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Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:07 | 678878 President Palin
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"... the dissolution of the European Union by December of 2012; and very likely—insane as it might now sound—a de facto dictatorship in the United States."

 

Hmmmm.... 2012... wonder who will be elected president in November 2012?  ;-)

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:46 | 678985 walküre
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Complete and utter bull.

The EU will not be dissolved in the short term. If anything, the EU will expand and more countries will adopt the Euro in the foreseeable future.

Who cares which ass will get elected to occupy 1600 Penn Ave for the next term Presidency?

The show will continue, new hand selected and carefully groomed actors but the story is the same.

 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:32 | 679085 thermroc
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So no changes at all? We just continue as is, indefinitely?

You're deluded my friend.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 20:21 | 679181 Herd Redirectio...
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Right now 'Experts' are our Gods, whether they are experts on economics, politics, religion...

That will change, as the people lose 'faith'.

IMO, everything (economic policy, gov't intervention, etc.) should be determined according to trial and error.  But first we have to reset the system.  

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Tue, 10/26/2010 - 21:22 | 679319 Everyman
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Exposing the oligarchy one psycho at a time.

 

Now THAT is a quote!

 

+10000000

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 23:42 | 679651 hbjork1
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I agree with walkure>

The story does not have to "be the same".  Having had the opportunity to watch the American body politic through WWII and the decades since I think the populace is starting to "sober up" in terms of their expectations.  The grief isn't over yet and I am seeing some little signs that the inflation that will offend a lot of people, including me, is starting.  There will be demonstrations and political rancor but the public is beginning to be interested in what kind of people they are electing.  We will be more tired, even exhausted by the combination of deflation of income and inflation of costs and increase in random theft.  But, IMO the "movie star" model in politics will go out and the conservative ethical model will become more popular.  Those dramatically seeking attention will gradually give it up as they discover that no one is paying attention to that anymore. 

Yep, it will take 2 or 3 years.  A lot of honest people will have been somewhat cheated but the population will eventually support ethical governance.  For those who don't understand "ethical governence" that means penalties for fraud at all levels, including public office.  And there will be no real revolution because, when all is said and done, we do have a representative government even though it is a large land mass with big differences in climate and approaches to living.  Approach to exhaustion will be the pacifier.  Except for Canada, there will be no place that the middle American can go and be reasonably at home.

Folks who want perspective on the push toward WWII should read "Paris 1919"(Six Months that Changed the World) by Margaret MacMillian.  Not a hard read but a heafty book with detailed accounts of the people and events.  It details how the various deciders got to where they were and some indication of how the alignments of WWII were established 20 years later. 

Best I can do.  Time to park my keyboard and watch to see how it all turns out. 

 

 

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 09:55 | 680293 chopper read
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great to hear your perspective.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 04:43 | 679914 Pondmaster
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Didn't you hear ?The Mayan calender is off on its alledged predictions. Besides who would listen to a bunch of child sacrificers . Now as to our Economic system . They are sacrificing everyone not in their "class". The unwashed if you will . Yes Wall St and the Banks and the Fed are acolytes of the one world religion . Money and Power . What did Saruman in the Lord of the Rings ask the UriKiah Orc ? "Whom do you serve?"  Mr Lira you are SPOT ON about this being a religion .  Have you read about Babylon in the Bible book Revelations ? That is where the real conclusions to your points are. 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 20:16 | 679174 Rahm
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President Palin, can I be your Chief of Staff?

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 01:11 | 679786 Problem Is
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Lil' Rahm-Tard Has a Woody!
You mean: "President McMILF can I be your chief staff?"

staff : noun \'staf\ : a long stick or rod (see: Johnson).

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 04:33 | 679913 Moonrajah
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Didn't you hear? Under Palin most current posts will be cancelled and new ones will be created:

Chief of Stuff (Treasury)

Chief of Huff (Propaganda)

Chief of Puff (Military)

Chief of Muff (Free Porn for sheeple)

Chief of Duh (Attorney General)

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 08:39 | 680111 trav7777
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you are just threatened by powerful women

Thu, 10/28/2010 - 01:27 | 682541 Moonrajah
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Intelligent women? Maybe.

