Gonzalo Lira On The Coming Middle-Class Anarchy

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Sat, 10/09/2010 - 15:17 | 638194 Misstrial
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Love it Pond. Thanks for posting.

"We have become one of them."

Not me, though. I haven't been infected by blood-thirsty zombies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Legend_%28film%29

~Misstrial

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 15:32 | 638215 Bolweevil
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I too was asked to 'slow it down' because I was making the ones with seniority look bad. Whomever is responsible for our current demise, be it by design, coercion or ineptitude, is now indebted to society. Those who have played by the rules must now realize the rules have changed. The only guide is your personal moral compass. Keep your head on a swivel. Travel in groups.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 19:06 | 638485 RockyRacoon
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I spent 4 years in the Air Force, got out in 1973.  I would have stayed but the difference between "career airman" and "lifer" became obvious.  My love of what I was doing was getting in the way of my fellows and I could see a career of conflict coming my way.

Got the hell out.  Never looked back, and have never had a job that depended on signing the back of the check since then.  I've always signed the front of the check.

I'm now 62 and social security is pocket change for me.  Take it away and I could not care less.  I still have a career that I love doing and can't ever see stopping -- until you know when.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 17:09 | 641723 akak
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Rocky, I have a friend, a West Point graduate, whose experience in the army mirrored yours in the air force.  To say that he could not wait until his mandatory seven years were up would be an understatement.  He refuses to this day to talk about his time in the US Army, so disillusioned and embittered did his time with it make him. 

I only hope that your career (and I know what it is) remains as lucrative and as secure as your (or anyone's) Social (In)Security payments are not.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:53 | 642539 RockyRacoon
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Thanks.   I have had some varied careers and started a number of businesses.  All of them small, one-man operations for the most part.   I sold the last one and am still getting monthly payments from that.  Turned a hobby into my current business but started building that 15 years ago.   Selling coins and stamps is a hoot.  I meet some interesting people to say the least.    I've taken nearly all the PM coins down from my website since I'm buying, not selling.  Still make a few deals but only when I can step up from silver to gold or finesse the deal somehow.  I don't ever see stopping that.  I applied for social security the second I was eligible but don't really care if the first check (deposit) ever shows up.  Don't care one way or the other.   Life's good.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 16:28 | 638314 hayleecomet
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Don't get tired, Pondmaster.  You have dignity and integrity, and there are many of us in your situation.  There will be a time when people with your work ethic will be needed to rebuild this horror of a world.

I wish I could believe what I just stated.  However the future unfolds, dignity should always be held in the forefront.

 

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 17:04 | 638361 WaterWings
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+1

Pond, "Regroup!"

Other producers out there also seek mutual safety - proactive, synergistic protection. Give in to the chumps and they will still be prancing and laughing on your grave.

“Justice is conscience, not a personal conscience but the conscience of the whole of humanity. Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience usually recognize also the voice of justice.”

 

      “Even the most rational approach to ethics is defenseless if there isn't the will to do what is right” 

 
Alexander Solzhenitsyn (Russian novelist, Nobel Prize for Literature (1970), b.1918)

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 21:33 | 638670 Pining for the ...
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Water, I completely agree but would add a twist.  Keep being productive, working hard, and being honest- but do it in a manner that DOES NOT SUPPORT THE CRIMINALS AT THE TOP!  What do I mean?  I have my normal job, but used to 1. do outside consulting for extra $, 2. spent a great deal of time investing in the stock market (and for a small fish I was pretty good- beat SP500 returns for 10 years running) and 3. purchased and refurbished rental properties, also on my time away outside the office.  In 2008 I saw what was going to happen to producers, so I deployed my energy and capital elsewhere. 

Sold all my stocks and bought gold (outside the rigged system, nobody elses liability) and some farmland, which I have been gardening the hell out of. No outside paycheck now, but I am working harder than ever and have a boatload of food stored away.  Much less cash for groceries, and far fewer taxes paid into a corrupt and dying system. I am just as hardworking and productive as before, but the products of my labor are going straight to my family, no middlemen. Let’s see them try to tax those potatoes between my plot and my dinner table.

My point?  Be as productive as possible, be honest and hardworking, but do so, to the greatest possible extent, outside a corrupted system designed to fleece you.  Honestly, my last year of going Galt was the best of my life- there is nothing like doing a hard days work and knowing that every last thing you produce goes straight to you and your family.  It was the first time in my life I have ever experienced this. 

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 22:17 | 638726 WaterWings
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I bow to you. The lovely withdrawal.

Folks, go out swinging.

"Many of you have already found out, and others will find out in the course of their lives, that truth eludes us if we do not concentrate our attention totally on it's pursuit. But even while it eludes us, the illusion of knowing it still lingers and leads to many misunderstandings. Also, truth seldom is pleasant; it is almost invariably bitter."

 

"Do not pursue what is illusory - property and position: all that is gained at the expense of your nerves decade after decade and can be confiscated in one fell night. Live with a steady superiority over life - don't be afraid of misfortune, and do not yearn after happiness; it is after all, all the same: the bitter doesn't last forever, and the sweet never fills the cup to overflowing."

