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GoogleEarth Based 3D Map Of Real-Time Radioactivity Distribution In Japan; Projected Global Radioactivity Dispersion
Confirming that in a time of instantaneous crowdsourced information distribution and analysis, any attempt by a government to institute an information blackout of any nature is doomed to failure, is the following amazing Google Earth-based 3D interactive map of Geiger readings from Japan. And if that is not enough, the Pachube community has released an extensive selection of crowd-sourced realtime radiation monitoring tools and widgets, focusing on as many Japanese territories as possible. Shortly we are confident all geographical holes will be filled, and every square mile of the affected territories will be mapped out surpassed the government's "Under Survey" blackout attempts.
Make sure to have the GoogleEarth API set up in advance of checking out the plugin.
Additionally, here is the most recent updated global radioactive fallout per ZAMG.
And a complete list of all the available crowdsourced radiation maps, applications and tutorials
- #geigermaps by @haiyan
- javascript map by @motoishmz
- Instructions for connecting up a geiger counter to Pachube (in Japanese) by @kotobuki
- RDTN by @rdtnorg
- All feeds on Pachube, mapped by search 'radiation' by Pachube
- Hacking a Geiger Counter in Nuclear Tokyo by akiba
- 3D realtime radiation in Japan (below) by uh
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10,000 times background...you realize that is only like 2mSv/hr, right?
To be honest with you, I think your post is utterly devoid of facts and is instead full of total conjecture.
I don't how many times you mfers can blabber about the end of the world and be wrong- you did it ALL last week. The world was supposed to be over by now, Tokyo abandoned, Japan blanketed in fallout.
I would imgaine a city the size of Tokyo would end over time.
The smart people leave first.
The dumb people remain.
You talk like Tokyo would just evaporate out of thin air...which obviously would never happen but don't talk like the exodus has not begun.
Again, facts? Demonstrate exodus of Tokyo...all ears, bob.
And yeah I think you guys did claim that shit was going to go bang overnight. I think it was supposed to have happened over one of the nights last week.
What exodus?
You were in Tokyo when recently?
Obviously, you don't know wtf you're talking about.
Idiot.
Uhh, this one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/15/radiation-tokyo-flights-canc...
You sure you aren't a sock puppet of Trav's? You sure do seem to be defending some inane shit of his.
Funny, looking through some of your posts, I see you apologizing for government at every possible opportunity, without overtly supporting the government, and even talking it down. Much like Trav, but with a very different writing style.
I'm starting to wonder if you two little shits aren't plants.
You are totally fucking retarded and not even capable of understanding the bullshit you read. The "Exodus" they are talking about in the news article is the short term working visa foreigners leaving. Do you know why?
No, you don't, because you are a dumbass.
They are leaving mostly because business is down and their company is paying for the ticket. There is no exodus of the Japanese and even the long term resident foreigners are staying.
How do I know this? I live in Japan.
Keep writing and making a complete ass of yourself.
you are incorrigibly stupid
now get out of your whitopia and go live with the nice black people you worship. Tell me about how 'everybody is the same' when we see 200 blacks and 2 whites looting a walmart.
"10,000 times background...you realize that is only like 2mSv/hr, right?" - trav777
What is your point? Although exposure to 2mSv/hr for just a few hours might not pose a serious health risk, such continuous exposure for more than a week would clearly pose an increasingly serious health risk.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-drw-TiD8qus/TYfQTWEBXMI/AAAAAAAAC7M/e6jNWomZwHU/s1600/Radiation-exposure-levels-001-715784.jpg
good thing that nobody is going to be exposed to that continuously for a week then huh?
2 mS/hour and everyone is dead in three months, moron. You reach the maximum allowed dose for radiation workers in a YEAR in 25 hours.
SO?
The issue was radiation levels in a fuckin busted nuclear plant. Not whether this is something desirable for the public at large.
2 mSv won't kill anybody within any reasonable worker timeframe.
People like you come in and say shit like "TEN THOUSAND TIMES NORMAL" OMGWTF. As if that is some level that is going to fry people in an instant. A number like that without CONTEXT is useless.
How the fuck do you think they are going to be able to build the equivalent of six great pyramids of Giza without tens of thousands of worker deaths all while magically stopping the current levels of radiation from worsening?
Get the fuck out of here you collectivist moron.
I thought the picture showed that two pyramids would adequately cover the four buildings.
I wonder if you're capable of chewing gum and walking at the same time...six great pyramids? WTF...you just continually pull shit out of your ass, get shown up, then keep going as if it never happened.
tens of thousands...jeezus; how many have died so far? the deaths so far were from the explosions.
Carry on, idiot.
Hey shit for brains--if the reactors are to be entombed, you are going to have to build a containment sarcophagus around them. The pools are more than 100 feet in the air. This, in fact, means that you will have to build buildings that are slightly smaller than the Great pyramid to get the job done.
Funny how YOU were accusing ME of normalcy bias. What a shitstain.
Also, three radiation deaths so far. And we haven't even reached the level where the chronically exposed start dropping off.
hasn't been a single report outside of your moonbat conspiracy websites citing a single radiation death so far, you fuckin liar.
Oh man, they are really fucked.
what about a baseline? maybe the ones in the US?
fukushima is "off the charts"!
this is only the "source distribution" and may need some kinda log scale? or a page to the ceiling?
when we see the "fallout distribution" we may need to change our underwear.
keep an eye on England tomorrow....300,000 estimated to protest in london
http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/
about?
Edit: ooops... you added a link now.
Edit_2: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/mar/26/protest-march-coalition-cu...
Small protest in Tokyo today, also some interesting background on another BWR sitting on a seismic fault.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12868364
NOT COOL!
FEMA camps for the japanese radioactive refugees.
Cheaper labor, right in the USA. The end of outsourced jobs to China.
Sounds like a good effort, but then you look and so far most of the data points I've checked so far say this:
"Data, updated every 10mins, provided by Marian Steinbach http://www.sendung.de/japan-radiation-open-data/, webscraped from http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/"
and that site is just taking in MEXT SPEEDI data.
its a start
Anybody who thinks they are going to get control of the situation at the nuclear power plant should read the Japanese PM's comments closely.
They are not even confident about being able to stop the problem from getting worse.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81101.html
They are not even confident about being able to stop the problem from getting worse.
I think that is one of the most disturbing things about all this. Watching them lie, and spin, and minimize as the situation grows more and more critical is completely dismaying.
They do not appear to have had this thing under control at all, ever, since it started.
Worse, it appears that they intend to ride the lightning until a lot more innocents are harmed or killed.
