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An interesting read. Did I miss the part on the continuous shedding of jobs due to a deflationary spiral brought about by increasing unemployment, decreasing demand, and decreasing tax revenues, leading to higher tax rates.
A depression, not a cyclical recession.
I'll take the under on the GS prediction of -25K. They were busy shorting the market today IMO and will likely make a bundle when the S & P drops 50 handles tomorrow. Who in their right mind would go clown long for the weekend given what's happened in the last 2 days?
This market is the Street holding government hostage. Either stop trying to regulate me and resume feeding me with easy credit or I'm going all the way down.
It will be a double dip only because of trillions of dollars of fake money but they will have to admit its a depression after the next dip finally...
Has anyone done the math on how the 800K+ job loss adjustment will affect the numbers ?
The real number is 1.7 million+ off but they wont do the other current 900K+ adjustment until a year from now I guess.
I don't think it will be V or U rather \______/
that's a B from bathtub
And now even deadhead is pissing on us. Wasn't the gov pissing on us enough for you, man? :-)
The frying pan recession.
These boyz still have their rear view mirrors working......keying off the " past recessionary cycles ".
They will never, never ever concede to the structural depression until all four tires have shredded. And so it is.... they'll just keep driving and constructing hunch recovery forecasts.
......keying off the " past recessionary cycles
goldman talking its book. the V has already begun, its just not a straight V
dow will finish year at 12,000. too much liquidity. hatzius can suck my u-shaped nuts
good luck with that
thanks. i made the dow 11k call jan 15 2009. granted there was a decent drawdown, but the result was nearly spot on.
you gold bugs have no thesis if stocks dont inflate.
Wow, you're amazing...are you a real quant trader? I mean wow.
Ummm, btw how do you know who's a gold bug?
Ahahah. Really? Reeeeeaaalllly?
Have you ever been on this site?
But if so, it won't be priced in dollars, it will be priced in some new currency.
All the old ones are dead paper walking.
What ? I think we see dow 5000 before we ever see dow 12000 - 10 years or more from now....
I think you have one too many zero's in that DOW 12000 prediction.
Ssshhh, no one tell Leo.
It will be neither a U or a V, it will be a \____/\______________.
it wont be a U. It will be a:
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The Zerohedge museum of fine arts....
Nice. Lotsa artistry in that bird...
Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
Duly copied and emailed on to legions. Well done!
I believe that's a F-U shaped recession! Nice!
It's a trap.
Herbert Obama Hoover
A veeee recovery "___/\___"
it will be toilet shaped.
It will be 'coffin' shaped.
The letter they need to get familiar with is the letter L
as in the next drop will bottom and stay at a lower level
|____ WELCOME TO A STEADY STATE ECONOMY
where Frugality is the new Reality
anon 218267 , nail on head.
LOL yea, in what font exactly does a "U" look like \__________________/
Someone please help me with this...If the FED keeps interest rates at near ZERO for 2010 and 2011 like this note says, isnt that a virtual guarantee for MAJOR INFLATION? I understand we have deflation now, but it seems like we are being set up so when we finally leave the deflationary spiral, we just enter into an inflationary one right after. What do you think?
Who says it will ever recover? Every day that passes oil gets drained out of the planetary tank and with no economic activity, there is no funding for the supposed miracle that will replace it in 18 wheelers.
Planet Earth, sans oil, can support about 900 million humans. There are 6.8B now.
Hey a peak-oiler (i.e ultra-doomer!) Man this community is great - like everyone is here now!
It will be an IV recession.
As the market tanks and all hell breaks loose again, the next round of Fed QE will be restrained at $6+ trillion (a nod to hawks). That's Hoover-level tight policy given this calamity (Great Depression only had a one-decade bubble, we had 3). So down we'll go again after a bear rally unless the Fed is willing to go ~ $15+ trillion with US sovereign to AA+.
Lets be honest: at this point, things are unravelling again. No one knows how far or how long the unraveling will go, or, over what time course. I don't believe this depression is comparable to the generic post-war recessions because of the collapse of the housing market, the banking system, and the job market. The sovereign debt explosion to buffer the economic collapse just complicates the time course of the depression. In short, there is no sign of a self sustaining recovery, although, some companies are doing well and have lots of cash and competitive moats (tech). But as the unravelling continues. people are forced to sell to cover margin calls and losses in other positions. So quality of a position doesn't matter in a sharp downdraft. People are forced to sell.
And gold? They are forced to sell GOLD?!?! Jeezus.
Like zerohedge has... Not espoused, spam and bullets.
Not a U, an eff-U.
If you're going to reprint bullshit from Goldman then I think you owe it to the readers to include all the Goldman disclaimers.
Here’s some Goldman insight from Marc Faber “after his recent and widely disseminated quip on CNBC that ‘Obama makes Bush look like a genius.’" It's from Faber lashes out — again | ft.com/alphaville | Feb. 3, 2010.
FT quotes Faber’s latest GloomBoomDoom market commentary on "how the US can get out of its debt trap." Says FT: “The irrepressible pundit concludes that the US has basically two choices: default on obligations or massively monetize US debts and reduce the debt through inflation.” Here's Faber:
The baleful reality is that big banks, the freakish offspring of the Fed’s easy money, are dangerous institutions, deeply embedded in a bull market culture of entitlement and greed…..
During the recent quarter, for instance, the preponderance of Goldman Sachs’ revenues came from trading in bonds, currencies and commodities. But these profits were no evidence of Mr Market doing God’s work, greasing the wheels of commerce and trade by facilitating productive financial transactions.
In fact, they represented the fruits of hyperactive gambling in the Fed’s monetary casino – a place where the inside players obtain their chips at no cost from the Fed-controlled money markets, and are warned well in advance, by obscure wording changes in the Fed’s policy statements, about any pending shift in the gambling odds.
To be sure, the most direct way to cure the banking systems’ ills would be to return to a rational monetary policy based on sensible interest rates, and an end to frantic monetization of federal debt and a stable exchange value for the dollar.”
What if the Fed tried to sell assets and no one was interested in buying?
I'm sure Marla is all over it. It's really getting fun now.
From Jan Hatzius on December 28, 2009
"Hatzius, 41, estimates the economy will expand 2.4 percent in 2010, and his 2.5 percent first-quarter growth forecast is half the pace Maki anticipates...the Goldman team forecasts "subpar growth" next year because "employers will be reluctant to hire" and households will exhibit "a bias toward higher saving."
The number tomorrow has to be a + print and thus it will be. Rally time!!!!!
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