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Goldman's Levitt Calls Obama's Gimmick To Keep GSEs Off The Balance Sheet "Shades Of Enron"

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A few days ago we made some observations on the just-announced nearly $4 trillion 2011 budget. The key point was that while the ugly numbers already looked like a superglued Frankenstein monster without a Kardasian botox treatment, or even simple lipstick, it would have been truly disastrous had the administration done what Peter Orzsag threatened he would do 2 years ago, namely bring the GSEs, Freddie and Fannie, on the government's balance sheet. How this is not the case yet is simply stunning: the GSEs enjoy not only the constant "bid of first refusal" courtesy of the Fed's MBS QE program, but an explicit Treasury guarantee that has no ceiling as of last Christmas eve. Bloomberg's Jonathan Weil today came to the same conclusion, although being a Bloomberg employee he was characteristically much more crass, uncouth and downright cynical than the paragon of respected journalistic patois that is the establishmentarian concept known as Zero Hedge. In an attempt to awake the morts out of their stupor, a pandering Weil uses such cheap tricks as hyperventilating allegory, sarcasm, and hyperbole when saying that  "[b]y all outward appearances, it seems
Obama and his budget wizards decided that including the
liabilities at Fannie and Freddie would be too much reality for
the world to handle. So they left the companies out, in a trick
worthy of Enron’s playbook, except not quite so hidden.
" Obviously, Bloomberg has an uphill struggle if its ever wishes to reach profitability (in the trillions of dollars that is... billions is so fin de pre-bailout siecle). We also fear for Weil's job prospects should he ever wish to find an occupation at such a highly respected place, where not only is there a 4 syllable word minimum but no sentences ever end in prepositions, as the Reuters blogosphere. Ironically, Bloomberg did redeem themselves somewhat later today, when in a Tom Keene interview, Goldman policy advisor Arthur Levitt is caught on tape performing more of the same hyperventilating, and in doing so blasting the administration, using the same Enron-esque analogy, when analyzing the paradox of the GSEs and the sovereign balance sheet.

The full transcript is below. We have bolded the relevant sections. We are more curious whether Levitt's expressed opinion is that of Levitt or of his employee, Goldman Sachs. Our money is on the latter. And when 85 Broad calls Obama's fiscal policy "Enron" you know the cold war between Goldman and Obama is getting warmer by the day.

GOLDMAN SACHS POLICY ADVISER ARTHUR LEVITT ON BLOOMBERG RADIO
 
     FEBRUARY 4, 2010
 
     SPEAKERS: ARTHUR LEVITT, POLICY ADVISOR, GOLDMAN SACHS
 
     TOM KEENE, HOST, 'BLOOMBERG SURVEILLANCE'
 
     KEN PREWITT, HOST, 'BLOOMBERG SURVEILLANCE'
 
     (This is not a legal transcript. Bloomberg LP cannot guarantee its accuracy.)
 
     07:37
 
     TOM KEENE, HOST, 'BLOOMBERG SURVEILLANCE': Right now, Arthur Levitt, Policy Advisor, Goldman Sachs, Bloomberg LP Board Member, Former Chairman of the SEC.
 
     Jonathan Weil out with a commentary this morning on the Bloobmerg of a $6.3 trillion essentially off balance sheet transaction. Should Fannie and Freddy be on the balance sheet? Should they be visible to the taxpayers?
 
     ARTHUR LEVITT, POLICY ADVISOR, GOLDMAN SACHS: Absolutely. It's an incredible article. He's absolutely right. Fannie and Freddie belong on the balance sheet if we're in an era of transparency.
 
     The White House is already forecasting $1.3 trillion budget deficit for 2011, which is about $3 of spending for every $2 of government receipts. Fannie and Freddie are wards of the State. Orszag already promised that that's where they should be. And he's not putting it there. Shades of Enron.
 
     KEENE: Really? That big a deal?
 
     LEVITT: It is that big a deal.
 
     KEENE: Shades of Enron?
 
     LEVITT: Absolutely.

 
     KEN PREWITT, HOST, 'BLOOMBERG SURVEILLANCE': So if Fannie and Freddie were on the government's balance sheet, everything would look even worse than it does now?
 
