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PeterSchump's picture

"Some governments are trying to limit the number of vitamin D tests ordered by doctors"


Bwaaahaaahaaahaaa!  Single payer makes you free! (Arbeit macht frei! auch?)

chindit13's picture

"If I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself"

-Eubie Blake on his 100th birthday

Bob's picture

Nice piece, Leo!  Both moving and edifying, a wonderful and rare combination of qualities. 

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. 

PhattyBuoy's picture

Leo - I was in Ontario recently, & saw the strangest thing. Went into a Beckers store (711 equivalent), and walked to the check out counter to pay for an item. The expansive wall area behind the clerk at the register was completely void of any advertising and no items were displayed for sale. Upon closer inspection, I noticed a wall of opaque compartments, where one would normally find cigarette & tobacco products. In a retail store, this is usually a coveted area to display items for sale, and is always reserved for tobacco products & like. All the Beckers retail stores were like this. I asked the clerk "where are the cigarettes". She said, "we are not allowed by law to display cigarette or tobacco products to the public". Incredulously, I said "what"?

The Ontario (state) government does not allow retail vendors to display "harmful /addictive" retail products for sale in their retail stores. The products are still there, just concealed out of sight in opaque, non-descript compartments. The clerk took 3 minutes to find the tobacco product I desired, because she had to read the text on compartment to find the item, as no visual aid is provided. It is one of the more bizarre things I have (never) seen in a retail store.

I am thinking to myself, how do you survive as a retailer in Ontario, if you cannot display the items that you are selling? Only in Canada ...

hedgeless_horseman's picture

If we just have more laws to protect us, then we will be safe.

The Alarmist's picture

I would have thought that 1-2k IUs was within reasonable, but isn't 15k running the risk of toxicity?


gwar5's picture

Lifestyle changes and prevention are overrated in cost savings. I wish they weren't, but they are.

As a physician, I know that people will always die and 80% of the cost of health care is at the end of life, whether it's a car accident with major intervention or chronic illness and slow decline. Chronic illness costs more but is offset by the fact they don't live as long, so there you go.

If we could genetically engineer humans to be disease free, they would still die and attempts at prolonging life will still cost 80% of the health care money.

If people want to work hard, plan ahead, to save their money so they can spend it to live longer that is their choice. Rationing is politically arbitrary and Soviet-like. People should choose, not the state.

Shiznit Diggity's picture

Your math is specious. I don't disagree that end-of-life care would account for 80% of healthcare expenditures regardless of the prevalence of healthy lifestyles and prevention but healthy lifestyles and prevention reduce total healthcare expenditures, so the 80% would be a smaller number in absolute terms.

Leo Kolivakis's picture

"Lifestyle changes and prevention are overrated in cost savings. I wish they weren't, but they are."

Agreed to a point, but you can't possibly tell me the obesity epidemic which started in the US and is now spreading rapidly across the globe isn't preventable and worth tackling. We do not allow people to smoke in public places but we allow them to eat absolute garbage which is cheap, but ends up costing society billions in healthcare costs.

Conrad Murray's picture

But, but, I spent 90% of my life trying to keep the hamster wheel spinning.  Now that I'm old and decrepit I finally realized it was a waste and I haven't yet lived.  You have to pay for my stupidity.  It's not fair that I have to die, it's not fair!!!!

robertocarlos's picture

So that's why milk is so expensive in Canada. They are trying to kill us.

Babalooee's picture

Good points Leo. Garbage stocks are nothing compared to the garbage people eat. Too bad about dairy, it's often the tailings pond of the pesticide chain.

kaiserhoff's picture

That's odd.  I thought the Canadian diet consisted of coffee, donuts, and high octane beer.  Must be the crowd I hang with.

Canadian chicks seem to actually like men, as do Europeans (except Russians) and Ozzie gulls.  If you could get that in the milk, I'd take another look at those Chinese solars. 

i.pagnottella's picture

Hello Leo, I was born in Canada and grew up there, now I live in Italy. I remember we were all bloated when we lived in Canada, I think the meat is full of hormones or something. the Mediterranean countries are totally corrupt but the people are healthier it's true. I wanted to ask  you, don't you think a good investment would be farmland in Canada? it's a lot less polluted the Europe, and Canada isn't as bankrupt as the Euro zone...

billwilson's picture

On vitamin D, why test levels? It makes no sense. Just get everyone to take supplements.As far as we know there is no downside to Vitamin D supplements, so just atke them and save on the cost of a useless test that only makes money for the testing companies.


