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Goldman Jumps Shark, "Fundamentally" Shifts Its "Bearish" Outlook On Economy: Goes Bullish, Hikes Outlook

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Here comes the kitchen sink: just in case there was a chance the Fed's historic disclosure had a chance of pushing the market lower, almost to the dot at noon Goldman has completely sold out and has released a surprising (in its own words) report, changing its outlook on the US economy from bearish to bullish. Goldman's take on the dramatic nature of its perception shift: "This outlook represents a fundamental shift in the thinking that has
governed our forecast for at least the last five years...
Five years ago, we became very pessimistic about the US economic
outlook.  This was because we expected downturns in the housing and
mortgage markets to trigger a substantial increase in the private sector
financial balance—the gap between the total income and total spending
of US households and businesses.  In turn, we thought this weakening in
private-sector demand would cause an economic slowdown as the government
and foreign sectors failed to take up the slack. So why do we now expect growth to pick up?  In a nutshell, it is because
underlying demand has strengthened significantly, as shown in Exhibit
3.  This chart plots the growth rate of real GDP (dark line) alongside
the growth rate of underlying demand (light line).  After a deep
downturn from 2007 to mid-2009 and near-stagnation from mid-2009 to
mid-2010, underlying demand is now accelerating sharply.  Currently, it
is on track for a 5% (annualized) growth rate in the fourth quarter." Much more hopium inside. This is unfortunate. Jan Hatzius used to have credibility.

From the just distributed email to clients:

  • The US growth
    outlook has brightened significantly in recent weeks.   As a result, we
    have raised our sights for 2011, calling for real GDP growth to average
    2.7% for the year versus 2.0% previously.   We expect growth to pick up
    further in 2012—to 3.6% on average for the year—though judgments that
    far out are clearly tentative.
  • The main reason: recent data reveal a firmer trend in domestic final
    demand and suggest that it will be sustained via improvements in net
    hiring and credit availability.  Meanwhile, the downside risk of a
    material tightening in federal fiscal policy—i.e., failure to extend
    expiring tax cuts—has diminished significantly.
  • Although our revised outlook implies a meaningful drop in the jobless
    rate, it will remain high by historical standards, ending 2012 at about
    8½%.  With other measures of utilization also likely to show significant
    excess capacity, we expect core inflation to remain at the ½%
    year-to-year rate in 2012 that we have been forecasting for year-end
  • In turn, this means that the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) is
    unlikely to increase the federal funds rate in 2011 and will probably
    stay on hold in 2012 as well.  The future of unconventional easing is a
    much closer call.  On balance, we think that Fed officials will buy more
    assets after the $600bn already committed.  But we have scaled back our
    cumulative expectation for QE2 to $1trn from $2trn, and it is also
    possible that the program will end at $600bn.
  • Risks exist on both sides.  On the downside, we worry most that renewed
    home price declines—now expected to fall 5% or a bit more over the next
    year—will cause another round of consumer retrenchment; risks of a
    financial spillover from European debt woes and of significant fiscal
    tightening at home also lurk.  On the upside: cash-rich companies may be
    more willing to spend on capital equipment or to expand payrolls than
    we now anticipate.

The US growth outlook has brightened significantly in recent weeks.  As a
result, in conjunction with revisions and extensions of our global
outlook into 2012 being published today, we have upgraded our US view,
as detailed in Exhibit 1 below.  In particular:

1.     We have raised our sights for US growth in 2011 and expect
further acceleration in real GDP in 2012.  Specifically, our revised
view calls for growth to remain at last quarter’s 2.5% annual rate
through early 2011 and then increase over the next year to a 4% annual
rate.  On an annual average basis, we now expect real GDP to increase
2.7% (annual average basis) in 2011, versus 2.0% previously, and to
increase 3.6% in 2012.  These changes put us slightly above the latest
Blue Chip median for 2011 (2.5% in early November) and—we suspect—above
the median for 2012, to be published in January.