When this happened my first thought was, thank god Japan has a competent government. The lie of that one statement is an appalling revelation to me.
+1 competent comment, -1 government...
Yeah, thanks. One hell of an eye-opener for me. I knew that their financial sector had done a lot of damage, of course.
I expected them to still have their technical chops though.
As these kinds of catastrophes multiply going forward, one fears that all governments everywhere are as incompetent as our own.
And ya know what? At no point can I EVER recall their having said it WAS under control.
At all times you people just ASSUMED they were saying that.
In fact, the PM comes right out and says the truth and you shit all over them for that. You'll be back tomorrow claiming they do nothing but lie and spin when in fact he just told you the unvarnished truth of the matter!
"In fact, the PM comes right out and says the truth"
What is the truth trav?
that you are an idiot
An anger management program might be a good idea before you harm yourself or someone else.
huh? I'm not angry; I was just stating a fact. I mean, GFD, my avatar is smiling!
You clearly are. I bet your children cower in the closet while you are internet raging.
That's IF your wife hasn't divorced your racist ass and taken custody away.
do you honestly think that having a shithead uncle tom punk white person calling me a racist does anything other than make me laugh?
You are pathetic, honestly.
My favorite from the news conference was this:
and lets not forget about the "other serious problems" either.
Yes, true. It's right in the headline. After two weeks of spin and bullshit he did Kan did finally come and refuse to answer the one question everyone has been asking:
Kan gives no answer about when Japan's nuclear crisis may endhttp://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81101.html
I call that unvarnished evasion. But hey, you want to call it unvarnished truth, fine with me Trav.
Oh sorry, you meant this part:
"Instead, Kan said, ''We are trying to avoid an aggravation of the situation. But I recognize that it is still not a time to predict what will happen.''
You're right, Trav. I apologize. He clearly told the unvarnished.... uh... hm...
Got facts?
The reporter stated he was evading. That's a good interpretation to sell newspapers.
Kan actually stated
''We are trying to avoid an aggravation of the situation. But I recognize that it is still not a time to predict what will happen.''
He's saying he does not know. How is that "evading"?
If he had any interest at all in the truth he would have stated simply what the situation actually is on the ground.
The IAEA and many others have compained publicly that Japan is simply not sharing comprehensive data that should be available to them.
''We are trying to avoid an aggravation of the situation. But I recognize that it is still not a time to predict what will happen.''
He could as easily been talking been talking about whether his wife will get over her headache so they can have sex at some time in the near future.
That is an evasion.
His answer was not to a question asking for all the known facts but when the government will have the situation under control. And he was not evading.
"Japan" not sharing data is an entirely different matter.
Hey shit for brains, you can't tell the difference between "fine" and "everyone dies in three months from this dose of radiation".
So fuck off. You don't know what you are talking about. If anyone listens to you, they are likely to get themselves killed.
JFC you are too stupid to READ?
WHERE did I say everything was FINE????
Your statement about everyone dying in 3 months is materially false, but I won't even bother with it.
You keep saying that these levels of radiation are no big deal, moron. Doublethink more, faggot.
And no, that is not materially false. 2mSev/hour=~1.5Sev/month. Three months=~4.5, which IS a fatal dose for pretty much everyone.
we can conclude that radiation dosages are something ELSE you know absolutely nothing about.
there are people who live in areas where annual ambient exposure is 260 mSV. Therefore, they will all die in 20 years according to your stupid premise.
Nevermind flight attendants who eat bananas...they should all be dead by now.
really, in the overall scheme of things, your stupidity is FAR more dangerous than radiation.
6 days till everyone in Tokyo is either dead or evacuated...clock is ticking.
Nookular power is safe! Just ask the engineers who hide the manufacturing mistakes that build these monstrosities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-23/fukushima-engineer-says-he-cove...
Old news; we beat that up a couple days ago ...
Someone needs to take all those reading on Geigermaps, correlate the radiation levels with their distance from the power plant, plot them on a graph, and do a best fit inverse square curve.
The Japanese will sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the homeland and their brethren... I don't believe they will abandon Japan or each other... and anyone who questions this has zero clue of Japanese culture.
The problem will lay in the death of tourism... Tokyo is what, 250km away? The current evacuation zone is 50km? Not much left to go.... and the death of "made in japan" products as they will have the "radioactive" stigma.... but once the problem is "under control" the media will shift back towards the next war, sovereign bankruptcy, or 'terrorist' trying to make the world that much more unstable of a place...
.... and to all those "healthy food eaters" on the west coast... say good bye to sushi for the next few.... years~
Tourism is only a minor part of the Japanese economy and is centered on Kyoto/Nara/Himeji anyway. If anything, investing in Kansai International Airport might not be a bad idea as anyone who has an aversion to Narita will make that their entry point of choice.
As for your apparent dig on people who eat healthy in CA and OR, most of the sushi doesn't come from Japan anyway...deshyo??? Even most Japanese seafood that crosses Tsukiji is flown in from around the world. You think the "healthy food eaters" (very poetic Sylvia) on the East Coast have a totally different source for their Chilean sea bass than everyone else?
"Tourism is only a minor part of the Japanese economy" - Vlad Tepid
I believe that your assertion is incorrect.
Tourism accounts for 7% of Japan's GDP and will (is already) taking a catastrophic downturn.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/japan-tourism-idUSL3E7EL0NP20110321?pageNumber=1.
OK. So that's what Reuters says. And the CIA World Factbook doesnot list "Tourism" as a major economic activity in Japan...as I suspected. Here's what the World Travel and Tourism Council says: (and their name tells me they would love to inflate their figures if they could)
GDP: Direct Contribution
The direct contribution of Travel &Tourism to GDP is expected to be JPY10,540.7bn (2.2% of total GDP) in 2011, rising by 2.4% pa to JPY13,360.3bn (2.4%) in 2021 (in constant 2011 prices).
http://www.wttc.org/eng/Tourism_Research/Economic_Research/Country_Reports/Japan/
So like I said, minor, compared to all the other disruptions they will be facing. And my original point was that most of the tourism goes on in the Kansai region anyway so assuming that stays safe...
The problem is much greater than the "death of tourism". I saw a photograph of a Japanese child on a site today. I'm having a hard time, thinking about the children.
To see how Japan has handled their "nuclear problem" in the past, I sugges this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411946789896689299#
Crowdsourcing is admirable. I wish the maga-platforms they are built around (Google, Facebook/Twitter) were not so firmly in the lap of .gov
That said, there is and should be a clearer and clearer sense that the collective is giving up.