Shiznit Diggity's picture

Vitamin D is fat soluble, which means it's stored in the body. Taking too much of it can be toxic, but you'd have to take megadoses to be at risk. I take 5,000 IU daily. Leo's dosage of 20,000 IU is probably also safe but if I were him I'd have my blood tested annually to be sure.

Gunther's picture

Vitamin D is fat soluble and almost not water soluble.

That means in milk it goes into the fat that get skimmed as butter or added back again.

Few years ago german nutrition Chemist Udo Pollmer wrote a book "Getting sick by eating heath food" (German)


There he stated that in North American dairies the vitamin D is added before skimming the milk. In one small dairy they forgot to stir after adding the vitamin and few customers who got a heavy overdose died.

Adding vitamin D before skimming the milk has another aspect: The Vitamin ends up in the butter!

The vitamin D from the butter transports calcium into the body what has to go somewhere. It looks like too much calcium clogs the arteries.

On a side note, in Germany there is no vitamin D added to the milk (and butter).

To get the proper amount of Vitamin D I try to get sunlight if possible.

Deflation's picture

I'm so tired of all these health-safety Nazi's that think they should manipulate people's diets.  Stop putting poison in the food to start with, and it won't need to be micromanaged. Please die Communist Gustapo Scum.

saladbarbeef's picture

No, Canada is a strange country because it's Canada.

Mercury's picture

Milk is specifically designed to turn a 200 pound baby cow into a 400 pound baby cow in like a week and a half. Not exactly a diet food for humans. We're talking saturated, heart clogging butter fat here.  Most Americans (and a lot of Canadians) should have enough *ahem* surface area to absorb the necessary amount of vitamin D from sunlight.  Put down the Ben & Jerry's, get off your fat asses and go outside once in a while.

Besides, how come all those lactose intolerant Asians are so skinny? (RoboTrader, throw us a bone here please).

blacksheep's picture

There are no baby cows. A cow is an adult female cattle that has had a calf.

I do agree that people need to get out in the sun more often. The fear of skin cancer causes many people to cover up or wear sunscreen. Skin cancer has been increasing as sunscreen use has been increasing, which makes me wonder if it might be causing it.

robertocarlos's picture

NA Asians are getting pretty fat.

billwilson's picture

WRONG! For much of the year (October to March) sunlight will not provide enough Vitamin D (it is too low in the sky for those in Canada and the Northern Tier of the US). This is especially true for those with darker skin - afterall it appears that white skin was an adaptation related to living in far northern climes.

masterinchancery's picture

Vitamin D3 in large quantities seems to have many beneficial effects, even more so in a dank climate like canuckland.

masterinchancery's picture

And the human body seems to get worse at making D as it ages, so go for 2000 iud minimum.

granolageek's picture

I hope the numbers you use for trading aren't that sloppy. A calf can gain 3-4 lbs/day max, so 40-80 in a week and a half yes, 200-400, not in this universe.

Mercury's picture

Whatever. 40-80lbs. weight gain in a week and a half doesn't exactly = diet food either.

Azannoth's picture

There where some studies made, that show a relation with milk consumption and cancer so idk about milk

Dollar Bill Hiccup's picture

Good job Leo. Quality of life is not determined solely by material objects. Health is certainly taken for granted. The cult of materialism makes you a cog in the machine. Problem number one. The second problem is, even if you can't escape the machine, no one really takes the time to oil you unless you take it upon yourself ...

hedgeless_horseman's picture

The Family Cow as a Measure of Wealth


The family cow has historically been a family's single biggest store of wealth. Until quite recently, in places like Ireland and Texas, cattle were the primary measure of wealth even for chieftains and barons. Some say that cattle still are the only measure of real wealth. Is anyone going to argue that wealth is better stored in Federal Reserve Notes, pieces of paper representing a debt owed to a private bank by a government's treasury and guaranteed solely by taxing authority? Unlike fiat currency, a milk cow produces wealth. The dollar destroys wealth, having lost more than 95% of its purchasing power since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1912.

Many people believe that raw, unpasteurized milk, has health benefits beyond that of the commercial milk available in stores. All I know is that raw milk tastes better, and our kids will not drink the stuff from the store. Our one milking shorthorn easily keeps her calf plus 7 teenage boys, 6 adults, 4 dogs, and dozens of chickens very well fed, with plenty left over for cheese.