2.     As a result, we now expect the jobless rate to fall to about 8½%
by year-end 2012.  This is implied by Okun’s law on the assumption that
potential growth is currently about 2½%.  (Okun’s law—which is really a
rule of thumb that fits the data quite well—states that the unemployment
rate will fall by half the difference between actual and potential
growth over a one-year period.).  Most of this decline occurs in 2012;
over the four quarters of 2011 we expect only a marginal reduction from
the current 9.6% rate, to about 9¼%.

3.     Core inflation should remain low, at about ½% (year-to-year),
through 2012.  At 0.6% as of October, the CPI core inflation rate has
nearly reached this point already, well ahead of schedule.  The core
price index for personal consumption expenditures (core PCE index) has a
bit more to go, but is also clearly decelerating.  Although we expect
growth to rise materially above its potential rate over the next two
years, the US economy will still be operating with considerable slack
throughout the period—in the labor market and in other productive
resources.  This should keep core inflation from rising, while stable
expectations of inflation keep it from falling below zero.

4.     Monetary policy will remain highly accommodative.  With the
unemployment and core inflation rates continuing to run much weaker than
their “mandate-consistent” levels (5%-6% for the jobless rate; just
under 2% for inflation) throughout the forecast period, increases in
interest rates are highly unlikely in 2011 and, we think, also in 2012. 
The outlook for LSAPs is less clear, as strong growth will stiffen the
resistance from some members of the FOMC to extend this policy while
large shortfalls vis-à-vis the committee’s employment and inflation
objectives prompt others to press for more.  On balance, we expect more
LSAPs, but cumulating only to $1trn (versus $2trn previously), and we
are not very confident of this call.

This outlook represents a fundamental shift in the thinking that has governed our forecast for at least the last five years.  Accordingly, a short review of the evolution of that thinking will help set the stage for what has now changed:

Five years ago, we became very pessimistic about the US economic outlook.  This was because we expected downturns in the housing and mortgage markets to trigger a substantial increase in the private sector financial balance—the gap between the total income and total spending of US households and businesses.  In turn, we thought this weakening in private-sector demand would cause an economic slowdown as the government and foreign sectors failed to take up the slack.

(As a matter of accounting, the financial balances of the private, public, and foreign sectors must sum to zero, as all spending generates an equivalent amount of income.  However, as a matter of intention this identity need not hold.  In the short run, differences between intentions and actual outcomes are resolved by unintended movements in inventory investment, one component of private-sector spending.  Over time, the differences are resolved by shifts in production—up if intended spending exceeds income, thereby causing inventory investment to fall short of the desired rate, and down in the opposite situation.)

Over the following three years, the private-sector balance rose sharply, as shown in Exhibit 2.  The 12.5-point move from -3.9% of GDP in mid-2006 to +8.6% in mid-2009 triggered the deepest recession in post World War II US history.

In 2009, the private-sector surplus began to shrink.  However, we maintained a below-consensus view, predicting that real GDP growth would slow to a below-trend pace during 2010.  We reasoned that the incipient reversal in the private-sector balance and the upswing in GDP it produced were due to temporary factors—namely, the fiscal stimulus enacted in February 2009 and the positive inventory cycle, which probably would not have kicked in without the strong growth support from fiscal (and monetary) stimulus.  With underlying final demand—i.e., the growth in GDP less the fiscal and inventory effects—still stagnant, we thought the US economy would slow during 2010, as indeed it did.

So why do we now expect growth to pick up?  In a nutshell, it is because underlying demand has strengthened significantly, as shown in Exhibit 3.  This chart plots the growth rate of real GDP (dark line) alongside the growth rate of underlying demand (light line).  After a deep downturn from 2007 to mid-2009 and near-stagnation from mid-2009 to mid-2010, underlying demand is now accelerating sharply.  Currently, it is on track for a 5% (annualized) growth rate in the fourth quarter.