     LEVITT: Oh, considerably worse.

So you don't need the much respected Zero Hedge or the pandering pamphlet that is Bloomberg to get to the same conclusion as Goldman does - that Obama is currently engaged in massive "Enronesque" accounting fraud, which if fully reflecting the 140% debt/GDP reality would cause US CDS to trade side by side with those of Bulgaria.

 

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Fri, 02/05/2010 - 00:33 | 218483 Steve Dallas
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You know, Christo's Bulgarian... 

 

I wonder what he could have wrapped with all the documents Arthur Andersen shredded.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 00:39 | 218489 buzzsaw99
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GS really has room to badmouth Enron. [/sarcasm]

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 00:43 | 218493 Daedal
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My favorite GSE of all: GSe

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:33 | 218530 Master Bates
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That's some pretty funny shit! :)

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 08:51 | 218699 moneymutt
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so true, something about a pot talking to kettle comes to mind

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 11:54 | 219040 TheGoodDoctor
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Yeah honestly, that is what I was thinking too. It cracks me up. Now they are talking about Spain, Greece and Portugal on the news but yet somehow cannot connect the dots to the USA being in a similar situation. Hmmmmm odd don't you think?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 00:51 | 218500 tomdub_1024
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Let em go at it, GS and Govt, maybe enough bs will come out in the laundry for the Ovine to wakey-wake and help the reset button get pushed....meh...sorry, just an alcohol-induced fantasy...ne'er mind...

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:01 | 218502 Silver Bullet
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I must say, I'm submitting 'mort' as the word of the year for 2010.

I use it all the time now.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 11:03 | 218925 mikla
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+1

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:01 | 218503 Anonymous
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I wish Tyler would write in simple language so dumb like me would undrestand.

Would someone PLEASE translate this in simple einglish for me. Thanks

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:18 | 218513 Anonymous
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Simple English: Uncle Sam is pulling a Benron Bernanke slight, named after the second largest theft in mankind. A little trick to see if failure can indeed be rewarded all the while distracting the masses with a fabricated quarrel between GS and GSUSA.

This citizen promises bloody fucking hell the closer this bullshit gets to his national solvency.

You can lie cheat and steal if you are government but touch my liberty through the cowards on fraud street and I will end you one gold coin at a time.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:35 | 218572 Problem Is
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Very eloquent and concise anony...

May I add: Kabuki Theater.

Politicians and Wall Street lackeys in dresses and make up waddling on stage for performances as biatches...

One must do what one does best...

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:58 | 218545 Bear_Cub
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Basically, the O-team leaves off the potential losses of the GSE's (Fannie and Freddie most notably) in the budget. The government has already stated that it will financially back Fannie and Freddie; even if they lost a trillion dollars this year, taxpayers would be on the hook for it. Therefore, it would be more transparent to include the potential losses in the budget, something that the administration did not do because the Debt-GDP ratio would look even worse.

 

Who knows how much F/F could lose anyways? 300B? 500B? Maybe a trillion over a few years isn't improbable...

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:36 | 218674 MsCreant
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The killer of this is that Freddie/Fannie were, in the past, NOT EXPLICITLY BACKED BY THE GOV. It was in no contract, it was "assumed" though. This crisis forced the hand of that assumption. But we (tax payers) never contractually had to back these. While it was not explicitly backed, I could see the argument for not having it on the books. That argument NO LONGER EXISTS!!!!!

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 05:10 | 218629 Anonymous
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Simple English:

The government is practicing crooked acounting, and keeping housing prices completely unaffordable to protect the institutions who have placed bad bets.

If you're a young couple looking to buy a house, the government is forcing you to completely overpay by a factor of 10 and to enter a life of debt slavery, so that the powers-that-be can enjoy another decade of largess.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:06 | 218508 Anonymous
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Enron was JP Morgan Chase orchestration and not Goldman Sachs. Anyway we all know that GS is doing God's work.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:08 | 218509 Number 156
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I don't get it. GS is making money hand over fist from the taxpayer, (thank you Obama, Bush, et al...). What is that fool complaining about? Not to mention, the hypocrisy of complaining about 'accounting gimmicks'.  

