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9/11 truth is a useless issue. It doesn't matter whether the government actively staged or was incapable of preventing the attacks. Either way, the government is a useless entity.
In fact, its far more nefarious to have evidence that the government cannot protect you no matter who runs it, than to think that replacing its goons will solve the issue.
Love to see Machiavelli 101 used on the sheeple.
Divide and conquer.
Pigeon holed into a slot just because shit don’t add up.
We must not forget the first lesson in this class is,
Know your enemy!
Perfect profile : on the beach as you fire away on your magnificent Ipad game. You will be the Machiavelli of the animated game on your screen, it's a scream when you can't tell reality from dream.
The majority of people are hard-working and peace-loving.
The government, a party of power-mad parasites with no life skills, needs money to sustain itself.
The government starts trouble so the populace will live in fear and will therefore approve boatloads of wealth transfers from their own pockets to the pockets of those in government, who then pay off their predatory enablers in big business with laws allowing them to rape and pillage the populace.
The populace will then cry "thievery", at which time the government will break into their house, beat them up, and steal all their money, to teach them a lesson about real "thievery". Then the populace is willing to give even more money for "protection" and the cycle goes on and on.
Is that about right?
I was amazed many years ago when it was revealed that the BCCI bank which was being used for "terrorist" funding was also used by the CIA ( or persons employed therein). That there was any interaction between the funds of both these clients of the bank was never investigated, or at least not reported in the public domain.
Actually, NBC news investigated and reported http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVXroOSAqMU&feature=related
Wow, and the Mafia, IBM, and my cousin Joey have used Citibank over the years. I never knew my cousin Joey, as well as Thomas Watson, were Mafia.
Ever see the StarTrek movie where the Klingon gunner is told ro disable the Federation starship with a shot into its engines?
He lets loose one shot and instead of crippling it the whole ship explodes into a zillion burning fragments. He shrugs and says - "Luckey shot."
I've always figured the 911 was a similar 'oops'. They probably figured a few hundred dead and a burned out floor or two in the buildings. About the same carnage as the London bombings or the Spanish rail nombings. Big enough to terrorize, but not wreck the economy, ya know? I can just see them watching on TV and saying: "Son-of-a-bitch! Who knew?" when they collapsed...
were there not a bunch of people arrested becuase they were seen celebrating whe the buildings came down.Only to be released not much later when it transpired that they were agents from another country, normally friendly to the USA.
Have to agree with Jorge for once. It looks like the ATF got caught selling guns to the Mex cartels to further their myth that the cartel gets most of their weapons from USA gun shops. You know these dumb Mexicans could never connect with overseas criminal networks and buy weapons wholesale. Don't worry, Homeland Security is on the job.
To be or not to be a 9/11 conspiracy theorist....that is the question of this debate within the debate. I'm amazed that this piece of current US history is still so passionate. It reminds me of that past debate ..."Who killed JFK?"... History is such a repeat on these enigmatic questions.
Reverting to the debate on 9/11, I don't understand which of the 'political' scenarios the conspiracy people are pointing to, assuming that the hard evidence at the site shows that those structures collapsed as a result of 'extraneous' factors. Here are the options as I see them :
1° The US admin. knew AQ, external terrorist group on their security radar, were planning this coup. They merely profited from it to plant, enhance, damage fall-out subsequently using it to fuel the 'great world terror campaign a la Iraq' with Rumsfeld/Cheney as lead hawks. They may even have given signals to AQ that they didn't take them seriously to make them even more determined to go through with it. Open door policy through false flag of 'nobody would dare do that to us'.
2° They masterminded and stage managed the whole thing. AQ is their surrogate front playing their own NWO game. Which makes Ben Laden a curious monkey now confined to scratching his 'family jewels' somewhere in Kafiristan. A latter day Noriega, double-triple crossed by his ex-paymaster...? Anyways...
3° 9/11 was a 'joint-venture', one off deal, between ideological enemies. A bit like the Stalin-Ribbentrop alliance in 1939. "We scratch each other's backs to carve up Poland. But after that it's ...every man for himself on each side of the divide...and no crossing the red dividing line". (Big pipe dream as history always proves...as in this case study scenario...the USA in this scenario came looking for ex-partner into his very Afghan lair).
4° AQ was/is what it says it is. And the NWO fell a victim of it's own particular hubris. No conspiracy theory. Thereby being obliged to react massively, feeding the confrontational spiral, like a maddened Caesar defending his legions. As for the proof of abnormal structural failure...it's not linked to spec-ops type dirty games.
