GOP To Propose $4 Trillion In Spending Cuts Over A Decade, While A Meager $30 Billion Threatens A Government Shutdown

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Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:12 | 1129783 TaxSlave
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The $30 Bil is not a cut, it's 'less increase'.

The next thing to watch out for is a collapse of the bond bubble.  Then the end game is on, the only tool left in the box will be the Zimbabwe strategy. 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:51 | 1129849 Twindrives
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Shut that corrupt bitch down in D.C.   The world will be a better place for it.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 17:40 | 1130479 Nord
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Details on the nice avatar will be appreciated.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 13:13 | 1129888 Central Bankster
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with over One trillion of treasuries to rollover just this year, another 5 trillion over the next 5, PLUS 1.6 trillion + dollar deficits per year, the "Zimbabwe Strategy" is already in motion.  There simply are not enough foreign + domestic bond buyers.  Just a few weeks ago ZH reported the bond auction failures in Russia and Poland.  And I think that was a measley couple hundred billion?



Sun, 04/03/2011 - 17:43 | 1130490 Mr Anderson
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The bond auction failures havn't been talked about enough. The MSM ignored it, the tea party groups ignored it.


And if there is no QE 2.1 2.5 or 3.0

Who the devil will buy it?


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 17:43 | 1130491 Mr Anderson
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The bond auction failures havn't been talked about enough. The MSM ignored it, the tea party groups ignored it.


And if there is no QE 2.1 2.5 or 3.0

Who the devil will buy it?


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 14:20 | 1130019 Sudden Debt
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You missed the most important:

He wants older people who are wealthy to pay more out of pocket for their health care.


Pure communisme. If you got money, you have to spend it. If you don't got money, you'll get it for free.

Where's the incentive to work?

I might be European but I grew up with the American dream where you could become rich by working hard and using your brains.

I also did things where everybody used to say it was to risky, I worked to hard, I was a capitalist...

And now that I've got money, I mostly hear envy and reasons why I should give away more of my money.

This kind of shit really pisses me off!

Without a incentive to work hard, it's also impossible for new starters to get to that goal. If your at the bottom, you'll never be able to crawl out of it thanks to this system. And if you have money, you have to fight to keep it.

Everybody loses with these kind of systems.

Only losers with nothing who "hope" to get out of their missery support this crap but don't realise it's because of a system like that that they are in this kind of mess where they can't get out.




Be consistent!

And by that I mean:

You want stuff, you want to become rich = Capitalisme

You want everything for free and work less = Socialisme



Sun, 04/03/2011 - 15:34 | 1130201 Pepe
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is "capitalisme" french?

I would say: You want to keep everything in the hands of a few and make everyone work their ass off?: Capitalism

You want to make everyone work as slaves and feed them a few slogans to make them feel better?: Socialism

You want to be what you were created to be: a Human being? Then figure out something new and Radical

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 22:15 | 1131074 malek
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Your rant makes no sense, unless you're whining over the "loss" of free healthcare as a senior.
You are paying 1.45% (or 2.9% if self-employed) of your income on Medicare, which is clearly money down the drain for a Generation X-er or younger, but otherwise what exactly lowers your incentive to work? And save, so you can pay for your own costs in retirement?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:15 | 1129785 ZackAttack
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Nice trick, to move all that private bank debt onto public balance sheets, then, once that's complete, demand austerity.

OK, here you go:

- End all 3 wars tomorrow. There's $500b over the next decade.

- Cut the F-35 program. There's nearly $400b.

- Cut off the GSEs and putback every non-qualifying piece of mortgage paper onto the selling bank. There's $500b over the next 5 years.

- Shut down the DHS. $40b annually, going to $60b, for a total of two arrests. There's another $500b.

There, that was easy. It took 5 minutes to find half the spending cuts they need, and the only people it pisses off are bankers and defense contractors.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:32 | 1129815 Ace Ventura
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But...but...Zaaaack....if you do all that wanton 'irresponsible cutting', think of all the jobs you'll be destroying? Why do you hate America? Why must the chilrenz suffer because of your ideas? Dont you care? /sarc

Dude, if that sort of stuff was pushed at high enough levels, I have no doubt the JFK Treatment would be administered accordingly. Still, you're absolutely right of course.