Am I missing something, or is he trying to grow a layer of teflon?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:27 | 218521 Miles Kendig
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A classic example of attempting to deflate and deflect criticism and attention by focusing it upon someone else.  What makes this so excellent is that the reason Levitt and by extension GS know where to hit the current administration is because they are the ones who helped design and implement the whole process to begin with.  At great personal profit to themselves.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:27 | 218564 tomdub_1024
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if you keep the Ovine continuously turning in the the same mis-direction, they will continuously walk in circles, distracted from the real sleight of hand of the puppeteers, the circle growing ever smaller until enough cross the event horizon...but by then the wealth, and its appropiators, are gone to fairer climes...

Kettle, meet pot, play this long enough and we both can be outta the fire, and leave the mess for the Ovine to clean up.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:43 | 218538 Anonymous
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Smoke and mirrors. For PR sake GS and the current administration are publicly acting at odds -- while the deal shift continues. Was it just me or was it apparent ---the timing of the Obama "Get tough with banks talk" 2 hours after GS announced record earnings and Cash Bonus "cuts" (Replaced By Stock options with strikes valued two days later at $25 less than the market two days prior) We will know on this in six months time on where the GS stock price is.

Good point on the Freddie and Fannie debt to be added to the national debt ---The electorate are not on to this as well....What about AIG?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 01:49 | 218543 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Hegelian dialectic; Create smoke and fire, and say that someone else did it..  

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:04 | 218550 Cistercian
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 That was one of the funniest intros ever Tyler.Most excellent form!

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:17 | 218560 Problem Is
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"superglued Frankenstein monster without a Kardasian botox treatment..."

I love "Caustic" Tyler. When I make comments like that, people think I am obnoxious...

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:28 | 218566 tomdub_1024
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could be worse, ya know...:)

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:38 | 218575 Problem Is
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You mean... maybe I AM obnoxious?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 03:10 | 218595 tomdub_1024
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obnoxious not so bad, I mean, SOMEone has to push the envelope, and those smart enough will recognize the intent...:) If one is reality based, obnoxious just alerts one to a previously unknown opinion, tangent, etc., that may be worthwhile chewing over.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 03:14 | 218603 tomdub_1024
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some of my favorite commentators on ZH are totally obnoxious and caustic, those are the ones that make me think....which is why I am here to begin with, to think, and not be Ovine.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 03:18 | 218605 tomdub_1024
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my wife informed me that I am obnoxious....so what do i know...:)

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:10 | 218778 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Drink a lot and be happy. Why aren't you cheating on the wifeanyway? Everyone else here is. ;)

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 14:49 | 219339 tomdub_1024
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LOL! I was not aware of that...:)

Sun, 02/07/2010 - 21:45 | 221648 Problem Is
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"my wife informed me that I am obnoxious..."

It is your wife's/girlfriend's job to tell you you're obnoxious...

"Can you see the real me? Can you? Can you?"

Sun, 02/07/2010 - 22:02 | 221661 Problem Is
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"SOMEone has to push the envelope, and those smart enough will recognize the intent...:)"

Agreed.

Sarcasm and a caustic delivery are a mocking of the myth narrative. It is the pessimist's and/or skeptic's friend.

It is one of my favorite forms of the written word. When some one can ridicule the dominant view with facts, biting humor and witty disdain (eg "Caustic" Tyler)... there is nothing funnier and sometimes nothing more poignant.

You have to ask yourself, "How can these optimistic dick-wads actually believe this shit?"

This is what a society of used mortgage salesmen gets you. Everyone bullshitting others and more importantly themselves to sell some dumb ass a used mortgage, used car, used MBS junk bond, used condo... what ever this dick-wad society is selling at the moment, for a zero sum gain.

This is a society made up of more and more bullshitters that can not add value to anything or produce anything of substance. The bottom 95% learn the rules from the 5% at the top... and what a sorry 5% they are...