Palin? I feel like I'm in a fucking slapstick for retards.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 23:30 | 679632 Walter_Sobchak
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how bout cut spending, cut taxes, end the fed, outlaw lobbying?

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 23:49 | 679669 Oh regional Indian
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Actually even you may be surprised at who.

Also a new word (it was new to me) and one that near threw me off my chair when I first saw it...

Palingenesis:

academic political theoristRoger Griffin refers to fascism as "palingenetic ultranationalism". The best examples of this can be found with both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany - Italy looking to establish a palingenetic line between the 20th century regime under Benito Mussolini as being the second incarnation of the Roman Empire, while Adolf Hitler's regime was seen as being the third palingenetic incarnation - beginning first with theHoly Roman Empire ("First Reich") then with Bismarck's German Empire ("Second Reich") and then resulting in Nazi Germany ("Third Reich").

 

Cannot make this stuff up, eh?

Now who will be the Veep? Let's save that for another day!

ORI

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Wed, 10/27/2010 - 02:18 | 679847 Coldfire
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Kinda like Mooselini 2012.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 13:24 | 680911 Cathartes Aura
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Palingenesis - love the concepts behind this word. . .

great find ORI!

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:13 | 678893 Diamond Jim
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It is no science as the results are never reproduceable, ie. no one can take the same data and expect to get exactly the same result. People and markets are always in flux. They can predict, computer simulate (with biased data and models) and hypothesize....but then again so do climate "scientists".....

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:55 | 679011 mikla
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Agreed that it is not a science, but disagree that they can "predict" and "computer simulate".

I'm not trying to be cute:  Economists are not smart enough to predict, nor to computer simulate.  They aren't even smart enough to do it in a "fake" manner.  (Steven Keen seems to be the lone exception, as he was an engineer before he turned economist, and remains disgusted at his own field.)

Quite literally, economists are murderers, morons, and mental midgets.

Again, I'm not trying to be cute:  They really *are* idiots.  They really *do* murder millions.  Just listen to Krugman, and feel your brain cells whithering away.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/long-periods-drought-%E2%80%A6-followed-high-winds

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 20:03 | 679148 Herd Redirectio...
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I think he was using irony, because he was referring to ClimateGate, the climate 'scientists' who were fudging data in order to provide the results they were looking for.

The real question is whether the oligarchy is dumb, or whether they benefit from the boom-crash economy.  The economists have been telling the ruling elite what they want to hear. 

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Wed, 10/27/2010 - 08:38 | 680107 mikla
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I think he was using irony, because he was referring to ClimateGate, the climate 'scientists' who were fudging data in order to provide the results they were looking for.

Ok.  My response is still that at least the people pretending to do "climate studies" actually have the good sense to fabricate plausible results, even if they have to hide their falsified data.  Economists are too stupid to do even that.

The real question is whether the oligarchy is dumb, or whether they benefit from the boom-crash economy.

They are mere snake oil salesmen.  The provide nothing, through deceit and fraud, in exchange for a paycheck.  They are comprised of (1) true idiots, and (2) mercenaries willing to rationalize any concept to curry favour from the central planners.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:29 | 680375 Citxmech
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According to Popper, science seeks the [small-t] pragmatic "truth" by posing questions in a falsifiable manner and disseminating the results for public scrutiny - thus a well-formulated hypothesis that yields the predicted results will be accepted by the scientific community...  until it doesn't.  Inconsistent hypotheses will be reconciled by continued attempts at falsification of the incompatible hypotheses until consistency is achieved.  A hypothesis that consistently yields good results will be elevated to "theory" status.  Re-evaluation of theories are scientific revolutions.  The big-T truth is, of course, never attained - but we get further from ignorance as the process continues.

Under Popper's paradigm, macro probably fits into the "pseudo-science" category with things like psychology, where complex inter-related dynamic systems are attempted to be understood by unfalsifiable gross oversimplifications.

 

 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:15 | 678898 Dismal Scientist
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Thanks, GL. The 'pragmatic' approach you label yourself with will resonate with many people, I suspect. Unfortunately not the TPTB though, or their political puppets. There's no mileage for them in such solutions.