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:48 | 1129843 Michael
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Why would anyone Not hate what America has become?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:52 | 1129854 Piranhanoia
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I wonder if the people that have these kinds of jobs would trade for?  Zach only cut the jobs regarding busy work and killing.  The reduction to the online porn alone would clear up a lot of bandwidth

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 13:11 | 1129885 ExploitTheMarket
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+4 Trillion... only 71 Trillion more to go...

It’s Official: Ron Paul Can Beat Obama in 2012

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 17:28 | 1130453 goldfish1
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End corporate welfare:

General Electric paid no tax at all in America last year and even managed to get a $3.2billion ‘rebate’ from the government.

The utilities giant allocated just 7.4 per cent of its $5.1billion U.S. profits in tax - around a third of what others companies its size are paying.

But through a complex series of measures GE, which is America's largest company, will not even have to hand that over.

Read more:
Sun, 04/03/2011 - 18:59 | 1130616 WonderDawg
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"End all 3 wars tomorrow. There's $500b over the next decade."

You have a source for that number? I would have thought it would be higher.


"Cut off the GSEs and putback every non-qualifying piece of mortgage paper onto the selling bank. There's $500b over the next 5 years."

Again, source? I'm just using back of the envelope numbers, but I would think it's closer to 3 trillion than 500b, and where do you get 5 years?

Perhaps spending more than 5 minutes would give you the chance to come up with some real numbers, and they're much bigger than the numbers you casually bounced out there.



Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:17 | 1129790 Long-John-Silver
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This amounts to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. This economic ship of state is flooding with debt faster than the tax payers and pump it out.  It's slipping by the bow and nothing will or can be done. All we can do is be ready for the day that we become Zimbabwe II.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:27 | 1129807 SparkyvonBellagio
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Brickerbracker Firecracker Sis Boom Bah

Zimbabwe, ZimbabUSA Rah Rah Rah!

Will the criminal Bankers blow those annoying Vuvuzelas!


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:21 | 1129797 John Law Lives
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This is pre-election year posturing.  The GOP is trying to paint Obama as a big spending liberal.  In fact, there is no way either party has the guts to make deep and significant cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Defense.  No way.

The US will never produce another balanced budget, and the great R-E-S-E-T button will get pressed.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 13:00 | 1129870 ArmchairRevolut...
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"there is no way either party has the guts to make deep and significant cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Defense"

It is not about guts. Both parties are part of the kleptocracy. It is about who gets to do the stealing.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 14:19 | 1130025 themiestro
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Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:26 | 1129798 Number 156
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Ok, riddle me this Batman, where are they going to find this kind of money unless they are willing to cut entitlements?  Or, are they going to default on interest payments? Military spending?  Heck, even if they ended all these sacred cows, you still wont get there.

The fat lady is making her way to the poduim....

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 15:36 | 1130207 cossack55
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I always did enjoy Kate Smith's rendition of "God Bless America".

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:23 | 1129801 disabledvet
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qstion isn't "qe 3?" but "can they get away with it?"  b4 "islamic tinderbox" (predictable) and "God annihilates Japan" (not predictable at all) i said "reckoning" and "time to die."  specifically "raise cash" 6 weeks ago--anticipation of "war fact" with hapless response. WRONG! new data means new views:  qe 3 can be done--much depends however with "Libya."  that's WMD's on Europe's doorstep in hands of total looney in K-daff and an amazing "eh, whatever" response.  that's tmptation for him.  even that seems deal-able tho due to "wrath of Japanese God."  in short "fed can monetize this war" for forseeable future (generational-20 years) which in it's own right can create continued albeit anemic recovery.  should prez give "The Hamm" the go i see such leadership creating a potentially "re-electable recovery."  shall see.  btw--sorry for bad typing--thumb crushed by evil fed ex trailer.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:25 | 1129804 Hulk
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The children are definitely in charge, reminds me of the star trek episode "and the children shall lead" Roddenberry was way ahead of his time...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:48 | 1129846 nmewn
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Bonk bonk on the head...bonk bonk...LOL.

