Goldman's Take On The Greek Bailout: The Lawsuits Are A-coming

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Sun, 04/11/2010 - 21:32 | 295823 marginnayan
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Futs up nicely. It looks like a done deal, then.

Check this one though:

German MOF: Euro Zone's Plan For Greece Not A Decision To Give Aid http://bit.ly/apiJaJ

 

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:21 | 295890 orange juice
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But it's not a done deal. While they try to settle the balances this year, but it still remains that they're 250% over acceptable spending according to Eurozone rules.  Further austerity will be required; even E. Neilson recongnizes that.  What happens in a few months isn't of real concern, what happens in two years or three years as further cuts have to be made is of more consequence.

All in all this bought the Greeks time and nothing more. What they do with the time is far more important. It's like money in escrow, if the parties putting the money up don't like what they see they can pull out too (also outlined above).

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 08:36 | 296231 caconhma
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<Both the EUR30bn in bilateral money would have to be approved in the legislatures in each of the Euro-zone’s member states before it could be disbursed (and its not clear how long time this would take)>

This sentence puts the entire Greece bailout process in limbo since national approvals can go forever.

However, one thing is for sure: EU members are unable of handle the reality.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 21:41 | 295831 Hansel
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Greece bailout announcement #4+, and still no actual commitment of money.  Same shit, different Sunday.  They might have the Greece thing sorted out just in time for 12 other debt bombs to go off.

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 02:07 | 296024 mezcal
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Exactly. This is just a ramping up of the jawboning.

Cash? Hah!

They got nothing and I believe Mr. Market is gonna call the bluff.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:01 | 295834 GoldmanSux
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Extent and pretend is THE policy of western industrialized nations. EU loans will be rolled into IMF loans a year or so hence. Bernanke's quote of throwing money out of helicopters was no joke. This is the policy. The die is cast. The sweeping arrogance of this policy continues to amaze. It is worldwide. And it won't work.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:17 | 295846 MsCreant
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I don't know how any one can balance their books anymore. If you pretend to trust my collateral, I'll pretend to trust yours. Tee hee. It's all fun and games, no consequences at all.

Ba-ba-benny and the [ink] jets!!

Give me another hit Ben, I'm kinda low.

Here PIIGSY PIIGSY. Sooooooweeeee!

Line those pigs up at the trough. Here comes the chopper.

Slop! Eeeew! It's all slimy and keeps sticking to us. And sticking and sticking. They keep sticking it to us. Whaaaaah!

 

Iceland rocks, "volcanically" that is. No PIIGS there. "Just say no to banksters." Hope they don't get handed something they voted down as a done deal.

Sorry for the word salad, sorta. You know that's how some folks talk when they are going--CRAZYYYY!!! Bwha ha ha ha!

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:35 | 295859 Cookie
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Thanks for the laugh from Thailand...we need it here!!

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:37 | 295861 Gold...Bitches
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Better yet, you take this crap that is worth about a nickel on the dollar, but you'll pay me 1:1.  Then with real cash on the books, I report my finances, then, after the regulators go away, I trade you back the cash for my trash.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:35 | 295896 RichardENixon
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Hey keep that idea under your hat, next thing you know everybody will be trying it.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:44 | 295867 Gold...Bitches
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Balance the books?  That's, just, so 90's.  You balance your own books, I'm gonna break out one of these for my debts (ok, I admit, I got the idea from Ben):

http://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/272086/printing-money-animation-100-dollar-bills.html

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:50 | 295872 MsCreant
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His screen saver no doubt.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:09 | 295882 Gold...Bitches
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I jest though as I have zero debt.  Apparently I missed the bandwagon over the last couple decades of going into debt for stuff.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:44 | 295901 RichardENixon
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How could you have known the taxpayer would get stuck with the debt for the stuff? 

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 06:38 | 296186 Cheeky Bastard
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You've lost your shit from all this insanity.

Me likes *douchebag-grin-on-face*

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:45 | 295868 nonclaim
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Extent and pretend is THE policy of western industrialized nations.

It is. In the first rounds of the liquidity crisis there was a G-20 meeting where they agreed to provide coordinated liquidity intra and inter countries.

To my understanding there was no significant mop-up since, which means we are still in full-blown liquidity crisis. Now, on top and because of that, we are heading into a monetary confidence crisis.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:07 | 295838 GoldSilverDoc
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The New European Community Anthem:

http://www.roughcreekranch.com/bj.mp3

 

Apologies to Billy Joel (Good Night Saigon)

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:08 | 295841 Sucks_to_be_Smart
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can someone please explain the importance of Trichet's comments regarding the collateral system at the ECB and how this can affect Greece?  I'm not getting it.  Thanks everybody!

