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May 16, 2008:
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Goldman Sachs once again issued a provocative forecast for the price of crude oil Friday, saying a barrel is likely to average $141 over the second half of the year -- a further 10% or so above the latest in what's been a string of record highs.
Making their projection on the same day that Saudi Arabia -- the world's biggest oil producer -- declined to raise output and that crude futures crested near $128 a barrel for the first time, Goldman commodities analysts Jeffrey Currie, Giovanni Serio, David Greely, Allison Nathan and Samantha Dart said the oil market appears to be in the midst of a historic repricing...
Priceless. Now GS claims to be an expert on history. Too funny.
I find it odd that the spread hit records decidedly before the shit hit the fan. Makes ya wonder who knew what when.
Who is/was the hedge fund that had all the big shorts blown out during the 08 parabola? I'm looking to study the event.
Also, Gail the Actuary at The Oil Drum just wrote posted a writeup on the Brent/WTI spread. Some possible solutions to the anomaly are mentioned.
What is Goldman's estimate for oil when the Saudi's fall to the revolutionaries?
At least the Fed can sell some bonds today.
The game is not over yet. Treasuries and bennie live to fight another day. The bottom may be in for the dollar for a while. Slow devaluation and slow rise in treasuries means bennie has a chance to win.
I just don't want to live through a Second Great Depression.
The market has doubled off the lows. Did Bernanke really fail?
Or is he just the man we all love to hate?
Sure. There is no cure for such scale bubble crisis other than living through the consequences.
We have been blessed to live in interesting times.
Truth to Power
More like 130 USD Brent on 6 month horizon, and 160 USD on 12 months.
Even if they are wrong at $141, the price ain't going down from here..
Does anyone know the grade of libyan crude? If it is light sweet crude then probably it cant be replaced by spare opec capacity which is heavy sour. Only certain refineries can crack heavy sour.
good question, wish i knew...who does?
I heard it was the good stuff
Libyan oil is generally light (high API gravity) and sweet (low sulfur content), but can also be thick and waxy. The country's nine export grades have API gravities that range from 26o – 44o. While the lighter, sweeter grades are generally sold to Europe, the heavier crude oils are often exported to Asian markets. Most Libyan oil is sold on a term basis, including to the country's Oilinvest marketing network in Europe; to companies like Agip, OMV, Repsol YPF, Tupras, CEPSA, and Total; and small volumes to Asian and South African companies.
Does this help you mr troll
Good to see the petra-oleum complex dis-integrate. The pain had to be borne by some generation. Might as well be us. So we can innovate. Genuinely innovate. Not this incremental form-oriented crap that has us slave to explosion.
Wisconsin was first. Now see the anger spread to Indiana, Michigan, Ohio...
BTW, where is Lloyd today? I'd venture to say, he's packed his bags and headed towards the bunker...
At what dollar price level in oil does demand in US actually begin to show decline? Past studies show that consumption does not decline substantially and especially until prices reach net negative returns on most business. Individuals reduce consumption slighly sooner as their bottom line is impacted accordingly, but cost carry to business shows up in consumer prices.
We all have heard the Peak Oil concept, but it is more a peak cost and price factor than a supply. Cheap oil production is declining, but it is not just the fact that the most economical oil available is declining, but also the fact that currencies and their government proxies are declining which both cause and results from events like Egypt and Libya. Fourth turning stuff or whatever one calls it, but the fact that too many people do not realize what truly is important in life only means things will get much worse before any chance for the better. I wish it were not so, but afraid it is meant to be.
This is easily explained: You can't eat oil, so it can't be priced too dearly.
You can eat oil, just have an infinite supply of 'tighty whities' on hand.
Castor Oil - When only the best in explosive diarrhea is expected.
Olestra - The other momentus bowl movement maker.
I hope you post gs weekly kickstart on sunday , i think there might be some changes there as well.
Shock from the middle east is what el erian calls it.
Could Goldman be....oh you already said it.
Check out page 4 of the report the line labeled:
Precious Metals...London Silver...
They have the price dropping in the 3 month forecast, even though at the same time they have the price of gold moving up. Just an interesting thing that caught my eye.
From CNN Money story:
"We have strategic stockpiles of 1.6 billion barrels and I know that OPEC has a good spare capacity," IEA chief Nabuo Tanaka told reporters at an OPEC oil ministers meeting in Saudi Arabia.
The IEA says everything is fine. BTFD.
IEA SAYS "Don't Worry Be Happy"
They simply do not understand. They take IEA projections at face value, and the IEA's budget requires them to accept local government projections. Christ, they still expect 13 mbpd out of Iraq by 2014 (they're at 2 mbpd now) when damn near anyone even remotely up to date on oil can tell them the Iraqi oil ministry is fucking insane.
They do not understand and they are going to get a lot of people killed.
They also need to get better calibrated on "all liquids" vs "crude and condensate". All liquids are being lumped in to hide the problem with C&C. All liquids do not have anywhere near C&C's energy density. You can't pour their refined result gallon for gallon into your gas tank.
Yup, you got it right.
If any representative from Goldman Sachs has the time would they please explain to me why i should trust them and believe anything they say in the public forum.
Because they do God's work? Therefore their market outlook is gospel.
Original post 14:43 My WTIC NYMEX chart just flatlined, anyone else's?
Still got nothing. Stuck @ 93.75. Just a feed fucked? Everything else still spinning along as far as I can tell.
Oh yeah, spot popped up to 95.35 plus AH, interesting.
It's just so awesome that Goldman can predict the future.
When WTI hits $150 he will say,"No one could have seen this coming."
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