"Entitlement" spending is the problem that needs addressed.

Anyone can dispute the source of the link...but the numbers are very real...but it's not all bad I guess;

"Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job."

Can't see how this equates to more "bang for the buck" though ;-) 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 14:25 | 1130041 A Nanny Moose
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Nice link. I always thought it odd that our postal monopoly deemed it necessary to fund Lance Armstrong's early TdF victories to the tune of ~$40 million, with questionable revenue results...for the agency that is.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 19:58 | 1130768 nmewn
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Hadn't heard about that one, not surprised.

Of course they throw money around as if it wasn't theirs to throw around...oh's not ;-)

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:30 | 1129809 digalert
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Just bitchin, all of CONgress giving public lip service while doing bankster Lewinsky's behind the scene. Meanwhile Barama will officially announce that he wants to be prez (again) in 2012 and 2016 and...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:31 | 1129811 cxl9
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Silliness. Federal government spending will never be reduced because there is no mechanism by which it can be reduced, and the numbers are simply too vast. At most, the rate of spending acceleration will occasionally flatten before resuming its inevitable upward trajectory. Until the final, spectacular collapse of course. Then we wind up and start all over again. But that is 20 or 30 years away at least.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:38 | 1129821 Ace Ventura
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Not gonna make it to 20 years before we start crossing interstellar numbers on the debt load. Trillions will seem like hundreds. Start thinking quintillions and you'll be closer than you probably think. Unless of course the 'RESET' button gets pressed....which I believe will be the case....long before then.


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:42 | 1129829 John Law Lives
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<<<  Unless of course the 'RESET' button gets pressed....which I believe will be the case....long before then.  >>>


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 13:21 | 1129896 cxl9
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In the saner world of yesterday, I would agree with you. But these are very different times we're living in.

* Coordinated, centrally-planned global economy.

* Bond market price fixing.

* Vastly more powerful and expansive central governments.

* Widespread practice of ignoring laws and Contitutional limits.

* Expanding and more sophisticated methods of population control.

Yes, I do believe we're headed for a crash of epic scale, but it is a long way off. They will kick this can further down the road than anyone would have imagined possible. We have decades to go, not months.


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 14:27 | 1130042 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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Totally agree.  The Elites have established a system allowing them to move any unpayable debt onto the backs of any taxpayers, anywhere on earth.  Mathematically it can go on until all earning power is consumed by the taxes required to service the debts. 

Meanwhile the ability to run the printing press allows the elites to conficate all the (paper) savings of all of the citizens of the world. 

Humans are not known for thinking or taking action until the alternatives become too painful, and even then the choice of "think or die" is a crapshoot.  As angry as we ZH'ers are, we are decidedly in the minority.

One exception this time around could be that the elites are, for the most part, a bunch of group-thinkers (this was covered in an earlier ZH post a few months back) who genuinely believe they are genuises.  Jim Sinclair was in Davos trying to talk to the intellectuals and central bankers about a Gold Standard and the thing he noticed was that no one wanted to talk about it because no one really knew what it was. The idea of basing money on an object wasn't something they disagreed with, it was something that just seemed like a bizzare relic of the past that must have been abandoned for a good reason, otherwise we'd still have it.


Our elites appear to be people who have no concept of a monetary system outside of various fiat monies all valued against the fiat US dollar.  If the US dollar starts to shit the bed, our elites may honestly not know how to understand what is happening and what it means.  Their status as elites will convince them that stubbornly clinging to business as usual is the right thing to do, since the people then screaming the loudest will all be poor.