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:09 | 295842 FischerBlack
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30 billion euros? And they think the mere promise of such a paltry sum will be enough to solve Greek's rollover problems? Paulsen and Bernanke promised our banks $700 billion, and not even that promise was enough, they actually had to use it. When Europe actually does disburse these funds (and they *will* disburse them or watch Greece blow up), methinks they won't be seeing it back for a very long time, if ever.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:18 | 295849 MsCreant
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Feels so AIGish, doesn't it?

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:48 | 295905 aus_punter
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FB - with all due respect you are stating the obvious here. The 30 bn lets them roll till Q3 and then they roll longer and longer hoping the problem goes away.  Of course they are unlikely to ever repay the money but a lot can happen in between then and now.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:17 | 295848 Number 156
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Yeah, that alone will steepen the yield curve.

 

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:37 | 295863 1fortheroad
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German MOF: Euro Zone's Plan For Greece Not A Decision To Give Aid

BERLIN -(Dow Jones)- The euro zone's agreement Sunday about details on an aid plan for Greece must not be misunderstood as an actual decision to provide aid, but it does justify hopes that the country will be able to refinance its debt on its own, the German Finance Ministry said Sunday.

"This decision today was no decision on aid for Greece," Finance Ministry spokesman Michael Offer told Dow Jones Newswires. 

 

I guess that means pigs can fly.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 22:52 | 295871 Gold...Bitches
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or Greece could be a Tupolev 154 that still has to come in for a landing without clipping the trees.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:11 | 295884 JR
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I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:09 | 295883 JR
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Everything's coming up magnolias and cherry blossoms abroad, I see, for the Goldman boys. Whatever "Goldman's take on the Greek bailout," it's sure to be big.

Well, it’s good to be both a participant and an instigator, on all the ways up and all the ways down. 

And here’s the news at home that Goldman forgot (leading role by JP Morgan; bit part by Goldman).

From Nathan’s Economic Edge:

Matt Taibbi with Max Keiser – The Crimes of Jefferson County (video)

Zoom the video ahead to the 11.10 minute point to hear Matt Taibbi talk about his investigation into Jefferson County, Alabama.

What occurred there with the investment banks (JPM) was nothing short of the breakdown of the rule of law instigated by the same organizations who are basically running this country.  This is a terrific example of the type of project that a State Chartered Bank could finance forcing out the criminals who prey on municipalities like Jefferson County.  Again, the lesson to learn is that WHO controls the money is far more important than WHAT backs it.

Send the central bankers packing…FIRE THE FED. Here's the video:

http://economicedge.blogspot.com/

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 23:41 | 295899 williambanzai7
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To cause the head to appear in a mass of flame make use of the following: mix together thoroughly petroleum, lard, mutton tallow and quick lime. Distill this over a charcoal fire, and the liquid which results can be burned on the face without harm.

Harry Houdini

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 00:58 | 295978 Grand Supercycle
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The bear market rally wants to continue for a bit longer ... 

DOW/SP500 daily bull signals from Friday 9 April continue.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/latest-market-outlook-0

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 01:24 | 296005 vote_libertaria...
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So there are no conditions on these loans???  Spend at will???

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 01:48 | 296014 chindit13
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"As agreed earlier, the all Euro-zone governments will participate in a ratio equivalent to their capital share in the ECB."

And when Spain and Italy come a-calling for money, will Greece participate in that bailout "in a ratio equivalent to their capital share in the ECB"?

This is merely a Repo 105 on a continental scale. 

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 02:38 | 296035 John McCloy
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This is nonsense. This would be similar to Paul the lazy alchoholic down the block owing me and 4 neighbors 500 bucks each and lending Paul more money to pay ourselves back. How this is interpreted as a good thing is beyond me. It does however prevent me from getting yelled at by my wife for 3 months for being stupid enough to lend Paul money in the first place. As long as I do not tell her he paid us with more of our own money smooth sailing for me. 

We have truly crossed over into imaginationland. 

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 04:11 | 296069 Jo
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S'funny to read the GS thing above.

Bailouts seem to be the most normal thing in the world nowadays.

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 07:42 | 296207 exportbank
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People simply can't hate their kids and grand-kids this much. The plan must be a western-world repudiation of debt. No person (with any character at all) would expect future generations to pay this off - so default or HUGE inflation is the only cure.

 

Also - this GS piece could have edited to one page - 

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 07:57 | 296211 QQQBall
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Huge inflation = defacto default

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