Have you noticed how few stories there are about help (of any sort) to the Japanese people? Unlike Haiti (thired/fourth or whatever silly term you pick world), money, help, outpouring.
Here, and presumably because Japan was seen as so rich (Japan's wealth, true wealth is now proven to be the fumes I'd always known, in my dealings there), there is barely a move to reach out.
To the western/developed world, this might be a very indicative thing. Because like it or not, it's coming evverywhere. The first domino has been decisively pushed over. With the close meontary (dishonest) relationship between Japan and the US, Japan and Oz, Japan and India... we've all had it. Some waves take longer to travel than others is all.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/lets-start-from-the-very-beginning-a-very-good/
no, it's because the world is fucked up. There is only a cry for help for black people.
We don't get shit for hurricane, mudslide, and flood sufferers in honduras, never for anyone in the midwest, never for the Japs or chinks or iranians or turks. Nobody.
Always only for blacks.
Yeah, I had some dimwit fucked-in-the-head White person say to me today that they had no sympathy for Japan at all but did for Haiti.
TheCelebrityCafe.com - 8 hours ago US artists have come together to create an album which will benefit the victims of the tragedy that occurred in Japan on March 11. ...
Major Labels Join for Compilation for Japan - ABC News
John Lennon, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Josh Groban ... - Los Angeles Times (blog)
Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, and U2 Make Japan Relief Album: Will ... - The Atlantic
The Chosun Ilbo - Mashable
all 275 news articles »
ABC News
PR Newswire (press release) - 10 hours ago Shortly after the disaster, Nishikori established a Facebook page in partnership with the Red Cross to collect money for Japan's victims. ...
Japan aid effort continues at Miami tennis event - AFP
all 137 news articles »
Eurosport.com ASIA
Globe and Mail (blog) - Shirley Won - 14 hours ago CI Pacific, which had a 62-per-cent exposure to Japan and lost the most money from March 1 to 24, shed 5.1 per cent. Dynamic Far East Value, which had 3 per ...
Japan Bonds Snap Advance as Stock Gains Sap Demand for Safety - San Francisco Chronicle
The Battle Between Morality and Riches - The Emory Wheel
A Sound Alternative to Buying Individual Japanese Small Caps (JSC ... - SmallCapInvestor
all 223 news articles »
Reuters Blogs (blog)
WXXA - 14 hours ago A second grader at Henry Johnson Charter School has stepped up to start a fundraising effort for Japan . Nicholas Koopman came up with the idea and he and ...
Mixed message surfaces over Japan's need for donations - Hawaii News Now
Tsunami Watch - Honolulu Star-Advertiser
A roundup of restaurants (and bake sales) donating to relief ... - Los Angeles Times (blog)
Greenwich Time - The Barrie Advance
all 65 news articles »
Leader News
WKBT - Jade Olds - 14 hours ago AP NewsCenter Entertainment News from AP Efforts are underway to raise money on UW-La Crosse's campus to help those affected by the disaster. The Japan ...
Pacific News Center - Frankie Perez - 14 hours ago Guam - Speaker Judith T. Won Pat announced today that The guam Legislature is holding a series of events planned to help raise money to assist with the ...
Patch.com - Charlotte Moore - 35 minutes ago ... are working together to donate the raised money to the American Red Cross. ... together next month to help raise money for those impacted by Japan's ...
Frisco Enterprise - Bill Conrad - 14 hours ago While FUMC Frisco is joining forces with UMCOR, Prestonwood Baptist Church is sending money as well as a victim relief team to Northern Japan. ...
KEVIN WILHELM: Rebuilding after a disaster - Middletown Press
all 3 news articles »
KGBT-TV - Katie Lopez - 8 hours ago Luis is only seven years old and already knows exactly what happened in Japan. He said all he wants to do is help. "Do you feel bad for those people," ...
MassLive.com - Diane Lederman - 1 day ago Money will collected for the Japan Earthquake Relief Fund set up by the Consulate General of Japan in Boston with money going to the Japanese Red Cross ...
Holyoke Firefighters Raise Money for Japanese Red Cross Relief - WSHM-TV
Red Cross warning over Japan tsunami donation scam - The Guardian
Japanese Students Raise Money For Relief Effort In Japan - WISC Madison
KMOV.com - WVNS
all 455 news articles » TYO:3629
Your list looks soooooooooo big.
The reality behind the text does not support any equanimity with Haiti.
Go look up the figures.
What is your problem? Upset because the "We Are the World" tour hasn't been done for Japan? There are Americans all over the country doing what they can.
Perhaps you missed the part where we diverted US Navy battle group to the scene to do what they could, or our deliveries of boron by air.
Or is it perhaps that, like Trav, you too feel Japan is getting short shrift because all deh coons are the onliest folks we care about?
WTF?
Just as you confuse the answer by Kan of one question to mean evasion of another, you do the same here - substituting the US government response for the humanitarian response of the common folk to make your argument. The original statement was in regard to the general difference in response by US people for aid between Japan and Haiti, a non-black country and a black one. Or it could have been New Orleans because these fools only see black there.
Anecdotally, I had never heard anything but sympathy for the plight of Haitians and know personally of people who flew there on their own dime to help out. I repeat I never heard anyone ever voice anything but sympathy and concern in all the time since the disaster occurred.
On the other hand, in just two days I have heard several people tell me they couldn't care less about Japan's problem, or they deserved it, or they have no sympathy at all, or some other such bullshit – but in the same breath they wanted to let me know they did have a heart for Haiti, and blacks in New Orleans – no mention of the whites. Of course, all said by fucked-in-the-head White people. And these fools represent about half of the people who have said anything at all to me on the subject.
That is WTF.
Well, lord knows that the things you hear others say is an indictment of our entire nation.
Sorry, man. You obviously are correct.
/sarc
I'm always amazed at the mental contortions your type goes through in order to deny fairly obvious reality and to bunker down in the "conventional wisdom," which is anything but wise.
You have an entire belief system orthodoxy that you subscribe to and you defend it to the death.
Cognitive Dissonance.
The difference between what is and what is believed.
Trav if your parents had been really, really clever, they would have named you GRACE.
I'm always amazed at the mental contortions you go through to justify your hatred of blacks.
Fuck off and die alone, you worthless shit.
Edit: Weird, ZH stuck this in a different place than I was replying to, and automatically had a long string of replies after me. The above was to TRAV, and NO-ONE ELSE.
hatred of blacks? Good god, my idiotic friend, where the hell did you get the impression I hate blacks?