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 02:45 | 218580 Hephasteus
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This is great that we can adopt enron style accounting to governement. Because the ENTIRE ISDA is enron style accounting, law, and deals.

http://www.isda.org

 

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 03:08 | 218592 lewy14
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Tyler, I think the "Enron" comment is certainly fair - the GSEs are the ultimate "off balance sheet" vehicle. I don't see how it's fair to count the whole of their liabilities as being the debt of the USG, because there are assets backing those GSE liabilities - namely US residential property.

Are those assets sufficient? Unknown - wildly unlikely even - but they are not zero.

So I don't see how you get to 140% debt to GDP. What the Treasury is doing is writing a derivative contract for the GSEs. (It's not a "put", exactly, and it's not a CDS exactly either).

However you classify the guarantee, the Treasury is extracting no premium for this guarantee, and is provisioning no collateral for it either. It would be interesting to estimate the market level of both the premium and the collateral - as if, say, GSE guarantees had to be purchased in the OTC market. Those would be fair numbers to charge against the Treasury.

Of course those numbers would be bullshit too, but they'd be arguably more defensible bullshit.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 03:11 | 218599 JuicyTheAnimal
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GS is tellin' on 'em 'cause they talkin' 'bout taking 'way dey prop tradin'. 

Say...how much do you think it would cost to put a gigantic circus tent over the whole of DC?  

Them clowns should invest in that. 

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:13 | 218668 Anonymous
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agree totally, plus, i guarantee you guy knows shit about what happened at enron, 99.9999% haven't a real clue except headline crap.........GSE's are a known entity, a very shitty one, yet, known,

fwiw, enron story is fascinating, like a good political thriller.........lay=bush, clueless skilling=cheney, moniacal fastow=madoff, a socia-pathic liar wallstreet=wallstreet, they beat earnings, we beat on your door for a piece of the action

gotta love it

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 12:46 | 219122 viahj
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how much do you think it would cost to put a gigantic circus tent over the whole of DC?

 

Funny, the image that popped into my head was that of a tent over a house that is being fumigated.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 13:26 | 219202 Anonymous
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Fumigated...wish I was that optimistic. Istead I see 20,000 three-stooges-esque clowns with size 25 shoes being chased around by a retarded tiger and a bunch of poop flinging chimps.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 04:54 | 218626 carbonmutant
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I read ZH for the metaphors.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:41 | 218678 MsCreant
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You meant that metaphorically, right?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:07 | 218774 Hephasteus
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I'm in it for the metathrees.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:37 | 218859 Anonymous
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i'm in it for the mushrooms.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 05:34 | 218634 A Man without Q...
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Considering how fiercely the likes of GS lobbied to prevent the real reform necessary to stamp out most of the loopholes that allow Enron style gimmicks, this seems a bit rich.  Enron failed because it could no longer fund itself and because they could not transfer their bad assets to the government.  If only they had been able to turn themselves into a bank holding company and access the Fed discount window, they may still be alive today...

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 05:36 | 218636 JimboJammer
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Good  Job  Tyler...  This  is  Big  news... the  US Dollar  is  Dog  food.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 05:40 | 218637 Rick64
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GSEs are in purgatory.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 06:43 | 218661 Anonymous
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Yeah... short USD, long Gold, long Silver.

That way I have so little money... I'll be a permanent ZH commenter, forever.

-BBH

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 06:43 | 218662 exportbank
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Truth is too ugly. Governments(no matter the party) are unable to deal with reality - imagine if governments (all levels), pension plans, banks and companies all marked-to-market (forget S.S., Medicare and drug benefit). Even though truth is your friend, they see it as the enemy.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:06 | 218666 twotraps
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Whatever.          The govt is revealing itself as a circus.....or its just so exposed now that its finally ok to speak of it as a totall charade.

 

1.  How do we make money, protect what we have?

2.  Is there Any 'out of bounds' at all we need to worry about, as far as the govt goes? 

 

The same old discussion about pathetic politicians is getting old.  The culmination of their efforts is plain to see..............Check out the Illinois fiscal situation!

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:16 | 218669 rawsienna
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Another good one regarding the budget that was under the radar - they have FHA making 6bb in 2011.  While my personal view is that they will need a bailout of at least 25-50bb, the thought that FHA would contribute 6bb of profit is insane. If true, why not privatize em and get rid of the problem once an for all?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:34 | 218673 twotraps
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Totally agree.  Kinda hard to take their accounting seriously anyway!  It prints money, then borrows from itself to buy bonds to support programs protected with favorable rates and accounting.  Good game if you can get it.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:35 | 218672 pros
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No "news" here.