I'd don't see any other scenarios. I'd love to know which one the 'Guy Fawkes' aficionados are pointing to.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh..... those days before I took the red pill. Project Mayhem is alive in my heart and soul now.... they're going downhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HII6prY06JQ
"Roll out those lazy crazy hazy days of summer
those days of soda and pretzel and beer
roll out those lazy crazy hazy days of summer
you'll wish that summer could always be here"
GW - ever read the book The Watchers - The Rise of America's Surveillance State? Talks about Army operation Able Danger where in the early days of the internet an Army team found proof of foreign terrorist cells were in the US and were operational, not just sleeping. Armed with this critical information the leader of Able Danger was ordered to destroy all of the information or face charges. Link to wikipedai page on able danger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger
Good time to look in to one of these jobs maybe
Kratman on 31-Echoz gone wild.
I agree that a lot of "terrorist busts" are, considering the hype surrounding them, bullshit...as an example, the 20 year Saudi arrested in Lubbock, Texas. Yes, he was obtaining materials that no doubt, were likely intended to manufacture a reasonably small (15 lbs.) quantity of Picric Acid. Picric Acid is a high explosive that has a higher velocity than TNT (the 1.0 standard velocities of explosives are ranked by), and is very brissant (shattering effect). But, his intended targets....nuclear plants and dams...give me a break! First, trying to sneak in 15 lbs, of explosives into a nuclear plant is virtually impossible. One, you would have to work there just to have access, get through the multi-cell security system, and then plant your explosives. There is no access to the core of an operating nuclear plant.....you would die from neutron bombardment...and say you are the Jihad type and do not mind dying, well, the core access portals are electrically interlocked from the control room Forget it. Most every critical system outside the core is redundant, and to make a highly brissant explosive do its work, it either has to be dimensionally shaped, or is has to be tamped. Dams....dams are massive structures, 15 lbs, of Picric Acid is not going to do anything against such structures. Ok...he also wanted to do malls and stuff...yes, 15 lbs. of PA would be devastating in those circumstances, especially if wrapped with a shrapnel-producing material. This guy desreves to be wrapped up....not because he did reasearch on explosives on the Internet (legal) not because he bought the binary materials (Sulphuric acid, phenol, etc) - legal, but because of his writings of what he intended to do with it. The totality of the evidence...all the fore mention put together, is his death knell. What is odd to me is why he did not manufacture his own acids...easy to do, and use Aspirins instead of phenol. Then, if he had kept his ravings off his Facebook page, he probably would have gone undetected...luckily, he did not. But, my point is how the powers-that-be champion the capture of a young fool who made himself so obvious, a freight company caught him.
That is why the terrorists need "our" help to succeed: They are retarded snot-rollers and navel-defluffers the lot of them!
Why piss about with shitty home-cooked explosives and even more dodgy improvised detonators when one can relatively easily obtain a license and buy the real stuff, that works?
Here in Denmark it is a weeks course, costing about DKK 30,000 or you could join the home defense and they will teach you demolition for free - which can then be turned into a license on request for a small fee.
Left to their own, "the underpant bomber", the "basmati flour bombing" and the doctors who were too retarded to use O2 or NO2 in their "explosive petrol mix" at Manchester Airport is about the pinnacle of achievement (The doctors would have killed more infidels in their day-job with such a limited knowledge of Chemistry that they displayed as terrorists).
All of the damn terrorist were "here" because "we" let them in. Not a single one was an illegal immigrant. It is not too far to imagine, imo, that those that succeeded did so because they got help. There would be no "war on terrorism" and no "anti-terror" laws if we did not have decent terrorists to demonstrate the need for such draconian law enforcement. Our government is against us - and we are paying for it too!
'Dams....dams are massive structures'
Are you stoned?
Its ok if you are... just admit it.
BTW...kiss my fucking ass, pussy.
Thought i saw a kindred spirit ,maaaannn, it was saturday night
No need for the bad vibes.
ROTFLMAO - Thanks
Not stoned, just making sure the kids here understand reality.
GW, never under estimate a ZH viewer/poster.
my-tray-ah is not going to happen. Citing yesterdays news will not build followers. Kindly elaborate on your article posting.
I've seen Al Qaeda. I've seen the Taliban. We are much worse than Al Qaeda and The Taliban. Remember John Lithgow's character in Cliffhanger the movie: "Kill a few dozen, you're a mass murderer, kill thousands and you're a conqueror."
A lot of bullshit with a lot of bogus sources.
Got this from the internet, so it must be true.....
"The blogger known as 'George Washington' has a degree in Sophistry from Alex Jones College of Advanced International Fantasies."
See you in a couple of months, this won't be here to discuss the fact, enjoy where you live
good work GW
but you're still talking how
TPTB is not actionable information
If I named names, would anyone prosecute?
No they wouldn't George.
But justice would eventually be served. Sorry about that.
If I may add to your cynical theme:
Prosecuting a criminal complaint in this matter does not preclude the possibility that a lowly District judge will dismiss the complaint as frivolous and without merit.