Meanwhile, lets enjoy the hair splitting from the various factions in response to your post.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:43 | 678973 Sean7k
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I will start. Austrians do not advocate cutting spending, raising taxes, balance the budget. Austrians advocate minimum government or no government. No Taxes and no budget. If you will have a budget, it will be approved and paid by taxes the people have agreed to pay. They are against ALL intervention in free markets with the protection of private property the only legal commandment. 

They do not attempt to predict the future, because human action makes it a meaningless exercise. Further, Austrian economics is only truly valid in a free market and we have never had one and probably never will.

Austrians believe the greatest liberty exists when the individual is sovereign. 

This makes Austrian economics, in my mind, both a panacea and a plague. For the elites would never allow its' introduction and the elites have always been able to maintain rule.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:47 | 678990 jm
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Austrian economics is only truly valid in a free market and we have never had one and probably never will.

 

So it's fucking worthless, right?

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:52 | 679002 walküre
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In "theory" your conclusions are completely correct. However practically, to concede your point wouldn't have a whole lot of upside to sell to the market.

In other words: People want to be lied to.

Keynes and his whole gang of Wiener Schnitzel economists figured this out.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:58 | 679019 jm
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Here's a policy prescription:

Ben needs to be the "anti-Ben".  For once, be exactly the opposite of the douschelord he is.  He would short-squeeze all the deserving for a change.

"Chicken salad on rye!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUvKE3bQlY

 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:46 | 679111 Gordon Freeman
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"and a cup of tea!" LOL

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:53 | 679007 Sean7k
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Within the current restraints of the system, yes, except for the purpose of providing an alternative viewpoint. Which allows us to see just how criminal monetarism is.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:05 | 679031 jm
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Then work out logical conclusions given current constraint of the system. To talk about how things should be when there is no realistic chance in hell of ever getting there from here leaves one more than a little baked.  Accept there are things that cannot be changed by you, concern yourself with things you can impact by your own effort, try to understand those things well, find mispricings, leave emotion out of it as best you can.

Or stand on the streetcorner passing out Austrian economics pamphlets to stoners.

 

 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:12 | 679044 Sean7k
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If you read my other posts, you will see exactly what my "logical" conclusions are and how to implement them. All guided by Austrian theory. I want to see the system destroyed- you want to live within it- good luck with that. I have a fall back position that mitigates the worst parts of monetarism- do you?

Any idea what your avatar really means? I just see a lot of Yin.

 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:22 | 679068 jm
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You and I both have to live within it.  There's no alternative. There is no grand revolution coming to the rescue that puts all the bad guys on the bottom (or jail) and ushers in a golden age of freedom and non-bullshit.  You should work for evolution.

Real revolutions leave everyone worse off, poorer, and most likely mourning the loss of loved ones.  And then a new set of skimmers takes over on top.

Russian peasants were all-in on killing the kulaks with a sickle.  A couple of years later Stalin was killing them with a hammer. 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 20:27 | 679196 zaknick
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I think you're wrong. There is no way these scumbags can get away with this murderous madness they call our reality. They've hollowed out the American economy (the true basis of their own power) handing out so-called free trade agreements which were just bribes in exchange for bankster interests in unfathomable wealth overseas (not in China's case where they finally obtained what they always wanted: slave laborers).

I also fail to see how most folks come out poorer after a revolution with the inequality rates of today. Do you not understand that the wealth production capability of this nation was stolen? Financial garbage was the biggest export by far in the US. A revolution that squeezes the oligarch's interests opens up economic opportunity for entrepreneurs which is 1. a job and wealth creator, 2.the way nature meant it to be until these bankster supported bandits took over the economy as if it was their own little plantation and we their slaves.

It is untrue that after major changes a new prosperous for all economy cannot emerge from the ashes of the curse of the present system, especially with the talent on tap in America and the gutting of decrepit monopolies and policies that stink of fascism.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 21:01 | 679280 jm
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Sure, I could be wrong. But venom and anger about how things are doesn't make a brighter future. 

You talk about "murderous madness"... injustice, sure.  It has happened everyday since humans lived.  But to talk of murderous madness is so rhetorically out of proportion that it is an injustice to people that have actually been killed and tortured and murdered.  There is real murderous madness in this world, but not here.  Let's both hope murderous madness never really happens here. 