The debt of the GSE's is published in the z.1 FRB

just look through the stats and add up the numbers.

I have posted the totals which show U.S. debt is just a little less than 300% of GDP (insolvency is about 100% depending on GDP growth assumptions)..on this site a number of times.

 

U.S. is insolvent......

but so are UK, Switzerland, Ireland, Spain, Japan, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, etc.

and China will become insolvent when U.S. reneges on its debt to them (I haven't decided which reason will be used....probably because they are "terrorists" of some type) U.S. has reneged in the past...in 1932, in 1971

the US is the only country which can renege on its foreign liabilities without consequences

it can easily force the GCC to continue to accept the dollar because if the US pulled support from the Gulf Osama bin Laden would be running Saudi Arabia and Kuwait within days and the anybody related to the House of Saud would face the same fate as the Shah.

U.S. dollar and U.S. treasuries are where you want to be because

"In the land of the blind the One-eyed man is King"

U.S. can and will use its missiles, aircraft carriers, cybertechnology, etc., to 

"do what it has to do" in an attempt to preserve hegemony for as long as possible.

this is where the dishonesty, greed, corruption, secrecy and ruthlessness of the entrenched US elite becomes an asset instead of a liability...when they destroy the rest of the world economy to save themselves...they will save the rest of us...serendipitously...oh there will be casualties among the conscripted...lots of body bags...but you won't see them.

interesting to watch it unfold...like a good movie..or a horror show?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:37 | 218675 twotraps
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Wow.   Kinda of a lot to handle this early in the am, but I love it.  Well said.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:48 | 218680 MsCreant
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pros,

Not giving you shit, serious question here. Are you suggesting we just throw in with them? Root for them from the sidelines? We are going to be raped anyway, might as well lay back and enjoy it?

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 08:07 | 218683 pros
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To:McCreant

I'm only an old man who has seen a lot and uses common sense.

 

It's all baked in the cake...look at history..

the alternative is domestic regime change...

like England 1066 or England 1688-

France 1789, Russia 1917----the elite is aware that this is their fate if they don't do what I say, so they will undertake the course I outlined....like England at turn of century going to war then in 1914 and in 1939 as their Empire dissipated..

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 08:37 | 218692 MarketTruth
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REMEMBER: the bankster family cartel House Of Rothschild made their main fortune by purposeful misinformation of the result of a war that then crashed the England stock exchange. With this deception known only by the Rothschilds in play, the market tanked hard because other thought England lost the war. The Rothschild bought big at the bottom of the England stock market crash and when the truth finally was revealed about the result of the war (England won) the market went back up dramatically, thus giving the Rothschild an extremely large gain.

So basically, the leading member of the current worldwide bankster cartel abused the stock market through lies and deception to achieve their wealth.

What makes anyone here on ZH think these  scum bags would not do it again and again without a care to whom they hurt or bankrupt for their own family gain? The world is right now dealing with these blood sucking scum bags who happen to continue their fraud via a FIAT currency (dollar, Euro, etc). It is time to remove any and all CONfidence in their banking and monetary system (dollar, Euro, etc).

www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 09:31 | 218719 twotraps
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What are some scenarios here?  

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:15 | 218790 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Pros makes sense. Of course this government owould throw others under the bus.

 

Thats not rape, thats Darwinism.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:41 | 218868 Anonymous
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darwin's dead...time to bury him...

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:53 | 218904 suteibu
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Excellent observation.  If you want to survive, get tougher and smarter no matter what the conditions.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 08:33 | 218689 IBelieveInMagic
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Truth unvarnished!

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 07:43 | 218679 Catullus
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Patois!  Finally a New Orleans reference.  http://www.patoisnola.com/index.html

 

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 08:17 | 218686 Anonymous
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First off....Who is Levitt ?

Levitt gets paid by the SEC...Bloomberg...GS

So who is Levitt ?

...............................

Secondly...