For the life of me, I can't understand what this rambling lunatic (who has somehow adopted the name of George Washington, a warrior who shared very few of his values) is still doing on Zero Hedge.
from what i hear, the original gw wasn't just a warrior. he was a pretty good peaceior too.
"For the life of me, I can't understand what this rambling lunatic (who has somehow adopted the name of George Washington, a warrior who shared very few of his values) is still doing on Zero Hedge."
Thought about that too.
The more I think about it, it's just to drive traffic to his obscure website.
But...free speech is free speech...(and free advertisement...LOL) in the end, I have no problem with it.
Nothing is free, everything has a cost kid.
My least favorite story of the day. Guess what US, Canuck and Brit snowflakes are going to be killed by goat herders. Mainly because the "enemy" know how to live with out power.
Bang bang bang ....let's see what suburbanaite shit lives long enough shall we...can't be overseas without a letter back home. Used to sell this crap for Oracle, Microsoft and Apple. Probably kiled more people while selling crap before serving as 'engineering'. I recommend anything that you can use up close.
Yeah, I junked you as "just another troll" - typical non-speller with no concept that a lack of proofreading skills marks you as an instant idiot at best. "Kiled more people" ... almost as poor as using "there" for "their" which seems to be the most common characteristic of late.
I don't get it nmewn. You are different then what I had grown to love.
Rambling lunatic? I'm disappointed.
Sometimes, as in love and in life, there is disappointment.
For you I will explain...because we were once in love.
Truthers have lost all credibility because they themselves did not police their own "lunatics" within their cadre.
Anyone who looked for or who presented evidence of, what was being said outside it's core meme of "it's a conspiracy" is/was criticized, called a plant or an idiot...without any presentation to back it up.
Thus, the moonbats within were protected, instead of being challenged by other truthers to "put up or shut up" for the larger cause of credibility which should be the ultimate goal of any investigation.
It has become a group think hodgepodge of competing theories...the damage donewas not done by those outside the cadre looking in on it to see if there was any there there (I was one at one point, surprise...LOL)...it came from within by the cadre itself by not keeping a watchful eye on actual evidence, the running with and the protection of, every story that came across the transom.
Makes for great yellow journalism...not much on facts though...similar to the Gulf seabed collapsing, exposing magma to cool seawater and the earth splitting in half...or fish kills in NJ when the gulfstream swings weatward around NC...LOL.
Now comes accountability for what has been produced.
Know this my love, what we once shared will always be a part of me ;-)
"Truthers have lost all credibility because they themselves did not police their own "lunatics" within their cadre."
I know my opinion is just that, an opinion, and one of many, but this cat has a point...
GW, always a good read, generally contains "he said, she said" qualities. To me, it is thought provoking, but I wouldn't count it as the gospel i'd point anyone to for an awakening to today's situation because it lacks credibility in the average person's eyes. If there were a cohesive movement aimed at alerting the masses to their true, inherent potential for REAL FREEDOM, this method of communication is mainly caustic, and would have to be avoided for mass consumption. It tends toward driving people further into their prevailing ideologies, I've passed his articles around and say this from experience. To someone informed, GW's writings are mosty "matter of fact" in that the informed can acknowledge that the order of things is twisted and connect the dots, but "normal people" do not even see that things are twisted beyond the notion that "something ain't right". What meaningful impact can these writings have if all they serve to do is reveal that we, the informed, have been right all along, when we already know, that what we know to be true, is indeed true? Credibility for any movement is important and NMEWN is merely pointing out that it should be held above all things in the pursuit of revealing the ugly truth and the alternative. I don't know NMEWN's intentions, but I hope that the truth becomes know by all and everyone realizes that REAL FREEDOM is theirs alone and doesn't come from food-stamps, government security blankets, or social "security". The packaging of that message would have to be well thought out to gain broad consent. NMEWN has a valid point and his use of words should not be allowed to foster doubt towards it.
I imagine a lot of the competing theories were "manufactured" - i.e., truth is never in a vacuum. It's up to the People to listen, then discern. Then listen again.
Deeply appreciate the response. For some reason my brain couldn't make it that far. Merci, mon amour. ;-)
Shhh...It's alright, nous parlerons de cela plus mon amour ;-)
So, ODummer is a tool. Thank you for proving it, GW.
(Like I needed help.)
LOL - it was such a secret
we are one shape shifting reptilian handing out ameros at roswell away from every conspiracy theory known to man being proven true
<HELP> for explanation
First, go watch Fight Club 10 times........ then come back for further instructions
"The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ‘just to keep people frightened’."
"The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ‘just to keep people frightened’."
So sayeth George Orwell in 1984. It must have appealed to TPTB. Too bad we have the internets.
the film "brazil", about 1985, made similar points. the original release more so than the director's cut. de niro wields a mean yankee screwdriver.
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