Why such a sharp acceleration?  Our explanation is that the pace of private-sector deleveraging is slowing in an environment of somewhat lower debt/income ratios, improving credit quality, and moderating lending standards.  In turn, the rise in spending relative to income is starting to generate positive multiplier effects via a stronger labor market, and this is feeding back into stronger income growth.  Thus, we have also seen a notable improvement in jobless claims and (at least through October) in nonfarm payrolls.

At the same time, one downside risk has diminished significantly.  Although Congress has yet to enact a formal extension of the tax cuts scheduled to expire at the end of this month, both parties seem anxious to avoid the renewed downturn in economic activity that would likely occur if most of these cuts were not extended.  Meanwhile, state income and sales tax revenues are now on the rise; this may reduce the fiscal restraint imposed by this sector as it begins its next budget round in the spring.

In short, the improved tone of the US economic data has convinced us that the partial reversal of the 2006-2009 private-sector retrenchment that began in 2009 has evolved into a more durable trend.  To borrow Chairman Bernanke’s metaphor, the hand-off from policy stimulus to private demand—which seemed elusive just a couple of months ago—now appears to be developing.  Over the next two years we now expect the private-sector balance to fall from +6.5% in the third quarter of 2010 to 4.5% in the fourth quarter of 2012.

As we adopt a more constructive view of US growth prospects, it is important to emphasize what we are not saying:

1.     We are not saying the US economy is about to embark on a V-shaped recovery.   For one thing, it’s a bit late for that, given that recovery is more than a year old.  More importantly, we believe that the drags from reduced inventory investment and fiscal tightening will keep real GDP growth at a moderate pace of 2½% in the next couple of quarters.  And even the 4% growth pace that we expect for much of 2012 is quite moderate relative to typical postwar recoveries.

2.     We are not saying that deleveraging is over.  We still expect private-sector debt/income ratios to decline further.  But it is the pace of deleveraging—which corresponds to the level of the private sector balance—that matters for GDP.  As the pace of deleveraging slows, the private sector balance falls, and this implies a positive impulse to GDP growth.

3.     We are not saying that US housing prospects have improved materially.  The residential real estate market still sits under an enormous overhang of unoccupied units.  As a result, home prices have weakened after the temporary lift provided by the homebuyer tax credit, and sales of new units remain depressed.  Under these circumstances, builders are apt to see only tepid growth in activity.

4.     We are not saying that the economy will feel good from a “Main Street” perspective.  As already noted, we only expect a gradual decline in unemployment as growth moves above trend, to 9¼% by the end of 2011 and 8½% by the end of 2012.  This is still very high by any absolute standard and far above our 5½% estimate of the structural unemployment rate.

With so much slack in the system, inflation is likely to stay well below the Fed’s “mandate-consistent” level of just under 2%, as noted above.  This implies that Fed officials will continue to miss both parts of their dual mandate by large margins, and are apt to keep monetary policy very accommodative as a result.  Even with our new forecasts, and even if we take into account the quantitative and fiscal policy easing that has already occurred, our analysis of the Fed’s reaction function implies that rate hikes are very unlikely in 2011 and—based on our economic forecasts—will probably not occur in 2012 either.

The future of LSAPs is a much closer call.  Barring very large surprises in the economic data, we are convinced that Fed officials will complete their $600bn purchase program.  But the pickup in growth and the backlash against this program, both at home and abroad have made us more uncertain about further purchases beyond June.  On balance, we think that Fed officials will still buy more, pushing the total amount up to perhaps $1 trillion.  But it is also possible that LSAPs will end at $600bn.

Like any forecast, this one has risks on both sides.  On the downside, the risk that worries us most is the potential for a significant renewed drop in home prices to trigger another round of consumer retrenchment.  We have been estimating that prices would drop only 2½%-3½% over the next couple of years, but as the passage of time allows us to pin down the effects of the homebuyer tax credit more precisely, we now estimate that prices could drop 5% or a bit more over the next year.  This still looks manageable, but sharper declines could change the picture fairly quickly.

