Google: A Moral Company

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Sun, 03/21/2010 - 16:10 | 271556 Econophile
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If leaving China was NOT a moral act, then what was it?

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 15:57 | 270491 Gordon_Gekko
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Fri, 03/19/2010 - 15:45 | 270477 i.knoknot
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i would expect any funds google loses from china are easily made up in their 'special contracts' department.

of course, my making such a comment on a public blog must certainly raise flags at that department...

so be it.

i have little trust in any large concentration of power (information=power), given the humans that run it are ... well, human.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:46 | 270413 Captain Willard
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Google is far from perfect, but by the low standards of today's business community, you have to give them props for leaving China. Maybe the kids in China will start wondering more about what their government is hiding from them.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:45 | 270412 sgt_doom
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Being a certified sane person (DOD Human Reliability Program-certified), I find I am frequently baffled by Econophile's  posts.

China is a totalitarian capitalist system, or did it take you awhile to figure that out?

America is a corporate fascist state, which is why the state and local governments, as well as all those corporate entities, have no problem with offshoring all those former American jobs to that totalitarian capitalist country.

Next you'll have an ephiphany that this "healthcare reform" legislation really isn't a government takeover of healthcare, but an extension of the privatization of American healthcare.

(Pssstttt....!!!  The rest of us already know this!)

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:29 | 270395 chinaguy
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But most (Party) members are there for one reason: to gain an advantage over their fellow non-member citizens and benefit from the Party's largess.

Yup, pretty much


Fri, 03/19/2010 - 13:57 | 270352 JuicedGamma
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You gotta be kidding, google is big brother in drag, just have a look sometime at their database they're collecting on you (if you have a gmail account click on web history).

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:47 | 270399 DaveyJones
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I have a little brother in drag, but he hasn't flown to China.

Google is also making huge exclusive digitizing deals with lots of "public" librarires and databases. The guy from Internet Archive made some noise about that about a year ago, but it stayed under the radar.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:38 | 270350 JR
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These are very dark hours for Jefferson’s vision of a personal freedom and individual access to enterprise, property and a people’s government protection.  On the streets of Washington this weekend, and in the graying pages of the mass media, the assault on freedom by the masses of misinformed Americans and potential Americans is at the most dangerous level ever reached.  Never before have the lies and the corruption and erosion of rights been so severe.

At the center of this, as Jefferson foresaw in his letter to Philip Mazzei, 1796, are “the holders in the banks and public funds, a contrivance invented for the purposes of corruption.”   He was speaking about the Federalists’ tilt to the British government model.

“It would give you a fever,” wrote Jefferson, “were I to name to you the apostates who have gone over to these heresies, men who were Samsons in the field and Solomons in the counsil, but who have had their heads shorn by the harlot England.”

These, now, are the members of the United States House of Representatives, choosing to be shorn this weekend.

As the banker-controlled Obama courts socialism, as the Red Chinese pretend to court capitalism all the while building socialism with Chinese characteristics, the international bankers court the goal of Bretton Woods: World Socialism.

Socialism levels and flattens all promise and progress back into the mud again.  Do not be fooled by the Deng Xiaopings, Mao’s successor who held that China’s salvation lay in copying the secrets of Western science and opening China to foreign trade. As noted above, it was to implement the goals of the “Three Represents.”

Deng’s epochal trip to the United States in 1979, after Carter normalized relations with China in December of ’ ’78,  was designed to underscore the correctness of his plan, but it also helped stimulate an insatiable appetite for the bounties of capitalism, as Chinese television beamed back pictures of American suburban living.

When young Chinese began calling for freedom of speech, a backlash set in, and Deng muttered about “bourgeois liberation,” and the People’s Daily began to counteract the glamour of the West that Americans may eat meat and draw high salaries but “the United States is beset by inflation, crime, unemployment, racial conflict, and a collapsing family system.”

That “inflation, crime, unemployment, racial conflict, and a collapsing family system” in the U.S. can be directly attributable to the monetary control of America by the international bankers, i.e., the Fed. And to those voices we continually hear who have attached the word “capitalism” to the results of the criminal conspiracies of these oligarchs, we need to say stop, you are supporting the world’s march to a communism of the masses controlled by the oligarchs. 