The US Economy will go nowhere but down without structural tax reform....

The Govt. must act on the long term view of a minimum of 10 years for this construct....

Which alternative is better ?

1) Having to extract taxes such that at least 60% of those revenues from those who do work ....in the form of a progressive rate plus VAT ?....not including state taxes ?

2) Banning all taxes except for a simple 15% consumption tax (tangilble consumed items) ....to be divided between Fed and state....

What is clear that even on a small 10 year time frame....the tax take from 2) would be many times that of 1) because the 2) economy would be many times larger than the 1) economy....

NOBODY GETS IT ........NOBODY....

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 12:38 | 219110 TheGoodDoctor
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Actually no consumption tax is needed. It would be much easier to raise that tax as needed. What should be done is a moratorium on income taxes for three years. If you want the economy to bounce back quick anyway. What is it 1/3 of tax revenue is generated by income tax? So, why can't the government tighten their belt for three years.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 13:34 | 219214 MsCreant
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I think they would borrow even worse.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 08:57 | 218701 moneymutt
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While were at it, why don't we come clean on everything. Get real about Soc Sec, Medicare, pensions, war spending, GSEs, TARP and other bailouts, FDIC etc...

What I think it is real funny is GSEs had implicit govt backing going into 2008, but who knew GS/AIG had 100 percent backing, shoot GM couldn't even get that.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 09:09 | 218707 Anonymous
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While were at it, why don't we come clean on everything. Get real about Soc Sec, Medicare, pensions, war spending, GSEs, TARP and other bailouts, FDIC etc...

What I think it is real funny is GSEs had implicit govt backing going into 2008, but who knew GS/AIG had 100 percent backing, shoot GM couldn't even get that.

Exactly right ....Moneymutt

The US accounting office should be charged with fraud....

Fraud to China and the rest of its creditors ....

Why not ?

Why is this any different than a big corporation failing to disclose its liabilities ?

This is like ....we will tell you the way we want to....because we have bigger guns than you do....and if you are stupid enough to believe us US...shame on you....

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:20 | 218810 Winisk
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With all of the modern sophistication of money markets and international trade it does come down to playground politics.  If the bully is losing the game, he changes the rules to suit him.  And if the others retort the US will childishly respond with, "Oh yah, well what are you going to do about it?".  Few countries will want to play except for his loyal sidekicks, that's what.  God help us if there is a push back.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 10:28 | 218834 Anonymous
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If you bring Fannie and Freddie on the balance sheet then don't you have to bring the Fed on to the balance sheet? Wouldn't this all just net out to zero? LMAO

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 16:44 | 219623 Anonymous
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Weil's column in Bloomberg was idiotic. He claims that the US government's debt is understated by $6.3 trillion, the amount of agency debt and the notional amount of guarantees on mortgage debt it has written. Now, the federal government's obligations only go up by that amount if the US housing stock is completely worthless. In this event, the agencies' balance sheet assets (mortgages) are worthless and the agencies' would have to pay out the full notional amount on all mortgage guarantees it wrote to agency MBS holders. By that logic, I could argue that Bill Gates is in debt up to his eyeballs if he runs a big credit card bill every month.

Fri, 02/05/2010 - 16:57 | 219666 Anonymous
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It's like watching Darth Vader and Bernie Madoff go toe-to-toe in the Mayberry town square.

Sun, 02/07/2010 - 02:11 | 220954 Anonymous
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Never mind the fancy talk. Debt is debt, whatever the backing assets. In this connection, our true "National" debt - trade + government at all levels + corporate + private - is around 80 trillion $$, maybe more. For this thank 25 years of open borders, wiping out the real purchasing power of the working class, "free trade", wiping out the middle class and its real purchasing power, and an out-of-control welfare-warfare state. What we have here is the greatest of all pyramid schemes, and it is about to implode. Advice: invest in bullets.

Sun, 02/07/2010 - 19:53 | 221561 Anonymous
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I worked at Enron during the final year; not on that stuff. I wish; I'd be retired by now.

An important part of the post-scandal expose was that they decided shredding docs cost too much so they let them pile up.

(Fun on the side: Archibald Cox Jr. flipped my startup to them.)

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