The risk that currently worries markets the most is the potential for contagion from the European debt crisis.  We agree that the US economy is vulnerable to these events, but probably only if it affects financial conditions via a materially stronger dollar, lower equity prices, and/or renewed stress in the interbank lending market.  Finally, although prospects of a fiscal accident at home have diminished significantly, they have not disappeared altogether.  Stalemate in Washington would pose an obvious, and large, risk to the near-term growth outlook.

On the upside, the main risk is that we have misjudged companies’ willingness to spend, either on physical capital or to expand their workforces.  In terms of capital spending, outlays for equipment and software have risen much more over the past year than we had anticipated.  Much of this appears to be a short replacement cycle for high-tech equipment, and we therefore expect some slowing in the near term as the replacement cycle winds down and utilization rates for other equipment and for structures remain low.  But with private demand now picking up steam, cash-rich companies may surprise us by expanding or modernizing productive capacity more aggressively.  They could also hire more permanent workers than we now expect.

It is also conceivable that the fiscal negotiations currently underway between the Obama administration and the Republican congressional leadership produce unexpected growth-positive outcomes.  A payroll tax holiday is one commonly mentioned measure, and unemployment benefits could also be extended for longer than the three months we now anticipate.


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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:28 | 768447 Dismal Scientist
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'It is also conceivable that the fiscal negotiations currently underway between the Obama administration and the Republican congressional leadership produce unexpected growth-positive outcomes.'

Good luck with that. I would have said it was more 'inconceivable', personally.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:32 | 768471 CPL
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Just look at that big old bounce market wise.  Zero volume and, dang, instant recovery on the markets.


Has anyone today actually attempted to buy anything?  Seriously.  All the guys I know aren't touching anything right now, even the two or three with HFT's.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:47 | 768561 hambone
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I bought more SLV yesterday...first trade I've made in a month.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:42 | 768881 BikeGuy5
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I'm a fundamental investor and have been nearly fully invested since June.

Look at some of the big Pharma companies, tobacco companies, and

tech companies.  They have great earnings and lots of cash.

Many are buying back their stocks.

In the past few weeks, BAC has had several insiders buying stock. 

I agree with this, though a rocky ride, will continue to rise.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:27 | 769142 dnarby
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...Was that a bell?

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 09:01 | 771335 Thomas
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"Five years ago, we became very pessimistic about the US economic outlook."

In 2005 they were out on the airwaves warning us of an impending downturn? You betcha. 

I am long tobacco and energy, but to call me a bull would be a serious stretch. I think we are hosed, for the most part. Of course, Goldman would never lie.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:29 | 768452 spekulatn
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Zig when they zag.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:58 | 769572 erik
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Netflix day trade alert.

Intra-day reversal mimics 05/13, 08/17, 09/30.  Red candle on top of ramping peak.  Every time this has happened Netflix gapped lower and finished red the next day.

If the ECB weren't meddling tomorrow, I would take this trade in size, but the ECB is unpredictable.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:29 | 768455 wreynol4
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:30 | 768459 Robslob
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Bullish when they are bearish and bearish when they are bullish...wait...fuck

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:30 | 768464 CPL
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It's probably from all those porno scanners and opportunities to touch other people's junk at bus stations now.  Everything looks bullish when there is all that free T&A to be had.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:32 | 768473 shushup
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Doesn't Goldman trade against the advice it gives it's customers?

And if they were wrong/bearish during 06 & 07 then they can certainly be wrong now. And they are.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:42 | 768536 erik
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Exactly.  They had a bearish outlook for the past 5 years according to this piece.  That means late 2005 they started their bearish tilt.  That was 2 years early in stock market terms.