Because I state facts about them as a group which aren't glowingly complimentary? Because I don't toe the antiwhite politically correct line like you?
For a free thinker, you are pretty eyes-deep in bullshit like PC. The phenomenon here is your pavlovian conditioning meeting facts you don't like; thus "hate facts." You just fill in the hate part to overcome your own cognitive dissonance.
According to you, we are all exactly the same, which is the most utterly absurd thing you've probably said thus far. All races, according to you, behave EXACTLY the same in similar circumstances, yet we don't see Katrina in Japan, nor did we in Indonesia. Most of KATRINA wasn't even Katrina; it only was like that in NO, the area with a highly-concentrated black population. Oh, and you might want to check the stats on interracial rapes. There are tens of thousands of them by black men against white women and actually statistically ZERO of the opposite. That's right, the number of white on black rapes was so low that it fell below the statistical threshold.
So, either the data is lying or you are a fool. Everybody here knows which one of these options is most likely.
@Matte
I have been polite with you in this converation thus far but now you are getting sacrastic and stupid - a sign that you have lost the debate.
Fuck off.
Why do you exaggerate? Is it for attention?
No exaggeration.
Word for word.
And you can go fuck yourself.
May not be appropriate for a post here but just replied to a disgusting post on FB from a Progressive pig that the wipeout of Japan and it's whaling industry was 'karmic justice' for them(Japanese people). Even though it was a cousin's page I'm fit to snuff out the first f'in Liberal/Prog that presents themselves. They further implied that via Abraham-Hicks(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aupLxCokSZI), that this was the will of 'group consciousness'. God help the first L/P that walks up to my gate should this runaway train of a planet come crashing to a halt and there be a conflict between the producers and the 'takers'...
Hardly a hijack. And, I think I share your sense of wonder at, and horror of, the Liberal/Progressive mindset. Vent on.
Probably the last thing in the world you all need to worry about but fine. Enjoy the convenience while the rest of us try and figure out wtf is going on.
"All I wanna do is have a little fun before I die,
Says the man next to me out of nowhere
It's apropos of nothing
He says his name's William but I'm sure
He's Bill or Billy or Mac or Prince Abdulaziz ibn Abdullah ibn Abdulaziz Al Saud"
from LA Times
Former property owner confirms Saudi prince purchased Benedict Canyon siteUpdate:
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81133.html
Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Friday it has begun injecting freshwater into the No. 1 and No. 3 reactor cores at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to enhance cooling efficiency, but highly radioactive water was later found leaking near all four troubled reactor units at the plant.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81077.html
Drrrrrr....blorp....bleep....it's stopped making sense:
Fresh coolant to be injected into Fukushima No. 2 reactorTOKYO, March 26, Kyodo
Tokyo Electric Power Co. on Saturday morning prepared to inject fresh water into the No. 2 reactor core at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to enhance cooling efficiency after it was revealed the previous day that highly radioactive water was found leaking near all four troubled reactor units at the plant.
The utility, known as TEPCO, will try to remove pools of water containing highly concentrated radioactive substances that may have seeped from either the reactor cores or spent fuel pools, while also trying to restore power at the No. 2 reactor.
On Thursday, three workers were exposed to water containing radioactive materials 10,000 times the normal level at the turbine building connected to the No. 3 reactor building. On Friday, a pool of water with similarly highly concentrated radioactive materials was found in the No. 1 reactor's turbine building, causing some restoration work to be suspended.
Similar pools of water were also found in the turbine buildings of the No. 2 and No. 4 reactors, measuring up to 1 meter and 80 centimeters deep, respectively. Those near the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors were up to 40 cm and 1.5 meters deep.
While it will try to analyze the levels of radioactivity of the pools of water found in the No. 2 and No. 4 reactors, TEPCO will remove such water in all of four reactor units to reduce the risk of more workers being exposed to radioactive substances, it said. The risk hinders their efforts to restore the plant's crippled cooling functions, which are crucial to overcoming the crisis, it added.
The utility plans to inject fresh water into the No. 2 reactor core to prevent crystallized salt from seawater already injected forming a crust on the fuel rods and hampering smooth water circulation, thus diminishing the cooling effect. It has begun injecting fresh water into the No. 1 and No. 3 reactor cores.
Early Friday, concern grew that the high-level radiation leak detected with the workers' exposure could indicate possible damage to the No. 3 reactor vessel, but the government's nuclear safety agency later denied the possibility, saying no data, such as on the pressure level, suggest the reactor vessel has cracked or been damaged.
While the high-level radiation is suspected to have come from the reactor, where overheating fuel rods are believed to have partially melted, it remains uncertain how the leak occurred, the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said.
==Kyodo
"... it remains uncertain how the leak occurred, the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said."
Makes you want to rip your hair out.
Jim - what is your take on the fresh water ?
Cooling torus & manifold plumbing lines blocked with sodium deposits?
Seems like they are beating a dead horse trying to resurrect the plumbing at this time ...
"The utility plans to inject fresh water into the No. 2 reactor core to prevent crystallized salt from seawater already injected forming a crust on the fuel rods and hampering smooth water circulation, thus diminishing the cooling effect. It has begun injecting fresh water into the No. 1 and No. 3 reactor cores."
I say bullshit to all this ... this was completey burned up more than a week ago!
Who will believe that any of this piping exists 2 weeks later !
Shoot, I don't know and neither do they. Someone asked about salt early on, he had smelting experience, and I said "no one has ever done this before".
I also saw a statement by some university expert that although tens of thousands of pounds of salt had probably already crystallized it wasn't a problem yet.
But...maybe our navy told them something they've learned running reactors...or maybe they read ZH and got all panicky, cuz that's just how we roll around here. Who knows, maybe they just want it to be 'normal' again. God knows they don't need a cooling inhibitor when they are just a few hours away from disaster already, even with uninhibited cooling.
Plumbing is the key here. There is no other choice as far as they can see. Even with all the debate around here, there's no clear alternative path to just hanging tight with the H2O for....heh. Forever, you see. So they want to automate it as much as possible.
But what a mess. I just don't see it working. There's too much damage. I mean, maybe craft some huge tubs, take a crane and drop the cores in there and circulate water....but how strong can it reasonably be? Earthquake-resistant?
I do not think there is any hope of leaving those cores in those buildings surrounded by all that junk, unless an entombment option is pursued.
Jim, you don't have to build big tubs. They already have a nice strong breakwater that could be closed N and S. Set up a couple Huata H36B tower cranes that can reach all four buildings. Drop fuel rods in the drink in a wide arc, pour concrete over them.