And it is always wise to remember: The Chinese Communists are very patient.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 13:46 | 270338 downrodeo
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It seems as though people the world over are starting to realize that the powers that be (the ruling elite/our political masters) generally do a very poor job of ruling us. We are constantly being lied to, cheated, and undermined in our struggle to make ends meet. There isn't an ounce of labor-sweat that they wouldn't try to tax. There is left not one avenue of creative expression that they would leave unregulated. Perhaps, sometime soon, we can reckognize that we would probably be better off governing ourselves on a smaller scale, at a more local level. That is what I am hoping for anyhow. Google is with me too (lmao)!

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 12:55 | 270289 Stranger
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If Google allows itself to be bullied by China, then every third-rate little banana republic will want to boss them around.

It's just plain business.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 12:44 | 270271 BlackBeard
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Animal farm in Chinese LOL

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 12:28 | 270205 williambanzai7
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I just did a Baidu search of "zero hedge". Here are the results:

Not baidu as they say.

I then did a search for the famous Tianamin tank man. Here is the result:

Pretty baidu?

Then I did a tank man search on Google China:

Stil pretty baidu.

Here is what comes up under a USA Google search:

Based on these findings, I believe SEC examiners should not use baidu when surfing for online porn.




Fri, 03/19/2010 - 11:27 | 270152 viahj
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It is rare that a major corporation subordinates its short-term interests for a moral principle. Google will apparently walk away from a 36% share of  China's internet search/advertising market because it will not bow to censorship.

And what exactly was "moral" about Google and Yahoo agreeing to censorship in the first place in order to gain access to China's market?

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 11:17 | 270134 Whats that smell
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For a company to advertize it is "moral" is like a hospital advertizing it is good....If it was really good it wouldn't have to advertize.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 10:53 | 270105 Cow
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"Why would a relatively small group (communist/socialists) wish to oppress the masses?"

That's a trick question, right?

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 09:53 | 270051 Alexandra Hamilton
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That's the great myth they want you to believe, that they are actually communist (they are not even Marxist). They are not, they are corporatist. In fact, your words might just as well describe the United States of America.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 09:33 | 270039 Thorny Xi
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Describing Google or any other soul-less corporation as "moral" is childish at best.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 09:27 | 270034 Cookie
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In view of the rule of the banksters I would struggle to describe the USA as 'liberal' these days.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 09:24 | 270018 nhsadika
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When they have control over information/people, private property, individual govts, and the finances of those govts...  what are you so proud of?  Don't look at a housing boom and cheap goods at Walmart and say "oh we are so free here!"    The facts below are undeniable and I challenge anyone to suggest they do not have powerful levers of control on us as there are in China.   Information control

Project Echelon - launched by NSA after WWII  Anglo American project to intercept every message transmitted by any means.   US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.  Israel particpates Unit 8200 - UK covers middle east, UK Eastern Europe and Russia, NZ covers Pacific.     Use embassies for the purpose of echelon. NSA spies would setup radio and microwave dishes on roofs of embassy disguised as AC and heating pipes.
The member nations cooperate in such a way that none of them is spying on the communciations of citizens from its own nation.  By monitoring the private communications of other nations, they avoid legal prohibitions against a democratic govt's spying on its own citizens. Covers virtually every telephone call, fax, email message.   ...analyzed by NSA supercomputers at Fort Meade, Maryland.   NSA intercepts are processed using voice recognition and translation from 70 languages, and OCR.   At Menwith Hill site in Britain, a voice recognition program called Voicecast can identify and target and voice pattern among 6 billion humans through the globe.   
Justification is western society must be protected against the so called Four Horsemen of Infocalypse; terrorists, drug dealers, sexual predators, and organized crime.

I am quite sure Google knows about nefarious activities spying in the US and has deep links into the wormhole.  Google's CEO disgusts me when he says "if there is something you don't want them to know maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.. "  (ie don't expect privacy).    Then he says, we are all subject to the Patriot act and it is possible that that information will be made available to the authorities."    Google is deep-linked, the decision to leave China is a tell-tale sign of where our relations with China are headed.