If they are early on this call, then we have 2 years of caution in front of us.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:11 | 769383 Worker Bee
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3.Arrange to have your lawn mowed by newly impoverished serfdom.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 21:40 | 770436 Bob
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I did a double take, WTF on that as well--it's also baldly untrue that GS was issuing bearish guidance in 2005.  Memory hole bullshit. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:34 | 768483 buzzsaw99
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Jan the man.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:42 | 768538 reading
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Jan's got one bullet left to try to hit that 1250 year end target...looks like he fired it we'll see if he's got any aim

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:38 | 769498 AccreditedEYE
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Never trust a Squid... ever.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:34 | 768489 element115
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Glad to see everything so healthy and robust. Wake me up when they stop QEx and ZIRP.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:51 | 768498 revenue_anticip...
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Dont fight THIS, coordinated by Goldman/Fed:  They pre-announce a freebie, ride the tide...that raises ALL boats...analogy of QE1 end of Feb 2009...pedal to the floor...

but it is EUROPE that is to be 'saved' by the USA Fed...'swap lines guaranted, no matter how many trillion, this time infinite....

Commerical US banks, too, probably told "dont place your bets against this coordinated action and maybe...the civil/criminal charges THAT WE HAVE BEEN HOLDING OFF ON...will STAY in abeyance..."  

European block must really, REALLY be bad...Europe, henceforth an open vassel-block to the USA...but Great Britain, non-Euro...gets full partnership..Political/economic 'reorganization under bankruptcy'....


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:35 | 768502 john_connor
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Fitting for a wave 5 up.  Public participation should reach an extreme within the month due to the brainwashing.

After that, look out.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:43 | 768550 erik
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I agree.  This next stock push should be enough to bring retail investors into the market.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:08 | 768995 fiddler_on_the_roof
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But what can you do if the next stock crash is accompanied by leaking dollar.

very soon it will come to get out of Stocks(whatever one has) and move to straight Gold.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:33 | 769717 erik
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yeah, scary to go into any trade like gold/silver because they have ramped up so much, but an ECB QE announcement tomorrow all but forces you to do so.  if everyone is going to print, then gold/silver are going to win.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:36 | 768503 Sophist Economicus
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Excellent!   Now everybody's in the growth bandwagon.    Time to short!!!!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:36 | 768507 LongSoupLine
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looks like GS is done buying up all it's downgrades on the cheap.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:41 | 768532 AR15AU
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Goldman sez inflation is growth. New bull market. Who knew?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:49 | 768580 Internet Tough Guy
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Zactly right.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:44 | 768551 TruthInSunshine
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Time to short the fucking PIG of a market, and how (i.e. with leverage).

Abby Joseph Cohen must have come out of her troglodyte cave and saw her shadow.


Goldman Sachs would never steer the broader audience wrong. I love all their calls.




Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:46 | 768564 the grateful un...
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don't worry Main Street, no Hopium for you

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:14 | 769399 Worker Bee
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Who needs hopium when we have Ipads and tee vee for as far as the eye can see! I consume therefore...China is.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:46 | 768565 belogical
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Things must be really bad. They dump the FED data, announce the IMF shit and Goldman thinks good times have come again. 

Look how their throwing everything and kitchen sink in, their scared and they should be if this thing collapses, your gonna see politicians hung by their gonads and they'll deserve it 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:46 | 768567 No Mas
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Things are looking better all the time.  It is good to come to ZH and catch up on the news of those who seem to be overreacting to almost every bit of news out there.

Please remind me of the riots that will destroy Greece, France and the UK before anymore drivel about the Irish.  Europe and the Euro will be just fine with the help of the ECB and our Fed.  Don't like it?  Well, you're entitled but that doesn't alter reality.

GS has this one nailed - 5% GDP 4Q.  Bank on it.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:51 | 768591 Internet Tough Guy
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Everythings coming up roses eh? But just how will Europe be fine? Will ben take their debt on the fed's books too?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:35 | 769198 hedgeless_horseman
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Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:48 | 768577 Turd Ferguson
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As long as the Fed keeps monetizing $100B/month, you'd be crazy to get in the way.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:59 | 768646 TruthInSunshine
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Those words are like echoes from 2007/2008.

