how light the traffic is?"

Noted the same...been like that for a couple months around here.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:06 | Link to Comment captain_menace
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rising gas prices are having a direct life-style effect

You've completely missed the upside psychological effect!

I no longer feel so lame for being a homebody.  Surely I'm not the only one soaking up this intangible?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:14 | Link to Comment bania
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just watching silver go through $38 late sunday night.  sweet dreams.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Misean
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It's gonna be entertaining, for at least a few minutes, when "Project 401K Bubble" implodes.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:22 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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I remember everyone telling me that cashing out my 401k's and IRA's and paying the tax penalties was a big mistake. That was when Silver was $12 and Gold was $700. Now tell me who made the mistake?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Misean
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Yeah. I did similar. In 1999.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Jreb
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Did the same with my CDN RRSP's. A close relative told me I was insane. That was back at $17.00 spot.

 

My only regret is that I didn't sell my house and use the equity to do the same.... my wife woulda taken half anyways...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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They are just buying time to rebalance their bond portfolio. Inflation!

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:22 | Link to Comment booboo
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"But it’s all a little messier than we would like"

"Jeeves, is that a family of four embedded in the grill of the Bentley? wash that mess off before the guest arrive"

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:28 | Link to Comment philgramm
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Thanks a lot.  Glenlivet all over keyboard

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment tickhound
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Now that the plane has landed, we are obligated to inform you of an increased chance for a mid-air collision.  Thank you for flying Goldman air... And should you choose to fly with us again, it is important to note that we disagree with this story, and so do most experts.

Note: The subject matter discussed does not necessarily reflect our own opinion, unless proven true, in which case we warned you that flying can be messy.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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That was a good one! (Goldman/Boeing) merger on the squawk!

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:34 | Link to Comment monopoly
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long john silver. +1

check.

A little messier, you mean looking out over the horizon the tsunami is forming. Yup, this is really going to work just fine Bernank.

what a freaking idiot.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:35 | Link to Comment tahoebumsmith
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800 billion in tarp, 1.2 Trillion in stimulus, QE1, QE LITE, QE2, HAMP, HARP, POMO, 99 WEEK EXTENSIONS, .25% FREE MONEY And look how far we have come? The channels are stuffed and the country can't even fight its way out of a wet paper bag. When will they realize you can't solve a debt crisis by combating it with more debt?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:35 | Link to Comment lbrecken
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piss on GS the MFers sold out to O long ago....i use there research as poop paper now.....

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Ted K
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You've moved up from using your left hand fingers?? Progress is always good.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:39 | Link to Comment arnoldsimage
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why even post what the "corleone family" says the gdp is going to be?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:39 | Link to Comment arnoldsimage
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everything is a magic show. our entire financial industry is made up of bazillion misdirection plays.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:48 | Link to Comment steveo
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Off topic, but methinks important

 

Here are some common radioactive items, and their half lives.  

Iodine is 8 days

Cesium is 30 years

Both are readily absorbed by the human body.

 
Isotope     Symbol     Half-Life     Radiation     Energy, MeV

Iodine-125     125I     60 days     ?     0.035
Iodine-131     131I     8.0 days     ß?     0.606 0.364
Cesium-137     137Cs     30 years     ß?     0.5140.662

 Some estimates place that Fukushima is already way worse than Chernobyl and Three Mile Island (TMI) in terms of radiation already released.

I have placed a ton of material including links to the best sites out there.  

http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/

Mainstream media is all but ignoring these issues, when facts speak otherwise, you know it is big.   It is placing the Great Ponzi at risk and the financial engineers / media controllers don't like that.
__________________________________________________

I placed an article on "Sheltering In House" as text and as a downloadable Word Doc.   Please review it, preparation is key.

http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/p/japan-nuclear-information.html

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Bruno the Bear
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I've decided to quit reading ZH right before I go to bed. While this site speaks the truth, I can't deal with the nightmares.

I think i will end my ZH reading by 7:00 pm EST and hope my dreams of blow jobs and good bourbon return once again.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Nate Taggart
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Are you kidding?  I have to read ZH right before bed.  Makes me sleep sounder thinking about physical PMs stashed away.

 

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment Bruno the Bear
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Deleted double post. Friggin iPad.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:58 | Link to Comment captain_menace
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GDP was held down by temporary factors, including poor weather

Rainy days and Mondays always get me down too...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:09 | Link to Comment Akrunner907
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Hmm, I wonder if we are sinking past gold and silver and moving into bullets and butter?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:37 | Link to Comment plocequ1
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Who cares. Buy Apple and other assorted goodies and dont worry about nothing. Ben will shower us with plenty of loaves and fishes. News about no QE3 is nothing but Hit bait on phony conservative  websites. Good for a few clicks. QE will continue.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:31 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
Mon, 04/04/2011 - 00:09 | Link to Comment truont
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that link is dead.

Must've been good stuff...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Time for everyone to go to the swap and shop...

You shop for gold and silver and swap for FRN's...

See investing is easy...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment g3h
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So, what does it translate into SP earings?  Down by $5?

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 01:48 | Link to Comment Jesse Livermore...
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The US is in a major GDP Bubble as policies by the Fed Govt. and Fed Reserve have always been to inflate and to increase GDP number with non-sense policies.

 

http://www.wtffinance.com/2011/03/the-gdp-bubble-and-why-debt-to-gdp-is-...

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 05:01 | Link to Comment bingaling
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There is no growth when inflation is factored in .

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Silver Surfer 1985
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Crank up the presses gents; the endgame approaches..............

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