Suspension of Constitution and Full State Control  FEMA was created in 1979 through executive order 12148 issued by Carter.   The president has the power to suspend the Constitution in a national crisis and turn over the reigns of govt to FEMA.  The president then can appoint military commanders to control all state and local govts.   A seperate executive order no 12656 declared that National Security Council would be the principal body directing national emergency powers.  FEMAs enormous powers can be trigggered by the president during any perceived domestic or foreign crisis.   Executive orders e.g 10990 govt can seize all modes of transport   no 10995 govt can seize all communications media  no 10997 seize all fuels and resources no matter who owns them 11921 control over energy sources, wages, credit and flow of money in US financial institutions in national emergency.  This order provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the president, Congress cannot review the action for 6 months Corporate Power and Control of Finance  The UN, WTO, WB/IMF are among the major instituions that promote a system favorable to one world govt. Key element is long range strategy to centralize control of international finance.  If a country turns to the iMF and World Bank for assistance they will be required to essentially abandon their national sovereignty. The truth is that the WTO bureacracy would have significant power to pressure nations to change their domestic lasws.  WTO was designed to eliminate a nation's option to ignore GATT dispute panel rulings. The WTO is designed to function as the global trade pillar of a triumvirate that will plan and control the world's economy.  The world Bank and the IMF got off the ground rapidly but the global trad arm was blocked by US senators who concluded it would diminish US sovereignty.   Price to join -accept global free market economy  - pay off all international bank debts as demanded by IMF and World Bank  -privatize all nationalized industries  -remove all barriers to Western investment and trade. Who is pushing for this...huge financial and multinational corporations and the politicians they financially support, pushing us closer to the NWO.  If you want to know more about the financial control mechanisms in play, lookup "Confessions of an Economic Hitman on Youtube.
Fri, 03/19/2010 - 21:16 | 270681 JR
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Thanks for all of this material.  I know that it was time consuming and difficult to locate all of it –particularly on Project Echelon--and pull it together.  Much of it I have been familiar with, but I very much appreciate the total package that you have outlined and the documentation that you have provided.   It is a valuable reference piece.

Sat, 03/20/2010 - 11:54 | 270899 nhsadika
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Thanks.   I was blow away by the Echelon stuff.

It is only fair that I acknolwedge one source especially, this book 

Shadow Government: How the Secret Global Elite Is Using Surveillance Against You (Paperback)

Grant R. Jeffrey

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 04:28 | 269976 Keyser Soze
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Lucas - dude, at least you're allowed to write that without being chucked into jail. I'm not sure you're really aware of the day-to-day differences between your 'big brother' and China's.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 01:54 | 269955 lucasjackson
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Don't get too excited praising Google for it's fine and upstanding moral character.  These guys sell US citizens up the river with warrantless gathering of intel against private citizens in direct violation of the 4th amendment.  If they had the nuts to tell DHS et al to pound sand, then I would contemplate getting a GOOG tattoo on my great marked ass.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 15:56 | 270490 msorense
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Right on.  Also - my company sells mechanical hardware and we were considered by Google for a big server project.  In all my years in business I have never been treated so badly.  Their purchasing manager asked

"Why are your products made in America?  Why not in Mexico or China?"

Even though we offered them a 50% cost savings, it was still not cheap enough.  

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:59 | 270432 Bob
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Exactly.  What a bunch of bullshit. 

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 12:49 | 270282 Dark Helmet
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When the NSA comes to your company and says they want access to your data to monitor U.S. citizens (or for any other reason) in the name of "national security," this is not a request.

Do you really think they have a choice?

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:58 | 270430 Flyingtrader
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Yes, they do...

No one said moral choices were easy ones.  The public's opinion about both Google and privacy in general might take a different tone if Google were to PUBLICALLY an LOUDLY reject DHS requests.  If the scope and nature of these requests were known, it might galvanize public opinion against such practices.

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 15:24 | 270460 Dark Helmet
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It would probably galvanize public opinion against Google, since half the public still thinks bin Laden is hiding under their bed. Family security matters?!?!? Won't somebody please think of the children!??!!?!?

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:27 | 270390 DaveyJones
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when the prior guard made the same request to QWEST and the head cheese said take a hike, he magically ended up in jail. (but that doesn't make Google moral, we all have to stand up to make this work) 

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 10:50 | 270097 Cow
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True.  Any company whose motto is "Don't be evil"....well they're evil.  Sorta like Obama and Pelosi saying they're transparent.

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