 

"Own only what you can always carry with you: know languages, know countries, know people. Let your memory be your travel bag." 
 

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."

 

"This it is that we always pay dearly for chasing after what is cheap." 
 
— Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 22:35 | 638753 chopper read
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you, sir, are my hero.

Sun, 10/10/2010 - 15:14 | 639597 nuinut
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+1 

The return of personal responsibility and integrity cannot be charted in financial terms.

This is TRUE wealth.

My vision of our post-consolidation future is overwhelmingly positive.

In real terms.

 

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 17:03 | 638356 Al Gorerhythm
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Pondmaster, your moral compass is in fine order. However, I think that your course bearing needs to take into account the magnetic deviation of the "Financial" juggernaut. There be rocks and reefs ahead, matey, and Sirens to lure you. Keep a weather eye!

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 17:16 | 638374 tip e. canoe
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rode by a piece of graffiti today:

"INTEGRITY WILL BE THE MOST PRIZED COMMODITY OF THE 21ST CENTURY."

...even if it's now the most undervalued.  stay long & strong PM.

Sun, 10/10/2010 - 01:12 | 638911 scaleindependent
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+1

 

Thank you for the reminder.

Sun, 10/10/2010 - 02:17 | 638959 Real Estate Geek
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You apparently live in a better neighborhood than mine.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 14:10 | 638080 midtowng
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I totally agree. Americans are more likely to surrender their liberties (what remains of them) in exchange for a military strongman who promises the moon, creates scapegoats, and has no respect for the Constitution. In the end, the strongman will always embrace the wealthy elite, just like the corrupt bastards before him.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 14:13 | 638089 Psquared
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This is beginning to sound Biblical.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 19:08 | 638488 RockyRacoon
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Ye doth not thiketh for naught!

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 14:58 | 638159 macholatte
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...even though mightily pissed off, would rather follow someone promising them justice (unpleasant consequences to follow later), than conduct a passive revolution.

 

The "passive revolution" should be first and, as we shall see on the first Tuesday of this November, it will be as limp as Alan Greenspan's dick.  Then you get to test your theory, and that of many here, and my bet is that the sheeple will go bah-bah-bah all the way back to their TV's and beer.

How many people here have sent money to Ran Paul (son of Ron), Sharon Angle (running against Reid) and John Dennis (running against Pelosi)? Less than 5% I'll wager. How many here tried to help Peter Schiff?

Revoluton? Not here at ZH and not here in Amerika.  Dream on.

 

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 15:52 | 638244 tmosley
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And how many millions or billions have the people here and the readers saved for themselves and denied to the banksters and government from what they have learned here?  Never underestimate the power of words.

The American Revolution was certainly never won by donations to members of Parliament.  It was, however, funded by money that was denied to the tax collectors.  We might not be tarring and feathering them yet, but that day isn't too far away.

ZH is the modern day equivalent of the pubs where the ideals of the Revolution spread, and where plans were made.  If the last revolution was born in a pub, the next one will be known to have been founded online.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 20:13 | 638566 DudleyDoRight
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Mr. Lira has it absolutely right.  Brian and Lisa and many, many others will start repeating in a major, major way the refrain starting at 4:07: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzBA15lQFl8

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 13:17 | 641099 ertyqway
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We've finally reached the point where the low-impact option to get us out of this mess is a military coup.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 10:27 | 637713 DavidC
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Thanks Tyler and Gonzalo.

For those who missed it or aren't aware of it, Gonzalo appeared on Max Keiser the other day.

http://maxkeiser.com/watch/the-keiser-report/keiser-report-83-05-october...

DavidC

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 10:50 | 637739 ISEEIT
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Only a moron conspiracy theory believing dupe would ever imagine current events thru the lens of Cloward/Piven strategy? I mean come on, that idea is just batshit crazy right?

The far left would surely never aim to topple a society in order to perform a coup that would result in the establishment of a soviet style prison? Right?

I mean the far left just wouldn't do that, not in America, right?

It's not actually happening, right?

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 11:02 | 637758 New_Meat
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Nope, never happened in New York City, right Mayor Lindsay?

- Ned

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 11:14 | 637770 Wynn
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What's worse; the far left or the far right? Both blame their problems on the other side, and both are inflexible to compromise, so both sides will pull farther and farther apart. Expect to see Hitler or Marx types crop up in the near future.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 11:37 | 637813 Suisse
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You're an idiot.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 11:48 | 637819 Wynn
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  ... on second thought

The far right is the most dangerous force in the world today, bar none.

 

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 12:16 | 637869 Cow
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yea.  because everyone knows Hitler was far right.  right?  right?  WTF did "Nazi" stand for anyway?

D'oh!

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 15:29 | 638208 macholatte
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Abe Lincoln was considered far right.

The Obama taught Alynski at Columbia and is considered an Alynski expert. His specialty was as a community organizer.

This is fact! Do an internet search and spend 20 minutes doing some research on the communist in the White House before shooting off your ignorant, partisan mouth.

Sun, 10/10/2010 - 12:41 | 639386 Cow
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Do you understand sarcasm?  Try and keep up.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 17:31 | 638391 delacroix
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ashkeNAZI

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 17:33 | 638394 delacroix
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oops

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 12:19 | 637875 DosZap
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Your really an idiot.

