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Goldman's Noyce On How To Play The "Large S&P Correction Coming" Through FX, (And All The FX Charts That Matter Next Week)

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In addition to all the traditional technical observations on all the key crosses from Goldman's only must read technician John Noyce, which include the EURUSD, the EURCHF, the AUDUSD, the NZDUSD, and the AUDNZD, the NOKSEK, and the GBPUSD, and a quick look at 2 year USD swaps, Noyce's key technical observation has to do with a pattern emerging in the S&P vis-a-vis trendlines. To wit: "There are a few signals on the daily chart of the S&P which argue that a larger correction could be developing." The key support line according to Noyce: 1,291-1,294 on the S&P, below which the next support is the 200 DMA, which is all the way down at 1,174. The key catalyst: a market that is riduclously overbought at 129 days above the 55-DMA (128 as of the day of Noyce's report which was on Thursday). So how to play the coming correction in FX? The AUDJPY may be the best bet and the Goldman chartist explains why...

Noyce's chart of concern:

Noyce's commentary:

  • No one development on its own is that significant, but viewed collectively, if the market were to make a sustained break below the pivot region centred on 1,294-1,291 where the interim low from 24th February and the 55-dma are converged, there would be quite a decent argument to look for a larger correction to develop. The main points are:
    • Moving average stretch - As we’ve already discussed at some length in recent publications, we’re moving into pretty stretched territory in terms of the number of consecutive daily closes the market has made above its 55-dma (128 at last count)
    • Daily %age Moves - The drop on 22nd February, which immediately followed the cycle high which was set on 18th February, was the largest daily %age decline since the market based in late-August last year
    • 76.4 Retrace - Tuesday’s high at 1,332 was less than half a point off the 76.4 retrace of the initial 18th/24th February drop
    • Daily Patterns - Tuesday’s sharp intraday turn around caused a bearish key day to be posted from that 76.4 retrace
  • Overall, while the market needs to close below 1,294-1,291 to generate further confirmation signals, the risks do appear to be quite significant that this break will be achieved given the list of developments on the daily chart highlighted above.

It is not only the S&P which is overbought - so is the DAX:

  • These patterns have tended to work quite well over the last three years. Eight having been posted since December ‘07, seven of which worked well.
  • While as with the S&P to increase confidence we need further daily chart patterns/breaks the idea of a more material correction developing certainly seems quite feasible.

  • This retrace hold adds to the initial warning given by last week’s bearish weekly reversal that the risks of a correction are increasing.
  • The pivot point which should decide whether a more material correction develops or not is 7,135-7,093 where the 55-dma (which the market has been above since early-October on a close basis) and the interim low from 24th February are converged.

And in response to the technical patterns in the S&P and the DAX, Noyce is now negative on the AUDJPY. This could be the best way to prepare for the coming equity correction.

  • Unlike the correlated equity markets AUDJPY has also recently run into quite significant resistance. The 76.4 retrace of the April/May ‘10 drop and the 200-wma which has been a significant pivot over the past three years being converged on 84.26-84.94, against which the market has peaked over the last two weeks. The spike low from August ‘07 at 85.94 is also not far above current levels. Negative weekly oscillator divergence has developed too. Overall a setup which warns of a downside correction developing.
  • Again similarly to the correlated equity markets, we have the initial signs of a downside correction attempting to develop, but the market needs to break further levels to increase confidence in this idea/confirm a negative setup in place.
  • The clearest level to watch on the daily chart is the interim low from 24th February at 81.82, which is what we often term the “pivot of the 76.4 retrace” which has been posted against the highs. A daily close below there would leave the next notable support as the converged 200-dma and interim low from 1st December ‘10 ; 80.04-79.71.

Full presentation from John Noyce:



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Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:01 | 1022150 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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In Goldman we Trust.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 16:56 | 1022349 bankrupt JPM bu...
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do you think Loyd knows he looks half squirrel half rat?

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 23:52 | 1022907 asdasmos
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Greenspan on Gold's Rise - CNBC 4/3/11

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:34 | 1022416 Michael
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"Traditional Retirement Planning Futility" can be a topic of discussion for anyone who wants to do an article on it.

I talk to some people putting money away for their retirement acting as if they actually believe the traditional actions they are taking today will pay out benefits in the distant future.