Now that'd be a Blue Lagoon....just about impossible to create a closed circulation...but then again, why not?
Avon - you mentioned the quaternium (sp?) yesterday.
Would this normally be dug out above sea level?
At what elevation above high tide?
That seemed the very simplest solution, to crush all the outbuildings to rubble and push it against the reactor buildings to make a perimeter of dikes that could be flooded with water, boron, tin, concrete. This assumes that it's hopeless to repair the circulating pumps and burial is mandated. I made a diagram here...
http://oilgeology.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-to-fix-fukushima-nuclear-disaster.html
... but there's an unsolved aspect, because the reactor cooling pipes extend down into the seawater underneath the surface grade. I assume many of those pipes were shattered or burst by the 9.0 quake, and that's where seawater contamination is coming from. The undersea plumbing has to be plugged with cement. Probably the first order of business and also the toughest problem. Maybe resin foam would work.
Interesting ... build a bathtub around it all, and flood it continuously.
Not sure what you do with waste water ...
But you did not answer my question?
i see it the same way...but cooling doesn't have to last forever.
At some point the rods cool off enough to get moved to...ok, i guess there is no permanent repository for SFRs, so they get moved to another SFP in another Mark I BWR attic.
They very clearly read my ZH posts and said "that nigga Trav sez we gotta prevent fires so let's dump as much water onto this bitch as possible."
At some point, maybe on the order of years here, things will cool off enough that they can then properly decom these things.
You MORON. If it takes years, everyone is dead ten times over.
just shut up, please.
"Everyone" is dead ten times over? Wow.
If this reactor continues at its present rate of materials discharge, large portions of Japan will have to live with 2x ambient radiation levels for years.
That means NOBODY DIES. Do you get that? Hysterical crackpots like you will surely be calling TSHTFTEOTWAWKI, but your insane proclamations are at most laughable.
This may stun you but there are many populated areas with 2x average background radiation. Hell there are areas with 10x and even higher.
Got a question for you- do you wake up everyday with the specific goal of making a fool out of yourself or does it just sorta "happen"?
I sense genuine effort.
You've changed ever since you got back from the Ann Coulter school of blogging. From sharp and acutely analytical to snarky and condescendingly reactive. I like the old trav7777 better.
I don't have time to recite the facts to idiots such as tmosely and bob_dabolina.
I did the facts thing; didn't work. The people were given the facts and keep coming back saying the same stupid shit over and over again...wtf would you have me do?
Instead of criticizing, why don't YOU take it upon yourself to learn some facts so you can carry the torch?
Good advice. You should consider following it.
I would have you ignore "the same stupid .... over and over again". Take the high road, add to the dialogue, and move past those who derail you.
This is hilarious. You think this is as bad as it is going to get.
When it gets worse, will you fuck off?
you fucking moron...you stated that everybody was as good as dead ALREADY.
You are a raving lunatic, an uncle tom punk, and a moron.
6 days now till everyone in Tokyo will be "dead or evacuated," according to YOU.
Are you going to FUCK OFF when yet ANOTHER of your asinine statements proves to be complete and utter bullshit?
No; of course you won't. Like a typical white bitch moron, you will be right back in ZH the next day trying to make an even bigger fool of yourself. And you will succeed.
Don't the Soviets use liquid sodium to cool their reactors??
Or am I mistaken...
what part of that doesn't make sense?
I was hoping that the presence of similar pools at 2 and 4 may have suggested it all came from the spraying operation. Not that that would have been 'good,' but not as bad as a core problem at 3.
They are trying to remove the radioactive pools that are making work impossible, while adding more water, when they don't even know where all that radiation came from.
I say stick with the fire trucks and put the manpower on a systems mapping/diagnostic crash effort. Forget the existing pumps for a couple of days. If it's all destroyed what's the point. Where is all this damage?
Still no indication that they've even gotten a good look at the core and primary containment/cooling systems.
It's like someone got shot and is lying on the street, obviously badly injured, and you just start treating them without seeing where they were hit, or how bad.
surely they (whoever they are) have a serious brain trust hard at work on the bigger picture.
Surely there is more than the effort from TEPCO to date, which seems almost colonial in nature (eg untrained workers sent in with obliviousness to safety).
It's a war and the nation threatening enemy is one never seen before, with a host of offensive and defensive weapons.
But where's the war effort? The international supplies flooding in? Coordination?
Surely it's going on and we're just not seeing it.
Yah, Gary Sinise is sweating out the details in a mock-up as we speak.
And...stop calling me shirley (you knew that was coming).
just seeing if you were paying attention :)
This IS how the Japanese fight a war effort. Have you ever read about how badly World War II was fought by the Japanese at the high command level. If it wasn't for the grunts, NCOs and brilliant field commanders, the whole thing would have crumbled into interservice rivalry, palace intrigue and endless meetings where nothing gets done but a lot is "discussed" years before the actual surrender. Consensus thinking is the name of the game there. Look up "The Nobility of Failure" by Ivan Morris for a great read on how this is all going down. Spectacular, catastrophic failure is often seen as a goal once the wheels come off. Again it is the grunts and mid-level managers who will see this to the end - be it a Russo-Japanese War end or a Pacific War end.
I can almost guarantee you that there is no brain trust hard at work, at least from TEPCO. They are sitting around a table trying to gain "consensus" from one another...or figuring out how Mubarak got out and where he's living now. The gov't MIGHT be coordinating with universities and other companies, but that comes from fear of their constituency and international gawking at their dawdling, not from an inborn sense of how to manage a (non-political) crisis.
thanks, it sounds like a good book, I'll check it out
I wasn't expecting anything from TEPCO except more colonial level activity. It sounded from the story floated about the J PM cussing out the meeting of TEPCO execs that they (TEPCO) were ready to just walk away from the plant. Like the coon dog that gets in the middle of a field of briars and just sits down and gives up.
Hopefully there are adults somewhere putting the big think and preparing for big activity. John Wayne and the Fighting Seabees. Gort. Someone.
TEPCO top brass are too busy filling out their application for the Deming Prize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deming_Prize
look at ZH...the consensusthink is strong here.
Anyone with true expertise is immediately recognized ONLY by others with expertise. Those who are ignorant, well...it flies right over their head. They immediately assume that people are just talking shit.
I've seen this dozens of times in meetings. People who are ignorant seek out sympathetic parties to "agree" with them and lend them a vote of confidence. Safety in the herd.
ok some workers got zapped in a turbine building.
But, JFC, at LEAST they are finally now able to even GO INTO these structures.