You and I have every right to be angry about how awful things are, but it can't absolve everyone of responsibility.  I'm not going to try and assign blame, because everyone had a part in making this shit sandwich... everyone take a bite.  Shared sacrifice and time.

I'm all for innovation and entreprenuership.  But I'll let return on capital decide how nature decides on things.

Bankster bandits taking over.  People with money bribe politicians.  This is how it has always been and always will be.  Revolutions just make a new set of people that bribe a new set of politicians.  After the herd gets thinned out, of course.

No doubt that prosperity is possible here.  But when you talk about "emerging from ashes", that's an obstacle to it.  You unleash that and there's nothing but pain and trouble.  It is easy to trivialize this.  At everyone's peril.

Peace.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 21:17 | 679309 zaknick
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There are literally millions of innocent people and children around the world and right here in the goood ole US of A who would disagree with you negation of murderous insanity.

As to everything else you said, I would rather be free than a slave to other men and their games. Dylan said something like, "you play with my world like it's your own little toy". That to me is un-freaking-acceptable. Capisce? Most of the misery in this world is man-made. I'll worry about the next bunch of fascists when the time comes, for now I'll concentrate of opposing them any way I can which is why I spout off so much around here.

Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln, Garfield, JFK all knew and warned us of the dangers we face today. I have known peace and prosperity and I know it can exist no matter what you say.

Peace

 

 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 23:43 | 679652 Walter_Sobchak
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jm you are a defeatist. zaknick you are an idealist.  Civilization is fascism.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 06:39 | 679942 jm
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There is nothing defeatist in accepting the truth and pursuing one's own individual interests as best as possible.  Civilization is not fascism.  It does get hijacked by ideology and bed-time stories gone oh-so-freaking-wrong.  F. Hayek would be spinning in his grave reading some of these posts.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 21:51 | 679379 tmosley
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Not really.  Contrary to what the above poster said, Austrian economics can and routinely is used to predict the consequences of government actions.

Read "Human Action" and you will see.  If that is too dense for you, read "How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes" to get the basic idea.

What the above poster SHOULD have said is that the ideal system proposed by Austrians would be a free market, and that anything short of that isn't really an "Austrian economy".  It's like saying because there is no such thing as a truly free market, then free market economics is worthless.  That doesn't really make much sense.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 22:56 | 679573 Sean7k
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What I meant is: in light of a post that attempts to measure the accuracy of economic theories, it is important to recognize a theory's limitations when appraised in an economy that is not a full expression of the theory. 

You may use parts of it, but it's predictability is compromised. I hope that makes more sense.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 03:52 | 679895 hugolp
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But this is part of hard science as well. This is part of everything.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:29 | 679061 B9K9
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My father, the long time MIC intelligence operative, taught me the most important rule:

He who complains has already lost.

Some may notice that my posts never promote any ideals, nor complain about how things actually are, or deplore that the pace of change is too slow, etc.

Nope, they're usually just straight observations about how things actually work, with a little bit of monetary mechanics thrown in to support certain conclusions.

Life is really quite simple: we are born, grow & develop, decline & die. During our peak growth & development stage(s), we must compete for scarce resources in order to support the offspring that typically result from successful mating strategies. Evolutionary pressures have resulted in the manifestation of certain behaviors centered around organizational power.

Societies & cultures are simply amalgamations of individuals, so they tend to mirror and replicate individual behavior. The quest for power consolidation is a key foundational element of government. Since most people are ill equipped to survive this type of environment, the strong always rise to the top.

However, and this is a huge however, as noted above, these self-same societies, cultures & governments are also subject to the immutable laws of nature: they are born, grow & develop, then enter a period of decline and die.

What does this mean to us? Simple - don't bother complaining. Just let nature takes its course. If a society/culture/government is presently in a growth & development stage (ie at its peak power), it is a waste of time/energy to complain or attempt to effect meaningful change. OTOH, if it is entering the decay/death cycle, one need not do anything other than perhaps give a gentle 'push'.