Is there anyone here who actually believes the economy will continue to chug along for years to come as the personal retirement financial experts such as Suze Orman suggests?

What good is it to continue pumping retirement money into Wall Street when you know it will never keep up with Fed induced inflation?

What good is it to continue investing in America when you are 100% sure a complete and total economic collapse is a mathematical certainty?

The TV talking heads are clueless at best and complete shilling liars at worse.


Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:15 | 1022626 GlassHammer
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The bad part about investing away from America (the move money aborad approach) is that our market can take others with it when (not if) it falls off a cliff. 


Sun, 03/06/2011 - 11:23 | 1023416 Millerette
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I'm not putting any money into retirement anymore, but what do you do with money already in a 401k?  turn it all into PMs and hide it on the back 40?  move it overseas? sit back and watch its value go to zero?  i.e. even at this point in time am I totally screwed?

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 11:25 | 1023418 Orly
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Pimco Total Return Fund.

Unca Bill will take care of you.


Sun, 03/06/2011 - 12:47 | 1023555 New_Meat
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"... i.e. even at this point in time am I totally screwed?"

you're still breathing. at ~1:00

- Ned

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 16:08 | 1024045 BigSkyBear
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A 401K loan will get you a hedge of sorts, and a decent stash of the "Three B's"

(Beans, Bullets and Bullion...Bitchez)


Call it a Hedge Play.




Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:10 | 1022160 buzzsaw99
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The Squid Holding Company chart is looking bearish too. They should call JPM aka teh fed and tell them to put a "buy" rating on everything squid related.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:11 | 1022169 Sudden Debt
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nothing more then the november correction. QE3 will make the fear go away.


Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:45 | 1022231 ZeroPower
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In a bull market, the 200DMA doesn't even have to be touched.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 22:44 | 1022812 old_turk
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I don't think so, not this time.  The muni bond market looks as dry as a martini (hold the vermouth).

The tachicardia is striking the market again (topping action, yes?).  I'm waiting for the mavens to sally forth with the 'break out' predictions forthwith.

Though I suspect the real downhill ride will be more late 2nd Quarter/3rd Quarter due to withdrawal DTs from QE2.1 (lite) and the necessity for some massive rollover of debt in the corporate and muni markets.  There's some technical reasons to doubt that any sort of QE3 will occur in any meaningful way.  There's a cost to a 4 trillion balance sheet, regardless of what the Treasury and the FRB say.

My advice is watch what they do, never what they say.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:17 | 1022178 Misean
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Overbought?!?!?! This slimy peice of filth works for Golman Sucks...doesn't he know where the friggin' money to levitate this scam is coming from?!?! What, did he NOT get the memo?

All I wanna know is what this shyster is hawking? What's his goddamed book?


Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:27 | 1022408 cosmictrainwreck
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you're joking, right? they publish this shit to set up their in-house shorting plans

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:19 | 1022181 dick cheneys ghost
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Bank of England...Britain at risk for another crisis..........

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:39 | 1022204 silvertrain
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 check this shit out Saudi king to buy facebook..

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:10 | 1022369 Long-John-Silver
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LOL!  He thinks the Internet can be purchased like the MSM.

He has no idea how social networking works.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 21:10 | 1022694 attst487
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social networking, a la facebook, is already bought and paid for by special interest social controllers. thats how the real world works.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:13 | 1022542 piceridu
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That's an Onion Article, no?

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:34 | 1022206 Rainman
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Central planning's future intent is the only chart that matters and they don't make 'em. Play the hunch and good luck. 

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 09:59 | 1023343 SMG
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It's sad really, but you are exactly right.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:33 | 1022208 chumbawamba
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Why America is doomed:

And there's nothing you can do about it.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 16:20 | 1022293 chumbawamba
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Junk away, oh damned fools.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:49 | 1022668 Careless Whisper
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Oh my! Terry Randall wearing that pink tie and tacky fake fur, and "Pastor" Cherry Jones wearing his dolce gabana sunglasses and black leather jacket. Those gurls make such a lovely couple.


Sun, 03/06/2011 - 00:25 | 1022978 Ludwig Van
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chum -- junked upon request.


Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:51 | 1022671 BigJim
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America is doomed because a tiny minority of religious nuts want to install sharia law?

You really think that's our most pressing problem?