But the presence of humans who were not instantly killed as all the chicken littles claimed they would be is NEVER to be construed as good news for anyone here.
You idiots said Japan would be uninhabitable by now.
"You idiots said Japan would be uninhabitable by now."
Well trav I have 1 question for you.
Seeing as you are a father and Japan is hapitable according to you.
Why don't you send your children over there to help clean up some of that damage? It could be a great experience for them.
Once you send your kids to Japan for the cleanup...please be sure to post the photos
ok, I'll do that.
Just as SOON as you show me where in that post I claimed that Fukushima was safe.
See, the problem here bob is that you are insufficiently intelligent to realize that I DID NOT CLAIM AT ANY TIME that this situation was anything OTHER than a clusterfuck, highly radioactive, dangerous, and all the rest of that. I have been very upfront about that at EVERY turn, including describing in painful detail days ahead of time what steps would need to be taken to have any hope of this situation not worsening. And then as if they are reading my goddamned posts, the shit happens like I said it would.
But somehow, someway, every time I REFUTE that the situation is NOT currently the apocalypse that YOU repeatedly claim it is, that piece of fried shit you call a brain seems to come up with the conclusion that I am saying they should put a fuckin roller coaster at Fukushima and start having picnics there.
Japan is inarguably habitable at the present time. Areas in the immediate vicinity of this power plant may not be. The plant area sure as SHIT isn't habitable. You will never catch me laughing off triple digit mSv radiation readings. In fact, I said explicitly that if your personal dosimeter ever goes north of 99 mSv, you should FLEE IMMEDIATELY. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
Now, wtf, do I need to get you a sign language interpreter to help you catch my drift here or what?
I'm with Trav, i don't know what you other jokers are on.
bob_daboduya- Totally irrelevant straw man.
Just when it seems you're idiotic posts could not get more stupid, you out do yourself.
You are an idiot who thinks this is over. You don't know shit about nuclear reactors. Give it the fuck up, and go back to your dead end job where you never get promotions because you are a nasty little racist shit. That's IF you still have a job.
what an unseemly little mudshark punk you are
About time somebody did:
U.N. agencies hold meeting to discuss Japan's nuclear crisishttp://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81141.html
I think it would benefit the planet if they held the meetings in the control rooms.
If anyone still cares to think about this in terms of the our own back yard.
The Japanese Govt had made a voluntary evacuation to 20km.
That's the distance from JFK airport to LaGuardia.
ow its 30km.
The distance from Yankee stadium to Coney Island
Apparently it is hard to get the Blue Marble thing,
Fuck Bushido and every honor/religion you want to cling to.
This could probably be a species thing,
Pull together as a HUMAN race.
Fix this shit, learn, move on.
There's a lot of empty space up there for us to fuck up, but please don't shit where you eat.
If there had of been an oil leak it would have been over by now.
the digiglobe satelite picture is at least 10 years out of date
Thx for the Sparky link team Tyler. Nice circuit, I forgot about them already.
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9848
For those who order the Geiger Counter please also order a plastic enclosure, the circuit has exposed high voltage.
http://www.pactecenclosures.com
They offer nice plastic boxes, easy to drill holes in. Some are water tight.
Install these Virtual COM port drivers:
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm
http://realterm.sourceforge.net if you're new to serial programming.
Lets get some readings from the US up.
For the impatient here is the schematic and ebay is an excellent source for low cost Geiger Müller tubes.
http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/GeigerCounter/Geiger_Counter-v12ii.pdf
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Geiger&_kw=tubes
The project page:
http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/132
If I ever wanted to believe in UFO's showing up to save our ass... it would be now.
Blue Marble, stupid apes.
Hard to miss.
*lights candle
I think it's just a question of money, isn't it? Big machines, a bunch of cameras, and some standoff remote control. Push everything in the drink. Pour concrete all over it.
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/10/103221/1702978-915195_19131_front_super.jpg
There goes Mexico. Radioactive coke. Crap!
Levels of radioactive materials soaring in sea near nuke plantTOKYO, March 26, Kyodo
Levels of radioactive materials are skyrocketing in the sea near the crisis-hit nuclear power station in Fukushima Prefecture, the government's nuclear safety agency said Saturday, while the plant's operator has started injecting fresh water into the No. 2 reactor core to enhance cooling efficiency.
According to the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, radioactive iodine-131 at a concentration 1,250.8 times the legal limit was detected Friday morning in a seawater sample taken around 330 meters south of the plant, near the drain outlets of its troubled four reactors.
The level rose to its highest so far in the survey begun this week, after staying around levels 100 times over the legal limit. It is highly likely that radioactive water in the plant has disembogued into the sea, Tokyo Electric Power Co said.
The radiation levels in seawater do not pose an immediate risk to human health, government officials said. But they are well above normal levels and fan concerns over fishery products in northeastern Japan as highly radioactive water has been found leaking near all four troubled reactor units at the plant.
Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Energy said in its radiological assessment released Friday that by comparing aerial measurement data from Thursday with previous measurements, the data indicate peak exposure rates in the western side of the Fukushima plant are lower.
The utility, known as TEPCO, will try to remove pools of water containing highly concentrated radioactive substances that may have seeped from either the reactor cores or spent fuel pools, while also trying to restore power at the No. 2 reactor in an effort to prevent the situation from worsening further.
On Thursday, three workers were exposed to water containing radioactive materials 10,000 times the normal level at the turbine building connected to the No. 3 reactor building. On Friday, a pool of water with similarly highly concentrated radioactive materials was found in the No. 1 reactor's turbine building, causing some restoration work to be suspended.
Similar pools of water were also found in the turbine buildings of the No. 2 and No. 4 reactors, measuring up to 1 meter and 80 centimeters deep, respectively. Those near the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors were up to 40 cm and 1.5 meters deep.
==Kyodo
disembogue - to come out into the open sea from a river etc; to pour out, to debouch
I guess they didn't want to just say that radionuclides are flowing like a river into the ocean.
Do you you think enclosing the quays and dumping the cores there, before entombment would work? I feel doubtful about the idea.
But then again, building a couple pyramids of Giza for orthodox entombement sounds damned near impossible.
The key is cooling. I guess we need a nonemitting radwaste cooling plant.
Design options:
If you could get a closed circulating flow into the pyramid (Funless Water Park).
Frame building over berm/polder pool, taking the air for filtering (Big Vent Hood).
Breakwater ocean storage (The Bluest Lagoon). Really hard to fix this if anything goes wrong, but it won't melt down.
Or the current option, Douse 'n' Duck.