"Don't short Bernanke" back then was a common refrain!


Bombs Away!!!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:48 | 768582 sabra1
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this was Goldmans "tweet" to their elitest friends to short this market dry! just watch!!!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:10 | 768709 Randall Cabot
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Surely you can't be serious?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:21 | 768755 Turd Ferguson
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I already miss Leslie.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:57 | 768629 Oh regional Indian
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1984 = 2010

Some current examples of doublespeak... classic, just like this GS hit-piece. Or is it anti-hit?

physical persuasion or physical pressuretorture

defensewar, as in the United States Department of Defense, formed by the merging of the Department of War and Department of the Navy


troublemaker, treasonist, criminal, terrorist, unpatriotic: often names for rebel, revolutionary, or folk heroes, especially by oppressive governments



Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:03 | 768671 Client 9
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Most of you are just pissed off because this means you will never see $1400/oz of fool's gold ever again.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:15 | 768728 hambone
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By "never" do you mean by days end or weeks end?  Gold won't go down unless government actually constructively faces the unfacable.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:03 | 768672 boeing747
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Chinese Newspaper "People's Daily" hints 'Goldman Sach' was behind 5% drop of ShangHai stock index on Nov 12.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:04 | 768681 RobotTrader
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Tim "You Have Been Warned" Wood must be scratching his head.

New highs on the transports.


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:20 | 768754 HarryWanger
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Robo - just turned international licensing deal over to our attorneys for the final stamp of approval. In this final meeting, our buyers were giddy about expanding our reach. They have seen "dramatic" improvements this fall. 

Remember when I reported this from Detroit last month and people thought I was "lying/crazy/fraud", etc.? 

What you need to do is listen to people like me, small business selling consumer discretionary. Not only are we expanding internationally, we'll be adding more positions as well. This report comes as no surprise on this end. I've been seeing it for months now.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:11 | 769018 fiddler_on_the_roof
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Keep posting Harry since I follow you. But always remember everything can "turn on a dime".

Remember 2008 ? How swift was that crash in everything.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:24 | 769445 Minion
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Isn't it funny how the ZH doomers get roasted again, and Wanger called it. And their only recourse is the JUNK BUTTON.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:11 | 769481 -273
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And it's good news the oil price rose 3% today is it? That's at least 6000 products which just got more expensive.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:08 | 768695 Randall Cabot
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Why so surprised? Abby Cohen Joseph has been bullish all along.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:11 | 768717 hambone
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According to GS, we (everyone?) will never deal with unfunded issues and debt and there will never be any ramification.

Rising wages or increased buying power?  Nope, just expect consumers to run up more credit to leverage up (and not to save...could be right there?)

Interest rates for homes lowering? Nope, but I thought in a recovery interest rates for T's and thus mortgage rates are rising and will rise further. 

More construction or homebuilding?  No, too large an overhang.  Remind me which industry (in America) will lead this reduction in unemployment?

Fewer homebuyers to mop up large #'s of REO from Fred, Fan, FHA, etc.?  Somehow fewer homebuyers with flat income facing higher standards and downpayment req's will keep housing relatively flat at -5%?

Somehow no slowdown in deficit spending...somehow no rate increases...somehow no issue to raise debt ceiling...somehow all the increasing input costs don't create falling earnings and/or increasing consumer prices...somehow all this good stuff happening and Fed will likely follow w/ QE3...somehow all kinds of shit is overlooked and GS is now constructive. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:23 | 768766 pazmaker
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Looks Like Harry Wanger maybe right?  Dow up 237!!!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:31 | 768815 jmc8888
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This is written like a college student who is unsure of what he is saying. 

I love these words

4 'coulds'

3 'mays'

3 'thinks' (not thinking)

2 'shoulds'

2 'seems or seemed'

1 'appears'

1 chart that apparantly beats them all, and tells all, and what it tells is it's all good about everything...forever???