That would be the uncontrolled collapse scenario, and it would be sheer terror for all involved.  On the other hand, at least it would be interesting...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 14:56 | 1130121 SilverFiend
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For some of us it would be sheer delight.  Uncontrollable collapse that is.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 16:35 | 1130325 r101958
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I guess some here think that other countries will want to continue to fund our profligate lifestyle in perpetuity ('a few more decades'), all at the expense of their own people. I respectfully disagree and think their patience will wear thin much more quickly.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 19:15 | 1130656 WonderDawg
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There you go. That's the kicker, and the one really significant variable that tends to get overlooked. When enough people get pissed off enough, there will be change. Catastrophic change, probably, but I don't see this going on for decades. I'm in the camp that thinks we can time it in months or maybe a couple of years, max. The collective social mood (globally) is moving with celerity toward the pessimistic end of the spectrum. That's my conviction, so I'm making my preparations for that scenario. If I'm wrong, well, I won't have to buy rice or beans for a while.


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:39 | 1129828 cossack55
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"But that is 20 or 30 months away at most". Fixed it for ya. YW.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:33 | 1129812 Matte_Black
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We are so fucked. Historians will surely call ours the Age of Delusion. Is there something in the fucking water?

It's as if our political and economic choices (as if there is a difference) boil down to a flip of a coin upon which is imprinted the leering face of stark raving madness.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:34 | 1129814 Hulk
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Apparently fluoride is the culprit...eq to roman lead.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 13:00 | 1129869 kaiserhoff
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Pseudo estrogen in the Potomac River, for reals.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 18:27 | 1130561 Hulk
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Used to be signs all along the potomac, in DC, stating that the water is polluted and not to be touched...

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 13:08 | 1129883 Matte_Black
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Time again to vote

Flip the coin of liberty

what the fuck? both heads.



Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:33 | 1129816 Mr. Anonymous
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" . . . the GOP's Paul Ryan is expected to announce a whopper of a 2012 budget, one which trims a record $4 trillion in spending over the next 10 years. What this means is that the GOP is about do away with Obama's health care "revolution" and things are about to go back to the way they were."


The GOP's gonna start REALLY cutting in 2012, you just wait and see.   For reals, this time.  Just vote us some more power, we'll get it right.  You just watch.  Give me a fucking break, Tyler.  This is just political grandstanding.


I thought you were better than this.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:39 | 1129825 John Law Lives
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<<<  This is just political grandstanding. >>>

Agreed.  The GOP controlled the White House and Congress for 6 years with G.W. Bush. We got two wars and significant budget deficits.

There is ZERO chance that either party will make deep and significant cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.  This is posturing.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:44 | 1129835 Ace Ventura
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My guess is TD isn't pom-pom-ing Paul Ryan or the GOP. Merely reporting what the man is proposing. I don't think there is one reader here on ZH who actually believes Ryan's proposal will ever see actual implementation. Everyone here knows the 2012 campaign cycle is getting cranked up, so with each passing week we'll hear more of what we want to hear from the District of Criminals.

The only way any of this ever changes for the better is when 1776 Episode II goes live. All else is just political theatre. IMHO that is. Hope I'm wrong.


Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:58 | 1129865 cossack55
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Too right. By the time October 2012 gets here the Repubs will claim to want to cut $400 Trillion in 10 years and the Dems will propose unionizing the unemployed.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 15:05 | 1130152 Mr. Anonymous
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Pretty much.  For the GOP, it's more serious, though.  To my ardent Republican friends geeked up on Tea Party tea leading into the election, I said, 'Prepare to be very disappointed'.  It's happening right now, this pathetic little social-program targeted cuts, nothing nearly like the Tea Partiers were expecting.  So, in order to control their right flank, the GOP will promise 'really really big cuts this time, you just gotta vote us some more power.  Then you watch and see.'  Of course, they'll trim out some more minor Lefty stuff, a little window dressing for their base, but leave almost everything significant in place, including the world's most bloated defense budget. 


We do need to take 1776 live.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 15:39 | 1130211 cossack55
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I would prefer the French 1789 route.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 16:22 | 1130294 Mr. Anonymous
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Ah, you little tease.

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