What is your opinion Jim on the threat of agricultural products in CA and AZ being contaminated by the Iodine and what ever else is in fallout?
FWIW:
3/24/11
UCSB’s Ben Monreal Says Chances Are ‘Flat Zero’ of Significant Radiation Reaching Californiahttp://www.noozhawk.com/noozhawk/article/032411_ucsb_physics_professor_b...
By Alex Kacik, Noozhawk Staff Writer | @NoozhawkBiz
UCSB assistant physics professor Ben Monreal was at a conference in Germany when this month’s earthquake struck in Japan. Wanting to help in some way after the disaster, he hopes to ease fears by reaching out and teaching people about radiation. (Lara Cooper / Noozhawk photo)
Assistant physics professor says it's not the level of radiation but the intensity of exposure that counts
It’s a memory most will remember until they die. UCSB assistant physics professor Ben Monreal was at a conference in Germany when he first heard news of March 11’s 9.0-magnitude earthquake in Sendai, Japan.
“I was in the back of room reading The New York Times on my laptop when I read the first headline, ‘9.0 Earthquake Hits Japan,’” Monreal said. “There was someone at the conference who has family in the Sendai area. It made me want to get involved immediately.”
But for the time being, all he could do was read and watch. It wasn’t until the tsunami struck and the state of the nuclear power plants overshadowed the natural disasters that Monreal felt he could contribute.
“Hearing about the panic and fear in places far (from Japan) is irrational and unnecessary,” he said, “and I hope teaching people more about how radiation works will save them some stress and energy that they could use in a positive manner.”
Monreal received his undergraduate degree from Yale University, where a nuclear physics lab instructor inspired him to pursue physics through graduate school at MIT. After working as an intern at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, he continued his research in particle physics and astrophysics at UCSB.
He started by explaining the levels of radiation. He says everyone has some level of radiation — it could be from food or the atmosphere — but it’s the intensity of exposure that’s important.
“You could see the radiation dosage increase from someone moving from Santa Barbara to Montecito or Carpinteria because certain base rock is more radioactive than others,” Monreal said. “Even if radiation levels are detectable on the West Coast, that has nothing to do with whether people should worry.”
Radiation is measured in units per hour called sieverts, while a millisieverts is one-thousandth of a sievert and a microsievert is a millionth. Five sieverts per hour of radiation is lethal, he said, while most people experience a handful of millisieverts a year.
“The vast majority of people in Japan don’t even have a shot of getting a millisievert per hour,” Monreal said.
The longer a gas sticks around, the more benign it is, Monreal said, but it’s the gases that don’t last long that are worrisome. Therefore, the chances of any significant levels of radiation reaching California is “flat zero,” he said.
“It will certainly spread in detectable ways to Tokyo and Tokai, but how much will it spread in harmful ways is unknown,” Monreal said. “Even gases in a jet stream are diminishing and are not perfectly intact parcels, so the chances of it getting to California is zero.”
Radiation has manifested in Tokyo. While officials declared Tokyo’s water safe on Thursday, authorities in the city’s suburbs discovered water supplies with radioactive iodine nearly three times the normal level for infants. But Monreal says radiation spreading farther than that is unlikely if people are careful.
The United States has tested thousands of nuclear explosions over the years, and while scientists monitored how radiation spread, he says there was no “magic plume that carried it long distances.”
Fukushima’s fourth reactor container is leaking some of the water used to cool the core, but there is only significant levels of radiation when that water mixed with fuel catches on fire and smoke is released.
“When a reactor is on fire and spewing stuff, people at the reactor — if they are not careful — can have doses on sievert scale,” Monreal said. “Thirty kilometers away, people are at risk, but if people stay inside, it really does help.”
The biggest determinant on the intensity of the radiation emitted will be how much the fuel rods catch on fire, Monreal said. There has been smoke coming out of several of the reactors, but officials are unsure what caused it. Workers were temporarily evacuated, and work in the plant had been slowed as of Thursday night.
“The dose rates would’ve been 400 millisieverts per hour for workers during the biggest spike, but the fire didn’t last long and the dose rate wasn’t high for a long period of time,” Monreal said.
He said that in comparison to Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, Japan was much better prepared. In Chernobyl, the reactor was still fissioning when there were explosions and smoke, and there was no containment vessel. While that contributed to high exposure levels to those immediately nearby, Monreal said the biggest problem with Chernobyl was that people weren’t notified of the radiation, and the consumption of contaminated food resulted in a worst-case scenario.
“What the decontamination team will worry about is getting rid of the cesium and strontium from the topsoil” — like in Chernobyl when workers got rid of 99 percent of the radiation by disposing of the top 10 centimeters of the soil, he said. “The long-term outlook for this area of Japan is perfectly fine. There won’t be large chunks of uninhabitable land.”
He said that unlike Chernobyl, Fukushima and surrounding areas were immediately evacuated and people are careful to avoid any exposure by staying inside and cleaning. At Three Mile Island, gases such as xenon, radon and krypton were released in the steam, but no one was harmed or killed by the potentially deadly gases.
“It was horribly mismanaged and the reactor did melt down, but there was not large-scale radiation release that actually hurt anybody,” he said.
He said he hopes the most recent crisis doesn’t turn people off of nuclear power plants because modern designs are much safer and reliable.
“The vast majority of radiation people are putting into the atmosphere is from coal-powered plants’ smoke stacks,” Monreal said. “People who want to stop nuclear plants, that choice is increasing everyone’s radioactive dose while destroying the environment by climate change,” which at this rate may be beyond saving in five years, he added.
Although nothing bad can be said about solar power, Monreal said it has not progressed enough to rely on.
Click here for a map to monitor radiation readings. Instead of sieverts, it’s measured in roentgen. The normal amount of roentgen is 5 to 20 uR/hr, or microroentgens per hour. Five hundred millisieverts would equal 50 milliroentgens.
“Higher radiation readings does not mean there is an increased health risk,” Monreal said. “It means it reads the tiniest changes in readings.”
He said what the United States needs to worry about are safety standards for nuclear power plants, especially the one in San Onofre.
“Is this thing prepared for a tsunami; let’s ask that question and make sure we have answers,” Monreal said. “The answer should probably not be let’s get rid of it, but maybe move the containment vessel higher up.”
— Noozhawk staff writer Alex Kacik can be reached at akacik@noozhawk.com. Follow Noozhawk on Twitter:@noozhawk, @NoozhawkNews and @NoozhawkBiz. Become a fan of Noozhawk on Facebook.