.....and a printing press rolling as fast as you can.

WOW, Jan, are you going to go all 'marsha marsha marsha' when it's all wrong?

This is the sort of language to convey the POWER of the markets on the upswing?  It's all in the words, at least the infomercials used to say. 

How anyone could take advice like this as solid from such wishy washy feelings is beyond me.  Even though he's trying to sound bullish, you can tell that something isn't letting him go full out, like his subconscious?

Of course, these are the words to describe, what ZH has aptly stated as another case of 'jumping the shark'. 



Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:32 | 768823 Thanatos
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This is just noise.

TPTB are using "buffer overflow" techniques to break the OODA loops of anyone who tries to analyze what is going on.

They get inside your loop (decision cycle) by presenting information in high volumes and timing each release provide maximal cycle interupt effects.

Once we reach saturation, we can no longer "orient" ourselves and have no idea which way is "up" (truth) thus our decisions become inneffective.


Defict Reccomendations

FED Data

Euro Zone (Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, UK, Germany?)

Food Safety Act


I can go on, you get the point.

There is something sneaking past us right now... Something BIG.

We all have our heads buried in the latest crop of paper chase, trying to figure out what happened and who was the biggest criminal...

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:54 | 768933 jomama
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the good news is this is getting predictable.

the bad news is what it actually means.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:17 | 769056 thepigman
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The real market p/e is 22 (and that's counting the TBTF banks as having real earnings which is bullshit), so now that Goldman's gone bullish, they must want retail in there to take this overpriced garbage off their hands. An economy this stagnant at Goldman's 2-3% growth forecast is worth an 11-12 p/e at best historically, so it's already been ramped to twice what it's worth...whether you're bearish or bullish, you're overpaying by a huge margin.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:30 | 769145 linrom
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:32 | 769182 bbtrader
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Too much time and energy is put toward fretting about what Goldman Sachs says.  Who really cares what they say anymore?

Better to watch Goldman Sachs stock and go short if it breaks below $150.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:43 | 769249 ElvisDog
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Oh, really.... So the experts at GS predicted the housing bubble and mortgage mess back in 2005. What a load of crap. The truth is that you made a ton of money over the past 3-4 years by doing exactly the opposite of what GS publicly advised.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:57 | 769257 -273
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Whilst the various knock on effects are non-linear and unpredictable the main storyline is quite simple: Since it seems we have passed the peak of conventional crude oil production, any economic recovery will mean an increase in the oil price until the high oil prices kill the global economy again.

Rinse and repeat to a continuously descending lower standard of living for the majority of people on the planet.

There is not a single mention of the effect high oil prices will have and which will occur if there is a proper economic recovery, therefore this report is completely irrelevant.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:48 | 769533 Thanatos
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+ 100

There is not a single mention of the effect high oil prices will have and which will occur if there is a proper economic recovery, therefore this report is completely irrelevant.

Haha.. Exactly.

Today while the markets were gassing themselves up ever higher... Oil was climbing right along side.

How is it that all these idiots can go giddy like little girls when they see a PE ratio improve while NOT A DAMN THING has changed in the real world.

The whole thing rides on rails made of oil... It's going up in smoke at record rates... For what I can't begin to discern.

I need to put this interweb thing down for a while.. It's just the same ol shit all the time. Most don't get it. Those that do are so wounded already they are not viable enough to fight back against it.

Find a nice comfy Lazy Boy, pull up a bucket of popcorn and watch the SHTF... It's all thats left.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:00 | 769578 -273
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You seem to understand it though man (as do a lot of cats on ZH), so some hope can be derived from that.



Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:32 | 769479 pazmaker
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and we see more and more MSM articles like this:

it's close to impossible to get ahead in this matrix and people are starting to realize it.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 20:16 | 770253 siamtwin
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and Kim Jong Il will be dressed as Santa Claus at a mall near you...

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