Goldman Sachs: REIT Valuation Back To "Bubble Levels"

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Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:46 | 36708 Anonymous
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Conviction buy list addition coming for CBL?

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 14:29 | 36807 inflationary (not verified)
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Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:46 | 36709 Daedal
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REITdiculus. This has been obvious for a while now. I guess GS acquired their shorts on the Reits, and is now queing dumb money.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:49 | 36713 Anonymous
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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 06:45 | 807470 Karston1234
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Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:49 | 36715 Anonymous
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what about Alt-A's and Option ARM's in addition to CRE?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 06:45 | 807472 Karston1234
Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:50 | 36717 Anonymous
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Does GS understand that all their research reports just make people wonder whether the prop desk is trading with or against them?

Any value in the reports is lost because of that. And I do think some of the reports still have value, it's just impossible to figure out which ones...

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:58 | 36727 JohnKing
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Yeah, just like the shell game on the corner.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:55 | 36723 Sardonicus
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gee, they were just bullish on reits two weeks ago and they underwrote all the secondaries, 3rdaries, and 4thdaries that trash bins like SPG put out.

Not anything new I guess.  They packaged and sold real estate sludge to the world, had the unmitigated audacity to brag they were not infected by it, and then shorted everything they created and sold.

Did the same thing with all the Muni bonds they underwrote for the last three years too.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 10:59 | 36729 Anonymous
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What's the best way to find out who underwrote secondary offerings?

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:07 | 36740 Sardonicus
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It is always mentioned in the SEC filings who the lead underwriters are.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:01 | 36731 Daedal
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If you read any of the books from the 90's (Liar's Poker, Fiasco, Wall St. Meat, Monkey Business), this is all playing out the same fashion. Banks make money by blowing up their customers -- not always, but they work twice as hard to unload bad paper onto someone else. Pump and Dump helps them achieve that with bad quality assets.



Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:03 | 36735 Anonymous
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of course!..after the secondary's are done now they turn on them.


Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:04 | 36737 Anonymous
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I guess it's time to get a few more people into SRS and then squeeze the $hit out of them.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 13:19 | 36963 Anonymous
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That's right. You can't tell if they are bullshiting or not to suck more in.
Better to wait than short just yet.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:11 | 36743 lizzy36
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Bank failure friday starting early?

FDIC Taking Colonial Into Receivership

BB&T To Buy Colonial BancGroup -

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:17 | 36749 Anonymous
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how do you calc a Cap rate again Tyler?

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:26 | 36755 SWRichmond
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"While the worst of the current US recession appears to have passed"

Current recession, eh?  Is this part of the strategy of "the recession has ended", and then we have another, deeper one?


Fri, 08/14/2009 - 14:16 | 37057 Gilgamesh
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CRE value decline slowing.  Must already be in recovery, using CNBC and Administration math.

08-14 13:03: US Commercial real-estate values fall 6.9% in Q2 vs. 10.8% decline in Q1, according IPD

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:26 | 36756 max2205
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GS speakath with forked tongue

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:27 | 36758 max2205
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Recession is over, sell the news!!!!

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:29 | 36762 e1even1
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is anyone here not expecting a massive hideous cre bailout? i think that could account for some of the reit euphoria.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 12:02 | 36833 Anonymous
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I'm not. The people who are holding commercial real estate are not bankers or unionized. There is no benefit to be gained to bailing them out.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 11:46 | 36799 Anonymous
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"Real" equity in most REITs are below 0. Assets minus liabilities.

They survive on cash flow from poor tenants stuck with recourse rent.

It will revert to reality at some point.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 14:29 | 36805 inflationary (not verified)
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It's unbelivable what we let these criminals get away w/... as the next reply says.. (Blackstone)

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Fri, 08/14/2009 - 12:01 | 36831 Anonymous
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It was GS and Mother Merrill who pumped this sector. Now they're worried about valuations? Too funny for words.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 12:32 | 36890 Ducky
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Congress just does not understand they there are on the shamwow end of Glengary Glen Ross.

Can't wait to see how many $100M days GS has on the short side this quarter

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 12:35 | 36894 Anonymous
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So long as the consumer is deleveraging, saving in "lazy" portfolios of bonds, cash, MM's and CDs, batting a cautious eye to cost, and losing their jobs, the RE market, in general, will suck. That's the cost of a consumer nation where 70% of GDP is consumer spending.

Once the Fed stops pumping trillions into the market and buying up treasury securities, credit markets will likely stop again because the banks don't trust the people they preyed off of to be suckers anymore, partially because they learned a lesson, at least the semi-smart ones, and / or they lost their jobs and income. The Fed has become the risk-taker in this market, and people have been bullish on a Fed-backed liquidity wet dream. They're quickly coming to the end of their ropes though, and one wonders when in the next months that will come to an end.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 12:46 | 36916 Milton
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So, GS is already short the REITs and their Bonds?

Pump and dump in reverse. Yawn...

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 13:10 | 36951 Gilgamesh
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GS buying up OLP today, along with FCH and GBE.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 13:54 | 37012 Anonymous
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Burning buildings will solve over-supply problem.

Via Bloomberg;

"California firefighters battling blazes that threaten more than 1,250 homes may be hampered by stiff winds and temperatures close to 100 degrees."

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 14:12 | 37044 Gilgamesh
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People can't even torch their NPL property correctly anymore:

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 17:11 | 37353 tahoebumsmith
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While the worst of the current US recession appears to have passed, we caution that CRE trends are just starting to soften and will remain weak into 2011. Ok girls I said it now lets get back to the pep ralley. Goldman boys, they're the best, now get back out and steal the rest ...........

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