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have to interject a correction: a sievert is 100 rem (roentgen equivalent man). Consequently 50 millirems is 500 microsieverts.
500 rem/5 hrs=5 Sv/5hrs.
Basically doses in the 100s of rems get fatal quick and whole number sievert doses are the same.
At 10-100 mSv, worry a ton, start packing to GTFO. 100+ mSv, flee as quickly as possible. At 1+ Sv, start praying.
I love how you leave off the time component in your "start praying" diatribe.
You get 100 mSv in 48 hours at the reactor site. And those reactors are fucking FAR from finished degrading.
You need to lay off the radioactive zirconium flavor skittle shitting unicorn shit.
you fucking moron...all readings from dosimeters would be PER HOUR.
100mSv in 48 hrs, I hope you are capable of doing the math on what the rate is per hour. If you're not, feel free to bullshit and bluster and call me a racist.
This Ben Monreal guy obviously has not taken the time to get updated from bob_daboduya and tmisery.
Who does he think he is anyway - a nuclear expert?
The reactor core is breached==>all is well.
Let's all party in Japan!
I am an optimist, and am in constant opposition to Trav's doomsaying "permanent depression" peak oil bullshit. People just don't understand how serious this is. The ONLY way to "fix" the problem, absent a fleet of construction robots, is to sacrifice a huge number of people sealing those reactors (likely ALL of them) under a god-damn mountain of concrete. What fucking moron thought it would be a good idea to store spend fuel on the roof? Might as well sell fucking M-80's at gasoline pumps while giving out free booze for on the spot consumption.
There is probably an option way down the list to just dump it all in the ocean.
In any case, I would like to see a ramp up in dry casking efforts. We need 'em worldwide. This could provide a little more urgent focus on the disposal challenge.
The key is cooling. I guess we need a nonemitting radwaste cooling plant.
Yeah, thanks. Good points. Cooling was what I had in mind with the breakwater idea. Of course, as you alluded to earlier: how to get the cores there.
The remark another made as to the levies in N.O is a good point as well.
I dunno. It looks like whatever the solution, there will not be a fix it and forget it version.
Jim -
Why have you ruled out China Syndrome?
It's completely realistic with the circumstances given.
A core, or part of a core, is completely capable of reaching the water table. It's not out of the realm of possibility and infact at this juncture, quite possible.
The situation is clearly out of control at this point and getting worse as every day passes.
I think Japan is dead and that we need to start worrying about worldwide contamination.
Water table? Yes...
China? No...
"China Syndrome" is a liberal-wacko anti-nuke catch-phrase/movie, void of any basis in reality.
That's not to say that there are not terrible consequences to a full-blown nuclear accident such as the one our planet is witnessing now... something the rabid pro-nuke folks wish to keep off our TV's.
China Syndrome simply refers to a worse case scenario.
Obviously a core cannot cut the Earth in half as that would be impossible.
However, should a core, or part of a core, hit the water table (which is probable) there will be worldwide implications including the tainting of (global) food supplies with radioactive particulates.
you have been one of the most prolific commentors on this topic of anybody.
And yet you are among the LEAST knowledgeable about any of the issues involved.
Go figure.
Why don't you shut the fuck up until you have some facts? For example, how in the hell do you estimate that the odds of the core reaching the "water table" are probable, which I would assume is substantially higher than 50/50?
Please, those of us with some knowledge of this shit are ALL EARS; we would LOVE to hear this.
#1 Would you send in your kids to help clean up? You never answered. If not why?
#2 I don't have to be an expert to know if the shit is blowing from the East/West.
#3 There are 6 reactors melting down (prove otherwise, the onus is on you)
#4 Tokyo is out of drinkable water....explain how one of the largest cities in the world has no access to clean/radiation free water
COMPLETE non sequitur. At all levels.
I asked you for the FACTS upon which you can conclude that the cores are going to reach the water table then contaminate global food supply and you give me THIS irrelevant shit?
Why don't I send my fucking kids to help clean up??? WTF does that have to do with what YOU SAID and which I ASKED for evidence on?
Shit is blowing East/West? WTF does that have to do with the water table???
6 reactors melting down? I have to prove otherwise? No; YOU have to marshal facts sufficient to establish at least a prima facie case that 6 reactors ARE melting down. You cannot do that. And you cannot just STATE something and expect that I have to PROVE a negative. Besides being IRRELEVANT to your original premise, anybody who possesses sufficient intelligence to even be IN this discussion for real would IMMEDIATELY recognize the logical fallacy you just committed by expecting ME to prove a negative!
WTF does drinking water in Tokyo have to do with cores reaching the water table in Fukushima Daiichi??!
Jesus fucking Christ, you are so stupid you cannot even understand your OWN ARGUMENT, can you?
Where the hell is CogDis to blather about the real problem here, at TEPCO, and governments, which is the Downing Effect? It's people like you who are inadequately intelligent and knowledgeable but yet have no hesitation whatsoever in stating your silly opinions.
And you get a huge popularity boost among your ignorant cohorts, which somehow confuses you into thinking that the more "thumbs ups" you get somehow implies increasing factuality??!
I would be EMBARRASSED to be doing what you do, running my mouth about shit in which I had no knowledge or expertise whatsoever. This is why you will never see me being wrong about something; if I don't know, I keep my mouth shut.
I laid out 4 questions bitch.
I'm not reading your bullshit untill you address:
#1 - 4Answer them you pussy ass bitch.
Fuck off, Bob.
I asked you ONE question first.
You answer MY question and then I will answer yours.
State the FACTS upon which you conclude that cores' reaching the water table is "probable."
Do yourself a favor and go read about the Downing Effect. Never in my life did I believe that people like you and tmosely existed; you can get thrashed like a fucking dog on a topic and come back the next day as if it never happened. Like a cockroach. You never learn, you never progress, and above ALL you never seem to be capable of grasping how ignorant you are.
So you are refusing to answer my questions?
You are a pussy.
Bob, there are actally 8 reactors melting down (prove otherwise, the onus is on you)
I'm sure that you can, unless you are more of a pussy than Trav...
dup.
In Physics there are no "facts", only probabilities. You cannot be smart until you understand the limits of you knowledge. Did you ever read any clever book Trav777?
do you really want to go planck length on me? Seriously?
Not gonna go well for you. I know very well the limits of my knowledge. One of the things I know is that your initial statement was incorrect.
Good lord you guys, get a room!
eddiebe:
a couple nights ago I lost my temper and spoke to you in a crude and insulting fashion.
It was ungentlemanly, and uncalled for.
I apologize.