Have you heard ONE Far Right, any RIGHT individual talking about, belieiving in Euthansia?.

Actually condoning it, the need for it?...........

Well fool, you have a CZAR, a MAJOR player in the current admin who have trumpeted this view forever.

He is ONE, of their main cogs.

The Clyde & Piven mantra, and the Alinskityes are breeding in the Peoples House.

Their policies, and plans are right down this alley.........

Although the are fools, and think we are too, and that we are too stupid, illiterate to actually believe that they are serious.........

They are dead serious.

Ignore their kind at your peril.

What party is it that has allowed, 50 million babies to be murdered?.Not the RIGHT..........

You fall into the category of the Useful idiot.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 14:12 | 638087 granolageek
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No, the far right prefers to drag people away in the middle of the night.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 15:59 | 638267 Attitude_Check
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Do not confuse the right (far or not) or left for that matter (far or not) with a totatitarian regime.  A totalitarian regime is neither right nor left -- it is just evil.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 19:12 | 638493 RockyRacoon
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I dunno.  I think the far left koo-aid has a tad bit more sugar in it.

All of it tasing like crap because they both use tainted water.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 21:12 | 638648 trav7777
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We need to euthanize the banksters.

But, population control at this point is a must.

We have no choice but to transition from a growth-based model to a steady-state one.  A growing population against declining production means an increase in aggregate poverty.

There are continents which will need to rediscover how to feed themselves.  At some point, "land reform" will have to yield to hunger.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 12:59 | 637947 chunkylover42
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defend that statement.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 13:13 | 637965 Buckaroo Banzai
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More people in the history of the earth have been killed in the name of Communism, Marxism, and Socialism, than under any other banner or ideology. Lump in the unborn and the number swells even further.

That is a fact, and its not even close. The murderous left wins over the murderous right by a ratio of ... what? at least 10 to 1. Maybe even more depending on how you count it.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 13:28 | 637992 bronzie
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"More people in the history of the earth have been killed in the name of Communism, Marxism, and Socialism, than under any other banner or ideology"

even more than in the name of religion?

it's hard to separate the church from govt throughout history so maybe your statement is accurate

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 16:02 | 638272 Attitude_Check
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Comunism and Marxism IS A RELIGION.  That's why most communist countries outlaw any other form of religion - or keep it on a very tight leash.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 18:08 | 638426 nmewn
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"even more than in the name of religion?"

Way more than religion...by far bronzie...it's not even close.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 14:27 | 638111 AnAnonymous
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Good propaganda. That is more because of one side bodycounting and the others being unable to do the same.

How many killed for capitalism? My guess is that the official body counts are zero.

Hint: sometimes, in order to build credibility, propaganda has to concede a kind of self admission. 

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 17:56 | 638416 tmosley
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This is among the dumbest things I have ever read.  Name one god damned massacre that was done in the name of capitalism.  It never happened.  It's like crooning about the countless millions killed in the name of pacifism.

Capitalism is a system that relies on money to distribute goods and services.  Socialism relies on force.  By definition, capitalism will not kill any mass of people.  At worst, you might have the occassional murder.  It is only under socialism that you get purges and holocausts.

Take your handwaving bullshit and get out.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 20:18 | 638578 MsCreant
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What of wars for oil, not declared, but quietly fought to secure the resource in the name of bringing freedom or some such, to the indigenous populations there? Are these done in the name of capitalism, or not. I think technically they have all been done "in the name of capitalism."

Me, I'd like to see us try some capitalism. Might be a cool system.

Sun, 10/10/2010 - 03:24 | 639003 AnAnonymous
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That is exactly what I wrote.

Capitalism hands out a zero list.

Highly credible.

More a matter of recognition or more exactly, being forced to recognize one's crimes.

Jails are full of innocent people, it is well known. Too bad for them they do not have the power to enforce their point of view.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 16:11 | 638292 firstdivision
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I am amazed that you took out GWB balls out of your mouth long enough to type this.  Ask the people of carpet bombed countries like Vietnam about their body counts from those far right capitalist people.  And as someone pointed out, religion is by far the biggest ideology that has killed more than any political skirmish, espcially when looked at in a percentage per earth's population. 

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 18:06 | 638424 tmosley
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You make a false assumption there.  You think that the United States was capitalist at the time that that war was going on.  It was not, and has not been since 1913.  Since the day that the Federal Reserve was founded, the United States has been a COMMUNIST nation.  The only thing seperating us from the Soviets was that we allowed the pretension of private property and individual rights, but the economy was 100% PLANNED.

It seems to me that the only wars that have ever been fought in the name of capitalism were Revolutions, where the only people killed by capitalists were aggressors coming into secceding terretories (ie the American Revolution and the Civil War).  In the case of the civil war, the link is more tenuous, as the South was slaveholding, and more strongly linked to the system of serfdom than capitalism.

Sat, 10/09/2010 - 19:01 | 638475 firstdivision
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Then you're stating there is no difference between the left nor the right (which I would have to agree with).

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