(and no, I didn't junk you)

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:55 | 1022254 ivars
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It looks more and more likely that stocks and oil will follow the charts (made on February 6th, 2011) they should in this time after a sharp shock to the system during sept 2008-March 2009:

Oil just moves up , punctuated by supply disruption events ( instability in oil producing countries, flight to safety to USD despite the QE2) and continues to move up in 2012, 2013, and beyond ( i have not charted 2014, but is still up, above 200 USD/bbl)

Stock have started their move down in a typical pattern (seen also in Japan after 1990 crash)  after exponential recovery of a system as whole from the shock, when it  still acted in concert. Now de -cooperation will ensure linearity and synchronization in global actions is BROKEN, hence system become nonlinear and responses start to diverge in time. If globalization and synchronization was the cause of the boom, and bust, than deccooperation and desynchronization, conflict, war, will be its natural cure.   Stocks will stay <8000 in 2012 and 2013, and most of 2014, which I have not charted, but when the first pickup will start, most likely related to some war event ( Iran?).

These graphs of DJIA mean a recession of level minus 2-4% in the USA starting from Q1 2012.

Suprisingly, USD will remain strong enough to drive the nominal stock values down, at least in 2011-2014. Why? Flight to safety plus sale of military power in USD ( not weapons, but military power, presence to regimes/countries that will neeed it during their coming instability)






Sat, 03/05/2011 - 16:02 | 1022272 ivars
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Here is how USD is getting stabilized by Saudis in exchange for?


Saudi Aramco, the world’s largest oil exporter, raised official selling prices for all crude grades for customers in Asia and Northwest Europe for April shipments and cut prices for customers in the U.S.

Saudi Arabia’s state-owned producer increased the formula prices for Arab Extra Light, Light and Medium crudes to Asia by 65 cents a barrel, a person familiar with the pricing decision said today. Arab Light to Asia will sell at the highest since July 2008 at $1.95 a barrel above the average of the Oman and Dubai grades, the two Gulf benchmarks used by traders.

Six officials at refineries in Asia polled by Bloomberg said they expected a price increase reflecting gains in fuel processing profits. The difference between gasoil and fuel oil prices, the so-called black-white spread, rose to the widest since 2008, suggesting refiners with the ability to break fuel oil into higher value oil products are earning more.

Arab Super Light to Asia will increase by 25 cents a barrel, to $6.05 a barrel above the Oman and Dubai average and Extra Light will rise to a $3.95 a barrel premium.

Aramco set the price for its Extra Light crude oil for April loadings for U.S. buyers at a premium of $2.60 a barrel over the Argus Sour Crude Index, 10 cents lower than March cargoes. The price of Arab Light crude to the U.S. will be at parity with the Argus index, 30 cents a barrel lower than March.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:58 | 1022262 Buyemall
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Weekly kickstart no more?

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:58 | 1022265 Yen Cross
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Thanks for the charts. I can actually read them. I always enjoy the Goldies ideas. Fodder or nay.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:58 | 1022679 Careless Whisper
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Oh me too Yen. I love Goldman's research. I can't tell you how much money I've made listening to everything they say. It's just one good trade after another thanks to Goldman. They work so hard for US and it's free advice! They are so honest. I bet they would never package crap MBS and sell them to a client. No way! Then bet against the MBS they just sold ? Not Goldman. They would never do that. I can't wait for Abby J Cohen to be back on cnbs with her market timing. She loves us Yen.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 16:05 | 1022277 g3h
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Where is the search function in ZH?

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:30 | 1022412 cosmictrainwreck
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well, we shure as shit ain't gonna tell you

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:01 | 1022527 Yen Cross
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NICE! smiles.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:15 | 1022548 cosmictrainwreck
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holy shit LMAO you be one clever dude. I could never rig a trick like that

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 21:02 | 1022682 Careless Whisper
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oh it's not that hard.


Sat, 03/05/2011 - 16:31 | 1022312 raya123
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Oil will send stocks much lower, and stocks will not rebound until oil hits a temporary peak and begins falling several months from now.  It's all about oil now, not QE or the extension / lack thereof.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 16:41 | 1022326 Atomizer
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Keyword for Monday & Tuesday.. Spike!!

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:13 | 1022379 Long-John-Silver
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2008 crash redux, and worse. It's the same pattern as the Great Depression.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:24 | 1022397 Wakanda
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It's about the oil.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 18:11 | 1022469 High Plains Drifter
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Large S&P correction?  Does that mean back to 666  ?