The USA, as it is presently constructed, is in terminal decline. The Fed cannot fight the math - they needed some incredible new growth component to bury the last decade of fraud. Sadly, at least for them, it is not forthcoming. The MIC is not going to take-one-for-the-team by accepting blame for two more lost wars. Anyone with the slightest heightened sense of awareness can tell that the marriage of convenience between the Fed & MIC (that is, $USD backed by military control of ME oil AND military control of ME oil backed by the $USD) is not going to end well.

Rather than endlessly engage in parlor room debates regarding various economic theories, it might profit one to think about the larger scale cycle(s) that are playing out in real time. From the ashes a new form of organization will arise - will you make it through the bottleneck and/or benefit from the new paradigm?

I suggest this is what people should be contemplating and planning.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:34 | 679089 Sean7k
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+++++

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 22:05 | 679173 DavidPierre
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"...it might profit one to think about the larger scale cycle(s) that are playing out in real time."

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April 20, 2004

Gold $397.40 - Silver $6.92

The Rothschild Exit

Rothschilds withdraw from the gold markets.

Consider that the House of Rothschild has been rich for centuries.

Consider that they are born rich, grow up rich and die rich.

They consider themselves to be members of some type of aristocracy. Grubbing for money is certainly not their style and they would not stoop to the level of overt illegal criminal conduct and expose themselves.
The shortages for delivery that exist in silver and gold (these are legal contracts to deliver, after all).... have reached the point where a careful cartel participant may feel the LEGAL line of fraud is about to be crossed.

How can you make a promise to deliver what you don't have? Of course, if you don't expect anyone to ask for delivery, than the risk is slight. But that is not where we are now.

Their attorneys told them to save their skins and completely cut their ties to the scam.

The Rothschilds haven't stayed rich for so long by making of themselves big fat targets for avenging lawyers. Whatever the real story is, this is a sign of the strain the cartel is under today.
....................................................................

Rothschilds knew way back when what was coming down the pike.

 

via lemetropolecafe

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 20:38 | 679215 zaknick
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That's what I mean, this corruption of the natural scheme of things cannot hold. You can either have a healthy economy or an empire but not both. Thank God!

Always did enjoy reading your comments.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 20:39 | 679218 philgramm
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B9K9,

This is one of the more profound posts I have read here on ZH.  There are very smart readers on this site but I often sense the immense frustration that the readers (myself included) feel with the current paradigm.  It seems the smart thing to do is try to prepare for the inevitable collapse in this boom/bust cycle and to try to live as true to oneself as possible without being a pawn.  Oh.......and try to have a laugh or two along the way (I can always count on ZH readers to provide my daily dose of yucks)

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 03:26 | 679877 AnAnonymous
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I will start.

 

 

Abrahamic religions have this in common: they are the only true religion at the exclusion of others.

Thanks to your efforts, it appears austrian followers share the same convictions.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 05:41 | 679922 Dr. Acula
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"This makes Austrian economics, in my mind, both a panacea and a plague. For the elites would never allow its' introduction"

You misunderstand the nature of Austrian economics. AE is wertfrei (value-free) and can advocate neither low taxes nor high taxes. It is not a bunch of opinions, but rather a body of apodictic truths. It cannot be "introduced" any more than "1+1=2" can be introduced.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:20 | 678899 Cognitive Dissonance
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It matters not whether your followers have benefited from your preaching. It matters only that your disciples do as they are taught and continue to weave their wool and deceive their sheep.

As long as the economic shock and awe troops aka economists, money managers and financial product salesmen continue to support the masters of the universe, the followers will continue to get coal in their statements and be told it's divine diamonds in the rough.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:31 | 678941 zaknick
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Exactly. Like psychiatrists and psychologists (maybe not all) are just drug peddlers making up quackery as they go along with big pharma's part of the fascist plan. It really is criminal to push pills on somebody who's unwell emotionally for 30 years doing God knows what to them (the FDA sold out long ago) and never "fixing" the issue.

 

I could go on and on about so much corruption in the society but why bother... if you don't know by now, you're one of the sheep headed for slaughter.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:44 | 678975 Sabremesh
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You are missing the point. It doesn't matter if he has mischaracterised Austrian economics - it is still a dogma. Economics is the charlatanry of our age, and future generations will look back at us with the same contempt for believing in it that we currently hold for earlier civilizations who swore by astrology and divination by entrails.

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