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REITdiculus. This has been obvious for a while now. I guess GS acquired their shorts on the Reits, and is now queing dumb money.
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Does GS understand that all their research reports just make people wonder whether the prop desk is trading with or against them?
Any value in the reports is lost because of that. And I do think some of the reports still have value, it's just impossible to figure out which ones...
Yeah, just like the shell game on the corner.
gee, they were just bullish on reits two weeks ago and they underwrote all the secondaries, 3rdaries, and 4thdaries that trash bins like SPG put out.
Not anything new I guess. They packaged and sold real estate sludge to the world, had the unmitigated audacity to brag they were not infected by it, and then shorted everything they created and sold.
Did the same thing with all the Muni bonds they underwrote for the last three years too.
What's the best way to find out who underwrote secondary offerings?
It is always mentioned in the SEC filings who the lead underwriters are.
If you read any of the books from the 90's (Liar's Poker, Fiasco, Wall St. Meat, Monkey Business), this is all playing out the same fashion. Banks make money by blowing up their customers -- not always, but they work twice as hard to unload bad paper onto someone else. Pump and Dump helps them achieve that with bad quality assets.
of course!..after the secondary's are done now they turn on them.
I guess it's time to get a few more people into SRS and then squeeze the $hit out of them.
That's right. You can't tell if they are bullshiting or not to suck more in.
Better to wait than short just yet.
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BB&T To Buy Colonial BancGroup -
how do you calc a Cap rate again Tyler?
"While the worst of the current US recession appears to have passed"
Current recession, eh? Is this part of the strategy of "the recession has ended", and then we have another, deeper one?
CRE value decline slowing. Must already be in recovery, using CNBC and Administration math.
08-14 13:03: US Commercial real-estate values fall 6.9% in Q2 vs. 10.8% decline in Q1, according IPD
GS speakath with forked tongue
Recession is over, sell the news!!!!
is anyone here not expecting a massive hideous cre bailout? i think that could account for some of the reit euphoria.
I'm not. The people who are holding commercial real estate are not bankers or unionized. There is no benefit to be gained to bailing them out.
"Real" equity in most REITs are below 0. Assets minus liabilities.
They survive on cash flow from poor tenants stuck with recourse rent.
It will revert to reality at some point.
It's unbelivable what we let these criminals get away w/... as the next reply says.. (Blackstone)
It was GS and Mother Merrill who pumped this sector. Now they're worried about valuations? Too funny for words.
Congress just does not understand they there are on the shamwow end of Glengary Glen Ross.
Can't wait to see how many $100M days GS has on the short side this quarter
So long as the consumer is deleveraging, saving in "lazy" portfolios of bonds, cash, MM's and CDs, batting a cautious eye to cost, and losing their jobs, the RE market, in general, will suck. That's the cost of a consumer nation where 70% of GDP is consumer spending.
Once the Fed stops pumping trillions into the market and buying up treasury securities, credit markets will likely stop again because the banks don't trust the people they preyed off of to be suckers anymore, partially because they learned a lesson, at least the semi-smart ones, and / or they lost their jobs and income. The Fed has become the risk-taker in this market, and people have been bullish on a Fed-backed liquidity wet dream. They're quickly coming to the end of their ropes though, and one wonders when in the next months that will come to an end.
So, GS is already short the REITs and their Bonds?
Pump and dump in reverse. Yawn...
GS buying up OLP today, along with FCH and GBE.
Burning buildings will solve over-supply problem.
"California firefighters battling blazes that threaten more than 1,250 homes may be hampered by stiff winds and temperatures close to 100 degrees."
People can't even torch their NPL property correctly anymore:
While the worst of the current US recession appears to have passed, we caution that CRE trends are just starting to soften and will remain weak into 2011. Ok girls I said it now lets get back to the pep ralley. Goldman boys, they're the best, now get back out and steal the rest ...........
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