Sat, 03/05/2011 - 18:23 | 1022487 TradingJoe
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Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:36 | 1022573 Yen Cross
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the 66 fibi

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 18:23 | 1022485 TradingJoe
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Il Oglio will rise, first correction will not occur until the 120-150 area! Buy it now, short it later, the buy it back and stay in it, it's your frikin' insurance policy!

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:12 | 1022541 Yen Cross
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Hey my friend. I keep notes. Your dxy call @ the .60 level was well done! Credit is due to people that pay attention, and smart people. Like yourself! I will take your ideas into account in the future.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:18 | 1022554 piceridu
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Sat, 03/05/2011 - 18:45 | 1022509 Bicycle Repairman
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Who knows.  Stay flexible.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:06 | 1022531 Yen Cross
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Are you putting rubber bands around the Monday delivery of the(Wall Street Journal)? LMAO! ON the hill by my house.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:08 | 1022534 Yen Cross
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I'm smoking a Cuban, and you are ruining it!

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:13 | 1022543 High Plains Drifter
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Just say the word "winner" over and over again. I have heard recently that this is supposed to make you feel better about yourself.....

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:18 | 1022553 Yen Cross
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Your point? H-P-D. I have discovery to make (aka charts to dissect) The Asia markets, should GAP tomorrow. I have to attend to my trades. I enjoyed the forum today, and thanks to all posters. Trade well!

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 19:54 | 1022600 putbuyer
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My absolute favorite seen in a movie is in ROCKY II. Rocky says after he has gone down 2 times - "I ain't going down no more". The scene was so powerful, full of anger and desperation and the willing to give it all to win. Here is the Libyan version.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:02 | 1022613 Orly
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Again, I thank Tyler and ZeroHedge for sharing this information.

It is greatly appreciated.


Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:09 | 1022623 putbuyer
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Then click something on the top, left or right border. Wink wink...

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:20 | 1022634 Orly
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Only when I see Cramer's grisly mug...

I've hit it a few thousand times.

Besides, I think Tyler has offers...

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:35 | 1022652 putbuyer
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LOL! when I see him I just want to punch the F'in screen.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 23:04 | 1022832 Alienated Serf
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adblock has changed my life.  get it.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:22 | 1022636 Yen Cross
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Now you're talkin. Great forum!!!

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:51 | 1022672 Everybodys All ...
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QE ends in June. If the stock market forecasts 6 months out and I believe it does, then you would have to surmise a rather large correction is likely imminent.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 20:51 | 1022673 max2205
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The only chart that matters is Bens 5 min SPX chart. Oversold... BTFD.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 22:32 | 1022796 RobotTrader
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Virtually every technician is predicting a large correction right now.

And all the pro swing traders are now out, sitting on the sidelines, waiting to go short.

And all the CANSLIM mo-mo junkies are also out of the way, waiting for the "Big Picture" to utter another follow through "buy signal".

What are the odds that all these guys played it correctly?

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 22:51 | 1022816 Orly
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History would say very small.

However, there are times when majority sentiment may end up being correct.  This is one of those times.

There will be a scare, however, in that the giant longs will be able to pump the market on low, low volume at the begining of next trading week.  They've been able to do it for so long that they believe they can just keep on, they have a lot to lose, so they will throw everything and the kitchen sink at it.

I think the key is going to be the ASX.  It is relatively easy to pump the Asian market and Sydney has been more susceptible than other markets to the Sack-Frost Syndrome (sounds like a disease I wouldn't even wish on my 7 am with the lawn mower neighbor...).  But it's just going to prove too heavy.  Once Sydney trips the wire, the DAX will follow, and the SPX will trip, too.

Don't expect a great plunge all at once.  Instead, the initial move to 1050 will be followed by further attempts to pump it by the longs who got burned (mutual funds, for instance...).  After that, a steady decline will be the order of the day.

I know I am in the minority with the idea that the Fed is getting out.  Watch for signals, clues and announcements that QE III is dead in the water.  It's just not going to happen.  The pump and dump is over.

When the SPX hits 1050 and the longs figure out that their faith in perpetual stimulus has been misplaced, expect the DXY to ramp, especially against the JPY and CHF pairs.  Until then, it's gonna be wild.

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 00:02 | 1022928 99er
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"I know I am in the minority with the idea that the Fed is getting out.  Watch for signals, clues and announcements that QE III is dead in the water."

I'm in complete agreement with you on this one. Watch for signals? How about this from Bloomberg?

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 09:47 | 1023329 Orly
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It sounds like all the big heads are on board: Plosser, Yellen and Bernanke himself.  Sounds like a done deal and now they are going out of their way to tell the markets, "No, that's it, boys and girls.  We said June, we meant June."  That in and of itself is quite refreshing.

I will certainly be glad about that!  All I want to do is trade 4X...but I want to do it on a level playing field so if I lose I lose, not by way of some central bank prank halfway across the world.

Sounds like the 4X market will be back to reasonably normal by the Fall.  Here's hoping!


P.S.  Where do you get your wave theory patterns?  The ones you use are apparently different than the ones I know.  For instance, a Wolfe Wave, as you describe it, is different than the description I am familiar with.


Sun, 03/06/2011 - 10:09 | 1023354 Orly
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The viable Fibonacci pattern now is from an X-A line beginning at the top of 16 February 2011 to the interim low of 24 February.  The initial retrace of the A-B line just occurred on 04 March.  That leaves a B-C retracement to about the 82.16 level.

That is the most likely place for a bounce higher.  A break below that leaves the rising trendline from last Hallowe'en to be broken, then it is look out below.

The key is going to be how severe the correction is in equities and traders' sentiment toward the US dollar, viv-a-vis risk appetite.  If the USD reverts (again...) to a safe-haven currency, which it probably will once traders realise that the Fed is serious about June, then USD will rocket against the JPY and the CHF.

If, however, there is reason for the market to believe the Fed is bloughing, the USD will remain the risky currency in those pairs and may sink to beyond all-time lows.

The key here is going to be timing, as usual.  Keep your eye on the USDCHF for a more sure tell for the turn.


Sun, 03/06/2011 - 15:10 | 1023871 99er
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Orly-- Here's my take on the USDCHF pair. There appears to be a bullish Gartley (letters) as well as a Wolfe Wave (numbers) embedded within the pattern. Target? $1.38.

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 15:17 | 1023892 Orly
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Of course, that is if this is the bottom.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 22:55 | 1022819 old_turk
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"What are the odds that all these guys played it correctly?"

Well, not that good ... but what I really want to know is, is the retail sucker, I mean, 'investor' about to go "all-in" with a solid 8,6 unsuited in the hole?  :-)


edit:  Plus what Orly said.  I would agree.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 23:21 | 1022849 pomogranate
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I don't see where he says "large S&P correction coming".  He says there are significant risks, which is what all crayon-drawers do to avoid coming right out and saying something that could be shown to be wrong.  So instead they cover all the bases ... like the dumbass Elliot Wave guy. (the call was right, but the timing was wrong)

And why 55dma?  Why not pick any arbitrary number that fits the curve and thus can be pointed to for evidence?

Truth is, he doesn't know any more than any other guy with a crayon.


Sun, 03/06/2011 - 03:16 | 1023148 Grand Supercycle
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I'm sticking to my call on Feb 22, that DOW topped @ 12,391 on Feb 18 2011 and thus signals the end of the rally.

As key global equity indexes are now extremely overextended the overdue correction may be sudden.

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 06:05 | 1023226 kokoro33
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did you trade it?

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 04:44 | 1023193 Yen Cross
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Patience My Ass.

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 12:56 | 1023580 huggy_in_london
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If he keeps this bear talk up he might find himself called into a meeting room and told that Big Brother actually likes stocks and that if he likes his lifestyle and job he might want to consider recanting....

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 13:01 | 1023589 Orly
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Actually, it's Daley who wears the pants in the West Wing.

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 20:39 | 1024693 Grand Supercycle
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AUDJPY chart posted Feb 18:

AUDJPY weekly chart reveals what’s been happening since the crash and the ‘recovery’.

The smaller wedge that starts mid 2010 reveals a weakening trend despite the QE intervention.

This chart should not be ignored in my view.

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 22:19 | 1024950 Orly
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Everybody and their brother is talking about that trade.  Or the GBPJPY.  Both look to me like they're going nowhere.

Now, the Nikkei and ASX are both in the tank and the Euro hasn't even budged on any pair cross!  Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

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